I do not understand why relic and data sites ever dropped differing levels of loot. One is not easier than the other. They have the exact same risk.

I suspect the idea was just to make them have different loot, because variety is interesting. But as soon as you make the loot different, market forces will cause one kind of site to become more valuable than the other.

Marech.

Also as I have been suggesting since the change there must be some form of danger in Data and Relic sites, this would also help to make the sites valuable again as not all players would make it out with there loot, it doesn't need to be in the form of rats but some sort of danger and chance of losing the ship needs to be there, the sleeper sites were a good example of how to make a profitable sites with mostly environmental dangers.

I'm all for changes like this that increase the demand on player ability and potentially harm them if mistakes are made.
As long as they're fair.

An alarm based Defensive Subsystem inside the hacking UI was one of the initial goals that had to be dropped due to time constraints, but it's something I would like to see revisited in the future.
A relic based alternative is something I would like to do in tandem with that change.

Note: The similarities of the Data and Relic hacking game are known, as is the Cargo Scanning/Cherry Picking of containers.
Both of these are outside the scope of my free time right now however but are not forgotten.

Fly safe,
CCP RedDawn

The danger in the sites largely comes from other players. This is a good thing.

Adding some environmental damage is a bad idea, since you just limit what ships the hunters can use.

Regarding relic sites, why not include in the loot tables the "texts" that can be found from other PvE activity that describes the various histories of the factions in New Eden? Again to add flavor and further enhance the lore.(...)Actually, why am I hacking a relic site? Should I not be unearthing that which was lost and forgotten? DO not take away from the game, add to it and iterate...

Now, lets think about the veterans. Lets consider those that have been playing for more than five plus years. Time to make some elements of exploration hard again please.

There was a time what exploration was hard with a high barrier for entry. This kept loot values high. YOu had to choose how far you where going to invest in the profession. There was flavor. Over time changes where made that reduced the "busy" work. This was good. Odyssey then removed the barrier for entry. OK. Everyone can explore. Goal obtained.

Note: The similarities of the Data and Relic hacking game are known, as is the Cargo Scanning/Cherry Picking of containers.

Well, as a dedicated explorer I don-¦t care too much about the content of loot - I always expect nothing and I never would use a cargo scanner for cherry picking, because I would miss the excitement of the unexpected

Relic sites are actually salvaging sites, you don't discover anything there.

They did. Sleepers sites are for more experienced players.

I agree with you here, but loot from sites is used in economy, for example rigs are more usefull now (it's good for everybody). NPC buy orders make "blue loot" from sleepers site more or less stable (just depend how many you found them).

I'm all for changes like this that increase the demand on player ability and potentially harm them if mistakes are made.
As long as they're fair.

An alarm based Defensive Subsystem inside the hacking UI was one of the initial goals that had to be dropped due to time constraints, but it's something I would like to see revisited in the future.
A relic based alternative is something I would like to do in tandem with that change.

The intention of this change is to hopefully boost the overall value of all Data sites, increase the manufacturing of Storyline modules, increase the demand for Cosmos site blueprints and increase the value of the most commonly dropped building materials.

CCP RedDawn

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Why not develop procedural based sites? Something that cannot be documented and standard operating procedures created for.

I'm all for changes like this that increase the demand on player ability and potentially harm them if mistakes are made.
As long as they're fair.

An alarm based Defensive Subsystem inside the hacking UI was one of the initial goals that had to be dropped due to time constraints, but it's something I would like to see revisited in the future.
A relic based alternative is something I would like to do in tandem with that change.

I'm going to use this thread to shamelessly restate an old annoyance of mine: Restoration Nodes.
I am no longer too frustrated with them but only because I have such a specialized fit for Relic sites that I can brute-force through most puzzles involving them, but I still believe their implementation to be bad, and here's why.

This one node is the only one that has no gameplay around it. You simply must attack it straight away or it will overheal other nodes to unholy amounts. Even attacking it right away means taking a hit, 2 if you're using a T1 hacking module, and suffering the heal effect the corresponding number of times. With any other node I can plan around it, decide to use a consumable or hit it right away. This one has no such decision-making, since the effect is way too powerful.

-But muh Virus Supressors!- I hear you cry. These are a slightly different beast, since they don't keep dicking you after their initial effect. Here you do have a real decision: keep exploring with the risk of running into something and not having all your Virus Strength, or lose Coherence to destroy it.

My suggestions on how to change it:
- Make Res. Nodes not heal when you're attacking them. You already take damage from the node itself, no need to also add coherence to the Firewall next to the Core.
- Make restoration nodes be unable to overheal so much. At the moment the cap is somewhere in the vicinity of 400 coherence iirc, if you lower it to a more resonable level, say 1.5x-2x the original coherence of a node, then leaving the Res. Node alive will be just a risk, not a instant loss.


I realize this might be a lot of work and part of you initial design for the minigame that had to be left in an incomplete state. I will also reiterate that I no longer rage so much these things since I found a way around them, but it would be nice to have this particular detail iterated on if you find the time.

If I get around to introducing new flavours of subsystems, I'll be sure to look into the thought of changing the Restoration node to only boost when not being attacked.

??? Well there goes the world wide roaming ghoast site ship fit out the airlock, I tougth they were hard enougth to find already.

* All Ghost sites are now Cosmic Signatures rather than Anomalies.

So for your perusal, I'll list the proposed changes to data sites now.

* Removed all skill books from Relic sites and placed them into Data sites. (Includes Encryption books)
* Removed the more commonly dropped 'non rig-related' blueprints from all the Relic sites. (They will still drop in Data sites)
* Introduced all Cosmos site building materials to all 4 tiers of Data sites. (Info Shard, Com Tower, Mainframe and Databank)
* Increased the drop frequency of the Cosmos sites items that are currently on the Data site loot tables.
* All exploration Ghost Sites now require the use of the Data Analyzer module.
* Halved the drop amount of the most commonly used building materials found in all data sites. (EG: Positron Cords, Electric Conduits etc)
* All Ghost sites are now Cosmic Signatures rather than Anomalies.

Can we have signtaures removed from probe scanner and solar system map? So we can actually feel like exploring and finding something.

What you are referring to is known as the discovery scanner, and it is part of what has helped to kill exploration loot values as well as the feeling of discovery.
It did bring about a good change though as cosmic anomalies used to be hidden until a single scan was done.