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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:36:28 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Wow - Endeavouring to give me advice - Were you the business analyst that convinced CCP to sign off finance on dust and vampires?
Both were good at the time. Not many predicted the economic downturn which did affect CCP as well. Dust, personally I quite liked how it played. Even now, the design and concept of it is very solid. I say even on the level for professional E-sports. If it was updated to also be one of the PS4 release games, how fantastic would that have been? Also, the vampire MMO would have been quite like eve. Smaller, but a devoted playerbase. A true online MMO with a real RPG section to it? I was really waiting. Myself and a group of friends seriously wanted to see what they were going to do. I know many others did as well. Would have been a game that could have been good for the non gamer crowd. Hard to judge without actually having the game.
Dust - CCP trying to compete in a fps market that recycles iteself every year (doomed)
Vampires - Insert comment (Divert core input cash from main income souce being eve and divert cash resources from sustaining core poduct into vampies) (doomed)
Concord Approved Trader
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Marsha Mallow
2643
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Posted - 2015.10.18 00:45:47 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:If only the clock could be turned back on the wisom that was dust and vampires and grand visions never delivered, maybe all this shameless cash grab, milk the playerbase for skins, aurum, sp for exchange and all things horrid and against the core values of the original game would just all be a bad dream.
If only the clock could be turned back from you announcing you had a great arse, me asking for pics or gtfo and you actually sending them >.> Least I think it was you. Reported for cyberbullying btw.
I'm not sure teen vamp fetishists would have gelled well with this lot anyway, and god knows what adult vamp fetishists are like. I would :shudder: but I think some of them are here already. Babbling on about stilletos and tophats and stuff.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Wendrika Hydreiga
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:06:50 -
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I for one welcome our new brain paste fed overlords. With luck, I'll get to be one too! |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
1222
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:14:45 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:If only the clock could be turned back on the wisom that was dust and vampires and grand visions never delivered, maybe all this shameless cash grab, milk the playerbase for skins, aurum, sp for exchange and all things horrid and against the core values of the original game would just all be a bad dream. If only the clock could be turned back from you announcing you had a great arse, me asking for pics or gtfo and you actually sending them >.> Least I think it was you. Reported for cyberbullying btw. I'm not sure teen vamp fetishists would have gelled well with this lot anyway, and god knows what adult vamp fetishists are like. I would :shudder: but I think some of them are here already. Babbling on about stilletos and tophats and stuff.
I assume this isn't directed at me Marsha?
Concord Approved Trader
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Davir Sometaww
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
62
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:23:37 -
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Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:I was outraged at first glance, but after reading the implementation and thinking about it, I don't really see a problem. Skill points aren't being created for $$, they have to be converted from a character that trained them, and at diminishing returns.
While I'm not a fan of the extreme diminishing returns for higher SP characters (SP already mean less to higher SP chars, why such a huge penalty?), and there will be issues that need to be worked out, its not really providing anything that can't already be purchased through the Bazaar. It just sort of streamlines the process and makes CCP some more money in the process, so go for it IMO.
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:25:10 -
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Lol. Protest by logging in and playing the game.
That's not the way to protest.
If you are serious about protesting and want to send a real message to CCP, then the only way to protest is to back up your words by unsubscribing all accounts and not logging in.
Maybe keep one account active to keep your main training, but don't log in.
That's the only way to send CCP a clear, simple message that you don't agree with their direction. Tell them and then back that up with action that has a much better measure of impact. |
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
The Otherworld
131
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:25:32 -
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There are two problems with holding a mass protest against these changes at this stage, regardless of your view on the subject:
1. The referred to post is a concept being floated by CCP to the game's community to ask for their opinions on the subject. It is not slated for release right now.
2. The model can be adjusted to better fit with the demands of players.
Personally I am not entirely against the idea of applying skill points to your own character. Is there really a difference between this and purchasing a character on the Bazaar (a process which also involves a micro-transaction and the acquisition of skill points). I can't support a mass protest against a potential feature which helps to modernise the game. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
615
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Posted - 2015.10.18 02:21:38 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Not many predicted the economic downturn which did affect CCP as well.
Economic downturn killed Dust and Vamps.
Ooohhh kaaayyy... |
v0cal minority
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:18:37 -
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I have flu and CBA to pvp, I'm in, this change is awful |
NFain
Elysian Ascent
Empyreus
154
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:33:24 -
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quite honestly all it's going to do is make eve easier for us and a lot more fun. I'd rather have a lot of people in shiny **** they really don't know how to fly then no people in shiny **** at all.  |
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1111
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Posted - 2015.10.18 04:28:18 -
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Heh, people still think protests mean something.
Leave the game as a protest, otherwise, you're doing nothing.
I watched that silly youtube vid of a crowd shooting a monument with this ominous, building orchestral war music and all i could think was "Zero damage, Leni Riefestahl, you have a lot to answer for in hell."
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
422
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Posted - 2015.10.18 07:19:57 -
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pfff.
just check the numbers.
the prices for those trades are high at start to a place where it gets ridiculous.
rich gankers will benefit the most, the can, getting most required skill in short time.
beyond 50m only the richest players could profit.
not so much the ppl who buy plex from ccp, cause that would cost to much real money.
still, i think too, that this is a bad idea.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Mr RiXter
Unsettled
Unsettled.
21
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Posted - 2015.10.18 09:35:39 -
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Nope it's actually a great idea. |
The Power Broker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.10.18 10:08:23 -
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Another example of the vocal few having a tantrum over something that will assist with keeping new players and possibly bringing more people into the game (like Incana).
If I'm led to believe the numbers are tanking for logins then why wouldn't CCP try and help new player retention?
It has the possibility of reducing PLEX prices..... Check
It will help new players try more things instead of missions..... Check
It should bring more players into Eve and or retain them...... Check
Obviously these are all if's and maybe's but looking at it to me it will mean, I get to afford to PLEX my account, I get more people to either team up with or shoot at with my main and numbers of players will go making CCP more money.
What negative impact does this have on me? None, my main has 80 million sp and I fly the ships I like and want to, which is the main thing isn't it? |
Sam Knob
School Of Applied Pew
2
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Posted - 2015.10.18 10:30:04 -
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I really like the idea although I will have to disagree with some of the reasons other people have mentioned.
Pros:
- It creates an incentive to be active in the game. Say you are working on an important 20 day skill. Instead of just leaving the game for 20 days (because you probably feel like nothing much can be done during those 20 days) you can actively work towards the completion of that skill since earning ISK will allow you to finish it quicker.
- Corps will able to boost their noobs towards the minimum requirements of some fleets, which means they will see content much quicker and immediately become active in the corp.
- Newer players in general are more likely to stay in the game since they can actively work towards their goals. Investing time AND effort into a character makes you less likely to abandon the game imo.
Cons:
- This will (and I am looking at you The Power Broker) much more likely boost PLEX inflation because people will probably see it as a way to finance alts.
Overall I think it will lead to a more active community. |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2015.10.18 10:31:00 -
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I like these changes. Seems to me selling and buying skillpoints is a good way. Many times i was angered by the lack of progress if i started a new char. This has now become obsolete at a small price. I think its a good thing and it will greatly benefit the benevolent forces of the IMPERIVUM. |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
444
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Posted - 2015.10.18 10:55:40 -
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Why protest against something that has existed for who knows how many years now but which comes in a new and better shape?
Again, all these whiners who think that they are entitled to whine for the sake of whining should just go and biomass themselves already before they kill EVE entirely. The game needs to evolve. Badly. Whining bittervet dinosaurs should just do what dinosaurs are good at - go extinct. |
The Power Broker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 11:42:22 -
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Sam Knob wrote:I really like the idea although I will have to disagree with some of the reasons other people have mentioned.
Cons:
- This will (and I am looking at you The Power Broker) much more likely boost PLEX inflation because people will probably see it as a way to finance alts.
Fair point, but I was clear that it's all if's and maybe's as if I could predict the price of PLEX I would be a trillionaire... and I'm not  !
I've seen people mention that they will be putting more PLEX into the market to buy Aurum (which will lower the price) and I've seen people say exactly what you said above so maybe it might just stay the same, meh!
However I think it might be safe to say that we (and many other people here) agree this will be a good thing!
Now lets riot against no release date on those Hello Kitty skins!!!! RRRRAAWWWRR |
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:21:14 -
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Top Guac wrote:Lol. Protest by logging in and playing the game.
That's not the way to protest.
If you are serious about protesting and want to send a real message to CCP, then the only way to protest is to back up your words by unsubscribing all accounts and not logging in.
Maybe keep one account active to keep your main training, but don't log in.
That's the only way to send CCP a clear, simple message that you don't agree with their direction. Tell them and then back that up with action that produces much more meaningful statistics.
I have done just that.
I QUIT DURING INCARNIA. QUIT. SPACEBARBIES AND GREED IS GOOD CAN GO TO HELL FOR REAL.
I set a long skill queue with several cruiser 5s and some other good 5s.
SEE YOU IN A WHILE CCP IF YOU EVER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES.
ILL BE FREAKING PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS FOR THE TWITCH-PVP-NO-1-SEC-SERVER-TICK-TWOTCHY PVP
GOT 5MONTHS LEFT ON SUB. ILL PLAY WARSHIPS TIL XMAS THEN CHECK BACK TO SEE HOW PAY2WIN HAS RUINED GAME
AND IM SICK OF YOU CODDLING CAREBEARS AND NERFING CONTENT CREATORS.
(DO NOT WORRY EVE-O JUST CUZ PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS AND SKILLQUEUE ONLINE I WILL STILL LONG IN TO POST ON FORUMS) |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
101
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:37:40 -
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The Power Broker wrote:
It has the possibility of reducing PLEX prices..... Check
or inflating them further, unless you can reliably predict whether people will pay with more farmed isk or bought plex it's impossible to say
Quote:It will help new players try more things instead of missions..... Check Really ? Having more Skillpoints instantly will change hisec bears playstyle where having more skillpoints over time has failed to do so ?
Quote:It should bring more players into Eve and or retain them...... Check It may keep players away when it gets around that in EvE, not only do you need to pay a subscription up front, but you need to buy X quantity of skillpoints for X amount of RL cash before you can do anything worthwhile. This will be the new perception of many new players if this goes live. So much for the NPE.
Quote:Obviously these are all if's and maybe's You're not kidding. 
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Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:49:22 -
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This SP change just does not matter at all. It's still skill -> nerf -> buff -> nerf -> buff -> repeat. It does not matter that much what you skill today the chance is good that it would be "rebalanced" if it's cool somewhat later again anyway. "Rebalancing" stuff in circle (anybody remembers the old Hurricane or old Drake) is no new content and this SP-injections is no new content either. Now you could just add some tiny "inject tiny SP by Plex" to this loop. Oh noes!  Everybody was already able to get way more SP by buying another char right now. |
Robert Sawyer
The Vendunari
End of Life
75
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Posted - 2015.10.18 13:39:49 -
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I read about it but I don't get what's so bad about it - anybody mind explaining?
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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The Power Broker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:08:40 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:I read about it but I don't get what's so bad about it - anybody mind explaining?
Edit: Ewww, just found out that you can buy SP with Aurum AKA RL money - CCP DO NOT DO THIS.
Just like you can do already with buying PLEX and then purchasing a character in the Bazaar ? |
Lykouleon
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
1655
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:10:35 -
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Ya'll need to calm the **** down.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:15:44 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Ewww, just found out that you can buy SP with Aurum AKA RL money - CCP DO NOT DO THIS.
You are a bit late mate. SP for RL money worked already for years now and is called: Character bazaar. There is so much nerfing and buffing all the time anyway. Skill something that's OP, abuse it until it gets under the nerf hammer, skill something other. Does this matter at all? Catalyst + Mining barge worked years ago and still works. Does this SP injection change anything? Would this decrease content, would this change the donuts in the game? If this flush some fresh Plex into the market I appreciate this. Is there anything serious new to the game?
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4186
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:23:21 -
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Portmanteau wrote:The Power Broker wrote:It should bring more players into Eve and or retain them...... Check It may keep players away when it gets around that in EvE, not only do you need to pay a subscription up front, but you need to buy X quantity of skillpoints for X amount of RL cash before you can do anything worthwhile. This will be the new perception of many new players if this goes live. So much for the NPE. How about this message for new players:
SP are quite useful, but not that important. Don't get all excited about SP and take your time. Because if you're willing to progress slower than usual, after the first 2 months you can play for free for just a couple 100 million ISK a month. Go shoot people in Faction Warfare!
Because one of the possibilities of the new system will be trading SP for ISK for PLEX...
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9303
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:34:07 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
(DO NOT WORRY EVE-O JUST CUZ PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS AND SKILLQUEUE ONLINE I WILL STILL LONG IN TO POST ON FORUMS)
THANK GOD FOR SMALL MIRACLES
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
108
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:38:14 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Portmanteau wrote:The Power Broker wrote:It should bring more players into Eve and or retain them...... Check It may keep players away when it gets around that in EvE, not only do you need to pay a subscription up front, but you need to buy X quantity of skillpoints for X amount of RL cash before you can do anything worthwhile. This will be the new perception of many new players if this goes live. So much for the NPE. How about this message for new players: SP are quite useful, but not that important. Don't get all excited about SP and take your time. Because if you're willing to progress slower than usual, after the first 2 months you can play for free for just a couple 100 million ISK a month. Go shoot people in Faction Warfare!Because one of the possibilities of the new system will be trading SP for ISK for PLEX... Yes, after 5M SP newbros can sell SP too.
I'm all for education but if this drama has highlighted anything it's that the idea of skillpoint gap isn't going away and if CCP are going to try to tackle it there are better ways than selling SPs.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
447
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:38:31 -
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Does anyone actually read the dev blogs? Cus judging from some replies i would say probably not. It also reduces the skill points in the game, every "transaction" not only costs isk, but depletes total skill points. In fact outside fairly young characters it is just not much help at all.
AKA the scientist.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
108
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:39:19 -
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The Power Broker wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:I read about it but I don't get what's so bad about it - anybody mind explaining?
Edit: Ewww, just found out that you can buy SP with Aurum AKA RL money - CCP DO NOT DO THIS. Just like you can do already with buying PLEX and then purchasing a character in the Bazaar ?
Really, I can inject those SPs into this character ? I had no idea 
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