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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:56:36 -
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Unfortunately this time around its not going to work. Players are too disenfranchised with the game. It happened then because it was all a big shock. Nowadays people are just too apathetic from years of this bullshit. This will be a last straw for many but until it actually gets implemented you won't see the results. |
Tau Rollard
Dynamic Security Solutions
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Posted - 2015.10.26 22:24:47 -
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I didn't agree with the riot of Incarnia entirely. Micro transactions were silly but i wanted them to work on a social expansion of this LITERAL SOCIAL GAME. Still majority rule doesn't work in a mental institution.
This is just posturing for someone who needs attention. People like you show the rest of the gaming community as bitchy autistic 10 year old grim-dark cry babies. Your delusional level of entitlement is the reason why we cant have nice things.
This is good for new players, good for business and most importantly GOOD FOR CONTENT! |
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.27 06:09:34 -
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Whoa, I missed it. how come :/ Well I belatedly support the move. I hate the changes. |
Frank Pannon
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Posted - 2015.10.27 06:50:20 -
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I support anything that brings more people into the game and facilitates those rough early days for newbies.
-1 for a riot, am late anyways.
A riot, what a stupid kneejerk reaction. People complaining about moneygrab pfff... I want CCP to make enough money, so that they can maintain their workforce, and keep developing this game I love, and keep playing it with my friends for many more years. Stop being so jaded. |
Marcus Alexzander
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Posted - 2015.10.27 16:10:50 -
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I support all of the changes that CCP is planing. Long live EVE!
I am the prophet of the Blood God! Let the stars of New Eden burn!
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Valacus
Shattered Silver
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Posted - 2015.10.27 18:33:58 -
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Even if the changes only help new players, I support it. There's no reason we can't give new players a helping hand when it comes to the brutal world of EVE Online. They're already racing through support skills just so they can fit what meager ships they have properly, let alone trying to get into better ship classes and bigger guns. Throw them a bone. |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group
168
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Posted - 2015.11.01 01:02:42 -
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It's not going to help new players. It will cost far too much for them. These changes will help old players make alts and rich corps, mostly ones that recruit from outside of the game. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.01 03:41:17 -
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Valacus wrote: Throw them a bone. How is charging them real life money throwing them a bone ? It's exploiting them. Helping them would be something like increasing starting SP and lowering training times to reach level 5 for support skills or something that didn't cost extra ion top of the sub.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9527
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:23:40 -
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Malice Redeemer wrote:It's not going to help new players. It will cost far too much for them. These changes will help old players make alts and rich corps, mostly ones that recruit from outside of the game.
I'm confused.
You seem to be against rich corps using their wealth for the noble goal of introducing new players to the game. Players that otherwise might have never heard of this game.
It irks me that people seem to be adamantly opposed to corps trying to increase the player base. Is that not what CCP wanted in the first place? A sandbox with player made content? That content must surely include recruiting new people from outside the game. A thing that SA, Reddit, and others have successfully achieved.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Railroad Cop
Trademarque Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.11.03 01:01:18 -
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OP is a ******.
Greed = Selling a Monocle (A virtual / pixel one at that) for $80 USD.
Skill Packets = An idea that has been well thought out and planned. It is not pay to win, it has been built around benefiting new players and not doing crap to benefit high SP players other than allowing them to pull unused / un wanted skills from their head and make a bit of cash from it.
Look at the bazaar and all of the "****" characters with wasted SP that were seemingly trained by someone with the attention span of a gold fish. They now have a use - new players can buy them (or be bought cheap for SP extraction) to skill up faster.
SP are not created from thin air - they are taken from Players whom have earned them just like everyone else. Note- they are taken at a LOSS - you can inject less than what you pull out.
Quit your bitching! |
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.03 01:06:47 -
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Railroad Cop wrote: it has been built around benefiting new players
So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9527
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Posted - 2015.11.03 02:41:46 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Railroad Cop wrote: it has been built around benefiting new players So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys Kind of like now where they stump up the cash to go shopping in the Character Bazaar?
Find something else to justify your altruistic compassion for new players.. The "Think of the poor noobs with no money" shtick is not only dishonest, it's getting really old, really fast.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
2638
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Posted - 2015.11.03 03:02:34 -
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If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it. We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem?
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:14:25 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
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To clarify on my own reaction: I'm not a fan, because it leads to the feeling that people 'must' buy skill points to keep their character competitive. Yes, people could always go and buy a character off the Bazaar. But their connection to a character like that is less. Also, it's a significantly higher outlay, so it's not a 'normal' option for people to take. With a lower initial cost, the pressure is higher. And I think that's a bad idea.
(Will it kill Eve? Nope. I just don't think it'll be good for it)
I don't see that as relevant.
Reason being the only way (talking skill points) you can presently get skill points is by having an active account. So those starting can never be competitive as there is presently no catch up if players continue to subscribe.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1773
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:18:47 -
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I think its fine, give them skillpoint microtransactions so carebears can have max lvl ravens and stuff
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40705
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:28:12 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it. We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem? I think your last sentence is answered by the possibility of your first.
I've mellowed on my initial reaction to the idea. Still cautious, but we'll see how it develops.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:36:50 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:If it's not people paying real money for SP, I have no problems with it. We can already sell our alts for isk on the bazaar. And lots of people have expressed an interest in shedding useless skills. Why is this such a problem? I think your last sentence is answered by the possibility of your first. I've mellowed on my initial reaction to the idea. Still cautious, but we'll see how it develops.
I can understand the negative reaction of some people to this.
A lot of people have played the game a long time and some of those will view it as an achievement. So being able to buy sp undermines their sense of achievement. |
GeorgePenken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:32:30 -
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A protest about what?
This is good for Eve.
The character bazzar is outdated and needs improving. Making it so skills can be traded is an awesome idea. |
Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
701
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:40:49 -
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People have been selling SP through the Character Bazaar for years. This is no different. The process is just more streamlined. |
Stalking Mantis
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
887
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:06:11 -
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I think the REAL question that should be asked here is: WHY is CCP strapped for cash?
In my humble opinion it is because everytime they have some they hire someone that does not understand the core concept of eve and he starts some random project for them. See Dust, Vampires, The new Shooter on rails.
Look no one can blame CCP for trying to diversify income through trying to R&D new games. Problem is they don't know if they want to cater to their current player base or reach out to new ones. And while they flounder that question they keep losing players.
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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:44:06 -
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I remember one of previous protests which directly made Incarna aborted. It's the most absurd protest of all time in my own opinion. The protesters are so shortsighted.
Walking in the station is a significant feature, which could leads to various kinds of gameplay and extremely extend the depth of EVE. PVE is the base of EVE.
Skill trading is also a very important decision to new players, which could help them a lot to get through the tedious experience when waiting for skills to accomplish. Everyone knows the decline of online player number.
It's also vital for CCP, after all, who'd been once on the edge of bankruptcy. CCP just sold White Wolf Publishing. I think the money will be spent on the new servers in my opinion.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
195
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:44:52 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:People have been selling SP through the Character Bazaar for years. This is no different. The process is just more streamlined.
There is a difference, a character from the bazaar has a set amount of sp to increase it you need an active account.
Unless they impose a restriction on trading sp, there is no limit. |
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
45
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Posted - 2015.11.03 13:03:20 -
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And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous. Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others? That's protests turn to riots in real life. |
Ice Frozen Heart
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.03 13:22:47 -
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Disagree. I would like to see some other way of SP-trading, something like "perk" trading, f.e to get new pilot learned Titan skills he have to waste 5-15 dread pilots skills. and 50k SP after 80m ... only euro millioners can afford such investments to get reasonable improvement to character SP, so no big difference for other players. Especialy if to agree that SP not the only thing you need in EVE. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
162
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Posted - 2015.11.03 13:34:50 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Railroad Cop wrote: it has been built around benefiting new players So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys Kind of like now where they stump up the cash to go shopping in the Character Bazaar? Find something else to justify your altruistic compassion for new players.. The "Think of the poor noobs with no money" shtick is not only dishonest, it's getting really old, really fast. Mr Epeen
Fully skilled characters going for 10s of billions is not the same as TSPs going for (at a guess) 100s of millions. The bar is set high enough in the character bazaar that new guys aren't all buying fully skilled characters. When those characters are broken down into TSP sized packets and put on the market at "more affordable" prices, many more new guys are going to buy the TSPs who would not have bought a new character. When the ones who don't, or cannot afford to see their 2 day old friends in the ship they will have to wait weeks to fly, the message will be clear,
YOU CAN PLAY NOW, IF YOU PAY US MORE MONEY.
The difference between character bazaar and TSPs is like Cocaine to Crack. If you can't see endless whine threads about CCP doing something about the price of SPs in General Discussion in the future then I would suggest it is you who is being dishonest. The perception for many newguys just starting the game and many thinking about starting will be YOU CAN PLAY NOW, IF YOU PAY US MORE MONEY, whether that's 100% accurate is irrelevant, if that's what people think it will damage subscriptions and retention.
You can question the "real" reason for my opposition to this move all you like, I've been consistent in my reasons since it was suggested and it has nothing to do with butthurt about my SPs being devalued (I don't even have that many I spent so long unsubbed over the years). It has nothing to do with stupid principles (I bought this character back in 2010) it has everything to do with my feeling that newguys do need better help getting into this game more quickly and this being about the worst possible way that can be achieved.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.03 13:40:25 -
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Nate Hill wrote:And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous. Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others? That's protests turn to riots in real life.
EvE is not real life HTH |
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
45
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:23:32 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Nate Hill wrote:And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous. Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others? That's protests turn to riots in real life. EvE is not real life HTH Playing EVE is real life. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1775
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:29:18 -
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Nate Hill wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Nate Hill wrote:And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous. Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others? That's protests turn to riots in real life. EvE is not real life HTH Playing EVE is real life.
EVE IS REAL
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:43:07 -
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Nate Hill wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Nate Hill wrote:And BURN JITA is losers rage against innocent people, which is so barbarous. Have you ever heard of appeal to somebody for something, which eventually harms others? That's protests turn to riots in real life. EvE is not real life HTH Playing EVE is real life.
Have you considered the possibility that people play characters in a fictional online game in a way that is contrary to the way they act in real life ?
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1775
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:50:23 -
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i sometimes pretend my car is a dramiel and enjoy chasing the manticore's around the town while listening to Pete and the Pirates and saying yarr to pedestrians #eveisreal
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