It is because you can (use RL money) not because you don't have to (that made sense when I typed it)

The logic here assumes double paying for the SP why? The player creating the SP already paid the sub for it in one form or another, thus there is no reason for the extractors to charge that same amount again.

Exactly.

Something around 10% of 1/4 PLEX, so 1/40 PLEX or 30M ISK (at current PLEX prices) would make more sense.

No... It would probably be about 1/4 PLEX is Aurum costs based on 500k SP being approx 1 week worth of SP.
You may also be able to determine that this is the relative value of time invested, so the would cost approx. 1/2 a PLEX.

Which means TONS of people are going to be buying up as much SP as they can.

Again you are missing the point, the AUR cost of the extractor has no reason whatsoever to reflect the cost of the SP since that cost is paid by the sub that generated the SP.

The point of the AUR cost is to replicate the transfer fee of the Bazaar in a more granular fashion. Considering the effective flat price of 7000 AUR (2 PLEX) transfers any amount of SP, up to several tens or even over a hundred million, 875 for 500k is ridiculous as a transfer fee, which is what the extractor cost is, the transfer cost, not the SP cost.

I feel that YOU are missing the point.
What you're stating is not how the market works.

the isk to plex to Aurum ratio is very much going to reflect in the cost of the SP packet.

No one is disputing this, what was disputed was your math that assumed the extractor would initially cost close to 2 PLEX (judged by your 2B/packet number) then the follow up suggestion that the extractor could likely cost the same as the time training the SP converted from PLEX to isk.

If you meant "packet" and not "extractor" when your suggested the price that's another story, but as stated there is no reason for the extractor, the part sold by CCP to allow removal of SP from a character, to have a cost that mimics the cost of the SP produced. Especially when the cost to transfer SP currently has no set AUR or PLEX:SP ratio.

Ok.. This is our bad... We were misunderstanding each other.
I had already determined that I was wrong on my initial 2 bil estimate.
That estimate was based off the assumption that the cost of the extractor would be the full PLEX value, 500 in SP, and up to 500 mil of the player making isk.

Having said that, we don't yet know the Aurum cost, so it could very well be the full price of a PLEX.

To be perfectly honest, if Aurum value is less than half a PLEX, than it's going to be WAY too easy for players to buy these and MANY MANY people would likely boost up to 80 mil, if not further.

This is kind of the problem I'm having with the whole system. There is no amount of SP and Aurum ratio that is a butter zone.
It seems like it's either going to be too easy for new toons, or too costly for vet toons.

IF CCP were to remove the diminishing returns, I feel it would be easier to find a butter zone, and also more fair for those of us that only have one toon and have spent years training that toon, only to find they will be punished on that toon for training so long.

If we're just going to gate this at billions for any real effect we may as well not do it as it leaves all the negatives (rich players power leveling, "cash grabs," few/no options for new players without substantial RL currency investment) and none of the positives.

This is the problem at any level of SP purchase.
This system HEAVILY favors vets with large isk wallets and those with high real world personal wealth.

If we assume the base rate of an SP packet is as low as 500mil, most new players (not new toons, but specifically new players) will not accrue that amount of isk in their first year of play.

So the ONLY option for a newbro is to either know someone in game with wealth, join an alliance with wealth that provides skill packets, or spend real world cash in order to purchase the packets by selling PLEX.

No matter how you look at it, this IS a "cash grab" as the system relies specifically on PLEX, which can only be introduced into the game through real cash purchase.

This is the problem at any level of SP purchase.
This system HEAVILY favors vets with large isk wallets and those with high real world personal wealth.

If we assume the base rate of an SP packet is as low as 500mil, most new players (not new toons, but specifically new players) will not accrue that amount of isk in their first year of play.

So the ONLY option for a newbro is to either know someone in game with wealth, join an alliance with wealth that provides skill packets, or spend real world cash in order to purchase the packets by selling PLEX.

No matter how you look at it, this IS a "cash grab" as the system relies specifically on PLEX, which can only be introduced into the game through real cash purchase.

One thing I would like to see though.

If you extract SP from your too and apply that SP back to that same toon, I don't feel it should suffer diminishing returns.
If we're already going to buying SP, we might as well allow players to purchase a SP remaps without SP loss.

This has come up 100s of times. Choosing to train something is a relevant decision. It should remain so. That means "remapping skills" should always come at some cost. Not just an isk one either. A sp one.

New system is fine?

Yeap

No matter how you look at it, this IS a "cash grab" as the system relies specifically on PLEX, which can only be introduced into the game through real cash purchase.

What's wrong with "cash grabs" anyway?

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