Have you considered the possibility that people play characters in a fictional online game in a way that is contrary to the way they act in real life ?

Um what is the problem here? All that is happening is characters which were sold as a whole are now being sold in 500k packets. So basically it has made it open to non super rich people (in game or out of game). Why on earth would you expect a mass protest against somethig which will only help the majority and especially new players, players with less rl money and players with less in game money?

It's not going to help new players. It will cost far too much for them. These changes will help old players make alts and rich corps, mostly ones that recruit from outside of the game.

So what is the estimate for the cost of a 500k packet?

So long as they have real life cash to stump up in addition to the subscription fee, that's really going to bring hordes of new guys

How is charging them real life money throwing them a bone ? It's exploiting them. Helping them would be something like increasing starting SP and lowering training times to reach level 5 for support skills or something that didn't cost extra ion top of the sub.

or inflating them further, unless you can reliably predict whether people will pay with more farmed isk or bought plex it's impossible to say

Really ? Having more Skillpoints instantly will change hisec bears playstyle where having more skillpoints over time has failed to do so ?

It may keep players away when it gets around that in EvE, not only do you need to pay a subscription up front, but you need to buy X quantity of skillpoints for X amount of RL cash before you can do anything worthwhile. This will be the new perception of many new players if this goes live. So much for the NPE.

You're not kidding.

Rl cash, friends in game, donations or even just being very quick learners who are held back buy their sp not their isk income? Whatever it wil be easier for them than buying a whole character.

I think the proposed change is a good idea. I would think otherwise if the character bazaar were not already a thing. But it is, so bring it on.

Fundamentally, Eve is struggling as of late because its too slow. It takes forever to do anything meaningful, including training skills.

The few of us that have been around since the beginning know that the game was originally designed where you gain skillpoints over time AND from doing things in game. You shoot autocannons in game, your autocannon skillpoints go up.

It was removed very early because of exploiting. If I remember correctly, it was assumed the system would be fixed at the time.

Since then, everything is time locked. You start the game, you dig it, and realize one day you want to fly some battleship with at least average skills. Great, I will get back to you in two months (at the bare minimum). Oh, and there is literally no way you can speed it up. That is a tough pill to swallow compared to competition in the sandboxy, risk vs reward pvp genre these days.

Frankly, you have been able to buy isk (via plex), and with it, a high SKP character for a long time. The world has not ended. Making the process easier isn't going to change anything. Plus it kills a lot of other birds with the same stone, like getting rid of wasted skills, respecing and character/account merging.

Was it exploiting or some players were progressing too fast?

Similar thing happened with Saga of Ryzom (sandbox game), people were progressing too fast so they nerfed the progress, in the process they turned it into more of a grind and people left as WoW was being released at that time.

They would have lost some to WoW anyway, but they lost more because they annoyed their player base. It never recovered from that.

Why are you comparing it to buying a new character from the bazaar, most new guys don't buy characters. Many players are not even aware of the CB for a long time. Character bazaar is not in their face. TSPs will be front and centre, on the market in "affordable" chunks, if a new player doesn't have the money to buy plex to buy TSPs on top of their sub they will most likely know someone in game who does, that's pressure to compete straight away.

That you would propose that new bros will be getting donations from players in game if they cannot afford to plex for TSPs is just hilarious, even the big powerblocs won't be dropping these TSPs on new guys who could join the alliance, get the TSP and the *** off again.

These will be out of reach of new players until they serve time with a powerbloc, learn to make enough isk or bite the bullet and drop R/L cash on a plex. New players and those thinking about subscribing will perceive that if they want to keep up with other new players, it will cost them, their subscription and a plex or 2 for skillpoints.

It's not a good message to be sending out.

Unless they impose a restriction on trading sp, there is no limit.

I don't understand something. When CCP first announced this, there were pages and pages of raging in that thread related to the dev blog. What I'm seeing now is a complete reversal of opinion. What changed? Did people just step away for a bit, think about it, and see it in a more positive light?

Personally I like it. I have a character that's kind of all over the place, skill-wise. It was my first character so I wasted a lot of SP's experimenting with a lot of different activities that I regret now. I'm thinking I might just harvest that character to nothing and then biomass it.

There's the old saying

Adapt or die

Current suggested pricing puts 50k SP for a 50M character at more than 500M. And the 500k SP need to come from somewhere. My guess is the price will settle around 1B.

So yea its unlimited, in that saving less than *one* day of training will cost 1B. you really think people are going to pay that? Oh and where are all these skill points coming from? They have to come from real accounts.

Current suggested pricing puts 50k SP for a 50M character at more than 500M. And the 500k SP need to come from somewhere. My guess is the price will settle around 1B.

So yea its unlimited, in that saving less than *one* day of training will cost 1B. you really think people are going to pay that? Oh and where are all these skill points coming from? They have to come from real accounts.

Where does this suggested pricing come from btw?

Where does this suggested pricing come from btw?