Hi!

The new probe scanner looks awesome in principle, however I have a major problem with it.

When your cube that represents all drones lands behind an icon for a moon, belt or anything else (considering I already turned displaying probes off), I cannot click and drag to move my probes AT ALL when trying to drag around the cube.

I had situations in Systems where all 4 arrows AND the cube were covered by icons, which made the probes unmovable.

it would be awesome if the icons and the popups that show up were not layered OVER the cube and arrows that move your probes, otherwise using the new probing system seems to be quite problematic!

i already wrote that in the scanning feedback thread long time ago:i really dislike that you changed the position of the scan button to the upper left corner. It is very unusual to have a button of the primary window function on that location.

there are UI conventions which should be maintained whenever possible, just like the post button of this forum is in the bottom right not on the top left - everyone expects it there without even reading the text on it.

Can you please put the scan button somewhere not in the farthest away corner in the scan window?
I miss the old scan ui in that way, I like the idea with the scan window that you can have as a extra windwow so you can see grid around your ship while scanning if you want to.

after a few scans some sigs i cant get scanned beyond 3-5% , im not sure if you made the sigs harder to scan or its my newbieness with the new scan u.i thats causing it perhaps.

Omg the override dynamic music button is the best feature ever! Devs you are the best!
It made me raise the music volume by 50% thats got to say something?

Can only drag probes up down left right back and forwards, not in 2 dimensions as with old interface... I'm guessing if this aint fixed people aint gonna us it

It seems I am not really able to use my beloved beta map anymore.

In station I can-¦t see anything on it total black or total white with some geometric, white figures when I zoom in/out. Looks like triangles or so but it-¦s just flashing so I am not really able to see what it and didn-¦t spent too much time to figure that out.
When I am in space the map is too laggy to use. Restartting, enabling, disabling and so on and so forth the beta map didn-¦t work out. Fullscreen or other option for the map didn-¦t work either. Literally, when I open the map my screen is locked. It looks like the game is losing synchronisation when I open the map because the map wants to update my position in space all the time and since there is the 1second server tick the map can-¦t handle the input in time and it becomes "laggy". Changing the intervals in settings helps a little bit with the best performance on interval 1 and the worst on 4 and immediate. This made me thinking even more there some out of sync issue here between server refreshing my position in space and on the map.
Hope this helps a little to understand what is happening. I will keep an eye on the this topic and answer any upcoming questions.
Last but not least I am using the beta map since it came out and never looked back for a single session and never had any issues until today.

restarted the game to see if it would fix the angle of dscan on the solar system map it doesnt it just stays a red circle only the size changes i doesnt switch to the angle ur selecting whats up with that?
why do u shove this changes down our throats while the old was working perfectly???

- The Dscan "circle" when in 360 degree scan is 2D. WHY is it 2D? It's extremely bad for the situational awareness, and I must pan the camera around for a few seconds to figure out exactly what is covered by the scan. This could be fixed instantly by turning the circle into a 3D sphere.

- Unless i'm missing something, why are you now separating the scanning window from the system window, like the old map? The issues we have with the new map aren't with the concept, just the implementation. The map is cluttered, the icons stack and scanning feels more clunky than it used to with the old map. Some fine tuning and detail was needed, not an entirely separate map. This has fixed none of the previous issues.

- Why can I not see my modules in either the scanning map or the system map anymore? I'd like to know if I've been decloaked while orbiting a gate, without having to exit the scanning map.

- Why can't the scan UI's scale in transparency? That's ******* annoying.


+- The Dscan visualization is a nice thought but largely unnecessary for anyone that knows how Dscan works.


+ Thank you for implementing a drop-down list for probes. I don't care about seeing them, never have. This saves precious UI space.

+ Scanning filters are better implemented than they were.

+ Everything listed in scan results is looking much slicker.


At first glance, a few nice features. Mostly, you're fixing things that weren't broken.

PLEASE bring back the single map

you used to be able to tick and un tick anomalies to manually refresh probe window to show new Sigs. Maybe we can actually add a button to refresh probe window?

This is important as when warping around a system the probe window does not automatically update distances from you to anoms or sigs. This comes into play while hunting from dscan to know what sigs and anoms are in D-scan range.

I heard nothing but hate toward the new scanning options and the beta map. It appears that CCP is trying to force out the old and make us use the new map with all it's fancy icons and labels.
I hate it. I know of no pilot who likes it better than the old map.
Please stop trying to fix what was not broken. You can only break it.

Today I log in to find my scanning probe window all changed and labels gone so my sorting doesn't work, and I bring up F10 map and there are no probes on screen when deployed. The probes show up on the F9 map but that map is windowed and does not behave like the old map which can do full screen to replac the entire space graphics.

This plain sucks for us older exploration pilots.

this beta map is terrible. and sadly the old map dosnt work with scan probes it seems.

I like most of the improvements to the D-scan map/windows, especially the probe's arrow changing colors when mousing over it.

I miss having the circle showing the current scan %. Being color blind, and red on black being hard for me to see, it helped me locate the exact location of the sigs better.
Now, I do like having the white circle and the name showing up when mousing over the name of the anomaly. it would be nice to be able to click on a sig in the probe window and until another sig is selected or moused over there, the white circle and name on the map would remain visible.

I do like the 1-5 shortcuts to change fileter quickly. it would be nice to be able to drag and drop these to tie them to a specific filter of our choice. Can a filter that has the number 1-5 assigned be deleted?
Also on one of my alt, I see only shortcuts 1-3 and a line and the other filters below do not have numbers.. not sure why..

I do like the D-Scan layout, but it would be nice if the D-Scan view on the map only shows when D_scan window is currently active. I usualy have both scan window and D-scan window open and tab between them. I'd like to see the D-Scan bubble on the map only when the d-scan window has the focus. Right now you have to close D-scan window to remove it from the map.

Thanks for all the good work!

So I've restarted my client a couple of times but I still do not have the directional cube in solar system view to move my probes around. I can resize them but cannot move them.

Seriously CCP there was nothing wrong with the way probing worked before. Changing things just to be able to say you did something to earn your paycheck hurts the game. Maybe you really didn't earn that paycheck after all.

It's seems like it's a game with you people to see how many subscribers you can run off by making the game worse.

....and no you can't have my stuff.....

All of this. Point 1/ made me hunt a ghost sig for a minute. Also, filtering Anoms is by far my most used filter. Takes now two clicks, I wouldn't mind if it got back its own toggle.

Just an initial thought on the new scanner window. I've not used it in anger so can't really comment - but in terms of features it seems ok. Definitely room for improvement though...

http://i.imgur.com/BfMF67c.png

Why?! Just why have a drop down button then an uncheck button. Just let me click the wifi button to toggle! You can hit the focus current location button without needing a drop down list...

Also, when you have it the camera locked you can't double click on your probes. Can you make it so when the camera is locked we can still double click on our probes to centralise the view there? If we then want to switch back to dscan locked we can then just then (please) click a single button to re-enable it.

Quality of life change that I can't see why anyone would be against there.


edit - how about just making all the icons visible on the scanner window. The full screen/window/dock has no reason to be a sub menu. Again make it possible to do it with a single click?

Scanner windowed - if you are zoomed out and try and drag the sliders to move the probes, it seems to just click the actual probe under the arrow....

Why have a skin for the ship, like the police comet, if its not named police comet in space? Same goes for every skin. Makes skins kind of pointless doesnt it?

I have survey data and several feedback threads that disagree with the subjective part of the post. The F9 map can be made fullscreen as you like - just use the options in the top right, or double click the system name.

Quick update post following team meeting.

So, after taking the points about Scanning onboard, here are some changes we'll be working toward:

Make signature circles in Solar System Map (SSM) bigger
Make them highlight if probes are over them (more obviously)
One click to get to last custom formation
Show all remaining signatures in the SSM after you ignore one in the Probe Scanner interface
Add visual D-scan toggle to SSM window

And here are some defects we're going to try fixing:

Probe control box not always displaying
Probe scanner width settings not correctly retained
Signature list in Probe Scanning window snaps to top after each scan
Various issues with filters, particularly custom filters
General performance issues (keep those bug reports coming if you have performance issues - no multiple reports though from same computer please)
D-Scan Overview Filters overhang bounding box
Probe scanner interface not snappable to other windows
Structure and Scan results are displayed inconsistently.

Please note - this is not an exhaustive list! There are other issues that have been raised in this thread that we are researching more, or waiting to get more feedback on before committing to an action plan. For instance, there have been a lot of remarks about the scan progress lines, the color of the D-scan sphere, and such. These will be iterated on over time, so don't expect fast changes to them. The HUD showing through the Solar System map is something we'll have to put more time into investigating too - don't think that because it's missing from the above list that we've dismissed it or forgotten about it.

I hope these changes show you effectively that we are committed to iteration and we still want your constructive, well explained feedback!

When warping, I've had it happen several times where it looks like I lagged and my ship slingshots back a few KM, only to continue what it was doing from where it got "pushed" back. My corpmates state they can see my ship being yanked back in space, so I doubt it is a lag issue.

This also happens when moving to an object, like station, accel gate or gate. I almost lost a ship last night because of this. I jumped a gate, landed 11km off it, got shot at and burned back to gate. I was 3km from it, when suddenly I was 8km from the gate. I was unable to jump until I was at 0m because the client stated "You need to be within 2500m to perform that action"

While warping to stations with the "Dock" order, the ship will slingshot back a few meters after warp, and the message "You need to be within 2500m to perform that action" displays. Also the dock order is canceled and the ship just idles in space once it reaches 0m.