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Yin Zheng
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:13:26 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Yeah we've got this in our back pocket. We want to see how this works out, and if its too OP we'll introduce a new scrambling script with a shorter range. Introduce the scrambling script with a really short range, buff it if it sucks too much. It would be much more logical than adding something outright broken and then trying to fix it. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2245
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:14:25 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Suitonia wrote:A separate script that has reduced range (Maybe 40% of normal) would probably make this a bit more balanced. 37.5km Scrams on T2 HIC is incredibly powerful, and actually stronger than best faction linked heating Lachesis, obviously HICs can't get reps like a Lach can but they still have huge buffers and they will be incredibly problematic for small gangs, especially those without links. Yeah we've got this in our back pocket. We want to see how this works out, and if its too OP we'll introduce a new scrambling script with a shorter range. but were telling you its OP, can you really not see that or listen too us. Data observed over time beats the kneejerk reactions of a handful of eveo forums posters any day.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1239
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:14:48 -
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Yin Zheng wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Yeah we've got this in our back pocket. We want to see how this works out, and if its too OP we'll introduce a new scrambling script with a shorter range. Introduce the scrambling script with a really short range, buff it if it sucks too much. It would be much more logical than adding something outright broken and then trying to fix it.
you would think so, it seems too be the CCP way though. usually too much buff and not enough nerf
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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big miker
Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops
370
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:15:11 -
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Wow, just wow
Giving a 200k EHP boat a 30+ ( 37.5 ) km scrambler? Like Suitonia said, make it a script with LESS range. If you want long range scramblers fly a Lachesis or Arazu or anything else with a scrambler range bonus, which are more balanced since they can't get very high EHP levels.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Decayed Orbit
113
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:15:15 -
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TehEbil1 wrote:Khador Vess wrote:Galdur Trudaihnel wrote: Not really how can a solo pvper / small gang roam null with the 'current meta' taking those changes into account. All the blob needs to do is stick one of these either side of a gate and your screwed . There is no way you are pulling off gate and fighting in a shield kite MWD setup that is commonly used today and there is also no way you can crash the gate either.
There are ways round it but the meta will have to adjust (im thinking AB's/ more brawling setups), but it will definitely destroy a lot of small gang setups as we know them. As for solo... with no kiting or MJD you are limited to using AB's for mobility around gates.
They can do the exact same thing with an arazu. Without links its still a 27km scram. Hics also have speed penalties when running the generators so they cant chase after you if you are dual prop. Except it doesn't have speed penalties when you have the focused script in, which allows you to scram things
the arazu will probably die faster than the average hic |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1239
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:15:33 -
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Querns wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Suitonia wrote:A separate script that has reduced range (Maybe 40% of normal) would probably make this a bit more balanced. 37.5km Scrams on T2 HIC is incredibly powerful, and actually stronger than best faction linked heating Lachesis, obviously HICs can't get reps like a Lach can but they still have huge buffers and they will be incredibly problematic for small gangs, especially those without links. Yeah we've got this in our back pocket. We want to see how this works out, and if its too OP we'll introduce a new scrambling script with a shorter range. but were telling you its OP, can you really not see that or listen too us. Data observed over time beats the kneejerk reactions of a handful of eveo forums posters any day.
yeah, but we also told them them the T3 dessies would be OP on release..
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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5pitf1re
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
81
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:16:16 -
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Galdur Trudaihnel wrote: Not really how can a solo pvper / small gang roam null with the 'current meta' taking those changes into account. All the blob needs to do is stick one of these either side of a gate and your screwed . There is no way you are pulling off gate and fighting in a shield kite MWD setup that is commonly used today and there is also no way you can crash the gate either.
There are ways round it but the meta will have to adjust (im thinking AB's/ more brawling setups), but it will definitely destroy a lot of small gang setups as we know them. As for solo... with no kiting or MJD you are limited to using AB's for mobility around gates.
I can already ruin your day in a linked resebo'd Vigilant and I won't care about your ABs at all, I'll scram you out to 16.7km and 90% dual web you at 17.7km. You won't go anywhere. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2372
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:18:39 -
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big miker wrote:Wow, just wow
Giving a 200k EHP boat a 30+ ( 37.5 ) km scrambler? Like Suitonia said, make it a script with LESS range. If you want long range scramblers fly a Lachesis or Arazu or anything else with a scrambler range bonus, which are more balanced since they can't get very high EHP levels.
Proteus isn't a kick in the tail off this either. They're not exactly high on peoples broken list (for that reason, at least).
And it can do it whilst bringing like...850 DPS with it. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1239
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:18:56 -
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5pitf1re wrote:Galdur Trudaihnel wrote: Not really how can a solo pvper / small gang roam null with the 'current meta' taking those changes into account. All the blob needs to do is stick one of these either side of a gate and your screwed . There is no way you are pulling off gate and fighting in a shield kite MWD setup that is commonly used today and there is also no way you can crash the gate either.
There are ways round it but the meta will have to adjust (im thinking AB's/ more brawling setups), but it will definitely destroy a lot of small gang setups as we know them. As for solo... with no kiting or MJD you are limited to using AB's for mobility around gates.
I can already ruin your day in a linked resebo'd Vigilant and I won't care about your ABs at all, I'll scram you out to 16.7km and 90% dual web you at 17.7km. You won't go anywhere.
i still can't believe they allowed 90% webs on serpentis
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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Odris Meza
The Reborn The Gorgon Empire
10
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:24:50 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:TehEbil1 wrote:Harvey James wrote:and on-one thinks arazu/lachesis point range bonuses are OP? ... really?? Arazu/Lachesis dont achieve multi-hundred thousand ehp's Multi-hundred thousand EHP's? On a HIC? What are you smoking? You cannot do that unless you have an immobile brick and even then it is hardly "multi-hundred." A Devoter, without bonuses, maxes out under 200k EHP with T2 fit (and has no weapons at all). A Phobos is around 170k (again with no weapons). And, no, Harvey James, Arazu/Lachesis point ranges are not OP. http://clip2net.com/s/3pTzRz9 180k EHP even w/o slave or bonuses is enough to tank about 5 ppl at HACs or 3-4 BSH who cant get to close range btw to do their dps for min or two.
Are you dont see it's really imba if we look from solo/small scale pvp and not from capital ship 1000 local balance? Why? Ok i say why: 1). 36km scram is better range than overloaded FACTION scram with links at lachestis/arazu. Which dont have so much hp and resistances for logistics. 2). The same ship can use buble active to stop even frig/destro/cruiser size ships. Ok lets say he dont get enough scan res to lock frig/destro but 100% have even with one SB to lock cruiser. 3). Ok lets look about BC/BSH: solo or small number of these will be punished almost w/o chances to escape, you can try to focus devoter/phobos with 150k EHP. OK SO WHAT? Cyno/blob will kill you. The only thing BSH(not BC) can do is heavy neut him and hoping for escape(ofc not an idiot will have capbooster at Hictor), oh wait heavy neut range is 25 faction 29.4 and scram from Hictor is 36km! So battlecruiser is useless trash who cant reach 36 km range(only t3 can do this well, even new faction BC do rly bad dps at 36km range) and cant move if dont fit oversized 100mn AB. 4). So any of low/null sec camp or homedefence got free buble + lachestis with bonuses in same ship and alot of EHP. Anytime it's can be saved with any of logistics/triage/blob coz you cant kill this **** really fast and you are scrambled near gate. 6 second cycle of generator with script, 4 if OH. I cant call of this crap as "balance".
New Script with about 15 km range is good idea, 36km it's omgwtfbbq. Also it's possible to work as scram only vs Capitals if you want this to work well against them. Dont kill nonblob PvP pz.
Ok np if this will be relised like this i will undock on my phantasm but not machariel/tempest or any of HAC's/BCs maybe Armageddon can hangle this, but none else. |
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Aiyshimin
Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate
567
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:26:06 -
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So many posts basically saying
"omg I can't kite in my OP linked kiting autism chariot with absolute impunity and feel elite anymore if the enemies have a HIC"
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Challus Mercer
Sacred Temple The Gorgon Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:26:49 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Suitonia wrote:A separate script that has reduced range (Maybe 40% of normal) would probably make this a bit more balanced. 37.5km Scrams on T2 HIC is incredibly powerful, and actually stronger than best faction linked heating Lachesis, obviously HICs can't get reps like a Lach can but they still have huge buffers and they will be incredibly problematic for small gangs, especially those without links. Yeah we've got this in our back pocket. We want to see how this works out, and if its too OP we'll introduce a new scrambling script with a shorter range. Such a huge range for a scram is a huge boost to all kinds of camping. Eve doesn't need this at all. It only shifts the meta towards oversized ABs and smaller ships like t3d's, which was already the case. Just reconsider this again please. New script with smaller range would be definitely more healthy decision. |
Zazad Antollare
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:27:14 -
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Make the regular generator (no script) increase agility modifer and then we are good |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2372
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:29:09 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:So many posts basically saying
"omg I can't kite in my OP linked kiting autism chariot with absolute impunity and feel elite anymore if the enemies have a HIC"
So much this. It's like they've never seen a proteus. |
Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1416
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:38:58 -
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The more I think about this, the more my mind is completely blown. 39km 100pt scram on a 150k EHP brick (or 112k EHP brick and 500dps passive regen rate if you use purger rigs) with 500dps is absolutely insane. I feel like the dude in the seat. Can we plz get these on sisi for a while? I really want to haze some nerds with this before it gets nerfed.
https://youtu.be/80DtQD5BQ_A?t=1m50s
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Whisperen
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
46
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:43:26 -
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This is a bad idea. |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
891
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:43:49 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs This is by far the most meaningful and best part of the changes. +1,000,000
On a side note, do (scripted) Warp Disruption Field Generators benefit from Skirmish Warfare Links that increase point range? If not, they should do.
Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2246
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:44:47 -
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Soldarius wrote:The more I think about this, the more my mind is completely blown. 39km 100pt scram on a 150k EHP brick (or 112k EHP brick and 500dps passive regen rate if you use purger rigs) with 500dps is absolutely insane. I feel like the dude in the seat. Can we plz get these on sisi for a while? I really want to haze some nerds with this before it gets nerfed. https://youtu.be/80DtQD5BQ_A?t=1m50s Link your fit.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Yin Zheng
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
6
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:45:43 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:omg I can't kite in my OP linked kiting autism Solo is pretty much dead already, this is not even the last nail in its coffin - more like a **** on its grave. Small scale pilots are forced to bring OP linked kiting autism to survive against blobs. Now they will also be forced to bring a counter to this cancer. This doesn't add a single bit of depth to guerilla-style pvp, simply a hard counter that requires you to field another hard counter. Diversity of setups? Didn't want this crap anyway.
Right now blobtards like cfc have to bring a handful of svipuls in addition to the actual combat fleet to force small gangs out of their krabbici haven. When this HIC revamp hits TQ, it'd be enough to bring one or two HICs with cyno.
But hell, who cares about those small scale pvpers, right? They can die off for all CCP cares. Feel free to post how salty I am and I should adapt. |
Challus Mercer
Sacred Temple The Gorgon Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:46:42 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:So many posts basically saying
"omg I can't kite in my OP linked kiting autism chariot with absolute impunity and feel elite anymore if the enemies have a HIC"
A lot of l33t kiters already use oversized AB's, especially with links. Do you need more of this? Do you think bigger ships like BC's and BS's with MWD are too OP? |
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:50:24 -
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Yin Zheng wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:omg I can't kite in my OP linked kiting autism Solo is pretty much dead already, this is not even the last nail in its coffin - more like a **** on its grave. Small scale pilots are forced to bring OP linked kiting autism to survive against blobs, because you are much more likely to die in a brawling setup. Now they will also be forced to bring a counter to this cancer. This doesn't add a single bit of depth to the guerilla-style pvp, simply a hard counter that requires you to field another hard counter. Diversity of setups? Didn't want this crap anyway. Right now blobtards like cfc have to bring a handful of svipuls in addition to the actual combat fleet to force small gangs out of their krabbici haven. When this HIC revamp hits TQ, it'd be enough to bring one or two HICs with cyno. But hell, who cares about those small scale pvpers, right? They can die off for all CCP cares. Feel free to post how salty I am and that I should adapt. So a handful of heavy interdictors replacing a handful of svipuls is somehow a net negative change?
Also, this post would have been a lot more sympathetic if you left out the needless invectives.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1062
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:51:05 -
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Interesting changes. Not a fan of the implication for gatecamps. Maybe touching scanres a bit may be in order?
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2373
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:53:57 -
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Whisperen wrote:This is a bad idea. Scram and anti-mjd long point + bubbles on a instalocking brick tanked cruiser are you nuts?
This would be a valued and insightful comment, if only it wasn't wholly inaccurate... |
Whisperen
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.11.05 16:56:09 -
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Maybe you should use one then get back to us. |
Skyler Hawk
Boars on Parade The Tuskers Co.
57
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:00:25 -
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afkalt wrote:[quote=Aiyshimin]So much this. It's like they've never seen a proteus. Ed: 26.6 km scram, 185k EHP (not even slaved), over 900 DPS. Yeah....but these HICs....totally different To achieve that result with a proteus, you are using a 200m ISK faction scram on a 450m hull with links and heat, and even then you fall 10 km short of the tackling capabilities that hictors will get with just a t2 WDFG and no links, at a total cost of around 250m. It's not a remotely honest comparison. |
Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team
113
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:17:30 -
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Querns wrote:Fredric Wolf wrote:I am still upset with the tiericide project because all meta modules are better then base T1 mods. I do know know why these were made without trade offs to keep the base mod as a viable item. Why would I ever use a T1 when the compact is better in every single way? Cost. T1 modules are also necessary for building the T2 variants.
I would agree with cost if meta in most cases were not cheaper then T1. Also I am not in agreement that T1 is only useful for T2 production. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:19:45 -
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Fredric Wolf wrote:Querns wrote:Fredric Wolf wrote:I am still upset with the tiericide project because all meta modules are better then base T1 mods. I do know know why these were made without trade offs to keep the base mod as a viable item. Why would I ever use a T1 when the compact is better in every single way? Cost. T1 modules are also necessary for building the T2 variants. I would agree with cost if meta in most cases were not cheaper then T1. Also I am not in agreement that T1 is only useful for T2 production. Care to give some examples of mods whose meta variants are cheaper than T1?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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bigbillthaboss3
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:27:46 -
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There might need to be some theory crafting and thought put on the issue of people using these on citadels. As they can now scramble ships I see this as an issue popping up in the future.
I don't have an issue with it, just curious if the possible outcomes and scenarios have been run through regarding camping citadels. |
rhiload Feron-drake
Brotherhood of Purity
49
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:27:50 -
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rip
refitting to 100mn oversized AB's on all my ships now o7
p.s plz buff chameleon p.g/cpu and speed |
Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1416
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:28:25 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs This is by far the most meaningful and best part of the changes. +1,000,000 On a side note, do (scripted) Warp Disruption Field Generators benefit from Skirmish Warfare Links that increase point range? If not, they should do.
They do not. At least not according to EFT.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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