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Larkonis Trassler Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:03:00 - [121] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Show me once where I was crying, I called you out for what you are, a stab***** gone nano. I don't trust a lowlife such as you for anything so why would I come out to meet you on your terms? You just don't add anything to my world so I chose to ignore you, you were blocked did you not get that? You pat yourself on the back for taking out a few tacklers, some of whom a few days old, you the man! Was I patting myself on the back? No. At no point did any of your tackling frigs have points on them... seeing as I was stood off engaging at 40km dealing with your support before moving in, they could have warped off, in fact the only ship I popped that was scrambled was your nanoharbinger (OMG HAXPLOIT) which warped in seperate to the rest of your group obviously as a lure to then lead to the rest of you, but then ran in completely the opposite direction? Your point that several of your pilots were only a few days old is moot, they were still valid targets and you can't have your cake and eat it, adding them to your gang then crying foul when they die! I offered you out in a 'fair fight' with provisos that your corpmates could watch and gank me if I called in any of my corpmates. And calling me a lowlife... no need for that, proof that I'm dishonourable or STFU. Also let me remind you that you brought this to the forums by replying to my post. FYI I never fitted stabs on combat ships pre nerf (also I've been flying Nanophoons since before they were cool). Back to the case in point. If I spend hundreds of millions on a set up why should I succumb to the average BS? I like a challenge. A Nanophoon allows me to take on vastly superior numbers in situations I may or may not get out of yet at least I have a CHANCE which a normal BS facing a gank squad wouldn't have. If you coordinate your forces, have good command and control and adjust your fittings slightly then nanophoons are easy prey. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:08:00 - [122] OP- I think what is missed is that just because you have a hard time killing such ship does not mean it cant be killed. There are many ways to kill ships nowadays. New NPC NPC Market
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:11:00 - [123] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Danton Marcellus Show me once where I was crying, I called you out for what you are, a stab***** gone nano. I don't trust a lowlife such as you for anything so why would I come out to meet you on your terms? You just don't add anything to my world so I chose to ignore you, you were blocked did you not get that? You pat yourself on the back for taking out a few tacklers, some of whom a few days old, you the man! Was I patting myself on the back? No. At no point did any of your tackling frigs have points on them... seeing as I was stood off engaging at 40km dealing with your support before moving in, they could have warped off, in fact the only ship I popped that was scrambled was your nanoharbinger (OMG HAXPLOIT) which warped in seperate to the rest of your group obviously as a lure to then lead to the rest of you, but then ran in completely the opposite direction? Your point that several of your pilots were only a few days old is moot, they were still valid targets and you can't have your cake and eat it, adding them to your gang then crying foul when they die! I offered you out in a 'fair fight' with provisos that your corpmates could watch and gank me if I called in any of my corpmates. And calling me a lowlife... no need for that, proof that I'm dishonourable or STFU. Also let me remind you that you brought this to the forums by replying to my post. FYI I never fitted stabs on combat ships pre nerf (also I've been flying Nanophoons since before they were cool). Back to the case in point. If I spend hundreds of millions on a set up why should I succumb to the average BS? I like a challenge. A Nanophoon allows me to take on vastly superior numbers in situations I may or may not get out of yet at least I have a CHANCE which a normal BS facing a gank squad wouldn't have. If you coordinate your forces, have good command and control and adjust your fittings slightly then nanophoons are easy prey. They were never cool and you seem obsessed with crying, you might want to ask your therapist about that. I somehow doubt they're that easy to take down if you've invested so much money into one and the point stands, any ship that needs very specific counters to handle and way more manpower is imbalanced, you not seeing this is why I feel you add nothing to my world, let me throw some RP fairydust on you and your abomination 'begone subhuman!' Ourselves Alone
Riceball Wingding	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:11:00 - [124] The end is near.... We're all going to DIE!!!!!!!!
Larkonis Trassler Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:21:00 - [125] Originally by: Danton Marcellus They were never cool and you seem obsessed with crying, you might want to ask your therapist about that. I somehow doubt they're that easy to take down if you've invested so much money into one and the point stands, any ship that needs very specific counters to handle and way more manpower is imbalanced, you not seeing this is why I feel you add nothing to my world, let me throw some RP fairydust on you and your abomination 'begone subhuman!' Hmmm. Ships that need specific counters eh, way more man power eh. You mean something like a NOS Domi that you were flying last night... ALSO: Arazu/Lachesis... Fit sensor boosters or die. Curse/Pilgrim... Pile on those tracking mods and passive tanking gear! Falcon/Rook... ECCM and lots of it! Stand off interceptors, IE missile crows, rail ranis... Hope you got that heavy nos or a Minnie Recon! Motherships and titans... Dictor bubbles. God help you if you catch one in lowsec though... Believe it or not Nanophoons are easy to take down. But seeing as most of the people here are unable to look past the generic blob/gank cookie cutter PVP setups and tactics its obvious you won't figure it out. For a small squad it doesn't even require much in the way of fitting changes. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:23:00 - [126] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Danton Marcellus They were never cool and you seem obsessed with crying, you might want to ask your therapist about that. I somehow doubt they're that easy to take down if you've invested so much money into one and the point stands, any ship that needs very specific counters to handle and way more manpower is imbalanced, you not seeing this is why I feel you add nothing to my world, let me throw some RP fairydust on you and your abomination 'begone subhuman!' Hmmm. Ships that need specific counters eh, way more man power eh. You mean something like a NOS Domi that you were flying last night... ALSO: Arazu/Lachesis... Fit sensor boosters or die. Curse/Pilgrim... Pile on those tracking mods and passive tanking gear! Falcon/Rook... ECCM and lots of it! Stand off interceptors, IE missile crows, rail ranis... Hope you got that heavy nos or a Minnie Recon! Motherships and titans... Dictor bubbles. God help you if you catch one in lowsec though... Believe it or not Nanophoons are easy to take down. But seeing as most of the people here are unable to look past the generic blob/gank cookie cutter PVP setups and tactics its obvious you won't figure it out. For a small squad it doesn't even require much in the way of fitting changes. Oh we'll kill you yet, I'm looking forward to that crying session, still doesn't mean they're not imbalanced. Ourselves Alone
Larkonis Trassler Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:29:00 - [127] That's right, give in to your hatred... soon you will be one with the darkside! (Wait, wrong RP universe?) Good Luck, I hope we meet again in battle too. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:37:00 - [128] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar err... having a top speed in a frictionless environment ( ie space ) is just wrong in sooo many ways Space is not frictionless. The max speeds on EvE ships seem extreme but any space ship is going to have a max speed because of micrometers and what not. Even in deep space there is enough stuff floating around to fry a ship at sufficently high speeds. As for the super speed ships. Personally I like the idea of some setup for BS's that utilizes speed but like the old days with stacking MWD this is too much. Those kinds of speeds should be for Interceptors only. I'm sure considering how they've nerfed such setups in the past they'll do something to this one 6 months from now.
Karille Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:13:00 - [129] Hey everyone! i had this idea you might like to hear. Since the nanophoon is going so fast that nothing can catch it (yeahright), how about you get in your own nanophoon and go THE SAME SPEED and catch it and web it and help your friends kill it. Of course that doesn't make much sense when you refuse to admit that you're an idiot, but if you think for a while perhaps you can realize that it does.
Talasha Talaran	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:24:00 - [130] Actually I was one of the a few day old players that got killed at least once, probably twice or thrice in our little skirmishes around Boundless. I didnt care nor did I cry, Frigs fitted with unamed equipment are cheap and expandable. In the contrary I feel this war situation thrown on me <2 million sp noob, as an intresting and entertaining challenge. I saw a maxed out nanophoon in action, flown by a pilot that was to my judgement very capable, a nanophoon that was probably maxed out by expensive modules and yes this ship was unbalanced and only lost to human failure. Hybris is the fall of man... Any ship that can be setup in a way, that it can only be countered, by a few number of most difficult to access options is unbalanced. A ship that a pilot set up carefully, and that he invested a huge amount of SP and cash in, should be difficult to counter and able to stand against superior odds, but not be untouchable to anything beside 2 or 3 most specific setups. Capital Ships are a different story at all... I assume that the nanopoon problem is more servere in empire wars, as the only pain you can inflict on your enemy here is to destroy their ships. In deep 0.0 I would think, nanoships are less a problem, since you have other options to bring hurt to your enemy.
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:28:00 - [131] Actually I was one of the a few day old players that got killed at least once, probably twice or thrice in our little skirmishes around Boundless. I didnt care nor did I cry, Frigs fitted with unamed equipment are cheap and expandable. In the contrary I feel this war situation thrown on me <2 million sp noob, as an intresting and entertaining challenge. I saw a maxed out nanophoon in action, flown by a pilot that was to my judgement very capable, a nanophoon that was probably maxed out by expensive modules and yes this ship was unbalanced and only lost to human failure. Hybris is the fall of man... Any ship that can be setup in a way, that it can only be countered, by a few number of most difficult to access options is unbalanced. A ship that a pilot set up carefully, and that he invested a huge amount of SP and cash in, should be difficult to counter and able to stand against superior odds, but not be untouchable to anything beside 2 or 3 most specific setups. Capital Ships are a different story at all... I assume that the nanopoon problem is more servere in empire wars, as the only pain you can inflict on your enemy here is to destroy their ships. In deep 0.0 I would think, nanoships are less a problem, since you have other options to bring hurt to your enemy.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:29:00 - [132] I love how people keep saying "speeds like that should only be for intys." So that makes intys unkillable, since they can run away from anything. Just like Nanoships and vagabonds. I haven't met an inty that CAN'T catch my nanophoon yet... ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Larkonis Trassler Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:32:00 - [133] HAY GUYS! Guess what... today my Nanophoon was killed by a pair of BS... not a fleet and nerry a minnie Recon in sight. It was actually popped by two gents from RASA, but alas their CEO wasn't around to see their brilliant plan. Playing upon my own arrogance they had a lone BS within docking range of the station. I saw him and burned towards him with the intent of bumping him off. I did so... but whats this... can't move... Webber drones and webs from the ship... 3 of them. It can't be! Original thinking has slayed me! A domi popped out to shred me more efficiently. I de aggro'd and would have been able to dock were i not 300m outside of docking range :(. Props to you RASA (with the exception of your CEO, who is still an object of my contempt) May we have many more good fights. Congrats for constructing a plan to bring me down and implementing it well, it's only a shame 'tards stole your well earned lewt. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Talasha Talaran	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:16:00 - [134] "The quality of a man is not shown by his celebration of a victory, but his acceptance of defeat." Napoleon Respect to You. This doesnt disprove the critic on nanoships. Good Night :)
KenDoll	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:27:00 - [135] wether people think Nanophoon's/domi's are easy to take down or not it still remains a fact that its absurd to have Fleet battleships easy able to travel far faster than anything else in the game including interceptors. frankly anyone who even thinks it should be like it is has chosen the wrong mmo to play. the sight of seeing a bohemoth of a ship like the domi orbiting round an Interceptor at 5 times the max speed is REDICULOUS!!! soon enough every loner/asshat/griefer etc etc and his best friend are using this to engage 10x there numbers and are walking (wrong word maybe) away laughing, this game seems to become more like WoW on a monthly basis with all the quaker style ghame mechanics coming into play wether they be intentional or not
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:46:00 - [136] Edited by: Effei Gloom on 12/01/2007 03:43:50 jumm, BS going 3000m/s ?! how about getting a tackler with 4500m/s +? dont understand your probelm and... a BS with 6 nano isnt fleet fitted :)
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:46:00 - [137] Edited by: Effei Gloom on 12/01/2007 03:43:50 jumm, BS going 3000m/s ?! how about getting a tackler with 4500m/s +? dont understand your probelm and... a BS with 6 nano isnt fleet fitted :)
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:50:00 - [138] Originally by: KenDoll the sight of seeing a bohemoth of a ship like the domi orbiting round an Interceptor at 5 times the max speed is REDICULOUS!! i dont see your point, did the domi outrun the inty gun tracking or?
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:50:00 - [139] Originally by: KenDoll the sight of seeing a bohemoth of a ship like the domi orbiting round an Interceptor at 5 times the max speed is REDICULOUS!! i dont see your point, did the domi outrun the inty gun tracking or?
KenDoll	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:01:00 - [140] domi outran the interceptor.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:10:00 - [141] Originally by: Effei Gloom Edited by: Effei Gloom on 12/01/2007 03:43:50 jumm, BS going 3000m/s ?! how about getting a tackler with 4500m/s +? dont understand your probelm and... a BS with 6 nano isnt fleet fitted :) Try 7000m/s.
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:12:00 - [142] I chased down a nano'd vaga in my thorax with an MWD the other day. I think he was only using an AB though. God knows why. They're good, but if you can time your web right, they die awful quick. If you cant beat em, join em.
Larkonis Trassler Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:01:00 - [143] Originally by: KenDoll wether people think Nanophoon's/domi's are easy to take down or not it still remains a fact that its absurd to have Fleet battleships easy able to travel far faster than anything else in the game including interceptors. frankly anyone who even thinks it should be like it is has chosen the wrong mmo to play. the sight of seeing a bohemoth of a ship like the domi orbiting round an Interceptor at 5 times the max speed is REDICULOUS!!! soon enough every loner/asshat/griefer etc etc and his best friend are using this to engage 10x there numbers and are walking (wrong word maybe) away laughing, this game seems to become more like WoW on a monthly basis with all the quaker style ghame mechanics coming into play wether they be intentional or not An average fitted NanoBS will never outrun an average Inty. A fully specced NanoBS and pilot WILL outrun an average Inty A fully specced NanoBS and pilot will NEVER outrun a fully specced out Inty and Pilot. Problem? No. The idea that a NanoBS can take on such a large gang, inflict losses and survive is absurd. The BS will get no kills and be forced to flee, unless the fleet are complete idiots and are unable to keep the BS out of it's tackle zone. The ship is good for one thing and one thing only. Solo hunting and harrassmant/delaying of small enemy gangs. What I will often do with an inexperienced enemy is try and draw their tacklers away about 50-60km, NOS and WTF pwn them with light drones, often leaving other ships within the pack at my mercy/forcing them to flee. All it takes is a bit of innovative thinking and you're safe from these things. I fly shield tanked ships as well as armour tanked ships. All have their uses. If I'm going to slug it out with someone then I'll take my Raven or my Drake or whatever. If I know I'm probably going in well against the odds then I'll go out in my nanophoon so I don't get ganked (hopefully). ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 07:35:00 - [144] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Effei Gloom Edited by: Effei Gloom on 12/01/2007 03:43:50 jumm, BS going 3000m/s ?! how about getting a tackler with 4500m/s +? dont understand your probelm and... a BS with 6 nano isnt fleet fitted :) Try 7000m/s. If it's going 7000 m/s the pilot has snake implants and faction mods. As per the cry-vagabond-thread a month ago or so it's not the ship that's at fault then but faction mods/pirate implant sets. I suppose I should no longer be surprised stupid threads like this keeps popping up. Tantrumthreads is a word that comes to mind. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:09:00 - [145] Originally by: darklegionca quake is a fps you noob eve isnt going to be like it ever go back to wow mind you fighting the stogg would be kick ass And you need to go back to school or kill yourself, whichever you prefer. If I had to chose for you it would be the latter. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:56:00 - [146] It's fine. Stab ships/nano ships are the flavor of the month right now, as soon as you see more folks using these types of ships you will see more people countering. Yes it is annoying that they can't be caught, but thats what they were designed for. They have sub-par damage and no tanking ablilities. There are plenty of counters for this type of ship, as already described on this thread, you just need to buckle down and use some of those tactics. Hint: Start carrying a few webber drones.
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:07:00 - [147] If it was up to some people there'd be 3 ships and 20 modules in EVE. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Riessa DeVarii	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:29:00 - [148] A modestly intelligent nanophoon pilot is effectively unstoppable except by an error of hubris or a mirror match. Scrammed or surrounded by something called a 'warp bubble'? Just turn on the engines and mwd and you'll be out of scram reach by the time anyone notices you've uncloaked. Dampened? Just leave. Huginn? just leave. Interceptor waving across viewports? NOS him and leave him behind. Heavy/Cruise missiles? Laugh, 10 damage won't hurt if they can catch up to you at all. Everything else gets orbited at 25-30k and NOS'ed and cruise/torped into dust since YOU aren't the one having tracking issues. It's a one ship IWIN 99% stat padder. There is something wrong in playbalance in which a ship has all the easy answers to any small scale pvp equation that forces a counter requiring multiple opponents to be prepared in narrow, very particular ships, setups, and/or formations in order to counter. No one tech 1 ship should be that powerful. That's where the issue comes in, and will probably pass the way of the WCS in the end. Everything in a game has to have its counter in a proper, intended measure. It doesn't have to just exist, it has to be reasonable. Nanofiber stacking is just another wrinkle that CCP will iron out in due time. There are an astronomical number of possible ship configurations, and those which exhibit capabilities far in excess of what CCP intended will be fixed as they become apparent.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:33:00 - [149] What needs to be added is collision damage, getting bumped into the next week by these so called paperthin ships is a pain. Don't even bother to write something up to justify those occurances, bumping is and will remain the most immersionbreaking feature in the game.
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:34:00 - [150] Patiently Awaits Nanofiber & Inertia Stabilizer Nerfs Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot

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