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Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:24:00 - [1] nowdays there is a proliferation of nano ships lot of low skill point players (as well as high ones) can jump in a nanophoon nanodominix nano whatever ... and they became almost untouchable , no way for inty to web them , no way for dictors to buble them no way for a ganked bs (avg pvp fit) to defend itself against their speed + nos + drones + whatever they fit (usually missiles) this game is turning 'quake' way , while i think the developers where thinking about a balanced gameplay and long lasting engagements... can please the effect of nanofiber have stack penality as it happens with almost the other 'upgrade' or tank or damage modes?! i want to play eve not quake thanks Kalek
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:26:00 - [2] I sorta aggree. It is very daft to see a BS going 3000m/s. Its just wrong on so many levels. -----------------------------------------------
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:32:00 - [3] hands you flame proof suit Look, you got WCS's nerfed by whining, now hush there are plenty of ways to stop a nano'ed ship, interdict them so they can't warp, then web them if your tacklers can't reach them in the time it take even a mwd'ed bs to cross 20k they're poor tacklers. You've got to get used to the idea PVP isn't meant to be a solo player occupation any longer... dev's want team play. You just aren't going to get it all your way if a player doesn't have a chance of escaping they'll simply stop playing... you can't deny them a chance of escape otherwise you have a pointless pvp system Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Drokar Gazer Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:33:00 - [4] i agree.. stacking penalty like any other module. There is no reason any module in mids or lows should ever not have a stacking penalty. I do not believe the devs ever intended it to be the case. Also should be a penalty for multi - nos in highs, and non EW ships should have stacking penalty for fitting jammers. so /signed ________________________________________ Drokar Gazer Not the sig your looking for. Move along.
Enders Vaal Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:36:00 - [5] Having recently started a new character, I must say it isn't exactly as simple as you put it Sure, someone can jump into BC's really early if they rush for it But, being in a BC while it's nicely outfitted and can fly effectively, that is a whole other matter. I agree with the nano stack penality, we don't need BS's turning into mega-shuttles But besides that I think your point in making this thread is pretty mute -------------------------------------------------------
DR HK Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:37:00 - [6]
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:46:00 - [7] Aside from the usual, "Hey, I'm in a thread complaining about a ship that just owned the OP, lolz" what I'm really trying to understand is the connection between nanophoons and Quake. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:53:00 - [8] noobs circling vets really quickly and gunning them down while the lag protects them? ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Nikla Uthaan noobs circling vets really quickly and gunning them down while the lag protects them? How does the lag protect them? The only way the lag could protect them is if the lag prevented them from being able to activate their modules.
CoLe Blackblood Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 02:58:00 - [10] Lets make everyone fly the same ship with the same weapons and the same exact setups. Better yet we'll make them all twisted looking humans then we can all run around the same map and do fancy little kicks in the air. Then we can T-bag each other when we get headshots. That's ass. The nanoship forgoes ANY tank for speed and if you've ever been caught in one you go down quick, real quick. Eve is not a cookie cutter game and by trying to take away a very rare setup that does break the mold, in essence you are the one wanting to play quake so go pick up yer rocket launcher bub. CoLe Blackblood
Pussey Spankratchet	Posted - 2007.01.04 03:04:00 - [11] Nanophoons are paperthin and run out of cap fast unless fitted with a Cap injector and have loads of 800's. They are effective to a point but can be countered. A Raven fitted with cruise for example will chase them off or even if its fitted with precision torps. If you bring a stacking penalty out for nanos ppl will just put 4 nanos and 3 instabs on instead of the current 5 nano and 2 instab fitting which gives the optimal speed bonus with a mwd. So doing that won't really help much either. Also if you are upset by that what about the more common sight of Vagas with speed rigs and snake sets plus the lowslot mods going at speeds well in excess of 10km/s and not to mention the 2 crows I witnessed earlier today that were able to reach speeds of 26km/s. The bottom line is there is allways going to be some setup out of the norm that some people will allways use and p1ss ppl off. As for the "quake" analogy wtf have you been smoking everyone knows it's more like Grand theft auto!
ShadowKi Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.04 03:14:00 - [12] Edited by: ShadowKi on 04/01/2007 03:15:03 Would webber drones or a Huguinn work? (err whatever that minmatar ship with the webber range bonus is) Dual 90% webs and an inty would get the nano-er owned right?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.04 03:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Patch86 I sorta aggree. It is very daft to see a BS going 3000m/s. Its just wrong on so many levels. err... having a top speed in a frictionless environment ( ie space ) is just wrong in sooo many ways
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.04 03:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Pussey Spankratchet ...Vagas with speed rigs and snake sets plus the lowslot mods going at speeds well in excess of 10km/s and not to mention the 2 crows I witnessed earlier today that were able to reach speeds of 26km/s. Wha? WHA? WHA!?!?!?!? 26km/s you gotta be ****ting me! ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Quintus Sertorius Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Pussey Spankratchet Nanophoons are paperthin and run out of cap fast unless fitted with a Cap injector and have loads of 800's. They are effective to a point but can be countered. A Raven fitted with cruise for example will chase them off or even if its fitted with precision torps. If you bring a stacking penalty out for nanos ppl will just put 4 nanos and 3 instabs on instead of the current 5 nano and 2 instab fitting which gives the optimal speed bonus with a mwd. So doing that won't really help much either. Also if you are upset by that what about the more common sight of Vagas with speed rigs and snake sets plus the lowslot mods going at speeds well in excess of 10km/s and not to mention the 2 crows I witnessed earlier today that were able to reach speeds of 26km/s. The bottom line is there is allways going to be some setup out of the norm that some people will allways use and p1ss ppl off. As for the "quake" analogy wtf have you been smoking everyone knows it's more like Grand theft auto! Just a side note nanophoons done well go over 7k/sec :-) At that point they laugh at ravens :-)
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:01:00 - [16] Edited by: voogru on 04/01/2007 04:02:47 Originally by: Patch86 I sorta aggree. It is very daft to see a BS going 3000m/s. Its just wrong on so many levels. 3000m/s Thats it? Originally by: Quintus Sertorius Just a side note nanophoons done well go over 7k/sec :-) At that point they laugh at ravens :-) I laugh at everything.
Red Ethereal	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:04:00 - [17] Best MWD, inertia/overdrive injectors, gang bonus, max skills, snake implants, then that 5% implant... you could probably get any inty to go 20kms+
Imechal Ravpeim Amarr International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:05:00 - [18] I want a Macherial.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:07:00 - [19] nano fit ships are not hard to counter, just b/c you cant find one dont mean there is something wrong with nanos Signature removed due to inappropriate content. -Ivan K
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim I want a Macherial. convo me! 700mil
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Red Ethereal Best MWD, inertia/overdrive injectors, gang bonus, max skills, snake implants, then that 5% implant... you could probably get any inty to go 20kms+ hold it... either it's pg upgrades OR nanos/intertia stabs and even then you need the cap for a cruiser module... those info screens just show the theoretical max...
ReePeR McAllem Amarr The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:15:00 - [22] Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 04/01/2007 04:16:59 I agree Kalek bro, getting bumped 12km in a BC by a nanophoon is daft! Stacking pen 4tw /signed Ed. Cant type!!
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:17:00 - [23] Originally by: ShadowKi Edited by: ShadowKi on 04/01/2007 03:15:03 Would webber drones or a Huguinn work? (err whatever that minmatar ship with the webber range bonus is) Dual 90% webs and an inty would get the nano-er owned right? It works quite nicely in fact, but you really need the Recon skill high enough to get the best possible range.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:20:00 - [24] Oh cry me a river. So you just got wtf pawned? Get a friend in a vaga to counter him, there are so many ways, but I don't think you will grasp it anyways. -=====-
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Drokar Gazer i agree.. stacking penalty like any other module. There is no reason any module in mids or lows should ever not have a stacking penalty. I do not believe the devs ever intended it to be the case. Also should be a penalty for multi - nos in highs, and non EW ships should have stacking penalty for fitting jammers. so /signed There used to be no stacking penalty. For any module whatsoever. However, since people started experimenting with using a lot of the same modules (damage mods for example), they found that putting 6 heat sinks on a maller produced damage modifiers of 30 or more (iirc), something CCP never intended to happen (you'd expect people to balance their loadouts instead of going to extremes). So the penalties were introduced, first for damage mods, than for others aswell (hardeners for example, although i don't know whether there were actually hardeners at that point). CCP never intended for stacking penalties at the start, they just came along as a means to balance. Although, i hope they're not going to introduce them to passive cap rechargers :( EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
ReePeR McAllem Amarr The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:29:00 - [26] Originally by: MysticNZ Oh cry me a river. So you just got wtf pawned? Get a friend in a vaga to counter him, there are so many ways, but I don't think you will grasp it anyways. In an ideal world you can just click the 'backup uber fast nano fitted vaga' button, this is eve, you can't. Anyway alot of nanophoons can outrun standart pvp fitted Inties even....
OrangeAfroMan Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:38:00 - [27] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Originally by: MysticNZ Oh cry me a river. So you just got wtf pawned? Get a friend in a vaga to counter him, there are so many ways, but I don't think you will grasp it anyways. In an ideal world you can just click the 'backup uber fast nano fitted vaga' button, this is eve, you can't. Anyway alot of nanophoons can outrun standart pvp fitted Inties even.... We're talking about a max skilled/fit Typhoon, therefore we talk about max skilled/fit Interceptors and Vagabonds. Nano ships are hardly the omfgwin that people make them out to be. An easy example is if you, in your leet nanophoon of pwnness, happen to land out of warp on someone with a web. Bye bye.
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:43:00 - [28] as has been said tacklers make a difference everyone tho likes to fly BS so these ships are effective due to gang laziness in a general sense
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 04:55:00 - [29] "WAAH! NERF ANYTHING I CANNOT COUNTER!!!" [OMG! SMASH!]
Anna Grahm	Posted - 2007.01.04 06:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Kalek Astroth nowdays there is a proliferation of nano ships lot of low skill point players (as well as high ones) can jump in a nanophoon nanodominix nano whatever ... and they became almost untouchable , no way for inty to web them , no way for dictors to buble them no way for a ganked bs (avg pvp fit) to defend itself against their speed + nos + drones + whatever they fit (usually missiles) this game is turning 'quake' way , while i think the developers where thinking about a balanced gameplay and long lasting engagements... can please the effect of nanofiber have stack penality as it happens with almost the other 'upgrade' or tank or damage modes?! i want to play eve not quake thanks Kalek How about stacking penalties for having multiple weapon systems. How about... loss of effectiveness of missile launchers: Each launcher reduces the rate of fire and damage by 50%. Same for turrets. Having more than one tractor beam reduces the effective range by 50%... Sounds good by your book.

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