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 KIAEddZ    |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:47:00 -
[1] Sooooooo. As some of you know, if you read my post the other day, my account was hacked, and about 150 million of assets was taken/destroyed. :( The gms sorted this (although the new Raven I have needs the insurance my old one had please meester GM) The very next night (2 days ago) far worse happened. But it would seem, at the same time as getting my password, they also managed to get the password for KIAGumpys account, one of our production/refining accounts used by me and the directors only. This account had access to all 7 Corp hangars. So I can only assume the same people that hacked my account originally, gave out the pass to someone whos account wasnt banned, and these people, logged in as gumpy, took EVERYTHING of any value that KIA owned (Minerals, blueprints, expensive and many many rare items, in fact cleaned out hangars 2-7, leaving only the low end loot in hangar 1), put it into haulers that we also built and owned, took it ouside the station, and blew it all up. Must of taken them quite some time. Well over 3 billion in assets gone, aswell as many ships (basically whatever they could find to destroy that would hurt us), and just as importantly, KIAGumpy now has virtually bugger all skill points (used to be 3+ million, on all the important to corp skills), due to the maliciousness of these people. This was and is a personal attack on KIA? Why? We really honestly don't have a clue, we played this game honourably, enjoyed oursleves, and havent ever done anything to **** people off to this magnitude, so we thought. What does this mean for KIA? Well we are in the hands, as is our subscriptions, of the gms. If we cannot get back what we have lost, it will be the end of KIA as we know it now, certainly we will lose 4/5 of our members on principal alone, with only a couple staying on maybe in another corp. This is a very very sad week for us, and for us completely and totally gutting. Nothing more can be said other than this is an unprovoked attack, on a corp that imho didnt deserve anything of this sort, i hope it is personal based, and not because of our personas in game, and what we have done for the NVA etc. Because if it is game based, that would just be plain ridicululous. To those involvedin these actions, and we now think its very likely to be a small group of people that shared this pass around, congratulations, You may get your wish, but tbh you are nothing but pathetic. If anyone knows ANYTHING about this, please contact me in game, or on my email [email protected], with complete and total confidentiality of course. Financial rewards for information (real or ingame), are not out of the question if it leads to answers to how this has happened. Rgds Peter Edwards - KIAEddZ - CEO KIA Corp. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
 Ariell Lucinwind |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:53:00 -
[2] ..............<<speechless>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P |
 Miso |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:53:00 -
[3] This is absolutely ridiculous. Im very sorry to hear about this. I thought we'd hit the bottom with the last hack, but this really does take the biscuit. Good luck getting your stuff back, and I hope CCP sort this out fast. Miso x -------------------------------------------- Dead |
 Braccas |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:54:00 -
[4] I really feel for you.  But...did at any time came to your mind that MAYBE someone of your own folks could have done this? |
Temujin Destovai |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:54:00 -
[5] Ouch guys, this is really so low its undescribable. Whoever did this is infact a pityful individual who shouldnt be playing this game. I hope the GMs help KIA recover these assets so that you guys can get under way again asap. Im just confused as why you didnt change your password after the inital hack :o The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Wren |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:55:00 -
[6] News like this just makes me feel sick inside. I am out of words to describe how disgusted I am for people who would do this. -------------------------------------------------- |
Jexter |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:59:00 -
[7] This is so sad, leaves us Jokers speechless. Hopefully the GMs will refund you completely, I cannot see why they shouldn't. By logging the IPs they should see that the person that blew up all your stuff is a different one from the original owner of the account. In the case they won't you can count on the Jokers help to get back on track guys, with the little that we can do (on OOC basis of course) Regards, |
 Toulak |
Posted - 2003.12.02 10:59:00 -
[8] This is ludicrous, theres some real sad gits about, all over a game.. I hope your happy whoever done this, cause uve just ****** up several peoples game, for what?  CCP do the right thing and help em again, give their stuff back because no way in hell do KIA deserved this, and I hope you find out who done it and ban the folk permantly. Regards Toulak |
Tyrrax Thorrk |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:03:00 -
[9] ???? |
Avirex II |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:06:00 -
[10] This is sad... I'm really sorry, K.I.A. is one of the most honest corps I've dealt with. I hope that whoever is responsible for this lame and absurd attack will suffer heavy consequences... I have no other words for this..  ---------------------- Avirex II Jokers Corp |
 Homo Erectus |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:10:00 -
[11] i have much respect for kia. i hope you dont give up. find the fgts who did this, and sue the f out of them, oog. |
 Nicholas Marshal |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:10:00 -
[12] I think CCP will do the right thing in this case. At the least, KIA should have all their items returned. |
Toastmaster |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:10:00 -
[13] You should really do something about that trojan you got that sends the passwords to them "viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once" |
 DREAMWORKS |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:11:00 -
[14] People should be banned from _every_ online game if they were caught on hacking an account. Also i hope CCP sends an email to there providers abuse department. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
 Renox |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:13:00 -
[15] This is as low as it gets. KIA corp are as honest as they come. I hope whoever did this get's caught and prosecuted for hacking. " While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting |
 KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:17:00 -
[16] Braccas KIA arent your normal Corp. We are all Real Life friends, most of us live very close, and we all see each other very reguarly, at lans etc. Most of the guys in my corp I have known for 4 years +, and would trust em with my sister let alone a few online assets. And the previous hacker was proven to be a member of a well known pirate corp, and his account was banned, he obviously has friends who also play this game though. ; Temujin. All Main character accounts were changed instantly, but Gumpys was forgotten, to our detrement, as hes only ever used to produce refine and haul for the corp, and his "owner" (KIAInkz) hasnt been online much for a few days, otherwise he would of been changed already had it occurred to us. A Mistake yes, a very very regrettable one, but i somehow get the feeling that this wouldnt of stopped the people that want us gone, for whatever the reasons are, they would of just hacked another account. I can only assume they either have a random pass generator or are getting isnside info from 1 of a couple of sources: us (unthinkable tbh, but still a possibilty) Gms(?) length Password type Avg. time to ***** on 1.2 GHz PC Code:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- any english word 0.03 seconds any english word with digit appended or prepended 0.66 seconds 7 random digits 3.3 seconds 5 random lower case letters 4 seconds 5 random lower case letters/digits 20 seconds 5 random mixed case letters/digits 5 minutes 6 random mixed case letters/digits 5 hours 7 random mixed case letters/digits 14 days 8 random mixed case letters/digits 2.3 years 8 random letters/digits/punctuation 70 years 10 random letters/digits/punctuation 600 000 years -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously times may be different to the above if ccp do login throttling, and taking bandwidth into account... They didnt take/sell/hide/stash/give away the stuff we had, they just took it into space, and blew it all up. Crazy or malicous, either way, very gutting. ;( ;( http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
 Indigo Seqi |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:20:00 -
[17] What the ****? I would so like to resort to physical solutions when encountering this loser in RL. And I don't friggin care if this is an RL threat. godieplzthxkkbye |
Varia |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:21:00 -
[18] Sorry hear that, I hope it get solved for you. On the subject of hacking, I decided to upgrade my firewall/antivirus software this weekend. Installed/patched and ran a full scannedąąöWarning Trojan backdoor virus detectedö OMG, well just a warning for you all and I thought I was pretty safe, well I was wrong. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition. |
j0sephine |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:28:00 -
[19] "Crazy or malicous, either way, very gutting. ;( ;(" ... Redefining the limits of human stupidity, imo. Really hope CCP acts as swift about this one as they did the last time. :/ |
KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:29:00 -
[20] tmaster, all of our PCs were checked for Trojans and key Loggers the moment the first hack attack on my account happened. And many of us are behind hardware firewalls. We ahve had NO success locating the source of these peoples information. This is inherently our problem ;( If we could find them Homo, trust us, we wouldnt take this lying down. As for CCP, no decision has been made yet, it has been passed to a senior GM 2 days ago, for further investigation. We really hope for some resolution soon. And an answer to as how this is happeneing would be really good. These people have broken the law, banning their accounts is not enough in my corps opinion, we would like to see it go much further than that (assuming CCP are willing to help us with the ip addresses of the people responsible etc). http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
 Braccas |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:32:00 -
[21] Edited by: Braccas on 02/12/2003 11:35:23 KIAEddZ - I get your point, couldn¦t know the details. I¦m lucky to have almost similar circumstances, so no offense m8. I just wanted to make sure you considered it. And still: "I can only assume they either have a random pass generator or are getting isnside info from 1 of a couple of sources: us (unthinkable tbh, but still a possibilty)" |
Miso |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:33:00 -
[22] TBH, this has now entered the realms of prosecution. CCP need to hand over all IP addresses to the police and KIA should think about legal action against the perpetrators. -------------------------------------------- Dead |
Thrak |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:38:00 -
[23] To put it simply, it was most likely the actions of the same guy who did the original hack. If not by him then initiated by him. Hacker-esque peeps are ridiculously proud little individuals, and getting him banned will have hurt his pathetic ego. So now he just goes and proves how sad he REALLY is |
Karol Kei |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:43:00 -
[24] Edited by: Karol Kei on 02/12/2003 11:54:12 This is just sad in so many senses. I am very sorry for your you. [snipped]Some info you apparently already have. Good luck.[/snipped] Again, I am sorry for your troubles, nonetheless. |
toccz |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:44:00 -
[25] Hope CCP can solve this for you, I really want KIA Corp in Eve! |
SirMolle |
Posted - 2003.12.02 11:56:00 -
[26] First of all, for KIA, respect. You play the game as it should be played, and you do it with lots of guts and glory. Secondly, i do believe CCP will track this down, and "fix it". That is my belief. Thirdly, if they can't fix it, come speak to me. I refuse to let KIA disappear due to something this lame. Forthly, whoever did this, needs to be dragged out into the street, naked, and then dragged after a car for 2 miles. 'nuff said. |
Omber Zombie |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:02:00 -
[27] This is disgraceful and should never happen. I hope you get your stuff back and I hope the guy that did this gets leprosy and loses his fingers. ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI I have a blog |
Jarjar |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:07:00 -
[28] Damn, this is sad. KIA seems to be such a nice corp, IC and OOC. I condider scamming in-game lame but acceptable, but doing it this way is nothing but disgraceful and sick. I hope you get your stuff back, it'd truly suck to see you all leave. |
darth solo |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:16:00 -
[29] If any of the Gms are looking at this post, which i really do think they should b. Heres what should happen. A. they should replace all the items that were stolen and destroyed, i think we can trust KIA corp not to lie. B. The skill points should b replaced. C. CCP should take it further, hacking is a criminal act. D. they should give us all the address of the card holder, then anyone close to them can visit their house and kick the absolute crap out of them. Ok  , maybe not D, but if it means keeping these guys playing our game, CCP should give in to all their requests, we need guys like this playing the game.it will only b a lesser game without them, CCP sort it out now please, or ill pod ya all, grrrrrr. |
Mutara Nebula |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:23:00 -
[30] Just one thought: people acting this way should deserve a nice, lenghty beating. Irl of course. I'd love to see them trying to hack someone with their arms broken. *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo playing aspects. *********************************************************************************** |
drunkenmaster |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:35:00 -
[31] someone needs their ******* balls cut off for this. Commiserations to KIA, I know you guys are cool. I just can't see why anyone would want to do this. I hope the guys with the buttons can sort it out for you. |
Jebba IV |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:49:00 -
[32] no offense intended and it sucks that it happend but it sounds abit playboyish |
Zodiac Laserstorm |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:54:00 -
[33] *watches the mobs get whipped up in a rage* *coughcough* I'm not saying Kia-Corp is to be set on the same level. BUT please, all you "CCP NEEDS TO DO.." and "THE GMS SHOULD" and all the others generally *screaming for blood* people, how about we wait for more info, wait for things to get sorted... And in the meantime, lean back and remember the "Grande Playboy Corp" theft, that got us all worked up so badly, had us screeching for CCP's blood and so on, and so forth... ? Just an idea. |
 Maud Dib |
Posted - 2003.12.02 12:59:00 -
[34] Eddz you guys need anything you let me know and tell InkZ to get his carebear ass back on the veldspar.  |
Jake Pliskin |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:01:00 -
[35] i know you said you checked for spyware and keyloggers, you gotta check often. i won't list brands, plenty of spyware checking programs available, i was shocked to find a number of keyloggers and a couple diallers on my system. i have my firewall configured up, and yet these pests still get through from time to time. hope these hackers get traced. I know we're talking virtual objects inside a computer game here, but it's no fun, when people put so much time and effort into it, to have an idiot(s) ruin it all |
Lianhaun |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:03:00 -
[36] I hope you can find the spirit to be a part of this 'wonderfull' community, I can imagine this will give it all a bitter taste, but if you can find the will to keep on playing...more respect to you. Will miss you guys if you decide to quit, but it wont be a surprise. *cuddles* This is not a hijack |
Monty Burns |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:21:00 -
[37] Surely all the database transfers must of been logged ... who were they transfered to? Have they been trashed? What times? What IP address? What about any sort of records in your own Wallet, ya know Fred sold to Harry etc? So many ways to track this down and gather up info. Im sure you have thought of them :-) Best of luck to all in KIA, I don't have much but you guys can have it if it helps :-) Good luck |
 Deneba Zaavi |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:34:00 -
[38] Woha... This is really sad... i'm almost speechless.:( How low one can go (i mean... this is a video game ok?) I join the choir of my corpmates in the blaming of such a pathetic gesture... Deneba Zaavi "The world is perfect as it is: a complete mess" - Joseph Campbell |
Anla Shok |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:43:00 -
[39] Edited by: Anla Shok on 02/12/2003 13:45:47 damn, this is bad, i am really sorry for you guys. i like you and your corp, everyone i have met from KIA. i hope you can get back what you lost. people who act in such ways are a waste of space, i despise them with every piece of hate i have in me. i hope they are caught. if you need anything just tell me.. |
 Reptar |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:54:00 -
[40] thats really bad, i feel sorry for u guys, i hope whoever does this gets shot. |
 Raven DeBlade |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:55:00 -
[41] KIAHicks, whatever happens we will help you also, no way we will see you guys stranded and bare. Of course CCP will do something, what the people did is an criminal act. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" "Any statements made above this line are my persona" |
limpy bint |
Posted - 2003.12.02 13:58:00 -
[42] OMG I thought corp thieves were low!!! This is probably the most malicious act I have heard of in eve, truly no logic behind it. If he has access to your logins would that give him access to your financial information? If so you/CCP might want to consider taken Miso advice. I hope you get this worked out soon, and the b*stard that did it gets whats coming to him. limpy bint |
Kizz |
Posted - 2003.12.02 14:05:00 -
[43] If it is down to hackers, who are the lowest form of human scum, they should be hung, drawn and quartered |
Othnark |
Posted - 2003.12.02 14:42:00 -
[44] Wow, corp hangar raided and all assets blown up for no apparent reason. This truly is a horrifying turn of events. I sympathize. One question for all the people expecting the GMs to "do whats right".... all of this is predicated on IP logging or something like that. Im no expert by any means, but it seems to me, that just because I log on to my account from a different location doesnt mean my account was hacked. Im planing on doing just this when i take a 3 week vacation in the States....What happens if CCP shows that it was just one or two login attempts from a different location than normal? Does this really mean hacking occured? "...KIAGumpys account, one of our production/refining accounts used by me and the directors only. This account had access to all 7 Corp hangars." Errm, isnt it explicitly forbidden to share accounts for exactly this reason? Technically the KIA guys are in violation of their EULAs.... I dont know what affect that would/should have on the GMs. Maybe there is a lesson here? All around this is a terrible turn of events. I hope things do work out for you though so you can keep on doin it for the ladeez.... good luck -Othnark |
Leitari |
Posted - 2003.12.02 15:16:00 -
[45] Im just so stunned after reading that..... KIA is probably one of the few corporations in EVE that I truly respect. GM's should see that if they do not replace your items and skillpoints that they will loose a valueable customer. I hope the support you get here will make the GM's think twice before saying "go fu** yourselves"   |
DigitalCommunist |
Posted - 2003.12.02 15:49:00 -
[46] 99.9% certain it's the original hacker and his buddies that did this. in the WORST case scenario.. - hackers spoofed their IP's this time and there's no way to track them, or CCP has ****ty logs and they can't track the IP in the first place but overall I truly believe that CCP will do the right thing, this if left unresolved goes much further for killing EVE's reputation than any exploit kiddies or scammers. no one wants to play a game where hackers are let off scott free. Just sit tight for a few days, let GM's do their thing and try to remember that out of thousands and thousands of subscribers, you will always have one or two willing to take the game to a new low with OOC maliciousness its unlucky that after 6 months your corp was targetted. like I said, just sit tight and wait a few days dont even have thoughts of quitting because this is what the law-breaking fool WANTS if you quit, he WINS, he has SUCCEEDED in making you crumble. if you "ride the wave" out, get your stuff back eventually, you send a stronger message that you're above his lame ploys and that he's cost you but a few days of your time, while it has cost him his main account, and quite possibly RL legal issues. if they find this person, sue the **** out of him there is no excuse for this _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
DB Preacher |
Posted - 2003.12.02 15:57:00 -
[47] KIA corp, my sympathies go with you and as you know I feel disgusted that anyone would stoop so low as to completely trash your corp like this. I hope those bastards get caught and jailed for such a heinous crime. This is a game, we are supposed to be having fun. People who destroy people's fun have no place in life. I hope whoever is responsible is reading this thread feels sick to the stomach with what you have done. You are nothing more than a theif, a coward and I wouldnt **** on you if you were on fire. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums. |
Gaius Kador |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:04:00 -
[48] My deepest sympathies go to KIA corp. For once im lost for words, this is pure disaster. CCP whatever you can do to right this wrong, you better do it. ---------------------------------------------- |
Athule Snanm |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:11:00 -
[49]
I agree completely, having read the full facts now it's clearly related to the original banning of XXXX (not putting his name here in case the thread gets locked). To top it all it's not even corp theft, just spoiling behaviour. Never mind KIA, CCP should really get tough on whoever did this and bring in the authorities in whatever country it was done from. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene! |
Hazara Khan |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:14:00 -
[50] Woe! Woe! Woe! To return in triumph from planetside furlough to such devastating news would challenge the fortitude of many lesser men. But I am not called "The Mighty One" for nothing. The resources of The Haphazard Bazaar are at your disposal, EddZ. Contact my loyal minion, Ralimenua, if there's anything he can do for you. CEO, Grand Pasha and Mighty One Hazara Khan's Haphazard Bazaar The Finest Camels in all EVE! O0o=------------------+------------------=o0O |
Sebastian Cole |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:19:00 -
[51] Damn that is rough. I have a lot of respect for the KIA Corp. We fought together in one war, and against each other in another, but through it all we treated each other with respect. I hope the GMs replace your stuff, and prosecute whoever did this to you. Where am I? |
Jovin Ketils |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:28:00 -
[52] Sorry to hear about your loss, I hope you manage to get it back. I hope these imbecil hackers will receive a lenghty fedo rectal exam along with a healthy dose of rl legal issues. CCP, would it make sense to into other authentication schemes, as opposed to plain password auth. IP Address restrictions, or one-time-use challenge phrase along with the standard password might be a solution, non? Sadly, we seem to hear from these kinds of issues again and again. *hugs* Love, Jovin |
Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:32:00 -
[53] Eddz - be sure that ourselves and others can work to get KIA corp back on their feet no matter what the outcome. Your corp has a lot of friends out there in space... don't forget that. |
Ashton Black |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:36:00 -
[54] Posting this as my main (I normally post under my alt!) Well KIA have been the one corp the NO-ONE has ever said a bad word against. They are tough, determined fighters who do not deserve this treatment. I hope this can be resolved. I for one will do anything I can to help you guys. Do not quit.. hang in there! |
Shamrock |
Posted - 2003.12.02 16:53:00 -
[55] damn man, this is wacked. please be strong guys and don't let this kill ya'll off. i really hope the gm's get ya'll back on your feet atleast. you guys are very cool and most in evolution that know you guys think the same and have much respect for kia. Shamrock |
Artegg |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:00:00 -
[56] Guys this really sucks. I have got to know you all over the last 3 months in the NVA and i consider you all to be really good mates, As you already know i will any thing that i can to help you as you already know. Eddz you can not go because then i will not have a raven to kick the crap out of Inkz you can not go because who will come play in our blackbirds with me. Stumpy you are a 1 man mining machine the veldspar in EVe would grow way to fast with out you around to contain it. Hicks you just rock and are keep us all incheck atm Rushy what can i say except Wales has nice sheep. All of you guys have to stay. You go then i go with you |
Bizarre |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:05:00 -
[57] This is really sad. I remember the hacking attempts in PA, which already disgusted me. But this is an alltime low. They basicly ruined your entire gaming experience for no apparent reason. I sure hope you guys aren't quitting. When we were rivals in Venal you stood strong and had the guts to fight us, for which I can only show respect. Keep going strong KIA. Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN? |
Tibor Ferenc |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:12:00 -
[58] There is some real ******* scum around. Anyone who has any info pls come forward to the authorities or CCP. Tibor. m0o. http://mmogcenter.com/tiborsig.jpg |
dalman |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:27:00 -
[59] I both hope and think that CCP will solve this for you. And yes, legal action should be taken against whoever did it. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Archain |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:30:00 -
[60] That's complete and total crap! If someone needs to stoop to that level in a GAME, they seriously need to get checked out. KIA is one of the best corporations out there, their sheer willpower alone is insane. I don't understand why someone would vandalize anything on any of their accounts. Here's hoping that one way or another the losses are recovered. It just amazes me when I see the lengths people will go to in order to effect situations in a GAME. KIAEddZ, please let us know how this turns out. I seriously don't want to see any of you guys leaving because of this ******. Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD] |
Archon Stormrage |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:33:00 -
[61] Its absolutely disgusting and was obviously done to spite you, as seen by the destruction of the property. Hope you get the stuff back from CCP, good luck KIA. If you have the Stumpy I know then good luck more so and ask him where Rougie went. |
 Archon Stormrage Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:33:00 -
[62] Its absolutely disgusting and was obviously done to spite you, as seen by the destruction of the property. Hope you get the stuff back from CCP, good luck KIA. If you have the Stumpy I know then good luck more so and ask him where Rougie went. |
Robeyone |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:35:00 -
[63] Edited by: Robeyone on 02/12/2003 17:37:06 KIA, We have been fighting together and mining Veldspar together now for a long time and I hate to see things like this happen to people in game but when it is your friends it ****es us off even more. You know that RONA will be there for you guys no matter what. We will help KIA in anyway necessary. I would hate to see any of you leave. It was always fun blowing up InkZ's Blackbirds and Frigates outside of 6N! If anything you guys were great clay pidgeons  You will be missed. Not that it won't keep you from invading our Teamspeak server or RONA invading yours.  Hats of to you guys. KIA Rocks (And Mines Rocks as Well)  http://www.ronacorp.com |
 Robeyone Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.02 17:35:00 -
[64] Edited by: Robeyone on 02/12/2003 17:37:06 KIA, We have been fighting together and mining Veldspar together now for a long time and I hate to see things like this happen to people in game but when it is your friends it ****es us off even more. You know that RONA will be there for you guys no matter what. We will help KIA in anyway necessary. I would hate to see any of you leave. It was always fun blowing up InkZ's Blackbirds and Frigates outside of 6N! If anything you guys were great clay pidgeons You will be missed. Not that it won't keep you from invading our Teamspeak server or RONA invading yours. Hats of to you guys. KIA Rocks (And Mines Rocks as Well) www.eve-ronacorp.com |
Agent Shield |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:14:00 -
[65]
Ok, I read the initial post and read all the followups; but the way I see it is.... Someone found out your user log in name and your user log in password; thus granting them access to that account's privelidges. Then they also found out the user log in name and password of another account, is this really possible to guess at 2 accounts the combinations used to get in? My question is how are the GMs responsible to replace the happenings that were done? It was not the GMs who did anything, it was the player's account that was hacked that has the responsibility here. I am no computer expert, but it just seems like a chore to sit at a terminal and try every combination of user log in names with a new password combination for a long time before it WORKS, and Voila!, they are in. Is this what happened? Or is there software out there now that one can use to try every combination of log in names and log in passwords and set it to run indefinitely until the right combination works? I doubt this, as what is the first combination User Name: a and Password: a; wrong; try next combination of User Name: a and Password: b, etc... This would take forever. I am just participating here as devil's advocate, but I can see that the hacker would need to try every combination of log in name and log in password to get in, or they had help from inside by knowing one of the combinations first such as the login name or the password. Just guessing, but I don't think players actually use their in-game character name as their user log on code as that would just make it easier for a hacker as then they only need the password. Not being a computer expert, I find it hard to believe someone would sit at a console and try this continually just to get into someone's account. No, I am not calling you a liar, it may have happened as you say. I just don't see how the GMs are involved for a fix to this when it is the end user who gave away their account information, was lax in sa***uarding their username and password, or as you say a hacker was smart enough to figure it all out. If it was an outside game event that caused this, I hope you find the person who did it. Definitely time to change log in information on all accounts you hold if you are prone to another attack in the future. If they can get into your game information, can they get into your real life systems? Agent Shield |
 Agent Shield Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:14:00 -
[66]
Ok, I read the initial post and read all the followups; but the way I see it is.... Someone found out your user log in name and your user log in password; thus granting them access to that account's privelidges. Then they also found out the user log in name and password of another account, is this really possible to guess at 2 accounts the combinations used to get in? My question is how are the GMs responsible to replace the happenings that were done? It was not the GMs who did anything, it was the player's account that was hacked that has the responsibility here. I am no computer expert, but it just seems like a chore to sit at a terminal and try every combination of user log in names with a new password combination for a long time before it WORKS, and Voila!, they are in. Is this what happened? Or is there software out there now that one can use to try every combination of log in names and log in passwords and set it to run indefinitely until the right combination works? I doubt this, as what is the first combination User Name: a and Password: a; wrong; try next combination of User Name: a and Password: b, etc... This would take forever. I am just participating here as devil's advocate, but I can see that the hacker would need to try every combination of log in name and log in password to get in, or they had help from inside by knowing one of the combinations first such as the login name or the password. Just guessing, but I don't think players actually use their in-game character name as their user log on code as that would just make it easier for a hacker as then they only need the password. Not being a computer expert, I find it hard to believe someone would sit at a console and try this continually just to get into someone's account. No, I am not calling you a liar, it may have happened as you say. I just don't see how the GMs are involved for a fix to this when it is the end user who gave away their account information, was lax in sa***uarding their username and password, or as you say a hacker was smart enough to figure it all out. If it was an outside game event that caused this, I hope you find the person who did it. Definitely time to change log in information on all accounts you hold if you are prone to another attack in the future. If they can get into your game information, can they get into your real life systems? Agent Shield |
Halseth Durn |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:17:00 -
[67] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 02/12/2003 18:19:40 My sympathies to the great guys in KIA. This is about as low as anyone can get. CCP, LISTEN UP Now is the time to do the right thing, turn your CS image around, and return any item/skill/ISK lost durring this flagrant act of vandalism. Believe me, you dont want to loose these kinds of players. If there is anything Oberon can do to help, just ask. To the forces that the NVA are at war with: Your support for KIA here on the forum is "classy". To give them a wide birth in space until this is all sorted would be most "admirable". P.S. Agent Shield, Shut the hell up. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
 Halseth Durn Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:17:00 -
[68] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 02/12/2003 18:19:40 My sympathies to the great guys in KIA. This is about as low as anyone can get. CCP, LISTEN UP Now is the time to do the right thing, turn your CS image around, and return any item/skill/ISK lost durring this flagrant act of vandalism. Believe me, you dont want to loose these kinds of players. If there is anything Oberon can do to help, just ask. To the forces that the NVA are at war with: Your support for KIA here on the forum is "classy". To give them a wide birth in space until this is all sorted would be most "admirable". P.S. Agent Shield, Shut the hell up. |
Shock |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:25:00 -
[69] I always though corpthieving was the lowest possible action in this game, but appearently it can even go lower then that. CCP you are losing players... fast!!! --- soonÖ |
 Shock Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:25:00 -
[70] I always though corpthieving was the lowest possible action in this game, but appearently it can even go lower then that. CCP you are losing players... fast!!! --- soonÖ |
KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:32:00 -
[71] Agent Shield, I do understand your pov, but I can assure you, lax with our passwords is one thing we havent been. And in no way are CCP responsible afawk, that said, what has happened is clearly a breach of normal actions, and imo the blatant vandalism that has been committed ooc upon KIA has to be resolved. CCP can see that no KIA member has been involved, by the ip/isp logging. CCP have done nothing wrong (other than taking just a little bit too long to come back to us), and KIA are not suggesting that they have. We just want our stuff back, and the people responsible prosecuted to the full length of the law enables. I am hopefull that that will be the resolution. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
 KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:32:00 -
[72] Agent Shield, I do understand your pov, but I can assure you, lax with our passwords is one thing we havent been. And in no way are CCP responsible afawk, that said, what has happened is clearly a breach of normal actions, and imo the blatant vandalism that has been committed ooc upon KIA has to be resolved. CCP can see that no KIA member has been involved, by the ip/isp logging. CCP have done nothing wrong (other than taking just a little bit too long to come back to us), and KIA are not suggesting that they have. We just want our stuff back, and the people responsible prosecuted to the full length of the law enables. I am hopefull that that will be the resolution. KIA EVE Home |
Othnark |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:39:00 -
[73] I dont know what you think IP logging is going to prove. But if anything less than 5 or so attempts were made on your account from an "unusual" IP address and ISP, you pretty much got nothing. -Othnark |
 Othnark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:39:00 -
[74] I dont know what you think IP logging is going to prove. But if anything less than 5 or so attempts were made on your account from an "unusual" IP address and ISP, you pretty much got nothing. |
Xen0 |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:43:00 -
[75] OMFG, those hackers shall die, or just be brought to justice. I hope your corp prevails through this time of loss -=/Bah\=- |
 Xen0 Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:43:00 -
[76] OMFG, those hackers shall die, or just be brought to justice. I hope your corp prevails through this time of loss -=/Bah\=- |
ZzeusS |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:51:00 -
[77] Edited by: ZzeusS on 02/12/2003 18:56:06
There are any number of ways an account could have been compromised. 1. Sniffing the same network as the hacked gamer - trolling for EVE login packets would be trivial once you sniffed your own and knew what to look for. It would take forever, and you would have to be on the same collision domain (subnet), pretty unlikely scenario. You'd have to just 'get lucky'. 2. Computer was trojaned. Once your PC was trojaned, it would be simple to snag the EVE login info, IF you had it cached for login. TONS of MMOG accounts get compromised this way. 3. Brute forcing player logins. It would be trivial to set up a bruteforce program with a huge wordlist to hack away on someone's account. Does EVE have a password fail lockout timer? You certainly wouldn't need the GUI for anything. You'd just the player ID, port, pass good response and pass fail response. Since again you could sniff your own login to find out what was a good login and bad login, would be trivial to drop that in the bruteforce program. Is the local login and password cached on the client anywhere? Is it encrypted? I dunno, I never tried to hack the client.
Depends. If the hacked user was sharing account information, and it was due to the users insecurity that lost them their stuff, then CCP is not liable. However, if the account was hacked from the outside, then that's a computer crime, and CCP would have to investigate and/or do forensic work. Whether or not they would reimburse the player for lost items is up to them; I would hope they would. If the login proxy was compromised, well that's just a bad deal all around. Pretty unlikely that happened. Most likely it was one trojaned system, and the hacker aquired everyone elses account info from that one system.
I am. There are any number of programs out there, windows, unix, mac, what have you, that make brute forcing login credentials trivially easy. It ALL depends on what CCP's login proxy does with failed logins, and whether or not they log the infomation. Source can be spoofed, proxies can be used, I wouldn't really try to back hack to the hackers origin - that would be a waste of time unless they were stupid. Probably the best thing to do would be set a policy on the server where 3 failed logins locks the account for 30 minutes or something. Or even make them call customer service. If there is NO account lockout mechanism in place, depending on the OS, brute forcers can hit anywhere from 100 to 300 passwords a second. At 23 hours a day, and if you have a 700+mb wordlist... how many times do you change your password? Just takes time.
You would be surprised. I wouldn't say just because someone plays a space MMOG that they are any more likely to practice good computer security. Heck, the forums list everyone's accounts for them.
That's probably what happened, as it is what usually happens, just the other way around. I would be interested to know if EVE sends other clients IP information to users once you encounter them in local space, or not. As a side note, I can sniff Windows passowords on a local LAN, and depending on what version of NTLM they use, snag the hashes for offsite cra.cking. A dual Xeon 2.8 HT system does about 10k passwords a second, and that's not even getting into distributed crac.kers... |
 ZzeusS Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.12.02 18:51:00 -
[78] Edited by: ZzeusS on 02/12/2003 18:56:06
There are any number of ways an account could have been compromised. 1. Sniffing the same network as the hacked gamer - trolling for EVE login packets would be trivial once you sniffed your own and knew what to look for. It would take forever, and you would have to be on the same collision domain (subnet), pretty unlikely scenario. You'd have to just 'get lucky'. 2. Computer was trojaned. Once your PC was trojaned, it would be simple to snag the EVE login info, IF you had it cached for login. TONS of MMOG accounts get compromised this way. 3. Brute forcing player logins. It would be trivial to set up a bruteforce program with a huge wordlist to hack away on someone's account. Does EVE have a password fail lockout timer? You certainly wouldn't need the GUI for anything. You'd just the player ID, port, pass good response and pass fail response. Since again you could sniff your own login to find out what was a good login and bad login, would be trivial to drop that in the bruteforce program. Is the local login and password cached on the client anywhere? Is it encrypted? I dunno, I never tried to hack the client.
Depends. If the hacked user was sharing account information, and it was due to the users insecurity that lost them their stuff, then CCP is not liable. However, if the account was hacked from the outside, then that's a computer crime, and CCP would have to investigate and/or do forensic work. Whether or not they would reimburse the player for lost items is up to them; I would hope they would. If the login proxy was compromised, well that's just a bad deal all around. Pretty unlikely that happened. Most likely it was one trojaned system, and the hacker aquired everyone elses account info from that one system.
I am. There are any number of programs out there, windows, unix, mac, what have you, that make brute forcing login credentials trivially easy. It ALL depends on what CCP's login proxy does with failed logins, and whether or not they log the infomation. Source can be spoofed, proxies can be used, I wouldn't really try to back hack to the hackers origin - that would be a waste of time unless they were stupid. Probably the best thing to do would be set a policy on the server where 3 failed logins locks the account for 30 minutes or something. Or even make them call customer service. If there is NO account lockout mechanism in place, depending on the OS, brute forcers can hit anywhere from 100 to 300 passwords a second. At 23 hours a day, and if you have a 700+mb wordlist... how many times do you change your password? Just takes time.
You would be surprised. I wouldn't say just because someone plays a space MMOG that they are any more likely to practice good computer security. Heck, the forums list everyone's accounts for them.
That's probably what happened, as it is what usually happens, just the other way around. I would be interested to know if EVE sends other clients IP information to users once you encounter them in local space, or not. As a side note, I can sniff Windows passowords on a local LAN, and depending on what version of NTLM they use, snag the hashes for offsite cra.cking. A dual Xeon 2.8 HT system does about 10k passwords a second, and that's not even getting into distributed crac.kers... |
Red Six |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:38:00 -
[79] Edited by: Red Six on 03/12/2003 07:27:16 I can think of about 3 other ways to get login info that aren't mentioned here. I'm not going to mention those methods so I don't give anyone further ideas. Sadly, crap like this is part of the reason I format and reinstall my OS about every other month. It's way to easy to slip in spyware. Call me paraniod, but even for something like this I use a complex password thats nine characters in length. KIA - Never ran across you guys in space but from what I've read on the boards you guys seem like good people. Sorry this had to happen to you. |
 Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:38:00 -
[80] Edited by: Red Six on 03/12/2003 07:27:16 I can think of about 3 other ways to get login info that aren't mentioned here. I'm not going to mention those methods so I don't give anyone further ideas. Sadly, crap like this is part of the reason I format and reinstall my OS about every other month. It's way to easy to slip in spyware. Call me paraniod, but even for something like this I use a complex password thats nine characters in length. KIA - Never ran across you guys in space but from what I've read on the boards you guys seem like good people. Sorry this had to happen to you.
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Heff |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:51:00 -
[81] CCP does have logs they can check to see which IP address was used when a log-in was established. The perps may have used a proxy but CCP should be able to determine where the log-in was initiated. It should be relatively clear that it wasn't you. |
 Heff Playboy Enterprises |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:51:00 -
[82] CCP does have logs they can check to see which IP address was used when a log-in was established. The perps may have used a proxy but CCP should be able to determine where the log-in was initiated. It should be relatively clear that it wasn't you. |
Bad Harlequin |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:55:00 -
[83] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 02/12/2003 20:07:26 edit: lack of password-change-age has been explained. I hope the rest of y'all take this harsh lesson to heart, tho... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
 Bad Harlequin Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2003.12.02 19:55:00 -
[84] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 02/12/2003 20:07:26 edit: lack of password-change-age has been explained. I hope the rest of y'all take this harsh lesson to heart, tho... |
Rohann |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:00:00 -
[85] Wow I wonder who would have done such a malicious thing? Who did you guys make so mad? Who did you keep from their mining that would do such a thing? |
 Rohann Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:00:00 -
[86] Wow I wonder who would have done such a malicious thing? Who did you guys make so mad? Who did you keep from their mining that would do such a thing? |
Bad Harlequin |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:05:00 -
[87]
see, this is where you should have stopped. I'm sorry but the rest of what you typed made me cringe. I fail to understand why you felt the need to dump on someone who was the victim of a ridiculous attack when by your own admission you haven't the first farking idea what you're talking about? You think THAT was harsh, just wait until Jash sees you...  You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:05:00 -
[88]
see, this is where you should have stopped. I'm sorry but the rest of what you typed made me cringe. I fail to understand why you felt the need to dump on someone who was the victim of a ridiculous attack when by your own admission you haven't the first farking idea what you're talking about? You think THAT was harsh, just wait until Jash sees you... |
WarElf |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:07:00 -
[89] Oh my god... This is madness... Who would do something like this!!?? CCP should/better replace your stuff. Or else i may stop playing, the risks are too high otherwise. This really TICKS me off. I have known KIA sinse like... my 1st month of playing. If they leave it is going to be dull and not fun for me and several others as well. ~WarElf Occassus Republica |
 WarElf Star Fishers INC |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:07:00 -
[90] Oh my god... This is madness... Who would do something like this!!?? CCP should/better replace your stuff. Or else i may stop playing, the risks are too high otherwise. This really TICKS me off. I have known KIA sinse like... my 1st month of playing. If they leave it is going to be dull and not fun for me and several others as well. |
Rohann |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:08:00 -
[91] Edited by: Rohann on 02/12/2003 20:14:57 Eve has just been taken to a whole new level. Break out yer honeypots ppl!!!!! |
Rohann Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:08:00 -
[92] Edited by: Rohann on 02/12/2003 20:14:57 Eve has just been taken to a whole new level. Break out yer honeypots ppl!!!!! |
Omniwar |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:14:00 -
[93] Few weeks/months ago at was written here on these forums that it was possible to hack the forums and get login name and password of the peaple who are active on the forums at the time. I dont know if that is possible anymore or if that is cookie based. |
 Omniwar Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:14:00 -
[94] Few weeks/months ago at was written here on these forums that it was possible to hack the forums and get login name and password of the peaple who are active on the forums at the time. I dont know if that is possible anymore or if that is cookie based. |
Rohann |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:22:00 -
[95] Edited by: Rohann on 02/12/2003 20:28:15
Dood your an idiot. If it shows that each account has a specific ip address in which they were logged onto then KIA could give ccp their ip addresses then match them against the one used to do this "heinous" deed. However the person if smarter than the average dumbass 16 year old learning to use a port scanner may have used a proxy which then will be very, very hard to pinpoint who did it. Specially if it was done at a University tech lab or someones workplace. Most have hardware firewalls that wont even allow you to ping them. So Othnark shut up and save grace m8. BTW LOL KIA |
Rohann Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:22:00 -
[96] Edited by: Rohann on 02/12/2003 20:28:15
Dood your an idiot. If it shows that each account has a specific ip address in which they were logged onto then KIA could give ccp their ip addresses then match them against the one used to do this "heinous" deed. However the person if smarter than the average dumbass 16 year old learning to use a port scanner may have used a proxy which then will be very, very hard to pinpoint who did it. Specially if it was done at a University tech lab or someones workplace. Most have hardware firewalls that wont even allow you to ping them. So Othnark shut up and save grace m8. BTW LOL KIA |
Abandon AllHope |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:52:00 -
[97] Sorry to hear about this, KIA. Hopefully CCP will restore your accounts to their previous glory! (I'd add "quickly" but I think that has already passed...) -AA |
 Abandon AllHope Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2003.12.02 20:52:00 -
[98] Sorry to hear about this, KIA. Hopefully CCP will restore your accounts to their previous glory! (I'd add "quickly" but I think that has already passed...) -AA |
Cyrus Bishop |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:03:00 -
[99] The fact that all the items were blown up points firmly in the direction of a personal gripe. That being the case, I think it would be entirely appropriate for CCP to release home addresses if they can ever track these ass clowns down so that we might personally deliver an ass kicking. It may also be appropriate for the KIA members to keep us abrest of what CCP says in regard to their item replacement. If a negative answer comes back I propose that we begin a KIA ISK drive. I have had no contact with KIA in-game, but I would hate to see good, dedicated players quit on principal alone. Cheers and good luck. "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
 Cyrus Bishop Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:03:00 -
[100] The fact that all the items were blown up points firmly in the direction of a personal gripe. That being the case, I think it would be entirely appropriate for CCP to release home addresses if they can ever track these ass clowns down so that we might personally deliver an ass kicking. It may also be appropriate for the KIA members to keep us abrest of what CCP says in regard to their item replacement. If a negative answer comes back I propose that we begin a KIA ISK drive. I have had no contact with KIA in-game, but I would hate to see good, dedicated players quit on principal alone. Cheers and good luck. "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Kane Jacobs |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:15:00 -
[101] I was sad to hear about the first hack incident over the nva channel, when I heard about the second I just got outraged... Keep your spirits up KIA Im sure ccp will resolve this. If I can help in any way you know where to find me.... _______________________________________________ |
 Kane Jacobs North Star Networks Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:15:00 -
[102] I was sad to hear about the first hack incident over the nva channel, when I heard about the second I just got outraged... Keep your spirits up KIA Im sure ccp will resolve this. If I can help in any way you know where to find me.... |
Rohann |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:19:00 -
[103] I'm sure it will get resolved soon(TM). |
Rohann Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:19:00 -
[104] I'm sure it will get resolved soon(TM). |
Agent Shield |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:33:00 -
[105]
Thank you for the civil discussion. I have one more question. How do you know everything was taken outside and blown up? I didn't see how you would know this part unless the one who did it told you they did or someone saw it happen. Agent Shield |
Agent Shield Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:33:00 -
[106]
Thank you for the civil discussion. I have one more question. How do you know everything was taken outside and blown up? I didn't see how you would know this part unless the one who did it told you they did or someone saw it happen. Agent Shield |
Omniwar |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:44:00 -
[107]
Very good point Agent Shield and it should be answered or else peaple might think that KIA member had just pulled a playboy  They said them selfs that several peaple had access to that account, and that alone should make them receve a warning or a ban, since that is against the EULA. |
Omniwar Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:44:00 -
[108]
Very good point Agent Shield and it should be answered or else peaple might think that KIA member had just pulled a playboy They said them selfs that several peaple had access to that account, and that alone should make them receve a warning or a ban, since that is against the EULA. |
Ariell Lucinwind |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:49:00 -
[109] As I recall something like this happened in EVE Beta at one stage. As it turned out, the user of the account used the same log on name and password in EVE as they do on forumsand some one picked it up from there. The account could of been guessed or picked up from anywheres, but I thought I might just add in that information. Still a bummer on your loss but..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P |
KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:49:00 -
[110] One of our non director members saw him blowing up ships outside station. He thought mistakenly, that this was either me or Inkbatz (flatmates, and share the accon costs and use for the corps good) doing it for some unknown, but none the less, valid as directors of corp reason. When we discovered everything missing next day, and no trades done by Gumpy in his transactions etc, we kinda put 2 n 2 together. We not only do not know what a "playboy is", it dont really sound like the sort of thing we go in for. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
 Ariell Lucinwind Gallente |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:49:00 -
[111] As I recall something like this happened in EVE Beta at one stage. As it turned out, the user of the account used the same log on name and password in EVE as they do on forumsand some one picked it up from there. The account could of been guessed or picked up from anywheres, but I thought I might just add in that information. Still a bummer on your loss but..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P |
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.02 21:49:00 -
[112] One of our non director members saw him blowing up ships outside station. He thought mistakenly, that this was either me or Inkbatz (flatmates, and share the accon costs and use for the corps good) doing it for some unknown, but none the less, valid as directors of corp reason. When we discovered everything missing next day, and no trades done by Gumpy in his transactions etc, we kinda put 2 n 2 together. We not only do not know what a "playboy is", it dont really sound like the sort of thing we go in for. KIA EVE Home |
Halo Jones |
Posted - 2003.12.02 22:13:00 -
[113] This is poo news KIA guys, bad luck. You'll bounce back, I am sure the GMs will fix this, as they will spot the IP errors, repalcing the charcter and his skill pints howevere might be considerably more difficult for them. Oberon Incorporated. |
 Halo Jones Caldari Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems |
Posted - 2003.12.02 22:13:00 -
[114] This is poo news KIA guys, bad luck. You'll bounce back, I am sure the GMs will fix this, as they will spot the IP errors, repalcing the charcter and his skill pints howevere might be considerably more difficult for them. Oberon Carrier and Dreadnought Sales! |
Werlii |
Posted - 2003.12.02 22:36:00 -
[115] Sorry to hear somthing like this! Just keep going and this will be resolved quickly i hope! "No One Can Hear You Scream In Space" |
 Werlii Minmatar CRICE Corporation |
Posted - 2003.12.02 22:36:00 -
[116] Sorry to hear somthing like this! Just keep going and this will be resolved quickly i hope! "No One Can Hear You Scream In Space" |
J3tt |
Posted - 2003.12.02 23:35:00 -
[117] sorry KIA hope you get your shat back ----------------------------------------- Can your pod outrun a cruise missle? |
 J3tt Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. |
Posted - 2003.12.02 23:35:00 -
[118] sorry KIA hope you get your shat back ----------------------------------------- Can your pod outrun a cruise missle? |
Cormyat Astara |
Posted - 2003.12.03 00:00:00 -
[119] Not that it makes any difference, but if KIA doesn't get this resolved, I'll cancel my own account. CCP cannot allow their customers' efforts to be destroyed oog. That can't happen. If it is allowed to happen, then we are all at risk of being screwed over because of a grudge. There's plenty of other ways to waste time...why bother with Eve if CCP is going to allow some malicious pr1ck to totally dump on other players this way. One other thing, KIA...if people can sell their assets on E-Bay for real money, then this individual has actually caused you a material loss. In other words, the time you spent accumulating those assets (and experience points) has monetary value. I realize none of you would ever sell an account or asset on E-Bay (which I think borders on an exploit in and of itself), but the point is that the person who did this committed a real oog crime besides just hacking your account. Okay, maybe it's a stretch...but anyone who would do something this totally lame should have to worryy about more than having his or her account banned. |
 Cormyat Astara Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.12.03 00:00:00 -
[120] Not that it makes any difference, but if KIA doesn't get this resolved, I'll cancel my own account. CCP cannot allow their customers' efforts to be destroyed oog. That can't happen. If it is allowed to happen, then we are all at risk of being screwed over because of a grudge. There's plenty of other ways to waste time...why bother with Eve if CCP is going to allow some malicious pr1ck to totally dump on other players this way. One other thing, KIA...if people can sell their assets on E-Bay for real money, then this individual has actually caused you a material loss. In other words, the time you spent accumulating those assets (and experience points) has monetary value. I realize none of you would ever sell an account or asset on E-Bay (which I think borders on an exploit in and of itself), but the point is that the person who did this committed a real oog crime besides just hacking your account. Okay, maybe it's a stretch...but anyone who would do something this totally lame should have to worryy about more than having his or her account banned. |
KIAInkZ |
Posted - 2003.12.03 00:29:00 -
[121] Edited by: KIAInkZ on 03/12/2003 00:30:41 I really don't understand the mentality of people. I hope whoever hacked my account realises that their actions could have real life concequences. EddZ and Stumpy live just down the road from me, and are good real life friends, so it's not uncommon for me to log in over there. KIADalehead saw Gumpy undocking and blowing multiple ships up (all haulers), so we assume at this time that this person filled the ships up with all the corp assets, and my personal assets, including all corp blueprints (most well researched), and personally, an apoc 1 run with 100% of the minerals ready to build it (hours of my work). I will not let this lie, and I will make sure to the best of my ability that this person suffers real life consequences. EddZ and I used to run a halflife deathmatch league (which is still running, but not by us anymore) and are used to dealing with 15 year kids who somehow get RCON on a server and cause damage, and I can guarentee that most of the time it involves them begging for mercy so their parents don't find out. I wasn't going to post here, CCP are looking into it as we speak, but I would like to encourage people to double check their machines for keyloggers, viruses, trojans etc, and do so on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure it's the original person, and even if it's not, thats a good enough person to get our pound of flesh from. CCP hold all your account details, so you think it's going to be really hard for the authorities to find out who you are? Messing an EVE account is one thing, but compromising a computer system is totally another. I suggest if you're reading this you have a little look here, you may need to know all this very soon: COMPUTER MISUSE ACT This is the last I'll post here. I'm not as bothered about the in game items as I am about the violation of privacy. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk |
 KIAInkZ Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.03 00:29:00 -
[122] Edited by: KIAInkZ on 03/12/2003 00:30:41 I really don't understand the mentality of people. I hope whoever hacked my account realises that their actions could have real life concequences. EddZ and Stumpy live just down the road from me, and are good real life friends, so it's not uncommon for me to log in over there. KIADalehead saw Gumpy undocking and blowing multiple ships up (all haulers), so we assume at this time that this person filled the ships up with all the corp assets, and my personal assets, including all corp blueprints (most well researched), and personally, an apoc 1 run with 100% of the minerals ready to build it (hours of my work). I will not let this lie, and I will make sure to the best of my ability that this person suffers real life consequences. EddZ and I used to run a halflife deathmatch league (which is still running, but not by us anymore) and are used to dealing with 15 year kids who somehow get RCON on a server and cause damage, and I can guarentee that most of the time it involves them begging for mercy so their parents don't find out. I wasn't going to post here, CCP are looking into it as we speak, but I would like to encourage people to double check their machines for keyloggers, viruses, trojans etc, and do so on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure it's the original person, and even if it's not, thats a good enough person to get our pound of flesh from. CCP hold all your account details, so you think it's going to be really hard for the authorities to find out who you are? Messing an EVE account is one thing, but compromising a computer system is totally another. I suggest if you're reading this you have a little look here, you may need to know all this very soon: COMPUTER MISUSE ACT This is the last I'll post here. I'm not as bothered about the in game items as I am about the violation of privacy. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk |
Cyrus Bishop |
Posted - 2003.12.03 04:09:00 -
[123]
You should do what their parents should have when they were 6 and break your foot off in their ass. "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Cyrus Bishop Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.03 04:09:00 -
[124]
You should do what their parents should have when they were 6 and break your foot off in their ass. "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Negotiator |
Posted - 2003.12.03 04:55:00 -
[125] hmmmm KIA dont quit the game guys. you have a lot of friends and people that respect you, and even if CCP will not replace what you have lost, i'm sure you wont be left emptyhanded. Continue to update us on this please, as i would be willing to support any of the KIA Restoration Funds or anything else that u would need. As for the person, i hope you press charges and the guy goes to jail or is put on computer probation and will not be allowed to come close to a keyboard for the rest of his life. |
 Negotiator Coerce Inc X-PACT |
Posted - 2003.12.03 04:55:00 -
[126] hmmmm KIA dont quit the game guys. you have a lot of friends and people that respect you, and even if CCP will not replace what you have lost, i'm sure you wont be left emptyhanded. Continue to update us on this please, as i would be willing to support any of the KIA Restoration Funds or anything else that u would need. As for the person, i hope you press charges and the guy goes to jail or is put on computer probation and will not be allowed to come close to a keyboard for the rest of his life. |
AntiHero |
Posted - 2003.12.03 06:13:00 -
[127] This is not meant as a joke, but do any of your girlfriends have knowledge of your acct/pass info? I know my woman would do something like this if she did. --- |
 AntiHero Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.12.03 06:13:00 -
[128] This is not meant as a joke, but do any of your girlfriends have knowledge of your acct/pass info? I know my woman would do something like this if she did. --- |
Acks |
Posted - 2003.12.03 07:16:00 -
[129] Edited by: Acks on 03/12/2003 07:19:31 MAn I was so shocked when You guys told me about this on teamspeak the day it happened! I want to add you guys cant let these punk kids or adults whom are lacking any form of common sense get you down, WHen I lost my tempest to 3 obviously better prepared pilots On the way back in my podd Stumpy whom I had barely known offered me a scorp to use so I could go make enuff isk farming or what have you and he also loaned me the isk to fully insure it, I was to say the least impressed and felt greatly honored that any one of you whom I regard very highly, to offer something of that magnitude. You guys as a previous poster stated play this game with strength and honor. And As Artegg stated if you guys go I go to but we cant let that happen now can we I love to hate this game so I will be a permanent figure with in it. And I would hope you guys decide to do the same no matter what ccp decides. You guys will come out on top as usuall. Strength and Honor! |
 Acks Minmatar RONA Corporation |
Posted - 2003.12.03 07:16:00 -
[130] Edited by: Acks on 03/12/2003 07:19:31 MAn I was so shocked when You guys told me about this on teamspeak the day it happened! I want to add you guys cant let these punk kids or adults whom are lacking any form of common sense get you down, WHen I lost my tempest to 3 obviously better prepared pilots On the way back in my podd Stumpy whom I had barely known offered me a scorp to use so I could go make enuff isk farming or what have you and he also loaned me the isk to fully insure it, I was to say the least impressed and felt greatly honored that any one of you whom I regard very highly, to offer something of that magnitude. You guys as a previous poster stated play this game with strength and honor. And As Artegg stated if you guys go I go to but we cant let that happen now can we I love to hate this game so I will be a permanent figure with in it. And I would hope you guys decide to do the same no matter what ccp decides. You guys will come out on top as usuall. Strength and Honor! |
Tevel Geikon |
Posted - 2003.12.03 10:18:00 -
[131] Edited by: Tevel Geikon on 03/12/2003 10:19:34 That's really the lowest one can sink to with his actions in a game like this. Whoever did this has surely shown the most immature behaviour possible and I'm not sure if I don't do unjustice to all the immature people out there. Our corp never had dealings with KIA so far but all I ever heared about you confirms what everybody else here already said. If you need any help please feel free to contact me. We are only a small corp which is finding it's place in the market at the moment but I'm sure we can find a way. I for myself could help you out with research services for free in case you don't get your stuff back and the skill points of your science character are not restored (that is if you don't have another one of course ;) ). Or you could get maximum run BP copies from or BPs to get you on your feet again. Whatever it is, just contact me and I'm sure we will work something out. Good luck to you and don't leave the game. You are the kind of people EVE so desperately needs. *edit for typos* Tevel Geikon Director of Science - EVEs GHSTS EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division ___________ Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously. Albert Einstein |
 Tevel Geikon Caldari Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.12.03 10:18:00 -
[132] Edited by: Tevel Geikon on 03/12/2003 10:19:34 That's really the lowest one can sink to with his actions in a game like this. Whoever did this has surely shown the most immature behaviour possible and I'm not sure if I don't do unjustice to all the immature people out there. Our corp never had dealings with KIA so far but all I ever heared about you confirms what everybody else here already said. If you need any help please feel free to contact me. We are only a small corp which is finding it's place in the market at the moment but I'm sure we can find a way. I for myself could help you out with research services for free in case you don't get your stuff back and the skill points of your science character are not restored (that is if you don't have another one of course ;) ). Or you could get maximum run BP copies from or BPs to get you on your feet again. Whatever it is, just contact me and I'm sure we will work something out. Good luck to you and don't leave the game. You are the kind of people EVE so desperately needs. *edit for typos* Tevel Geikon Director of Science - EVEs GHSTS EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division ___________ Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously. Albert Einstein |
Tarfu |
Posted - 2003.12.03 11:09:00 -
[133] Edited by: Tarfu on 03/12/2003 11:14:57 KIAEddZ, At the end of downtime I will transfer 500k isk to you, Its not much, but its all I can afford. I hope it helps. --------------------------------------------- Si vis pacem para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war. |
 Tarfu Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.03 11:09:00 -
[134] Edited by: Tarfu on 03/12/2003 11:14:57 KIAEddZ, At the end of downtime I will transfer 500k isk to you, Its not much, but its all I can afford. I hope it helps. --------------------------------------------- I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it. |
KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.03 11:53:00 -
[135] Tarfu. Please do not do that, it is unneccesary at this juncture for sure, and most liely unnecessary full stop. Your gesture is both kind of heart and honourable, but it s not the solution to this problem. ISK wealth is not a massive problem for KIA, we are not bankrupt or default, we still have battleships and weapons. We lost our future in this mishap (of course we are still in hope that ccp will fix it), not our present. Again thank you muchly for your offer, but keep it. Buy a new gun and go kill a pirate. :) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.03 11:53:00 -
[136] Tarfu. Please do not do that, it is unneccesary at this juncture for sure, and most liely unnecessary full stop. Your gesture is both kind of heart and honourable, but it s not the solution to this problem. ISK wealth is not a massive problem for KIA, we are not bankrupt or default, we still have battleships and weapons. We lost our future in this mishap (of course we are still in hope that ccp will fix it), not our present. Again thank you muchly for your offer, but keep it. Buy a new gun and go kill a pirate. :) KIA EVE Home |
Xenovetica |
Posted - 2003.12.03 12:00:00 -
[137] My condolences. I hope an IP is found in the log, and that the asshat who did this trips and hangs his eyelid on a rusted nail. |
 Xenovetica Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.12.03 12:00:00 -
[138] My condolences. I hope an IP is found in the log, and that the asshat who did this trips and hangs his eyelid on a rusted nail. |
Moph |
Posted - 2003.12.03 12:03:00 -
[139] Oh my I don't know what to say :( Can't CCP track hackers IPs ? It is a criminal act on large scale. even I am totally short on ISK, because made them for quite a long time.. I say... <thumbs up> - FOR 'KIA-RESTORATION FOUNDATION'  |
 Moph Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.03 12:03:00 -
[140] Oh my I don't know what to say :( Can't CCP track hackers IPs ? It is a criminal act on large scale. even I am totally short on ISK, because made them for quite a long time.. I say... <thumbs up> - FOR 'KIA-RESTORATION FOUNDATION' |
Jiraiya |
Posted - 2003.12.03 13:13:00 -
[141] You have my deepest sympaties, I hope you find the one(s) responsible, and that CCP reimburse you back to where you were before the incident. Our society really has no need for people doing such acts. |
 Jiraiya Amarr |
Posted - 2003.12.03 13:13:00 -
[142] You have my deepest sympaties, I hope you find the one(s) responsible, and that CCP reimburse you back to where you were before the incident. Our society really has no need for people doing such acts. |
wamingo |
Posted - 2003.12.03 13:47:00 -
[143] Whatever you do, don't quit, because if you do the hacker(s) will have won. -- I won't not promise to avoid refraining from harming you! .... What? |
 wamingo Amarr |
Posted - 2003.12.03 13:47:00 -
[144] Whatever you do, don't quit, because if you do the hacker(s) will have won. -- I won't not promise to avoid refraining from harming you! .... What? |
Cochise |
Posted - 2003.12.03 14:04:00 -
[145] We at 20th Legion want you at KIA to know we will do anything possible to lend a hand in the issues involved in getting you back too square. Just say the word and were there!!!!! This will indeed be a good test to see how the CCP guys check out on their loyalty to their Customers. I as well as all of us need to watch very close to what their response is on this. It will determine my future plans to Play or Not play the game as Im sure it will many others. Nuff Said  |
 Cochise Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.03 14:04:00 -
[146] We at 20th Legion want you at KIA to know we will do anything possible to lend a hand in the issues involved in getting you back too square. Just say the word and were there!!!!! This will indeed be a good test to see how the CCP guys check out on their loyalty to their Customers. I as well as all of us need to watch very close to what their response is on this. It will determine my future plans to Play or Not play the game as Im sure it will many others. Nuff Said |
Jade Constantine |
Posted - 2003.12.03 14:14:00 -
[147] I agree with the "don't leave it lets the hackers win" sentiment. End of the day, stuff is just stuff. Personality and reputation and legend is all that counts in these game environments. They may have blown up your stuff, but they have done nothing to dent the mystique of KIA corp and its role in formulative NVA history. Ultimately your heartarche and suffering in this will hopefully help ccp to ban some todger-less tosspieces from the game and patch up some security holes so that other people don't have to undergo this horrid violation. I know you have big hearts. The battle isn't over yet. Love and peace JF Public Forum |
 Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2003.12.03 14:14:00 -
[148] I agree with the "don't leave it lets the hackers win" sentiment. End of the day, stuff is just stuff. Personality and reputation and legend is all that counts in these game environments. They may have blown up your stuff, but they have done nothing to dent the mystique of KIA corp and its role in formulative NVA history. Ultimately your heartarche and suffering in this will hopefully help ccp to ban some todger-less tosspieces from the game and patch up some security holes so that other people don't have to undergo this horrid violation. I know you have big hearts. The battle isn't over yet. Love and peace JF Public Forum |
Commander Jones |
Posted - 2003.12.03 15:03:00 -
[149] IMHO the people that did this to you guys should get banned forever from playing MMORPGs, by some proper legal action. Last time I checked hacking was a rather serious crime in most western countries. "trespassers will be shot and fed to the rotweilers" "You end up paying good money for the sort of treatment you ancestors spent their short, brutal lives trying to avoid. That's progress" |
 Commander Jones Gallente Archon Industries |
Posted - 2003.12.03 15:03:00 -
[150] IMHO the people that did this to you guys should get banned forever from playing MMORPGs, by some proper legal action. Last time I checked hacking was a rather serious crime in most western countries. "trespassers will be shot and fed to the rotweilers" "You end up paying good money for the sort of treatment you ancestors spent their short, brutal lives trying to avoid. That's progress" |
Moph |
Posted - 2003.12.03 18:34:00 -
[151] I wonder if there will be official CCP response on that matter  |
Moph Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.03 18:34:00 -
[152] I wonder if there will be official CCP response on that matter |
Viceroy |
Posted - 2003.12.03 18:42:00 -
[153] Wow that sux. noone, especially a corp like KIA doesnt deserve this. I hope you get back on your feet asap! |
 Viceroy Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.03 18:42:00 -
[154] Wow that sux. noone, especially a corp like KIA doesnt deserve this. I hope you get back on your feet asap! |
ga'ia |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:00:00 -
[155] Edited by: ga'ia on 03/12/2003 20:04:59 Things like this is just to much...dont know what to say..just so god damn lame ! Oh, and I think the right term its "c.r.a.c.k.er".. not hacker. A hacker exploit/do stuff to learn about it which doesnt really cause any harm, where the c.r.a.c.k.er do it just to cause harm. So c.r.a.c.k.er is also hacker but hacker is just hacker...(damn filter, its without the . everywhere ofcourse..) __________________________________________________________ |
 ga'ia Caldari |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:00:00 -
[156] Edited by: ga'ia on 03/12/2003 20:04:59 Things like this is just to much...dont know what to say..just so god damn lame ! Oh, and I think the right term its "c.r.a.c.k.er".. not hacker. A hacker exploit/do stuff to learn about it which doesnt really cause any harm, where the c.r.a.c.k.er do it just to cause harm. So c.r.a.c.k.er is also hacker but hacker is just hacker...(damn filter, its without the . everywhere ofcourse..) __________________________________________________________ |
Jubeli |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:14:00 -
[157] This really makes me sick.. how people can ruin game like this. I'm sure that CCP will help you guys, specially to find the hacker and help out with all legal actions.. BTW just to gatejump (couldn't help it)
Seems like someone can't go into a post without making NVA remarks still.. KIA, you guys are good guys and what i've seen honest fighters aswell.. May the force be with you. |
 Jubeli Caldari Joint Espionage and Defence Industries |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:14:00 -
[158] This really makes me sick.. how people can ruin game like this. I'm sure that CCP will help you guys, specially to find the hacker and help out with all legal actions.. BTW just to gatejump (couldn't help it)
Seems like someone can't go into a post without making NVA remarks still.. KIA, you guys are good guys and what i've seen honest fighters aswell.. May the force be with you. |
Buddrow |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:57:00 -
[159] this is out of line. CCP, really i have so much respect for you guys and how you handle things in most aspects, level headed and very thought out. but this is not only a game matter, this is a criminal offense. and should be delt with the upmost zeal and feriocity. those who chose this path must pay for it. in my views it is the same as me going and beating the **** out of a fellow student of mine, merley because his GF is hotter and he called me fat once. i could easily do it, dose that make it right? no it dosn't either way this was an assult on the players and thier characters. the hackers if retiaing the proper info could have found the players homes, could have adjusted creditcard payments. very very dangerous things.action must be taken, this could be Horrible Press if not handled correctly.... step softly for you are crossing very thin ice ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC |
 Buddrow E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North |
Posted - 2003.12.03 20:57:00 -
[160] this is out of line. CCP, really i have so much respect for you guys and how you handle things in most aspects, level headed and very thought out. but this is not only a game matter, this is a criminal offense. and should be delt with the upmost zeal and feriocity. those who chose this path must pay for it. in my views it is the same as me going and beating the **** out of a fellow student of mine, merley because his GF is hotter and he called me fat once. i could easily do it, dose that make it right? no it dosn't either way this was an assult on the players and thier characters. the hackers if retiaing the proper info could have found the players homes, could have adjusted creditcard payments. very very dangerous things.action must be taken, this could be Horrible Press if not handled correctly.... step softly for you are crossing very thin ice ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC |
Pilthanis |
Posted - 2003.12.03 21:28:00 -
[161] I will be very surprised if GM's or CCP help you. I feel really sorry for you, but the GM's are normally crap and do not base their decisions on any logic. I wish we had good GM, but we don't! |
 Pilthanis |
Posted - 2003.12.03 21:28:00 -
[162] I will be very surprised if GM's or CCP help you. I feel really sorry for you, but the GM's are normally crap and do not base their decisions on any logic. I wish we had good GM, but we don't! |
Easy Target |
Posted - 2003.12.03 23:41:00 -
[163] i guess everything helpful that needs to be said has been said. so i`ll just offer my condolances and sorryness (never been good with words) for what has happened... it sucks... u should get your equip and skill points back.. or at least skill points and isk equivalent... and plus the fact anyone who knows me will know that nothing either serious or sensible comes out of me... so i wont start now.. just leave it at the grrrr`s and punchy punchy ness nessing... dont quit... i remember u from VA days... or was it NVA by then i dont even know if i was on your side... but hey. u seemed nice enough... and u didnt kill me... :) Easy Target ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be -------------------- Moments of genius |
 Easy Target Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.03 23:41:00 -
[164] i guess everything helpful that needs to be said has been said. so i`ll just offer my condolances and sorryness (never been good with words) for what has happened... it sucks... u should get your equip and skill points back.. or at least skill points and isk equivalent... and plus the fact anyone who knows me will know that nothing either serious or sensible comes out of me... so i wont start now.. just leave it at the grrrr`s and punchy punchy ness nessing... dont quit... i remember u from VA days... or was it NVA by then i dont even know if i was on your side... but hey. u seemed nice enough... and u didnt kill me... :) Easy Target ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be -------------------- |
Hanns |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:07:00 -
[165] Dont blame us I feel for ya bro, even tho we were enemies, we still got on ok, and were pretty honorable! this is low stuff |
 Hanns Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:07:00 -
[166] Dont blame us I feel for ya bro, even tho we were enemies, we still got on ok, and were pretty honorable! this is low stuff
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KIAInkZ |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:43:00 -
[167] UPDATE KIAGumpy has had his lost skill points restored and KIA will begin to get their stuff back tonight. CCP again have helped us out of something that isn't really their fault, and it seems they've spent a fair bit of time doing it. Thanks for everyone's support here, it's great to receive such great support from our ic enemys as well as our friends, it really reaffirms my faith in this place. As for any further action, I'm afraid the culprit will have to wait and see what fate awaits him, but I won't talk about that anymore here. A great big thanks to GM Arkanon (again), top bloke. Let's hope we can put a stop to this happening again. Please check regularly for keyloggers, run virus software and make sure you have a firewall running. Also don't download any third party software for EVE as they could contain trojans. The PC we think *may* have been compromised was formatted a week or two ago, so we have no way of checking if it was or not, but it's the only way we can think possible, as we have gone through every other PC with a fine tooth comb. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk |
KIAInkZ Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:43:00 -
[168] UPDATE KIAGumpy has had his lost skill points restored and KIA will begin to get their stuff back tonight. CCP again have helped us out of something that isn't really their fault, and it seems they've spent a fair bit of time doing it. Thanks for everyone's support here, it's great to receive such great support from our ic enemys as well as our friends, it really reaffirms my faith in this place. As for any further action, I'm afraid the culprit will have to wait and see what fate awaits him, but I won't talk about that anymore here. A great big thanks to GM Arkanon (again), top bloke. Let's hope we can put a stop to this happening again. Please check regularly for keyloggers, run virus software and make sure you have a firewall running. Also don't download any third party software for EVE as they could contain trojans. The PC we think *may* have been compromised was formatted a week or two ago, so we have no way of checking if it was or not, but it's the only way we can think possible, as we have gone through every other PC with a fine tooth comb. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk |
Righteous X |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:52:00 -
[169] thats great news, welcome back  |
 Righteous X Amarr Raptus Regaliter |
Posted - 2003.12.04 01:52:00 -
[170] thats great news, welcome back |
Leitari |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:22:00 -
[171] yayyyyyyyy /emote waves a flag and please keep us posted on how the hunt for that PHOOOOL goes. Im dying to know. |
ZzeusS |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:22:00 -
[172] I really wouldn't mind a post-mortem on the situation from CCP. What should we be doing as customers to prevent this type of thing from happening again? |
ZzeusS Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:22:00 -
[173] I really wouldn't mind a post-mortem on the situation from CCP. What should we be doing as customers to prevent this type of thing from happening again? |
 Leitari Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:22:00 -
[174] yayyyyyyyy /emote waves a flag and please keep us posted on how the hunt for that PHOOOOL goes. Im dying to know. |
Reptar |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:43:00 -
[175] woo hoo, now back to fighting |
 Reptar |
Posted - 2003.12.04 02:43:00 -
[176] woo hoo, now back to fighting |
GM Tricore |
Posted - 2003.12.04 03:34:00 -
[177] Edited by: GM Tricore on 04/12/2003 04:21:08 Here are a few tips on how to avoid this kind of disaster. Trojan viruses monitor all keystrokes and programs that are launched. Then they send out the information to the people that created the virus. The best way to avoid this happening is to have an up to date anti-virus program installed and keep it running at all times. These viruses are usually quite basic so the anti-virus program should not have any problem removing it. Also there have been cases where spyware has been the cause of infringement. Spyware also runs in the background and monitors what you are doing on your computer. Spyware can record keystrokes, much as a Trojan virus. To prevent this from happening you need to have an up to date spyware remover on your computer such as Ad-aware or Spybot. They should remove all spyware from your computer. Macros and third party programs can also be a dangerous thing to mess with. Not only can they get you banned, but they can contain malicious code that logs your username and password, once activated. Furthermore, we have seen cases where people trust their corp member(s) and simply tell them their username and password. Then those trusted members use that knowledge to clean out their corp hangar and wallet. So do not give any player your username and password and be aware that if you do so, you do it at your own risk. I hope that this information will help you to protect yourselves from this happening to you in the future. |
 GM Tricore  |
Posted - 2003.12.04 03:34:00 -
[178] Edited by: GM Tricore on 04/12/2003 04:21:08 Here are a few tips on how to avoid this kind of disaster. Trojan viruses monitor all keystrokes and programs that are launched. Then they send out the information to the people that created the virus. The best way to avoid this happening is to have an up to date anti-virus program installed and keep it running at all times. These viruses are usually quite basic so the anti-virus program should not have any problem removing it. Also there have been cases where spyware has been the cause of infringement. Spyware also runs in the background and monitors what you are doing on your computer. Spyware can record keystrokes, much as a Trojan virus. To prevent this from happening you need to have an up to date spyware remover on your computer such as Ad-aware or Spybot. They should remove all spyware from your computer. Macros and third party programs can also be a dangerous thing to mess with. Not only can they get you banned, but they can contain malicious code that logs your username and password, once activated. Furthermore, we have seen cases where people trust their corp member(s) and simply tell them their username and password. Then those trusted members use that knowledge to clean out their corp hangar and wallet. So do not give any player your username and password and be aware that if you do so, you do it at your own risk. I hope that this information will help you to protect yourselves from this happening to you in the future. |
Jexter |
Posted - 2003.12.04 08:07:00 -
[179] Excellent! |
 Jexter Caldari Jokers |
Posted - 2003.12.04 08:07:00 -
[180] Excellent! |
EvilEric |
Posted - 2003.12.04 08:13:00 -
[181] As for spyware removal may I reccomend Ad-Aware: www.lavasoftusa.com/. You can download a free version and it's not a trial version and is updated regularly. If you haven't used it before you WILL be suprised how much crap you have on your system. |
 EvilEric Rancid touch |
Posted - 2003.12.04 08:13:00 -
[182] As for spyware removal may I reccomend Ad-Aware: www.lavasoftusa.com/. You can download a free version and it's not a trial version and is updated regularly. If you haven't used it before you WILL be suprised how much crap you have on your system. |
Ch'ryl |
Posted - 2003.12.04 09:13:00 -
[183] I'm very impressed with the way KIA and the GM's have handled this. Well done, and I'm glad you got your stuff back guys. A lesson to us all I am sure. Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
 Ch'ryl Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.04 09:13:00 -
[184] I'm very impressed with the way KIA and the GM's have handled this. Well done, and I'm glad you got your stuff back guys. A lesson to us all I am sure. Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Kane Jacobs |
Posted - 2003.12.04 09:31:00 -
[185] Rock n roll !!!! Magnificent ! _______________________________________________ |
Kane Jacobs North Star Networks Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2003.12.04 09:31:00 -
[186] Rock n roll !!!! Magnificent ! |
Carl Bowmore |
Posted - 2003.12.04 10:32:00 -
[187] Great news indeed! I just hope the culprit can be tracked down too. |
 Carl Bowmore North Star Networks Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2003.12.04 10:32:00 -
[188] Great news indeed! I just hope the culprit can be tracked down too. |
KIAEddZ |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:11:00 -
[189] This is a great relief to KIA, we didnt ever doubt it would be resolved though, and the GMS have come through for us again. Now its just a matter of waiting as they sift through the logs of that night, picking out all the items that were destroyed by the idiot in question. The main trouble being we dont know exactly what we lost, maybe a lesson for corps in keeping a current itinerary. We are not allowed to name this guy, as we saw in the last thread about me being hacked, but needless to say, cross referencing the IPS has told CCP it was in fact the same guy that hacked my account and was banned, he just got another of his accounts banned. His first banning he obviously thought unjust, and so set out to malicously destroy KIAs work over the last 6 months. He had better hope tbh, I dont ever find out a little tiny bit more about him. That said, the feeling of relief far outways that of anger, and we are just glad the GMs came through for us. Hope this is the last we hear of this. The only regret is, that we weren't able to push this a lot further personally, have his isp and maybe even the police involved, but I am sure that CCP have this in hand, and will leave it to them to deal with this situation. Thx again Arkonor, nice work, and again thx for your time. (now if you could just sort out the lost insurance on my raven in the first hacking incident, 21 million only 1 day old, i promise no more eve mails )KIA feel justly treated, and just wanna big up everyone that showed us support in this situ, made us feel it was worth carrying on no matter what happened, n1 guys. :) See ya on the battlefield. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:11:00 -
[190] This is a great relief to KIA, we didnt ever doubt it would be resolved though, and the GMS have come through for us again. Now its just a matter of waiting as they sift through the logs of that night, picking out all the items that were destroyed by the idiot in question. The main trouble being we dont know exactly what we lost, maybe a lesson for corps in keeping a current itinerary. We are not allowed to name this guy, as we saw in the last thread about me being hacked, but needless to say, cross referencing the IPS has told CCP it was in fact the same guy that hacked my account and was banned, he just got another of his accounts banned. His first banning he obviously thought unjust, and so set out to malicously destroy KIAs work over the last 6 months. He had better hope tbh, I dont ever find out a little tiny bit more about him. That said, the feeling of relief far outways that of anger, and we are just glad the GMs came through for us. Hope this is the last we hear of this. The only regret is, that we weren't able to push this a lot further personally, have his isp and maybe even the police involved, but I am sure that CCP have this in hand, and will leave it to them to deal with this situation. Thx again Arkonor, nice work, and again thx for your time. (now if you could just sort out the lost insurance on my raven in the first hacking incident, 21 million only 1 day old, i promise no more eve mails )KIA feel justly treated, and just wanna big up everyone that showed us support in this situ, made us feel it was worth carrying on no matter what happened, n1 guys. :) See ya on the battlefield. KIA EVE Home |
Cochise |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:17:00 -
[191] Fantastic Way to GO CCP Thanks for the Customer back up on this one and thanks for the Concern. Emote: Hugs the Eve Team Glad its getting fixed KIA |
Cochise Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:17:00 -
[192] Fantastic Way to GO CCP Thanks for the Customer back up on this one and thanks for the Concern. Emote: Hugs the Eve Team Glad its getting fixed KIA |
Hackett |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:30:00 -
[193] Got to give CCP a big round of applause for this. I have a hangover at the moment and so I'm a wee bit grumpy but whoever this **** was that hacked your account I hope dies horribly |
 Hackett Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.04 11:30:00 -
[194] Got to give CCP a big round of applause for this. I have a hangover at the moment and so I'm a wee bit grumpy but whoever this **** was that hacked your account I hope dies horribly http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9813/evolhackett6ln.gif Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit |
Jubeli |
Posted - 2003.12.04 13:02:00 -
[195] Well done CCP!! Now go and press charges on that hacker! :) |
Jubeli Caldari Joint Espionage and Defence Industries |
Posted - 2003.12.04 13:02:00 -
[196] Well done CCP!! Now go and press charges on that hacker! :) |
TMX |
Posted - 2003.12.04 13:48:00 -
[197] thx gm's ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge! |
 TMX Confederation of Red Moon |
Posted - 2003.12.04 13:48:00 -
[198] thx gm's ------------------------------------------- |
RagnarH |
Posted - 2003.12.04 14:51:00 -
[199] Hipp Hipp Hurray Hipp Hipp Hurray *applause* *applause* *applause* GREAT JOB CCP ;D This char is perm banned on forums :S |
 RagnarH Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.12.04 14:51:00 -
[200] Hipp Hipp Hurray Hipp Hipp Hurray *applause* *applause* *applause* GREAT JOB CCP ;D |
Mutara Nebula |
Posted - 2003.12.04 15:02:00 -
[201]
Wooohooooo !!!! Way to go CCP !!!! Glad to have you KIA guys on ur feet again ! *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo playing aspects. *********************************************************************************** |
 Mutara Nebula Gallente Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.12.04 15:02:00 -
[202]
Wooohooooo !!!! Way to go CCP !!!! Glad to have you KIA guys on ur feet again ! *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo playing aspects. *********************************************************************************** |
Jade Constantine |
Posted - 2003.12.04 16:34:00 -
[203] Well done CCP! Very good show, this kind of timely and just response does absolute wonders for customer confidence and trust. And thanks again GM Arkanon, you are the best ;) JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2003.12.04 16:34:00 -
[204] Well done CCP! Very good show, this kind of timely and just response does absolute wonders for customer confidence and trust. And thanks again GM Arkanon, you are the best ;) JF Public Forum |
Karol Kei |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:05:00 -
[205] Well done CCP, and good luck KIA. |
 Karol Kei Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:05:00 -
[206] Well done CCP, and good luck KIA. Star Fraction is recruiting |
Bobby Wilson |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:14:00 -
[207] *big smile* Now I gotta delete the various outraged/supportive/angry/threatening to cancel my accounts posts I composed whilst reading this whole thread. I'm glad the GMs sorted KIA out. They are great lads, great wingmen and generally good neighbours (depending on how wild the parties get over in P-VYVL I am going to RUN, not walk, home and run me some spyware detection software... BW
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 Bobby Wilson Gallente |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:14:00 -
[208] *big smile* Now I gotta delete the various outraged/supportive/angry/threatening to cancel my accounts posts I composed whilst reading this whole thread. I'm glad the GMs sorted KIA out. They are great lads, great wingmen and generally good neighbours (depending on how wild the parties get over in P-VYVL I am going to RUN, not walk, home and run me some spyware detection software... BW |
Bobby Wilson |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:21:00 -
[209]
On a complete sidenote quite aside from this terrible news and it's pleasing aftermath, Welcome back mighty one. You'll be very please what the stable full of Harvesters is worth now. BW
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Bobby Wilson Gallente |
Posted - 2003.12.04 17:21:00 -
[210]
On a complete sidenote quite aside from this terrible news and it's pleasing aftermath, Welcome back mighty one. You'll be very please what the stable full of Harvesters is worth now. BW |
Calladen Nimitz |
Posted - 2003.12.07 21:23:00 -
[211] I just saw this thread. KIA I'm glad the GM's were able to help you out. If you need something just ask. Everyone is here to help. I'd like to find out the ingame name of this idiot who was banned as well as the IP addresses of these hackers. I hope CCP forwards them to KIA. Some people may recall TTI being a victim of hacker attacks early this year. They went way beyond "annoying" and were quite destructive. Unfortunately for the idiot who was doing it he did a lousy job masking his IP address on the rerouted emails (lousy as far as the FBI goes). He was tracked down in Sweeden (Ulf Hansson was his name) thanks to Telia and he'll be getting out of jail in about 13 more months. They gave him a 17 month sentence for computer crimes, which are a very serious deal in Sweeden. Hopefully CCP will give KIA the IP information and KIA will have as much fun with their hacker as I had with ours. Calladen |
 Calladen Nimitz Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.12.07 21:23:00 -
[212] I just saw this thread. KIA I'm glad the GM's were able to help you out. If you need something just ask. Everyone is here to help. I'd like to find out the ingame name of this idiot who was banned as well as the IP addresses of these hackers. I hope CCP forwards them to KIA. Some people may recall TTI being a victim of hacker attacks early this year. They went way beyond "annoying" and were quite destructive. Unfortunately for the idiot who was doing it he did a lousy job masking his IP address on the rerouted emails (lousy as far as the FBI goes). He was tracked down in Sweeden (Ulf Hansson was his name) thanks to Telia and he'll be getting out of jail in about 13 more months. They gave him a 17 month sentence for computer crimes, which are a very serious deal in Sweeden. Hopefully CCP will give KIA the IP information and KIA will have as much fun with their hacker as I had with ours. Calladen SOVEREIGN ENTERPRISES WEBPAGE AND FORUMS |
Phoibos |
Posted - 2003.12.08 11:28:00 -
[213] Glad to hear it seems to be working out for you guys. Just hope that b*stard can be tracked down. He might do this crap to more people and also in other games. Pff. These games really do introduce several nasty bi-effects. /Phoibos Co-Ceo DreamScape |
 Phoibos |
Posted - 2003.12.08 11:28:00 -
[214] Glad to hear it seems to be working out for you guys. Just hope that b*stard can be tracked down. He might do this crap to more people and also in other games. Pff. These games really do introduce several nasty bi-effects. /Phoibos Co-Ceo DreamScape |
hupa |
Posted - 2003.12.08 11:51:00 -
[215] dont read the forums much but im glad for u guys, u were the best allies we had while in the nva and it would have been **** to c you all quit. |
 hupa Gallente Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire |
Posted - 2003.12.08 11:51:00 -
[216] dont read the forums much but im glad for u guys, u were the best allies we had while in the nva and it would have been **** to c you all quit. I r pwn3r3r th4n y0u. |
 Inmate 19225004 Absoluten Calfeutrail |
Posted - 2007.02.28 22:22:00 -
[217] say it aint so.
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 Mongo Smith Amarr |
Posted - 2007.02.28 22:30:00 -
[218] NECRO |
 Sebroth FinFleet Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2007.02.28 22:31:00 -
[219] |
 Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department  |
Posted - 2007.02.28 22:31:00 -
[220] don't resurrect old posts. Thread Locked *click* ___ EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER |
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