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Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:01:00 - [31] It's simple really. The Devs stated they want EVE to be harsh, unforgiving, survival of the fittest in all aspects. Only form a player corp, create something yourself, if you're ready to fight for it and defend it. You dont get anything for free and without risk, deal with it. If you dont like it, leave, since the game wont change, as its not broken.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:01:00 - [32] It's simple really. The Devs stated they want EVE to be harsh, unforgiving, survival of the fittest in all aspects. Only form a player corp, create something yourself, if you're ready to fight for it and defend it. You dont get anything for free and without risk, deal with it. If you dont like it, leave, since the game wont change, as its not broken.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:05:00 - [33] Edited by: Patch86 on 15/01/2007 21:02:09 Heres the thing, and its the reason why it'll never happen, and the reason you'er getting such a negative response: EVE has non-consensual PvP. Thats the whole point. It's one of its major selling points. it is, frankly, what makes it EVE. So no, lets not change it. If you choose to leave the NPC corps, you are consenting to combat just as surely as if you'd logged into an Unreal Tournament game. On a more constructive note, if you are having problems being war-decc'd by people, you do have options. 1) FIGHT BACK. You don't need much in the way of SP or isk to make an effect- get a bunch of you together in T1 frigs and cruisers and go ambush them. 2) Join a group that can defend itself. Seriously, the only way to be "safe" in EVE is to be part of a decent social group- if your current corp fails to provide, there are plenty who can. 3) Hire Mercenaries. Ask on the forums, and you'll get offers. Reasonably priced, too. 4) Pay your enemy to stop fighting you. Its weaselly and cowardly, but if they're asking a "ransom" you can always try paying it. 5) Leave Empire for 0.0. Seriously, Empire is a serious PITA, and you have no idea how happy I was when I realised I was shot of it. A decent chunk of 0.0 is many times safer than high-sec, much more profitable, less laggy, more fun, and so forth. Staying in Empire these days is like playing EVE on hard mode.......... -----------------------------------------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:05:00 - [34] Edited by: Patch86 on 15/01/2007 21:02:09 Heres the thing, and its the reason why it'll never happen, and the reason you'er getting such a negative response: EVE has non-consensual PvP. Thats the whole point. It's one of its major selling points. it is, frankly, what makes it EVE. So no, lets not change it. If you choose to leave the NPC corps, you are consenting to combat just as surely as if you'd logged into an Unreal Tournament game. On a more constructive note, if you are having problems being war-decc'd by people, you do have options. 1) FIGHT BACK. You don't need much in the way of SP or isk to make an effect- get a bunch of you together in T1 frigs and cruisers and go ambush them. 2) Join a group that can defend itself. Seriously, the only way to be "safe" in EVE is to be part of a decent social group- if your current corp fails to provide, there are plenty who can. 3) Hire Mercenaries. Ask on the forums, and you'll get offers. Reasonably priced, too. 4) Pay your enemy to stop fighting you. Its weaselly and cowardly, but if they're asking a "ransom" you can always try paying it. 5) Leave Empire for 0.0. Seriously, Empire is a serious PITA, and you have no idea how happy I was when I realised I was shot of it. A decent chunk of 0.0 is many times safer than high-sec, much more profitable, less laggy, more fun, and so forth. Staying in Empire these days is like playing EVE on hard mode.......... -----------------------------------------------
Rodrigo Valon Gallente Synergy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:06:00 - [35] Goes to show ya. Just because a game wins countless awards (including pvp - http://mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/1043) , and universal accolades by it's contemporary critics does not mean it's a game that is for everyone. If EvE has a theme besides "space-fight-pew-pew", it is vicious, uncompromising machevellian capitalism. It is not a fair game (like Life). That being said, it IS a balanced game (for the most part), and if you, or this corp leader, puts it's time in, does the homework, and learns how to adapt, a new corp can flourish. Happens all the time. Your experiences do not prove that this is a broken game. It does not contradict the experiences of plenty of other young, successful pilots and entrepreneurs. It is the non-consensual nature of PVP in this game that (1) has won it the loyal fanbase and accolades it has and (2) has repeatedly been confirmed as intentional by it's developers. Learn, and adapt.
Rodrigo Valon Gallente Synergy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:06:00 - [36] Goes to show ya. Just because a game wins countless awards (including pvp - http://mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/1043) , and universal accolades by it's contemporary critics does not mean it's a game that is for everyone. If EvE has a theme besides "space-fight-pew-pew", it is vicious, uncompromising machevellian capitalism. It is not a fair game (like Life). That being said, it IS a balanced game (for the most part), and if you, or this corp leader, puts it's time in, does the homework, and learns how to adapt, a new corp can flourish. Happens all the time. Your experiences do not prove that this is a broken game. It does not contradict the experiences of plenty of other young, successful pilots and entrepreneurs. It is the non-consensual nature of PVP in this game that (1) has won it the loyal fanbase and accolades it has and (2) has repeatedly been confirmed as intentional by it's developers. Learn, and adapt.
ChrisFish Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Privateers have yet to war dec tuxedo. What do I need to do to get their attention? you could always, you know...wardec Privateers. It works the same. Lots of targets. Or, you could pay the 50m to have us add the wardec to our list
ChrisFish Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Privateers have yet to war dec tuxedo. What do I need to do to get their attention? you could always, you know...wardec Privateers. It works the same. Lots of targets. Or, you could pay the 50m to have us add the wardec to our list
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/01/2007 21:10:02 Originally by: Patch86 Thats the whole point. It's one of its major selling points. it is, frankly, what makes it EVE. We pay the same subscription fees so why must we be killed when we do not want to? We play the game for fun and when we have the time to play eVe, we want to do our own stuffs. If we want to do business, we do business. If we want to PVP, we go to low sec or null sec to PVP. Getting griefed/ganked by someone in a battleship when you are in a hauler is not PVP! --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:13:00 - [40] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/01/2007 21:10:02 Originally by: Patch86 Thats the whole point. It's one of its major selling points. it is, frankly, what makes it EVE. We pay the same subscription fees so why must we be killed when we do not want to? We play the game for fun and when we have the time to play eVe, we want to do our own stuffs. If we want to do business, we do business. If we want to PVP, we go to low sec or null sec to PVP. Getting griefed/ganked by someone in a battleship when you are in a hauler is not PVP! --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:19:00 - [41] If you dont like it Jenny, WoW awaits you. (You can donate your stuff to the OP on your way out) Without unconsensual PvP, there would be no piracy, no mercs, and no T2 market as nobody would lose ships. It is all part of the bigger picture, the tools are there for you to avoid PvP if you really must. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:19:00 - [42] If you dont like it Jenny, WoW awaits you. (You can donate your stuff to the OP on your way out) Without unconsensual PvP, there would be no piracy, no mercs, and no T2 market as nobody would lose ships. It is all part of the bigger picture, the tools are there for you to avoid PvP if you really must. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:20:00 - [43] Originally by: ChrisFish Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Privateers have yet to war dec tuxedo. What do I need to do to get their attention? you could always, you know...wardec Privateers. It works the same. Lots of targets. Or, you could pay the 50m to have us add the wardec to our list No you pay the 50m! Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Necronomicon If you dont like it Jenny, WoW awaits you. (You can donate your stuff to the OP on your way out) Without unconsensual PvP, there would be no piracy, no mercs, and no T2 market as nobody would lose ships. It is all part of the bigger picture, the tools are there for you to avoid PvP if you really must. Not really. You have low secs and null secs PVP. You will still lose stuffs there. High secs PVP is griefing. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:23:00 - [45] hey hey solution = nublet corp. you cant war dec them and you can still play as you like with as many friends as you want to. The second you are in a player corp then its pretty much anything goes. Being a CEO of a player corp of whatever style corp you wish to create will bring politics raging down upon you and even the slightest action by any of your members can cause a war dec. some corps will dec you for fun. this even reflects upon real life too. how many corporate mergers/takeovers/lawsuits etc do you read about ? they are just eve wannabies war dec'ing in their own way :)
Stavros Amarr DEFINITELY NOT m0o	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:25:00 - [46] Viceroy should be consentual and not pvp ;\ -- "DANCE DANCE"
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:29:00 - [47] Jenny, really, are you taking the urinal? If you dont want to be suicide ganked with a bill of minerals in your hauler, dont fly a hauler, fly a transport. If you don't want to be decced by the likes of privateers, then join a corp they are unlikely to dec, if that corp will have you that is. Eve is a PVP based game, any attempt by CCP to diminish the pvp element would be suicidal. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Aceoil Direct Intent Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:29:00 - [48] Added to my friends list.
Easy Target Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:31:00 - [49] It really isnt hard to avoid wars if u really dont want to PvP. i know people who have never PvPed in their lives, have never lost a ship to a player, have played for over 3 years AND lived in 0.0 for a few months. Trust me, after being on the war declaring side of the arguement fiding targets that dont want to be found is impossible!! They only have so many war declarations... Get creative A war corp taht doesnt get any targets doesnt stay for long, dont form fleets to attack them, that is what they want, bore them to death.. You cant stop the corps joining and leaving to be involved in, and to avoid the war, do the same to them Drop out into your noob corp, have all players ganged up and just keep a holder char in the corp you left, you all have 2 alts, use them for hangar access and whatever. Get creative, stop complaining, its a game, play it, play them, dont like the way they play, make they way of play boring. I am a PvPer, and i have been on the recieving end of war avoiding tactics many a time... We just moved on to the next target... :) Easy Target ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be --------------------
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/01/2007 21:10:02 Originally by: Patch86 Thats the whole point. It's one of its major selling points. it is, frankly, what makes it EVE. We pay the same subscription fees so why must we be killed when we do not want to? We play the game for fun and when we have the time to play eVe, we want to do our own stuffs. If we want to do business, we do business. If we want to PVP, we go to low sec or null sec to PVP. Getting griefed/ganked by someone in a battleship when you are in a hauler is not PVP! OK, who bought Jenny's account? Nanobotter? * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Mitsuko Souma Gallente The United Federation of Spice	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:32:00 - [51] These are the types of threads that make me not want to read the forums. Seriously, get over it - you can see peoples status to your corp in local which makes it fairly simple to avoid fights. Some corp wardecced us for no reason in Empire, we got on with life an just kept our eye on things. The Eve universe is huge, stop whining and play better.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Necronomicon Jenny, really, are you taking the urinal? If you dont want to be suicide ganked with a bill of minerals in your hauler, dont fly a hauler, fly a transport. If you don't want to be decced by the likes of privateers, then join a corp they are unlikely to dec, if that corp will have you that is. Eve is a PVP based game, any attempt by CCP to diminish the pvp element would be suicidal. High sec gankers will gank haulers and transports. It does not matter what non-freighter industrial ships you fly. If they want to gank you, they will gank you. Who says eVe is PVP? We have PVE contents. R&D missions, combat missions, courier missions. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:35:00 - [53] By the time your local loads up and tells you were are there, it is already too late But I get your point ;) Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Not really. You have low secs and null secs PVP. You will still lose stuffs there. High secs PVP is griefing. hehe...she said secs...
TheCleaner ALT	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:38:00 - [55] NO FIGHT LIKE A MAN.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Necronomicon Jenny, really, are you taking the urinal? If you dont want to be suicide ganked with a bill of minerals in your hauler, dont fly a hauler, fly a transport. If you don't want to be decced by the likes of privateers, then join a corp they are unlikely to dec, if that corp will have you that is. Eve is a PVP based game, any attempt by CCP to diminish the pvp element would be suicidal. High sec gankers will gank haulers and transports. It does not matter what non-freighter industrial ships you fly. If they want to gank you, they will gank you. Who says eVe is PVP? We have PVE contents. R&D missions, combat missions, courier missions. Sorry, but I challenge ANYONE to gank one of my trnasports in high sec, I fit to sustain an alpha strike from a full T2 fitted Tempest with maxxed out gunnery skills (on my alt ofc, I would not be caught dead in such a carebearish vessel) :P I agree, someone has haxxed Jenny's account. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:40:00 - [57] Jenny when did you sell your account o.0 Is that really you!?!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Necronomicon If you dont like it Jenny, WoW awaits you. (You can donate your stuff to the OP on your way out) Without unconsensual PvP, there would be no piracy, no mercs, and no T2 market as nobody would lose ships. It is all part of the bigger picture, the tools are there for you to avoid PvP if you really must. Not really. You have low secs and null secs PVP. You will still lose stuffs there. High secs PVP is griefing. griefing I see this word tossed around so much. Griefing is not shooting at some one to get a point across or to get something from them be it Loot, Isk, Surrender, Revenge etc. GRIEFING IS JUST BLOWING THE CRAP OUT OF THE SAME PERSON/PERSONS TO ** THEM OFF. Privateers are highsec pirates not griefers. If you've been wardec'd by the privateers then odds are you had a profit potential. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin** Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:43:00 - [59] Originally by: TheCleaner ALT NO FIGHT LIKE A MAN. GTFO alt poster Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:44:00 - [60] i felt that too. there was certainly a sudden shift in the force. I actually posted to this thread cause i saw jenny's name and i thought she'd say PewPewPeww kablam shooty shooty.

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