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Asinia Au	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:48:00 - [181] No, you don't have to play something else. If you enjoy doing what you do, then you should do it. Just be aware, there are risks involved in ANYTHING you do in EVE. The best you can hope for is to take steps to mitigate that risk. You can do this solo to some extent, but to a greater extent as part of a group. The choice is yours.
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:57:00 - [182] Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 16/01/2007 17:03:40 Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. Originally by: Chimu Quien Whether you like it or not, Eve can be played as a de-facto solo game because it is what its players make it. This isn't about solo play, it's about non-consentual player combat. Originally by: Chimu Quien Why does that bother you? Why are you telling me to think the way you do or play something else? I don't feel like playing something else. It doesn't bother me. I am happy with the way Eve is designed to be played. You're the one whining for easier gameplay. Originally by: Chimu Quien The game lets me play the way I want to play. No, it doesn't. It allows for non-consentual player combat. Originally by: Chimu Quien Non-consenting pvp is not my thing, and my characters manage to avoid it. Avoiding it is one possible response. It is still interaction. You still realise the risk of non-consenting pvp exists. That means you understand the nature of Eve and agree to play on those terms. Originally by: Chimu Quien 'Competition,' if that means grinding away to have the best ship, is not my thing. I have no problem with your play style. I'm not telling you to accept my ideas or leave. Why do you have a problem with mine? I don't. You have a problem with the game mechanics that were designed to allow non-consentual pvp. Originally by: Chimu Quien People who don't think their corp should be subjected to non-consenting war have a valid point. No they don't. It's a competitive game by design. Originally by: Chimu Quien I don't expect or necessarily want the game to be changed to reflect their desires, but their opinions are valid ones and its just plain rude to keep screaming at them 'adapt or get out!!!' There is room in Eve for everybody. There is room in Eve for everybody that understands the game. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:05:00 - [183] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Building the homestead
Asinia Au	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:08:00 - [184] Until somebody decides to stop them...
Alowishus Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:08:00 - [185] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire We pay the same subscription fees so why must we be killed when we do not want to? Nobody is forcing you to pay the fees. The way Eve works is pretty clearly explained and a trial is offered. If you don't like it don't buy it. What you're doing is buying what is clearly an apple and then complaining that it's not an orange. The rest of us understood we bought an apple and are happy with it. Go away.
Asinia Au	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:08:00 - [186] Until somebody decides to stop them...
Alowishus Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:08:00 - [187] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire We pay the same subscription fees so why must we be killed when we do not want to? Nobody is forcing you to pay the fees. The way Eve works is pretty clearly explained and a trial is offered. If you don't like it don't buy it. What you're doing is buying what is clearly an apple and then complaining that it's not an orange. The rest of us understood we bought an apple and are happy with it. Go away.
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:10:00 - [188] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Are they? You should put that to the next bunch of pvp'ers who come on here to whine about the cost of T2 fittings. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:10:00 - [189] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Are they? You should put that to the next bunch of pvp'ers who come on here to whine about the cost of T2 fittings. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 - [190] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Are they? You should put that to the next bunch of pvp'ers who come on here to whine about the cost of T2 fittings. Then those PvP'ers are in the wrong alliance Building the homestead
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 - [191] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Chimu Quien Of course I get it. The kind of solo play that I am referring to is not being involved in pvp combat. Buying and selling things, mining, running missions, these are things I enjoy doing. And I can do them without directly interacting with other players. You can't do one of those things without affecting other players. Combat is the final word in competitive play. You can't expect to be allowed to compete in the areas you mentioned and then be immune from the parts of competitive gameplay you dislike. There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Are they? You should put that to the next bunch of pvp'ers who come on here to whine about the cost of T2 fittings. Then those PvP'ers are in the wrong alliance Building the homestead
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:16:00 - [192] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: TheAwakening So you're not going to join or form a corp, INCASE privateers war decs you? Ever thought about just flying under the radar and doing it rather than drawing all this attention to yourself? Yes. Someone I know formed a corporation a month ago. They already got war declared on them, and have lost several transports. In secured space. Current system DOES NOT work. Listen ****face the current system has worked fine for 3 years and still does.Get over your whining. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:16:00 - [193] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: TheAwakening So you're not going to join or form a corp, INCASE privateers war decs you? Ever thought about just flying under the radar and doing it rather than drawing all this attention to yourself? Yes. Someone I know formed a corporation a month ago. They already got war declared on them, and have lost several transports. In secured space. Current system DOES NOT work. Listen ****face the current system has worked fine for 3 years and still does.Get over your whining. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Apophis Omega Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:17:00 - [194] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: EnglishBob I'll give you three posts before someone mentions WoW. I don't care for WoW either, but as a Caldari citizen with high Caldari faction, I should be able to be provided with Concord protection AT LEAST in 0.5 space and above. What stops this from doing what the so called "Privateers" from cycling corps in and out of their alliance, so they can gank other, smaller, corporations at will? This is a really bad mechanism, and it has to change. Some free advice Quit eve now, I MEAN NOW. If you don't like it, leave eve. No one will change this, you will be flamed. This is how eve was meant to be. You are avoiding PVP by hiding in a noob corp. You are the type of person who whines when he loses his mining barge in 0.0 because the PVP wasn't consentual. Just quit eve, no really, please do. Recruiting
Apophis Omega Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:17:00 - [195] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: EnglishBob I'll give you three posts before someone mentions WoW. I don't care for WoW either, but as a Caldari citizen with high Caldari faction, I should be able to be provided with Concord protection AT LEAST in 0.5 space and above. What stops this from doing what the so called "Privateers" from cycling corps in and out of their alliance, so they can gank other, smaller, corporations at will? This is a really bad mechanism, and it has to change. Some free advice Quit eve now, I MEAN NOW. If you don't like it, leave eve. No one will change this, you will be flamed. This is how eve was meant to be. You are avoiding PVP by hiding in a noob corp. You are the type of person who whines when he loses his mining barge in 0.0 because the PVP wasn't consentual. Just quit eve, no really, please do. Recruiting
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 - [196] Originally by: DarkMatter There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Yes, because as we all know, pirates never have to use the market. They get all their ships from CCP. /Ki
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 - [197] Originally by: xeom Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: TheAwakening So you're not going to join or form a corp, INCASE privateers war decs you? Ever thought about just flying under the radar and doing it rather than drawing all this attention to yourself? Yes. Someone I know formed a corporation a month ago. They already got war declared on them, and have lost several transports. In secured space. Current system DOES NOT work. Listen ****face the current system has worked fine for 3 years and still does.Get over your whining. I just got a forum warning for one of my posts that were like yours, I'd expact an email soon dude.. Building the homestead
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 - [198] Originally by: DarkMatter There are many who play combat PvP only in EVE, they are allowed to ignore the other forms of PvP just fine and dandy... Yes, because as we all know, pirates never have to use the market. They get all their ships from CCP. /Ki
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 - [199] Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/01/2007 17:16:48 Originally by: xeom Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: TheAwakening So you're not going to join or form a corp, INCASE privateers war decs you? Ever thought about just flying under the radar and doing it rather than drawing all this attention to yourself? Yes. Someone I know formed a corporation a month ago. They already got war declared on them, and have lost several transports. In secured space. Current system DOES NOT work. Listen ****face the current system has worked fine for 3 years and still does.Get over your whining. I just got a forum warning for one of my posts that was like yours, I'd expact an email soon dude.. Building the homestead
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:22:00 - [200] Good joke, I laughed.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:22:00 - [201] Currently your sec stats does not have much affect unless it is really low. I would be interesting if in high sec Concord would assist the Corp that has the higher sec status. With in that corp every member that got inganged by an enemy would get assistance from concord depending on there indiviual sec status. So if you have a sec status on 1.0 or higher you would get a concord fig as a wing man engaging the target that engaged you. If you sec status is 5.0 or higher you get a Concord BS as a wing man :). That could make corp wars in Empire interesting :) Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:24:00 - [202] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So let me get this straight, if I join a corp, another corp can just "declare war" (Privateers) on my corp, and attack my members, and I would NOT receive Concord protection? WHY?! Thats not good. Its why I'm not in a corp right now. I have a really great idea for a Caldari corporation with a "profit sharing" concept that would make it very successful! Corp wars should only be declared if BOTH sides declare war on each other. It should be CONSENTED. Better yet, Concorde should protect the corp that does not want to go to war. Agree or disagree? Go play patty cake in your impairor. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:26:00 - [203] Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Boris2k Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/01/2007 13:26:40 Non-consensual PvP is one of the best things about Eve. Just think, without it you couldn't: * Use the threat of violence to stop people mining out your favourite asteroid belt * Use the threat of violence to stop people undercutting your prices * Sell your goods to as many people because there would be less demand for ships and modules. the threat of, or violence itself has solved more problems in the world than any other method. QFT. It's the most time honoured method of diplomacy. If someone disagrees with you, hit him over the head with a big stick until he does. Rinse and repeat. I lol'd Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Captain Hudson Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:38:00 - [204] when corps are war decced cant they just surrender? Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:46:00 - [205] Originally by: Captain Hudson when corps are war decced cant they just surrender? I've been meaning to ask about this (but some one hates me making forum posts ) what happens when a corp surrenders? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Madcat Adams UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:02:00 - [206] This is a bad idea, there are npc corps for those who do not wish to participate in corp warefare. If they could not be war dec'd then empire corps could raid into low sec with no fear of retaliation. A small corp has little concern for being attacked, just disband and reform up under a new name, and the attacking corp is out the cash with no one to attack. Only large corps that need to defend their name are necessarly affected, and they should be able to fight back. Most likely provoked the war in the first place. The views expressed in this post are my own opinion, not those of my corp. Usueful Eve information Aimez- "oh ****, this is
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:06:00 - [207] Originally by: Madcat Adams A small corp has little concern for being attacked, just disband and reform up under a new name AFIAK that is an exploit Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Buster Gonads	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:10:00 - [208] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Madcat Adams A small corp has little concern for being attacked, just disband and reform up under a new name AFIAK that is an exploit Yes, I've heard it described as that a few times. Just goes to show how messed up the "rules" of conduct are in Eve. I mean what it boils down to is forcing a group of players to either stay docked (not play) or get banned, that is in scenarios where they aren't inclined to fight.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:12:00 - [209] Originally by: Buster Gonads Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Madcat Adams A small corp has little concern for being attacked, just disband and reform up under a new name AFIAK that is an exploit Yes, I've heard it described as that a few times. Just goes to show how messed up the "rules" of conduct are in Eve. I mean what it boils down to is forcing a group of players to either stay docked (not play) or get banned, that is in scenarios where they aren't inclined to fight. Pretty much... It's CCP's way of weeding out those who don't want to PvP but want to be in PC corps... The ones who do stay are NPC mission runners, and the PK'ers want them to be kicked out of their NPC corps after 3 months Building the homestead
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:41:00 - [210] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Buster Gonads Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Madcat Adams A small corp has little concern for being attacked, just disband and reform up under a new name AFIAK that is an exploit Yes, I've heard it described as that a few times. Just goes to show how messed up the "rules" of conduct are in Eve. I mean what it boils down to is forcing a group of players to either stay docked (not play) or get banned, that is in scenarios where they aren't inclined to fight. Pretty much... It's CCP's way of weeding out those who don't want to PvP but want to be in PC corps... The ones who do stay are NPC mission runners, and the PK'ers want them to be kicked out of their NPC corps after 3 months Now now PK'er and griefer are terms that have no place in eve as I don't know any one who just kills to get glee at others despair Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?

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