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Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So let me get this straight, if I join a corp, another corp can just "declare war" (Privateers) on my corp, and attack my members, and I would NOT receive Concord protection? WHY?! Thats not good. Its why I'm not in a corp right now. I have a really great idea for a Caldari corporation with a "profit sharing" concept that would make it very successful! Corp wars should only be declared if BOTH sides declare war on each other. It should be CONSENTED. Better yet, Concorde should protect the corp that does not want to go to war. Agree or disagree? Disagree. War isn't a happy, dandy thing where we ask what the other guy wants. We don't give a rat's ass what the other guy wants. Could you imagine? "Hey, buddy....I was wondering...would you like to go to war with me? Maybe we could grab a mocha frappucino after I've sifted through the pillaged, ravaged remnants of your little corporation." No...war is always declared by one side. Yes...sometimes other countries/factions/corporations join in the war...but in the beginning...one person says, "I want to go to war with you" and it's on. This isn't a match in the ring with a ref, ya know. Concord doesn't get involved in politics....that's why they won't help you. You wanted to lead a corporation, right? Well, maybe it's time you went back to the manual and read over all the OTHER things you apparently missed the first time ya read it so you can be a more effective leader.
TheCleaner ALT	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: TheCleaner ALT NO FIGHT LIKE A MAN. GTFO alt poster L00K WHOS TALKING?!??! POST WITH YOUR MAIN
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:53:00 - [63] Originally by: TheCleaner ALT Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: TheCleaner ALT NO FIGHT LIKE A MAN. GTFO alt poster L00K WHOS TALKING?!??! POST WITH YOUR MAIN This is my main would you like a login screenshot? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:56:00 - [64] I think the war system does need some changes/overhauls to be honest. The price of war is too cheap imho, and there should be some kind of penalty for wardecing other than isk, so that its not possible to live "lawlessly" in high sec by deccing many corps or continuously deccing corps. Maybe there should be a limit to how often and how many wars can be made/active to avoid suspicion! If you want freedom to pvp come to 0.0 As far as I understand it the war 'fee' is a bribe to concord officials to look the other way... well that only works if other people don't notice, and if there are like 40-50 wars with the same entity then everybody will notice... from an RP pov its a bit screwy. Eve has inflated somewhat since the last war fee update, no doubt the concorde officials' costs have also risen, so their bribes must too :) ______________________________________
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:03:00 - [65] /emote checks calendar... Bit early aint it? CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Madboy Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:03:00 - [66] EVE is not ment to be nice and kuddly with little wabbits hopping around, while the sound of music plays in the background. The truth is death and destruction fuels the enire universe. Market, Alliances, Corporations, Individuals. Death and Destruction fuels EVE to new and more wonderful things. Mate, it's simple. If you (or anyone else) don't like that fact then change. WOW I think has the same monthly cost. They have PvE servers. Nice loot and you have to agree to getting your ass ganked by someone who has 5 level 60 characters on a different server. Anyways, have fun and you won't be missed. - MadBoy
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:16:00 - [67] Originally by: Malicia Skirj Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So let me get this straight, if I join a corp, another corp can just "declare war" (Privateers) on my corp, and attack my members, and I would NOT receive Concord protection? WHY?! Thats not good. Its why I'm not in a corp right now. I have a really great idea for a Caldari corporation with a "profit sharing" concept that would make it very successful! Corp wars should only be declared if BOTH sides declare war on each other. It should be CONSENTED. Better yet, Concorde should protect the corp that does not want to go to war. Agree or disagree? Disagree. War isn't a happy, dandy thing where we ask what the other guy wants. We don't give a rat's ass what the other guy wants. Could you imagine? "Hey, buddy....I was wondering...would you like to go to war with me? Maybe we could grab a mocha frappucino after I've sifted through the pillaged, ravaged remnants of your little corporation." No...war is always declared by one side. Yes...sometimes other countries/factions/corporations join in the war...but in the beginning...one person says, "I want to go to war with you" and it's on. This isn't a match in the ring with a ref, ya know. Concord doesn't get involved in politics....that's why they won't help you. You wanted to lead a corporation, right? Well, maybe it's time you went back to the manual and read over all the OTHER things you apparently missed the first time ya read it so you can be a more effective leader. This is a game. I've already stated this fact. The last guy's reply was just as bad.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:17:00 - [68] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 15/01/2007 22:14:13 Originally by: Eteon Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: TheCleaner ALT Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: TheCleaner ALT NO FIGHT LIKE A MAN. GTFO alt poster L00K WHOS TALKING?!??! POST WITH YOUR MAIN This is my main would you like a login screenshot? I would. Just 'cause I'm bored at work . Linkage Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:20:00 - [69] Originally by: Easy Target It really isnt hard to avoid wars if u really dont want to PvP. i know people who have never PvPed in their lives, have never lost a ship to a player, have played for over 3 years AND lived in 0.0 for a few months. Trust me, after being on the war declaring side of the arguement fiding targets that dont want to be found is impossible!! They only have so many war declarations... Get creative A war corp taht doesnt get any targets doesnt stay for long, dont form fleets to attack them, that is what they want, bore them to death.. You cant stop the corps joining and leaving to be involved in, and to avoid the war, do the same to them Drop out into your noob corp, have all players ganged up and just keep a holder char in the corp you left, you all have 2 alts, use them for hangar access and whatever. Get creative, stop complaining, its a game, play it, play them, dont like the way they play, make they way of play boring. I am a PvPer, and i have been on the recieving end of war avoiding tactics many a time... We just moved on to the next target... :) Easy Target Now this isn't a bad response. But, what if I want to remain in Empire space for the majority of the time? So, if I was to disband and then reform the corp with a slightly different name, would this be a good counter? Also, I assume it would make the opponent waste a lot of isk declaring war on our corporation?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:25:00 - [70] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Corp wars should only be declared if BOTH sides declare war on each other. It should be CONSENTED. War isn't about a mutual consent to fight. War is about killing someone else for whatever reason, good or bad. Mutual consent for a war? PvP in empire would die overnight. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:26:00 - [71] Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/01/2007 22:22:47 Quote: A war corp taht doesnt get any targets doesnt stay for long, dont form fleets to attack them, that is what they want, bore them to death.. Who wants to log onto EVE to bore ppl to death? That's no way to play a game... Just like corp war griefing is no way to play either... Anyways, same old broken record. OP, it's never going to change, may as well quit EVE and go play another game if you don't like it... The DEV's don't want ppl like you playing this game anyways... That's the true harshness of EVE and CCP. Building the homestead
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Fair enough. If this is the case I should be able to join any Caldari NPC Corporation at will. Who says any Caldari NPC wants you, or any other player? Job application =! war declaration. Oh, and if you tried to force your way into one of the NPC Caldari corps, its parent mega corp would likely send its private police force to kill you, and no, CONCORD wouldn't intervene in that because it'd be above their jurisdiction. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Malicia Skirj Disagree. War isn't a happy, dandy thing where we ask what the other guy wants. We don't give a rat's ass what the other guy wants. Could you imagine? "Hey, buddy....I was wondering...would you like to go to war with me? Maybe we could grab a mocha frappucino after I've sifted through the pillaged, ravaged remnants of your little corporation." No...war is always declared by one side. Yes...sometimes other countries/factions/corporations join in the war...but in the beginning...one person says, "I want to go to war with you" and it's on. This isn't a match in the ring with a ref, ya know. Concord doesn't get involved in politics....that's why they won't help you. You wanted to lead a corporation, right? Well, maybe it's time you went back to the manual and read over all the OTHER things you apparently missed the first time ya read it so you can be a more effective leader. This is a game. I've already stated this fact. The last guy's reply was just as bad. Yes, it is a game. I've no idea what that has to do with my reply, though. If you're hinting that since it's a game every facet of it should be unlike anything in reality...well...I hate to break it to ya, but all games are based on reality in some way. We may not have spaceships that go light speed, but we do have vehicles. We may not travel between planets, but we can go between towns. We may not travel between systems, but we can between states and countries. We don't have dollars, but we do have ISK. So on. And like reality, Eve has something similar to war. So...it's a game...with warfare in it...and one person can declare war on you without your consent. It's still a game. What's your point?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:41:00 - [74] Eve is not fair. In that respect, Eve stands out among all the rest. There are many games that will hold your hand, help you, protect you from nasty people. Eve is not one of them. And it is sheer brillance.
Nainana Minmatar Tides of Silence Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:47:00 - [75] Originally by: Major Stormer Eve is not fair. In that respect, Eve stands out among all the rest. There are many games that will hold your hand, help you, protect you from nasty people. Eve is not one of them. And it is sheer brillance. Now this post says it all in just a few brilliant lines.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:49:00 - [76] Since when war was consensual? Seriously, look in a dictionary or history book. Theres a reason it's called war
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:51:00 - [77] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 16/01/2007 00:03:31 It seems like this discussion is passing over my head. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Oliver Singh Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.15 23:55:00 - [78] Originally by: Anatolius Concord can't protect their secret stash of donuts, let alone players. What do you want? They're a corrupt, beauracracy filled with nepotism and all that good stuff. It stands to reason one should be able to bribe them for more than just looking away, if this is indeed true. :) ----- I'm fine with being an !. That picture doesn't have my best hat in it anyway.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:01:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Who says eVe is PVP? We have PVE contents. R&D missions, combat missions, courier missions. The Devs have. Over and over and over. Repeatedly. So many god damned times, it makes my head hurt. And its their game, to do with as they wish. EVE is like any PvP game (like any FPS, or NASCAR game, or anything like that). You log onto the server, you're consenting to PvP. Its like logging on to Counter Strike then complaining when someone shoots you, claiming you "only wanted to rescue the hostages peacefully, maybe fire off a few rounds, I paid for this game, I can play it how I want!". You log onto CS you're agreeing to PvP, you log into EVE you're agreeing to PvP. The tools are already in game to help you avoid fighting when you don't want to, including a myriad of corps which are invulnerable to being war-dec'd, and space patroled by NPCs. But when you leave the safety of these countermeasures behind (by joining a Corporation), you're entering the game proper- and must be prepared to play on the terms that EVE dictates. -----------------------------------------------
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:39:00 - [80] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So let me get this straight, if I join a corp, another corp can just "declare war" (Privateers) on my corp, and attack my members, and I would NOT receive Concord protection? WHY?! Thats not good. Its why I'm not in a corp right now. I have a really great idea for a Caldari corporation with a "profit sharing" concept that would make it very successful! Corp wars should only be declared if BOTH sides declare war on each other. It should be CONSENTED. Better yet, Concorde should protect the corp that does not want to go to war. Agree or disagree?
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:46:00 - [81] Yes, I do like the PvP aspect. The possibility of running into pirates makes the game VERY fun. With one exception: corp warring. Something just needs to be "tweaked" to make it slightly different. Perhaps raise the price of declaring a war on a corporation/alliance. Very well then, I'm going to form a new NPC Corp then, and noone will stop me!
Xaintrix Revolution. The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:53:00 - [82] Edited by: Xaintrix on 16/01/2007 00:49:52 Originally by: Patch86 EVE is like any PvP game (like any FPS, or NASCAR game, or anything like that) The day I see Jeff Bodine get ganked off of Pit Road by the #96 Privateer Speedster is the day I will officially cry for joy.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 01:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Madboy EVE is not ment to be nice and kuddly with little wabbits hopping around, while the sound of music plays in the background. *"The truth is death and destruction fuels the enire universe."* Market, Alliances, Corporations, Individuals. Death and Destruction fuels EVE to new and more wonderful things. Mate, it's simple. If you (or anyone else) don't like that fact then change. WOW I think has the same monthly cost. They have PvE servers. Nice loot and you have to agree to getting your ass ganked by someone who has 5 level 60 characters on a different server. Anyways, have fun and you won't be missed. - MadBoy This is not a philosophical discussion, but a game balancing discussion.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.01.16 01:40:00 - [84] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Very well then, I'm going to form a new NPC Corp then, and noone will stop me! You're an NPC? They're letting you guys on the forums now? /files bug report * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.01.16 01:55:00 - [85] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire War decs or empire wars should have been consensual PVP. Low secs for non-consensual and null secs for free for all. High secs wars are lame and bad for new players experience. And that consent was given by you, and it was fully voluntary I might add, when you joined a player created corporation. Don't like it? "The Scope" or whatever other NPC corp is appropriate for you awaits.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.01.16 01:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Very well then, I'm going to form a new NPC Corp then, and noone will stop me! Other that CCP, who are the only people that have that power. You do realize that NPC stands for "Non-Player Character", right? You, as a "Player" are then by definition NOT a "Non-Player", and can't create a "Non-Player" anything.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.16 02:12:00 - [87] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Madboy EVE is not ment to be nice and kuddly with little wabbits hopping around, while the sound of music plays in the background. *"The truth is death and destruction fuels the enire universe."* Market, Alliances, Corporations, Individuals. Death and Destruction fuels EVE to new and more wonderful things. Mate, it's simple. If you (or anyone else) don't like that fact then change. WOW I think has the same monthly cost. They have PvE servers. Nice loot and you have to agree to getting your ass ganked by someone who has 5 level 60 characters on a different server. Anyways, have fun and you won't be missed. - MadBoy This is not a philosophical discussion, but a game balancing discussion. the game is balanced enough as it is - you continue to bark up a tree that really flies against what this game is about. Stop whining get a combat ship and get out there and fight
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2007.01.16 02:29:00 - [88] the current system is fine... if EVERYTHING remains the way they are... BUT.. theres alot of people who Whine about nerfing NPC corps... now.. If npc corp stays the same way it is..(handicapped but still playable for casuals.) then all is fine and dandy, but combined with the calls to nerf npc corps, than the war thing is a problem... but the current system is fine. at the moment, everything is "balanced"
Llynn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 02:44:00 - [89] ok, short awnser: This is a game, these are the rules, live with it or leave. Simple as that. I've always been annoyed by those bishops moving diagonally, but you don't see me whining about it.... You could stay in a npc corp or (if you think it benefits you) join a player corp. But then you can be war decced. Risk vs Reward is what eve is all about.
Coran Ordus Radiant With Terror	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:40:00 - [90] So do you go to fancy restaurants and complain that they don't have fries and milkshakes too? You pay them money, they should give you what you want, right? Some people.

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