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Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.26 18:37:00 - [121] This thread made me LOL. Originally by: Thor Xian I use a named WCS called "Situational Awareness".
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.26 18:38:00 - [122] Edited by: Pesadel0 on 26/01/2007 18:35:17 Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Pesadel0 Go with your battlestar to bob/AAA/D2/LV space pirating ,and then you will be my hero. Take you're 25 billion isk ship into a situation where you can't win and you'll be this guy's hero. Um, no thanks. This the problem with people, in order to be "good" or "gain respect" you have to be incredibly stupid. If you're smart and don't engage in unwinnable battles then you're a "noob." I think I'd rather be a "noob" than be respected by idiots. So basically you are saying that he is a smart man because he engages with is mother ship because he knows he has nothing to loose? Isn¦t that a carebear? What you dont seem too grasp is that mother ships are invisible in low sec . So to me he is like a filthy carebear in empire doing money without danger.So he must be the king of carebears and he says he despises carebears so i would assume he as some mental disorder ,because he dislikes himself.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:01:00 - [123] Quote: What you dont seem too grasp is that mother ships are invisible in low sec . Ofc they are invisible! Cloaks are mandatory modules for all those who share my view that the most important strategy in Eve is to make sure always that you have a plan to provide for unmolested time to take a crap on the toilet anytime you need to. TBH, the ability to take a crap unmolested is what drives 95% of my Eve decisionmaking. The other 5% is how to free up at least one computer for pron
Alowishus OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:28:00 - [124] Originally by: Pesadel0 So basically you are saying that he is a smart man because he engages with is mother ship because he knows he has nothing to loose? I'm saying he's a smart man because he makes money and nobody can stop him. Originally by: Pesadel0 Isn¦t that a carebear? Carebear is a general term, to me it's one who does not kill people for profit, or kill people at all. And then there are the really zealous carebears who don't want non-consentual PvP in the game at all. But simply being smart about combat does not make you a carebear. Everyone is going to have there own opinion. My philosophy is that people need to be more careful how they use these general terms like PvP, piracy, griefing, carebear and what not. I stopped judging the tactics of others a long time ago and weighed their success in the game by how well they accomplished their own goals. Most people do not do this. Most people judge others by how well they cater to, or match, whatever they see as an ideal play style. Ridiculous. Originally by: Origin Prior You were gate camping, how lame can you get.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.26 20:15:00 - [125] Originally by: tiller Calm down guys... I suggest that a ship needs a rethink, at least in low sec and get called a 'carebear' a dozen times by people I've never heard of. I mean, you should hear yourselves... 'carebear pirate'... what the hell are you jibber jabbering about. lol just LOL Its official, I think I completely agree with Tiller on this one. /signed -Karlemgne
Psychia	Posted - 2007.01.26 21:29:00 - [126] Edited by: Psychia on 26/01/2007 21:25:37 Originally by: Dixon Unfortunately I was one of Miz' victims last night. Although the experience of a slow (and it was really slow) death by an Archon and a Nyx was Pirate Motherships - Need NERFBAT soon(tm) ? fairly unpleasant I did enjoy the fact that he is cleaning up a rather macro-infested area. So it's not all bad I guess... yeah it was a slow death with u have a fully tanked arma with 26 ogres hitting u and them dieing non stoped
Jim Lovell Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:48:00 - [127] Stop being a Crybaby OH NOES a `solo pwn mobili` NOOB STFU they WONT remove it they should reove YOU
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:49:00 - [128] Originally by: Xendie what you dont get is that you will never kill a mothership without putting 20bill worth of ships or more on the line. Since when have ships needed equal value to destroy? You can kill a 100+mil ISK BS with a couple mil worth of frigs and cruisers. You can kill a dread with a couple properly fitted BS, yet you need an omgwtfhuge fleet for a MS or titan because they're damn near impossible to tackle (with them being impossible to tackle in lowsec). Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Davina Sienar	Posted - 2007.01.27 01:06:00 - [129] Edited by: Davina Sienar on 27/01/2007 01:04:21
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.27 01:06:00 - [130] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Pesadel0 So basically you are saying that he is a smart man because he engages with is mother ship because he knows he has nothing to loose? I'm saying he's a smart man because he makes money and nobody can stop him. So anyone with a MS is smart? Your logic is horribly flawed on this. What people are pointing at in Miz's case, is that he constantly says how he hates carebears, likely due to their 'no risk' way of playing the game. Yet Miz sits in a ship which is nearly invincible in lowsec due to an oversight in designs, giving it an edge that it should not have. Problems like the inability to tackle a MS or Titan in lowsec are no different than the problems CCP had with the ability to use accel gates on carriers and dreads. I have very little doubt that CCP will let the situation remain forever, mainly due to the mention that they are considering the use of bubbles in lowsec. That, along with perhaps AOE ignoring bubble emitters, would fix the problem. No more unstoppable MS with a full rack of officer smartbombs, no more tackle immunity in lowsec, and no more "oh just use a nano-carrier/dread along with a dozen NOS boats" arguement to justify an oversight and flaw. Or they could simply disallow MS and Titans to enter lowsec, claim it's due to empire regulations or whatever, just like the inability to make a cyno in highsec. However simply allowing bubbles into lowsec will likely fix the problem, and if not, then make bubbles ignore AOE so that a single officer smartbomb doesn't offset the one thing that can lock them down. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
AmarrCitizen456345	Posted - 2007.01.27 01:07:00 - [131] btw... if any wants to join in the attempt to kill a mothership.... its one in lowsec -> katugumur from STK they also have 1 dread and 2-3 carriers there...
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.27 01:10:00 - [132] Please I need targets.
superscarface 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.27 01:14:00 - [133] 15 of our battleships bumping a mothership worked for half a minute or so, until he was somehow bumped towards his warp out point and insta-warped. I suppose it could be done with enough patience and luck, which probably outweighs the advantage of blowing up 25 billion isk.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.27 22:02:00 - [134] Originally by: AmarrCitizen456345 btw... if any wants to join in the attempt to kill a mothership.... its one in lowsec -> katugumur from STK they also have 1 dread and 2-3 carriers there... I can assist you in your attempt, you see those yellow and black chevrons at the bottom left of your screen? That's the undock button.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:41:00 - [135] Quote: A ship thats only affected by warp bubbles should not be allowed to enter space where warp bubbles are unable to be used. Pretty much says it all imo.
Tarantella Serpantine Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.01.28 02:46:00 - [136] Originally by: Lord Violent The problem isnt with the ship. Its the fact that something designed to be the pinical of alliance based warfare in 0.0 can be picked up and used by any rich chump in low sec. Want a pirate MS? fine come pirate 0.0. They do need to move through low sec they have ****ty jump range as is and nerfing their ability to enter is a slight griefing of the pilots. However like dictor bubbles I dont see any reason why you cant have a little message "concord legislation prevents the use of warp core reinforcement in empire space. Do you still wish to jump to this location?" move it, fight back with it but no immunity in low sec gets my vote. A voice of reason ammid the rabblerabblerabble. This would get my vote, if we could vote that is. -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:35:00 - [137] Capital warp disruptors.
umah	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:38:00 - [138] lol I saws ur Nyx in Maut along with ur little bait ship... Its good fur business, keep it up ... Originally by: Miz Cenuij Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07 I do pirate in a Nyx. I do keep a cyno alt in gang at all times. I also have a full rack of 10k smartbombs fitted, so interdictor bubbles woudnt stop me for any longer than it takes me to hit F1 - F6. To be clear, this ship retails at 25 - 30 billion, only my own and the establishments are currently common knowledge as pirate ships operating in low sec. As such they are an elitist ship. Of all the thousands upon thousands of pilots, only a number of pilots which you can count on one hand fly them in this manner. As such we represent an individual and unique challenge to those with the willpower to attempt to bring us down. I know how I would go about bringing down my ship, so instead of whining to Devs, get your acts together and do somthing for yourselves. Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire. I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me. All my love, Miz. xxx
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:30:00 - [139] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Capital warp disruptors. Also known as "Tobias' Modified Warp Disruptor" The Establishment is at your service...
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:11:00 - [140] Originally by: AmarrCitizen456345 btw... if any wants to join in the attempt to kill a mothership.... its one in lowsec -> katugumur from STK they also have 1 dread and 2-3 carriers there... lol someone got pwned - Gob
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:04:00 - [141] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: DeckardIRL Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate. Deck Seriously, why are you still allowed to post? I think the general consensus of this thread agrees with my original post. As much as I hate piewats and Miz is using his Nyx as he sees fit I see no reason for more Nerfs. Like he said... find his cyno scout take him out, at the same time try and get his cloaked safespotted Nyx... which will be near impossible. So Nerfbat is pointless. Deck PS Neon GFY _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:54:00 - [142] Capital ships are needed to take out other Capital ships optimally. I dont see why a group of 20 Dreads couldn't gank a mothership...with the right support ships (covert ops, etc). At least thats my opinion. Merc Blog
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:34:00 - [143] Originally by: Karash Amerius Capital ships are needed to take out other Capital ships optimally. I dont see why a group of 20 Dreads couldn't gank a mothership...with the right support ships (covert ops, etc). At least thats my opinion. Because when the first 5 start jumping in I'm sure you'd start getting nervous and jump out Half Assed Rhymage
Khan Dhu Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:02:00 - [144] Hey Miz, Have you stopped using the officer/faction smartbombs on that Nyx? Sitting in range of the deceleration point (for both Warp to Zero and idiot autopiloters) between gates and using them to instapop frigates and pods doesn't sound like an intentional game mechanic, and I was wondering if the lack of them showing up on your killmails as of late means you were contacted by a GM about it. I've got no problem with someone using a mothership to pirate - especially against people stupid enough to autopilot nowadays. But (if you are indeed doing this) if you're sitting on the deceleration point of gates (where ships come out of warp) and activating smartbombs so even the Warp to Zero pilots (specifically frigates) can't initiate a jump before they're toast, that sounds like a blatant perversion of game mechanics to me. I don't really give a damn - you don't play 24/7, I've never been killed by you, and when you're online and I see multiple kills inside the last hour in Crielere I just don't have to go to Jita from Heimatar that badly. A pirate's worst enemy is a guy who just isn't in a rush. :) But...if you're not using them anymore - disregard this whole post.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:06:00 - [145] Miz, i'd just like to say that you're a real *****, a grade a griefing son of a *** and I like you! Let's do lunch some day <3
Tsueng	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:48:00 - [146] Well, I think its obvious that any oversight or abuse of game mechanics isn't "smart" or particularly intelligent - its just a bug that requires fixing. In this case, it appears the bug is the Mothership. There's my 2 cents.
Miz Cenuij Simply Smacktackular	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:58:00 - [147] Yeh, I try to get even the warp to 0 guys mid warp but it aint as easy as it sed to be. On the bright side though, warp to 0, as we all know doesnt actually warp to 0. More often than not, it leaves the stupid little bears sat 2k off the gate, wondering WTF is hapening and what are all those pretty fireworks around that big ship over there. That will be me, as might right hand hits F1 - F6 and my left hand beats frantically inside my flight suit as yet another STD infested inbred empire bear gets lit up. Whatever it takes, an invulnerable ship, mid warp smart bombing, the carebear filth in empire deserves everything they get. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Princess Porno	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:03:00 - [148] Edited by: Princess **o on 30/01/2007 09:06:22 ummm... How many here have tried to fight a mothership in low-sec? A very bored mothership pilot decided to try his out in our area, locals mounted up against it. I think he had 11 bs kills as they tried to nos/neut and kill fighters. They failed. The mothership pilot even said in local he wanted to give a good run in low-sec as he was able to warp out, didn't risk being ewar-***d to death, and could always cyno out whenever he wanted -and with a cloaking device. Eventually the pilot got bored as the local said "screw trying to kill you, we'll just frigate pwn your fighters." They actually killed about 8 in all -not just the frig squad, but the unfortunate group that got raped. Yes, Motherships and Titans need to be 0.0 only, carriers and dreads limited to low-sec and 0.0. No, Interdictor Spheres do not need to be usable in low-sec. If they become low-sec capable, it's going to ** off a lot of gankers and gankees alike. -side note, dictor spheres aren't going to do jack against a 4000+ m/s battleship or battlecruisers, not even matari recon ships are going to slow it up due to the mofo's sheer velocity and momentum. When a BS can outrun an interceptor, something in the game is royally screwed up. And Miz, you are a muppet. Go play Space Cowboy.
Solant Minmatar C A P S U L E Edge of Sanity	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:55:00 - [149] Originally by: Jovius Marginus Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 24/01/2007 21:51:08 Well seeing as how a blob of light drones can stop my carrier from warping I fail to see how 25b worth of ships cant stop a mothership. If mass is really a problem just set 25 carriers around it so it keeps getting little bumps. Undock at Jita 4-4 in a BS and try to warp. You'll see what I mean. In the end with enough Dreads and carriers you can melt the thing like butter. Outbreak only used BS and got it to half armor. Imagine 25 carriers all attacking it with BS support and you have a Mothership kill. Also you wont kill a station Dread if he has scouts or he just pops the nano BS first. As has been stated many times, a ship can not be balanced based purely off of how much ISK it costs to build, or how many ships of X isk value can take it down... motherships are prohibitively expensive because they are meant for alliances to use in fleet battles. It is OBVIOUS that CCP did not put these ships ingame for people to run rampant in lowsec slaughtering people who are completely unable to defend themselves in any reliable manner. For anyone to suggest that this is an intended use for these ships is idiocy.
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:14:00 - [150] it must be hard when your stabs have been nerfed so you can't be the best pvper in eve sniping shuttles from 250km Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib

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