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Chode Rizoum Minmatar TEMPTATION INC.	Posted - 2007.02.04 21:12:00 - [241] Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 04/02/2007 21:09:13 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Elderberry Whine	Posted - 2007.02.05 00:42:00 - [242] This is exactly why you don't see carriers in combat, they can be scrambled... Seems the idea that carriers are supposed be with the fleet and motherships is supposed to stick in the back is assbackwards because of this. Originally by: kublai Anything can be blobbed, -anything- If we enable warp scrambling of motherships we will stop seing them in combat.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:13:00 - [243] Originally by: Elderberry Whine This is exactly why you don't see carriers in combat, they can be scrambled... Seems the idea that carriers are supposed be with the fleet and motherships is supposed to stick in the back is assbackwards because of this. Originally by: kublai Anything can be blobbed, -anything- If we enable warp scrambling of motherships we will stop seing them in combat. Carriers can actually be seen quite often in the front lines, they're great for remote repping/shield boosting etc and truly a good addition to a close range fleet, however, these arent such a great loss factoring in insurance, and while they do die now and then, a carrier is not something you kill with ease. That said, losing a carrier is a grave loss, but not so grave one wont risk it. Now a mothership...nobody will pay 25bill for a ship that's really not much more powerfull than two or three carriers if you risk losing it to a blobtrap. They will rather invest in reserve carriers causing near extinction of these very cool ships. As far as I know, there is not a single mothership that has me as +blue in eve, but who cares, this isn't about me, it's about EvE-Online staying unique.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:33:00 - [244] Edited by: Karlemgne on 05/02/2007 16:29:39 Originally by: kublai Originally by: Elderberry Whine This is exactly why you don't see carriers in combat, they can be scrambled... Seems the idea that carriers are supposed be with the fleet and motherships is supposed to stick in the back is assbackwards because of this. Originally by: kublai Anything can be blobbed, -anything- If we enable warp scrambling of motherships we will stop seing them in combat. Carriers can actually be seen quite often in the front lines, they're great for remote repping/shield boosting etc and truly a good addition to a close range fleet, however, these arent such a great loss factoring in insurance, and while they do die now and then, a carrier is not something you kill with ease. That said, losing a carrier is a grave loss, but not so grave one wont risk it. Now a mothership...nobody will pay 25bill for a ship that's really not much more powerfull than two or three carriers if you risk losing it to a blobtrap. They will rather invest in reserve carriers causing near extinction of these very cool ships. As far as I know, there is not a single mothership that has me as +blue in eve, but who cares, this isn't about me, it's about EvE-Online staying unique. How about this: Create more money sinks to funnel money out of the economy, and reduce inflation. Institute some market changes to reduce the tech 2 monopolies. Make ships like a mothership more viable, in otherwords, more affordable. Allow them to be killed (i.e. scrambled) like any other ship in the game. Obviouslly, this requires a number of tweaks, and it isn't as simple as I've laid down here. However, more important than anything else is the game economy. It is one of the grossest, most inflated (and thus prohibative to new players) I've ever seen in an MMO. -Karlemgne
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:59:00 - [245] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 05/02/2007 17:55:45 Originally by: Joanne S Its a simple question of balance. The fact a Mothership can enter Low Sec means there should be a way to remove it. If there is no way to remove it (& none has been proffered so far) then it shouldn't be there. It is worth noting that the judgement of Davlin Lotze is hardly a basis for any decision; since he spends most of his time, in a Mothership, desroying Noobs in Low Sec. After he lost a carrier doing exactly the same thing! If you would like to see the Bestower Crushing Power of Mothership Pirates visit Teshkat, it an awesome display of imbalance. There is 2 of them there now! HALP! The altz squad is here with sekrets about my killing tendencies! Or just ignorance and lies. Here's some facts about my first month or so of Motherly killing: Touch me in my special spot! Please note that the overall number of battleships killed greatly exceeds the number of haulers. But you know what? It just seems whenever I go to gemodil, the retards come out in haulers to gawk or continue their macromining ways. So I kill them. Am I a hero or goat? :)
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:23:00 - [246] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 05/02/2007 17:55:45 Originally by: Joanne S Its a simple question of balance. The fact a Mothership can enter Low Sec means there should be a way to remove it. If there is no way to remove it (& none has been proffered so far) then it shouldn't be there. It is worth noting that the judgement of Davlin Lotze is hardly a basis for any decision; since he spends most of his time, in a Mothership, desroying Noobs in Low Sec. After he lost a carrier doing exactly the same thing! If you would like to see the Bestower Crushing Power of Mothership Pirates visit Teshkat, it an awesome display of imbalance. There is 2 of them there now! HALP! The altz squad is here with sekrets about my killing tendencies! Or just ignorance and lies. Here's some facts about my first month or so of Motherly killing: Touch me in my special spot! Please note that the overall number of battleships killed greatly exceeds the number of haulers. But you know what? It just seems whenever I go to gemodil, the retards come out in haulers to gawk or continue their macromining ways. So I kill them. Am I a hero or goat? :) You are part hero part goat, btw... you want to join OctoberSnow ?, we have a opening for a solopwnmobile just like yours. (im serious btw) Visit the no.2 PVPer in eve : http://www.october-snow.com/
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:21:00 - [247] Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/02/2007 19:27:08 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm Hah! He wants a ship that doesn't die. If not concentrated scrambling to hold them down then capital ship level scramblers. Anything to make killing them in low-sec possible. Do you in all honestly, think someone will lose a mothership in low-sec with current mechanics? Can you see it from that point of view? If someone does lose one then I'll apologise officially. It's not nice to see people screaming for your ship of choice' blood but its only going to get worse. Why? Because more and more motherships are going to be ganking defenceless people in low-sec and they'll have no chance of returning the favour. You honestly think Eve players are going to stand for that for any length of time? Anyway this has become akin to headbutting a wall so I'll just let time do the healing. I'm confident the problem will become evident a few months down the line.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:34:00 - [248] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/02/2007 19:27:08 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm Hah! He wants a ship that doesn't die. If not concentrated scrambling to hold them down then capital ship level scramblers. Anything to make killing them in low-sec possible. Do you in all honestly, think someone will lose a mothership in low-sec with current mechanics? Can you see it from that point of view? If someone does lose one then I'll apologise officially. It's not nice to see people screaming for your ship of choice' blood but its only going to get worse. Why? Because more and more motherships are going to be ganking defenceless people in low-sec and they'll have no chance of returning the favour. You honestly think Eve players are going to stand for that for any length of time? Anyway this has become akin to headbutting a wall so I'll just let time do the healing. I'm confident the problem will become evident a few months down the line. How is it they are harder to kill in low sec, as opposed to 0.0? I have argumented this in many of my previous posts, care to tell me how you disagree?
tiller OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:43:00 - [249] Edited by: tiller on 05/02/2007 19:40:28 Originally by: kublai Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/02/2007 19:27:08 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm Hah! He wants a ship that doesn't die. If not concentrated scrambling to hold them down then capital ship level scramblers. Anything to make killing them in low-sec possible. Do you in all honestly, think someone will lose a mothership in low-sec with current mechanics? Can you see it from that point of view? If someone does lose one then I'll apologise officially. It's not nice to see people screaming for your ship of choice' blood but its only going to get worse. Why? Because more and more motherships are going to be ganking defenceless people in low-sec and they'll have no chance of returning the favour. You honestly think Eve players are going to stand for that for any length of time? Anyway this has become akin to headbutting a wall so I'll just let time do the healing. I'm confident the problem will become evident a few months down the line. How is it they are harder to kill in low sec, as opposed to 0.0? I have argumented this in many of my previous posts, care to tell me how you disagree? Fleets generally do not operate in low sec. Visit the no.2 PVPer in eve : http://www.october-snow.com/
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:09:00 - [250] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/02/2007 19:27:08 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm You honestly think Eve players are going to stand for that for any length of time? Anyway this has become akin to headbutting a wall so I'll just let time do the healing. I'm confident the problem will become evident a few months down the line. These forums should not become a point of ceaseless "head banging" against a wall. I've tried to consider what you've said and your arguments in general. To a degree I understand your concerns. However, in point of fact, alot of people that die to me aren't defenseless and there are alot more than cruise right by my camps without a degree of worry because they have the skills and situational awareness to operate safely in 0,0 AND low sec. What I will add here is that there are ALOT of corps\individuals who want or think they deserve the right to run around low sec like they do in empire, ie, "free from risk" or at least free from the responsibility or requirement that everyone who has ever lived in 0,0 meets everyday they hop into their pods. You have to watch your back. You have to decide before you move from point A to point B, "Am I traveling or am I traveling but also making myself ready to fight if necessary?" I guarantee you without support, there is no way I can tackle a BS with 3 stabs or more OR a couple nano's\i-stabs. They are fitted purely for travel and I can't touch them alone in low sec. So I guess I'm gonna turn this thing around and ask whether it is your intent to make life easier for those who just aren't thinking and preparing themselves for what they might face in low sec, or what? Because it's the careless that I'm catching right now. The prepared person survives. If every person in low sec in a battleship paid attention to what I just said in the last couple paragraphs, I dare say my kill total would plummet in low sec and I'd be forced to get support or get out to 0,0 and implement some of the existing ways to catch people, dictor bubbles, deployable bubbles, etc. So, let's summarize to this point. I've told you how to avoid me, and I've told you how to give me repeatedly an effective kicking in the balls by fashioning a way to take 1/2 billion from me in fighters each time we meet. Yet balance for you still hinges on the trophy kill mail? A legitimate question that I'm not sure you've answered to this point. I know you think you guys tried every which way to bump the EST's Nyx when you met. You think that's a fruitless endeavor or approach. Get a mom of your own and do your own tests. I think what you will learn will surprise you. But you know, you're still gonna have to bring more than what your used to fighting with to take down either a mom or a titan. I've always had the highest level of respect for Outbreak(being ex-FIX myself long long ago when the first SA wars made 9cg a fun place to be) and I know you all pride yourselves on rolling with less and accomplishing more. But it's not enough and shouldn't be enough to take down these top tier capships. I'm thinking the real party starts somewhere around 8 to 10 dreads and a half dozen carriers. Look at what BoB brought to the table for an UNPILOTED titan. They had at least one mom of their own there. These are just some thoughts. Sorry if some of my spirited replies felt as though they were directed to you or Outbreak when their true targets were the mouth breathing Wow population in this thread. P.S. Tiller et al, please direct all recruiting inquires to me ingame. It is true I am looking for the right kind of alliance to join. Shooty of CVA is a PLUS for potential alliances\corps hehe :D

Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:14:00 - [251] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/02/2007 19:40:28 Originally by: kublai Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/02/2007 19:27:08 kublai for king of reason! but ye kublai is right.. they are fine atm Hah! He wants a ship that doesn't die. If not concentrated scrambling to hold them down then capital ship level scramblers. Anything to make killing them in low-sec possible. Do you in all honestly, think someone will lose a mothership in low-sec with current mechanics? Can you see it from that point of view? If someone does lose one then I'll apologise officially. It's not nice to see people screaming for your ship of choice' blood but its only going to get worse. Why? Because more and more motherships are going to be ganking defenceless people in low-sec and they'll have no chance of returning the favour. You honestly think Eve players are going to stand for that for any length of time? Anyway this has become akin to headbutting a wall so I'll just let time do the healing. I'm confident the problem will become evident a few months down the line. How is it they are harder to kill in low sec, as opposed to 0.0? I have argumented this in many of my previous posts, care to tell me how you disagree? Fleets generally do not operate in low sec. AFAIK, just for your edification, a 100+ man CVA fleet dispatched two death star POS's I was operating in Keshirou and Ordat respectively. They attacked initially whilst I was sleeping. Still, they were proficient in their work and since WoW has reclaimed the gaming attentions of the family member and other active member of Raging, I didn't exactly have the wherewithall to counter their moves in any manner. You will see true "Fleets" in low sec, especially in low sec Amarrian space.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:39:00 - [252] Well I personnally don't believe they should be made easier to kill and the reasons why have been brought up enough times already in this thread.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:10:00 - [253] Excellent post Davlin! I just think practically immune, remote sensor boosted motherships sat on low-sec choke points farming passers by is a step in the wrong direction for this game. I think the prospect of trying to kill one in empire is essentially hopeless. I think Eve players will just start to avoid them and find a way round rather than trying to kill them. As they become more and more common in empire with pirate corps owning 4 or 5 we'll see low-sec stagnate further. Gangs of indestructable pirate capital ships floating about doing as they please with no real fears. I understand your points about losing lots of isks worth of fighters but I don't play this game to inflict financial damage on people. I play it to reap the satisfaction that is destroying their ship and sometimes their pod. You're a pvp'er yourself, can you honestly say that destroying a carriers fighters is as satisfying as blowing up a battleship? Isk just doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned. When a player is introduced to pvp for the first time they learn that the single most important thing to do is fit a scrambler. You don't kill anything unless you can make it stay. This ideology seems to have flown out the window with the introduction of motherships to low-sec. In theory they can be destroyed in empire but as far as I'm concerned it's putting a price on immortality. It's early days, I guess we'll just have to see what happens. I don't see how further argument will change anything or convince either party otherwise. I will comment no further on the matter.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:22:00 - [254] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 06/02/2007 02:22:07 Originally by: welsh wizard I understand your points about losing lots of isks worth of fighters but I don't play this game to inflict financial damage on people. I play it to reap the satisfaction that is destroying their ship and sometimes their pod. You're a pvp'er yourself, can you honestly say that destroying a carriers fighters is as satisfying as blowing up a battleship? Isk just doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned. Well , Mr Outbreak man, I totally agree with you on the isk point. I want to see exploding ships..not virtual money loss. On a grumpy side note, I have the opportunity to make a bil in a day playing silly kosmos stuff, but I get more pleasure from jumping in a rupture and taking down a cruiser in a belt. As for mother ships..hmmm, I would like to see them excluded from low sec, OR dictors being allowed in low sec. At the moment, MS are just way overpowered, regardless of the cost. I have been in fleet trying to kill pirate MS in low sec, fleet is worth around 50bil with dreads and carriers...but it still cant get the Nyx...and thats not right Edit..counting it up..I guess more like 50..not 80 Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Sentri Gun	Posted - 2007.02.06 06:57:00 - [255] Its a crazy expensive ship I don't think the players of eve really need to worry about an epidemic of solo mothership pvpers.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:26:00 - [256] Originally by: Sentri Gun Its a crazy expensive ship I don't think the players of eve really need to worry about an epidemic of solo mothership pvpers. Ok just one more comment :P Thats the other problem, the isk has devalued so drastically that actually 25billion isn't that much. Theres probably 100+ players out there who could afford their own titan if someone were to build it for them.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:00:00 - [257] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=476875
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:00:00 - [258] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=476875
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:22:00 - [259] Originally by: Mangold http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=476875 I saw this link comming once I read that thread. But please note they bubbled the sh!t out of helen and that can't be done in lowsec Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills
Cavtrooper Caldari Hades Ascent	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:21:00 - [260] Lol, I love this thread! Leave the motherships be... so much fun! Need a jump clone? Tired of jumping 30 jumps to hang out with friends? Try our new Jump Clone Service!

DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:33:00 - [261] Is this thread still going? I already won this thread... 2 MoMs killed this week..... Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:41:00 - [262] This thread was won on the first page: Originally by: Portios Smith A ship thats only affected by warp bubbles should not be allowed to enter space where warp bubbles are unable to be used.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:45:00 - [263] Originally by: DeckardIRL I already won this thread... 2 MoMs killed this week..... Deck Orly? Whereabouts was this? 0.0 doesn't count obviously.
Major Shake Gallente Lunar-Base	Posted - 2007.02.18 02:16:00 - [264] Originally by: DeckardIRL Is this thread still going? I already won this thread... 2 MoMs killed this week..... Deck You don't read the threads that those kills were posted in did you? Both were on 0.0 this is a thread about lowsec Mother Ships Also 1 was bubbled to **** + bump carrier (can't be done in lowsec except for the bump carrier) The other Died in a lag bug as he was told he was in warp yet he was taking damage so stfu plz k thnx bye
piewat	Posted - 2007.04.14 09:37:00 - [265] Originally by: Portios Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A ship thats only affected by warp bubbles should not be allowed to enter space where warp bubbles are unable to be used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QFT!
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.04.14 11:11:00 - [266] Warp stabs were removed for a reason. There should be a risk of "loss of ship" when flying any ship. Titans, and Motherships should not have infinite warp scram strength. The end.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.14 11:40:00 - [267] Necro much? -----
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.04.14 12:11:00 - [268] In with the necro before the lock ! "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
c0matose	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:28:00 - [269] Ban them from low sec.
sunshine bear North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:55:00 - [270] IBTS.



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