Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 03/02/2007 13:28:16

well ok kublai, if solopwnmobiles are indeed ok, then plz ccp... can we have some cheaper ones thx.

to everyone else who keeps posting about, blah mofo ship is 25bill thats the cost of the fleet needed to take it down... you really think that the value of a ship should dictate the force needed to take it down ?. If so, then I want 500k shield on my rasttlesnake plz. thx


thought of the day: over balance can make a mmo feel dull

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard.

It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times.

In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile.

Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-(

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard.

It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times.

In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile.

Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-(

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard.

It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times.

In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile.

Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-(

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard.

It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times.

In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile.

Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-(

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It didn't die then ?

Now there's a surprise...

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Tbh kublai your viewpoint is just a little too comfortable to be debating this.

You're arguing it so fervently because you want your sensor boosted monster to continue ganking battleships by the hundreds at some low-sec chokepoint. If you'd step away from the bias just a little you may realise that there is no hope of removing said ship from that gate unless it chooses to leave.

That ship, when in empire goes where it pleases, kill what it pleases and there is no price to pay. Lost fighters? Hah! This game isn't about material loss its about overcoming your opponent and basking in the knwledge that you've set about their demise. That ship ignores these points, goes where it wants, does what it pleases and doesn't pay the price.

It has to change.

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You fail in this thread because you want things balanced with the "trophy" momship killmail as the standard.

It is NOT the appropriate standard for reasons stated in this thread many times.

In fact, NOTHING has to change. Ask MC or MM if they think things should change. Were their recent fights involving moms lacking in any way? Indeed it was the MC mom that had to leave the field and jump out if memory serves after losing two regular carriers. Fleeing the field is hardly the role of the overpowered zomg pwnmobile.

Your pursuit of the holy grail of the momship killmail is blinding you to reason. 8-(

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It didn't die then ?

Now there's a surprise...

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The fight took place in 0.0, seleene damn near died to bumping and no dictor bubble was ever named even a REMOTE solution to destroy this ship.

How in the hell do you people manage to get owned by MS's all the time?

I utterly fail to see how this is different from tillers style of play with his "CCP BETTER permit me to kill everything that moves trough my gate, and damn them to hell and cinders should they make this risky for me and my battleship crew!"

Oh but, you can kill tillers Raven.

How many Ravens would 25billion ISK + what you lose in fighters buy you though...that's alot of ravens right there, i'd wager you could maintain it on fighter losses alone.

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Kublai, you must have realized by now that most of the people in this forum know that you flame alot, and throw alot of insults mixed with hostility in your posts.

And most of them take what you say with a grain of salt. Or is this phenomenon not sinking into your head yet?

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Kublai, you must have realized by now that most of the people in this forum know that you flame alot, and throw alot of insults mixed with hostility in your posts.

And most of them take what you say with a grain of salt. Or is this phenomenon not sinking into your head yet?

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The same could be said of Tiller and his attention whoring.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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So is there a reason presented in this thread that says why you shouldn't be able to scramble an MS aside from the "You can kill its fighters" argument. Because I mean sure you can throw out money figures and all but think about it proportionately

Going to use gallente ships for this example

Vexor you can kill its drones and scramble (not that expensive of a ship and maybe 14 mill in drones)

Ishkur 20 mill + Drones and it results in the kill its drones scramble it and let it die

Dominix 60 mill + Drones resulting in kill the drones and watch it die

Ishtar 200 mill + Drones still resulting in kill the drones (a lot more drones) and watch it die

Thantanos 1-2 billion + Fighters but the same rules apply

Nyx 14 - 30 billion + Fighters and officer mods but the rules change.

The price of invulnerability is that cheap? (as in invulnerability should be priceless)

I have never seen or fought a mother ship but I still don't get what was the theory behind making what was designed as a support ship able to run away all the time if that is the case make the Guardian, Onieros, Scimitar, and Basilisk immune to warp scrambling

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Kublai, you must have realized by now that most of the people in this forum know that you flame alot, and throw alot of insults mixed with hostility in your posts.

And most of them take what you say with a grain of salt. Or is this phenomenon not sinking into your head yet?

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The same could be said of Tiller and his attention whoring.

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Kublai, you must have realized by now that most of the people in this forum know that you flame alot, and throw alot of insults mixed with hostility in your posts.

And most of them take what you say with a grain of salt. Or is this phenomenon not sinking into your head yet?

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The same could be said of Tiller and his attention whoring.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: kublai

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Could you READ what I write before responding?

I really don't think a man who brags about logging to save his pod should complain about OTHERS being allegidly invunerable.

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Sorry no :-))

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Well tiller, since you admittely don't actually argue what I say, rather than arguing my nick, i'll ignore you as i'm debating something here, when you wanto utalize actuall arguments and read before replying and all that stuff, then perhaps we can talk.

Until then, I suggest you stop spamming posts.

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Kublai, you must have realized by now that most of the people in this forum know that you flame alot, and throw alot of insults mixed with hostility in your posts.

And most of them take what you say with a grain of salt. Or is this phenomenon not sinking into your head yet?

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The same could be said of Tiller and his attention whoring.

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I was just thinking the complete opposite. 99% of people taking as much abuse as he is right now would have lost it and started ranting.

He takes your crap on the chin.

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