Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Would it really matter?

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Would it really matter?

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Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Would it really matter?

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Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it

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Me think you need to read shamis's thread.

DE

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Originally by: Raul deMalte

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Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:07:39
Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:06:12
<proactive whine>
Yeah! And while we're at it, CCP pls nerf the nano-nos-titan.
I haven't heard about it yet but one can't be too careful...
</proactive whine>

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Dictors should work in low sec

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Would it really matter?

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Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it

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Me think you need to read shamis's thread.

DE

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No, no I have I was answering the question of bubbles in low-sec

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Originally by: Skywalker

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Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36
Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller.

I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill.

Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability.
Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire.
This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice.

Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: Skywalker

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Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36
Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller.

I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill.

Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability.
Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire.
This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice.

Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also.

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Not true Outbreak tried the bump method and the mass of the Nyx made their efforts futile

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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no, hell no!

for one mothership you can buy n fit 10 dreads. 10 dreads is more than enough to take it down with a bump or two.

who says an angry mob of nos boats should always win by default?

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Originally by: Skywalker

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Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36
Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller.

I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill.

Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability.
Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire.
This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice.

Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07

Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire.

I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me.

All my love, Miz. xxx

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Originally by: Rathroc

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07

Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire.

I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me.

All my love, Miz. xxx

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and people wonder why carebears don't dare to enter lowsec....

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Originally by: tiller

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it need fixing before more pilots can use them in combat

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Originally by: Heikki

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Originally by: tiller

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it need fixing before more pilots can use them in combat

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Why? Wouldn't it be enough if the issue was fixed when it becomes a real problem?

As long as CCP holds on stance those ships are for fleet support, whiners wouldn't have no case for riot when the ships piracy abilities are slighly nerfed one day.

-Lasse
who thinks motherships are killable if people have the will

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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Only thing I agree with you on this Tiller is the built in stab limit but I think even 30 is to low, 50 built in stab would be better. It is 25 billion isk that some one has spent alot of time to get and should not lose so easyly, I can only dream of having such a ship, I'm way to lazy to get one at this time.

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Originally by: Jovius Marginus

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Well Im sure you will agree that a Mothership is alot worse than 25 carriers and is just as killable as station dread so I don't see the problem.

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Originally by: Jovius Marginus

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The only way to kill both a Mothership and station Dread is bumping which will never work if either pilot is smart. Therefore a smart Dread or Mothership pilot will never die. If you want to nerf one than you have to nerf the other as well. Also you seem to warn of a Mothership epidemic yet I see Dreads on station all over lowsec. Seems to be the new way to pirate.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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IF devs nerf Battlestar Miz because some jelous bears are angry, I'll get real angry.

I make no secret of where I hunt. Tiller, bring your corp, rent a whole alliance, buy a backobone and come take a shot like a man.

Iam the Miz, I will cut you open, tear out your gibbards and feed them to a macro mining empire carebear.

Empire scum make me sick, but someone who would call himself a pirate ranting on the forums because the green eyed monster has siezed him, makes me WTF rage.

Cmon, i'll take all the lot of ya.. YARRRRRRRRRRRR.

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The fact that the 'solopwnmobile' does exist, even though there was never intended to be any in game.. is that not a problem ?

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Once upon a time people stalked the Establishment's Nyx not only for the chance to combat that formidable ship but also because of rumors that it carried in it's belly, Demundus' vindicator or Rawthorn's CNR. One wonders why such formidable hardware is carried around within the bowels of such a beast of a "solopwnmobile"? Was it just extravagance or perhaps just necessary support that greatly enhanced the killing power of that magnificent Nyx????

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Once upon a time people stalked the Establishment's Nyx not only for the chance to combat that formidable ship but also because of rumors that it carried in it's belly, Demundus' vindicator or Rawthorn's CNR. One wonders why such formidable hardware is carried around within the bowels of such a beast of a "solopwnmobile"? Was it just extravagance or perhaps just necessary support that greatly enhanced the killing power of that magnificent Nyx????

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Valid points, but maybe it carried around those ships as the owners knew they were 99% safe to leave them there. A Vindi and CNR is no protection at all in the grand scheme of things....

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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IF devs nerf Battlestar Miz because some jelous bears are angry, I'll get real angry.

I make no secret of where I hunt. Tiller, bring your corp, rent a whole alliance, buy a backobone and come take a shot like a man.

Iam the Miz, I will cut you open, tear out your gibbards and feed them to a macro mining empire carebear.

Empire scum make me sick, but someone who would call himself a pirate ranting on the forums because the green eyed monster has siezed him, makes me WTF rage.

Cmon, i'll take all the lot of ya.. YARRRRRRRRRRRR.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Slightly off-topic here but I've been wondering:

Two to three years from now, when our Captial Ship population has exploded, what will the game be like? 40 vs. 40 Dread wars on a consistent basis?

What happens when every fourth pilot in the game is Cap ship capable?

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 24/01/2007 22:57:22
Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 24/01/2007 22:56:32

Originally by: Dr Slice

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Slightly off-topic here but I've been wondering:

Two to three years from now, when our Captial Ship population has exploded, what will the game be like? 40 vs. 40 Dread wars on a consistent basis?

What happens when every fourth pilot in the game is Cap ship capable?

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What data or factual basis are people using to suggest that this "explosion" in capship population will take place? And what is this talk of "capships" as some amorphous entity? They are not all equal to be sure. Traditional carriers and even dreads are ridiculously easy for regular fleets and even smallish groups to get rid of.

I lost a regular carrier before the HP boost and in retrospect I would have never engaged in the first place under the circumstances unless my setup would have been radically different and the location of the battle could have been elsewhere(ie, not at a gate). (but sometimes the best lessons in Eve are taught when you are at the wrong end of a killmail :) )

Are people worried about more carriers\dreads? Or is this just a momships\titan thing?

And if it's a momship\titan concern in regards to some idea that their numbers will greatly increase, then tell me how that occurs in light of their cost, the amount of support required during the build process, etc? Even the grandest of industrial alliances(D2) are not turning them out THAT rapidly. And aside from them, who are building in significant numbers?

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 24/01/2007 22:57:22
Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 24/01/2007 22:56:32

Originally by: Dr Slice

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Slightly off-topic here but I've been wondering:

Two to three years from now, when our Captial Ship population has exploded, what will the game be like? 40 vs. 40 Dread wars on a consistent basis?

What happens when every fourth pilot in the game is Cap ship capable?

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What data or factual basis are people using to suggest that this "explosion" in capship population will take place? And what is this talk of "capships" as some amorphous entity? They are not all equal to be sure. Traditional carriers and even dreads are ridiculously easy for regular fleets and even smallish groups to get rid of.

I lost a regular carrier before the HP boost and in retrospect I would have never engaged in the first place under the circumstances unless my setup would have been radically different and the location of the battle could have been elsewhere(ie, not at a gate). (but sometimes the best lessons in Eve are taught when you are at the wrong end of a killmail :) )

Are people worried about more carriers\dreads? Or is this just a momships\titan thing?

And if it's a momship\titan concern in regards to some idea that their numbers will greatly increase, then tell me how that occurs in light of their cost, the amount of support required during the build process, etc? Even the grandest of industrial alliances(D2) are not turning them out THAT rapidly. And aside from them, who are building in significant numbers?

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Well I'm asking a very general question. Would you agree to the following statements:

1. As time goes on, the number of pilots capable of flying a Capital ship increases.

2. As time goes on, the number of Capital Ships encountered in the game increases (related to #1).

Since the inception of these ships, more and more pilots are obtaining and piloting them.

So in theory, a couple years from now, are you saying we will be seeing the same number of Cap ships in combat as we do now?

The same thing happened in SWG. As time went on, more and more people began to unlock Jedi status. In time, instead of being rare (as they were intended to be) you reguarly saw 20 vs. 20 Jedi battles which ruined the game for some. This never happened early on in the game's career, only after a couple of years.

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: Xendie

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6-10 carriers+neuts+nos
6-10 bumpers with nos
cyno in some dreads and go to town

its doable tiller, its just not doable with your little gatecamp drake.
you have to scale up.

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Originally by: Rachel Vend

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Remember kids.

If you can't gank it with less than 100 million ISK in 30 seconds, it's overpowered and must be nerfed!

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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan

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wait till a pirate titan shows up. It's only a matter of time before that happens.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: Xendie

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6-10 carriers+neuts+nos
6-10 bumpers with nos
cyno in some dreads and go to town

its doable tiller, its just not doable with your little gatecamp drake.
you have to scale up.

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Every thing seems easier on paper

Show me a vid of an explosion and then we'll talk

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: Xendie

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you will however never kill any mothership/titan in your gatecamp drake.

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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When will the crying stop?

Honestly?

So basically our argument from Mafia is we should do a pre-emptive nerf? Because 2-3 years down the line, something bad MAY happen? Yeesh.

The guy and his corp shelled out 25 bil? Bully. There's gotta be a way to take it down. This post smacks of laziness, and instead of trying to figure out how you just want to nerf.

Really now, may the real carebear please stand up?

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Originally by: DarkElf

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This is where the bumperchon comes in useful

best mwd u can buy
lows full of nanos/i-stabs

he'll never see it coming!

DE

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Originally by: Xendie

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: Xendie

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6-10 carriers+neuts+nos
6-10 bumpers with nos
cyno in some dreads and go to town

its doable tiller, its just not doable with your little gatecamp drake.
you have to scale up.

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Every thing seems easier on paper

Show me a vid of an explosion and then we'll talk

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well im just going on what lemonde said in the titan thread wich made sense and downscaled it a little.
so tell him that his idea sucks.
it is however the most likely idea and it looks doable.
you will however never kill any mothership/titan in your gatecamp drake.

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Originally by: Lord Violent

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The problem isnt with the ship. Its the fact that something designed to be the pinical of alliance based warfare in 0.0 can be picked up and used by any rich chump in low sec. Want a pirate MS? fine come pirate 0.0.

They do need to move through low sec they have ****ty jump range as is and nerfing their ability to enter is a slight griefing of the pilots. However like dictor bubbles I dont see any reason why you cant have a little message "concord legislation prevents the use of warp core reinforcement in empire space. Do you still wish to jump to this location?" move it, fight back with it but no immunity in low sec gets my vote.

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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The complaining just never seems to stop.

Again, not exactly the terror inspiring image of a pirate.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07


I do pirate in a Nyx.

I do keep a cyno alt in gang at all times.

I also have a full rack of 10k smartbombs fitted, so interdictor bubbles woudnt stop me for any longer than it takes me to hit F1 - F6.

To be clear, this ship retails at 25 - 30 billion, only my own and the establishments are currently common knowledge as pirate ships operating in low sec. As such they are an elitist ship. Of all the thousands upon thousands of pilots, only a number of pilots which you can count on one hand fly them in this manner. As such we represent an individual and unique challenge to those with the willpower to attempt to bring us down.

I know how I would go about bringing down my ship, so instead of whining to Devs, get your acts together and do somthing for yourselves.

Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire.

I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me.

All my love, Miz. xxx

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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IF devs nerf Battlestar Miz because some jelous bears are angry, I'll get real angry.

I make no secret of where I hunt. Tiller, bring your corp, rent a whole alliance, buy a backobone and come take a shot like a man.

Iam the Miz, I will cut you open, tear out your gibbards and feed them to a macro mining empire carebear.

Empire scum make me sick, but someone who would call himself a pirate ranting on the forums because the green eyed monster has siezed him, makes me WTF rage.

Cmon, i'll take all the lot of ya.. YARRRRRRRRRRRR.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 25/01/2007 23:08:20



The challenge lies in containing my exitement as yet another piece of stinking empire filth bites the dust under the fire of Battlestar Miz.

I have to try real hard not to cover the room in my excrement everytime I murder a piece of filth with minning lasers on.

You dont even wanna hear me on TS when I get some idiot raging back at me in local.

It's hard being me, it really is.

Flying a Battlestar is super difficult !

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 25/01/2007 23:08:20



The challenge lies in containing my exitement as yet another piece of stinking empire filth bites the dust under the fire of Battlestar Miz.

I have to try real hard not to cover the room in my excrement everytime I murder a piece of filth with minning lasers on.

You dont even wanna hear me on TS when I get some idiot raging back at me in local.

It's hard being me, it really is.

Flying a Battlestar is super difficult !

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Originally by: Rathroc

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07

Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire.

I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me.

All my love, Miz. xxx

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and people wonder why carebears don't dare to enter lowsec....

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Nothing wrong with that. Less people in lowsec more $$$ for those who actually dare to.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Once upon a time I started smartbombing Jita, 6 or 7 times a night in suicide geddons, people complained, petitioned, that particular forum thead reached over 7k reads. Devs made me stop that.

After this empire bears became narked off with people like Ginger, sniping hundreds of em ina day, petitioned, complained, forum *****d. Sentry guns got beefed up.

Now we have warp to 0.

The carebears of this game have a long long history of not doing for themselves but rather whining/petitioning/forum whoring to initiate changes.

Grow a backbone Empire scum, do something for yourselves.

Us pirates/murderers/griefers have been the victims of the nerf bat one too many times, let us say "NO MORE", go forth and gut scum like has posted here today, let us exact upon them our righeous anger.

Last night, so inflamed was I by the empire inbreds on this forum that I and my buddies were FORCED to murder an innocent frieghter.

So go ahead and flame, whine to your devs, it will only fuel my raging hatred of all things empire.

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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan

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wait till a pirate titan shows up. It's only a matter of time before that happens.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 25/01/2007 23:08:20



The challenge lies in containing my exitement as yet another piece of stinking empire filth bites the dust under the fire of Battlestar Miz.

I have to try real hard not to cover the room in my excrement everytime I murder a piece of filth with minning lasers on.

You dont even wanna hear me on TS when I get some idiot raging back at me in local.

It's hard being me, it really is.

Flying a Battlestar is super difficult !

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Originally by: Spaja Saist, about Miz' Battlestar

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Just remember if the motherships get nerfed it will be people like you who are at fault. It was never designed to be used the way you do.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Xendie

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you will however never kill any mothership/titan in your gatecamp drake.

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lol at your continued reference to a battlecruiser.

Please feel free to quote me where I have talked of taking down a mothership with a drake.

If you do have trouble quoting me on above, I refer you to my good friend Dr STFU.

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: Darodem

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Anyone ever heard of a mothership being killed? Please link the killboard.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Empire scum make me sick, but someone who would call himself a pirate ranting on the forums because the green eyed monster has siezed him, makes me WTF rage.

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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As this person here using mothership to pirate.. carebearpirate means pirate who does not want to risk his ass but prefers easy ganks and constant flow of killmails for their sick pleasures.

But whatever you do, people will complain. Real pirates died long time ago from EVE. Theres plenty of wannabes and copies around thou.

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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People like you are incapable of taking the blame for anything you do. Do something stupid and then blame others for your actions.

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Originally by: Spaja Saist, about Miz' Battlestar

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Just remember if the motherships get nerfed it will be people like you who are at fault. It was never designed to be used the way you do.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 26/01/2007 02:15:24


I got into such a rage about the whining empire scum on this thread tonight, I had to move to a noob area and take it out on some innocents.

Just look what happened when we were there for only an hour!

Dead lil bears


The blood of all those innocents is on your hands, you whiney little bears.

I dont need no nerf bat to beat empire scum down, I got my big Caldari balls to do my arguing with.

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Originally by: tiller

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ALot of people are driven in eve simply by killing people.. I know I am. It's the only fun thing in the game IMHO.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 26/01/2007 02:15:24


I got into such a rage about the whining empire scum on this thread tonight, I had to move to a noob area and take it out on some innocents.

Just look what happened when we were there for only an hour!

Dead lil bears

The blood of all those innocents is on your hands, you whiney little bears.

I dont need no nerf bat to beat empire scum down, I got my big Caldari balls to do my arguing with.

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Originally by: Kabuki Shinjiro

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And YES Motherships should be kicked out to 0.0 where they belong.

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: Cmdr Sy

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So here is the state of Amarr tech. Nos, plate, EANM and a tracking disruptor - pick two out of four and counter all setups.

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Originally by: Jean

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Miz aka sry-lil-excuse-for-a-RPer,

Impressive show... Killing nubs and bears! Im sure it gives you a lot of satisfaction :roll: Put your isk where your mouth is and follow The Establishment into 0.0 ...

Also, to all those who think he's 'pioneering'... He isnt, the ONLY true mom-enabled pierats are The Establishment. Miz is just a lamo copycat... And a bad one at that...

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 26/01/2007 02:15:24


I got into such a rage about the whining empire scum on this thread tonight, I had to move to a noob area and take it out on some innocents.

Just look what happened when we were there for only an hour!

Dead lil bears

The blood of all those innocents is on your hands, you whiney little bears.

I dont need no nerf bat to beat empire scum down, I got my big Caldari balls to do my arguing with.

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Go with your battlestar to bob/AAA/D2/LV space pirating ,and then you will be my hero.

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Originally by: Origin Prior

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You were gate camping, how lame can you get.

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Originally by: Ginger Magician

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Tiller is right as usual.
Invunerable ships are ridiculous and the motherships immunity must surely be removed in the near future.
Just tell CCP that I am saving for one.That should put the cat among the pigeons

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Originally by: Jean

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Miz aka sry-lil-excuse-for-a-RPer,

Impressive show... Killing nubs and bears! Im sure it gives you a lot of satisfaction :roll: Put your isk where your mouth is and follow The Establishment into 0.0 ...

Also, to all those who think he's 'pioneering'... He isnt, the ONLY true mom-enabled pierats are The Establishment. Miz is just a lamo copycat... And a bad one at that...

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Perhaps you should listen to your corpmate, who counsels against doing stupid stuff to look "good" to mouth breathing retards.

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Originally by: Origin Prior

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You were gate camping, how lame can you get.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Perhaps you should listen to your corpmate, who counsels against doing stupid stuff to look "good" to mouth breathing retards.

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You missed my point entirely. If you play the game smart, and use "immune to death" strategies it infuriates people to the point where they don't even realize how stupid they sound. Look, a pirate's job is to make isk. We do that. And do it well. A pirate's job IS NOT to placate stupid people by engaging their blobs or fighting them on their terms. This apparantly makes Ginger a "noob."

We had a group of BS try to fight us while we were heavily outnumbered, they lost a Raven (we lost nothing) and they all docked and sat in the station and accused Ginger of fighting in docking range. Hilarious.

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Originally by: Thor Xian

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I use a named WCS called "Situational Awareness".

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Go with your battlestar to bob/AAA/D2/LV space pirating ,and then you will be my hero.

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Take you're 25 billion isk ship into a situation where you can't win and you'll be this guy's hero.

Um, no thanks.

This the problem with people, in order to be "good" or "gain respect" you have to be incredibly stupid. If you're smart and don't engage in unwinnable battles then you're a "noob." I think I'd rather be a "noob" than be respected by idiots.

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What you dont seem too grasp is that mother ships are invisible in low sec .

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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So basically you are saying that he is a smart man because he engages with is mother ship because he knows he has nothing to loose?

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Isn¦t that a carebear?

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Originally by: Origin Prior

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You were gate camping, how lame can you get.

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Originally by: tiller

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Calm down guys...

I suggest that a ship needs a rethink, at least in low sec and get called a 'carebear' a dozen times by people I've never heard of.

I mean, you should hear yourselves... 'carebear pirate'... what the hell are you jibber jabbering about.


lol just LOL

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Originally by: Dixon

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Unfortunately I was one of Miz' victims last night. Although the experience of a slow (and it was really slow) death by an Archon and a Nyx was
Pirate Motherships - Need NERFBAT soon(tm) ? fairly unpleasant I did enjoy the fact that he is cleaning up a rather macro-infested area. So it's not all bad I guess...

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Originally by: Xendie

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what you dont get is that you will never kill a mothership without putting 20bill worth of ships or more on the line.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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So basically you are saying that he is a smart man because he engages with is mother ship because he knows he has nothing to loose?

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I'm saying he's a smart man because he makes money and nobody can stop him.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: AmarrCitizen456345

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btw... if any wants to join in the attempt
to kill a mothership.... its one in lowsec -> katugumur
from STK
they also have 1 dread and 2-3 carriers there...

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A ship thats only affected by warp bubbles should not be allowed to enter space where warp bubbles are unable to be used.

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Originally by: Lord Violent

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The problem isnt with the ship. Its the fact that something designed to be the pinical of alliance based warfare in 0.0 can be picked up and used by any rich chump in low sec. Want a pirate MS? fine come pirate 0.0.

They do need to move through low sec they have ****ty jump range as is and nerfing their ability to enter is a slight griefing of the pilots. However like dictor bubbles I dont see any reason why you cant have a little message "concord legislation prevents the use of warp core reinforcement in empire space. Do you still wish to jump to this location?" move it, fight back with it but no immunity in low sec gets my vote.

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07


I do pirate in a Nyx.

I do keep a cyno alt in gang at all times.

I also have a full rack of 10k smartbombs fitted, so interdictor bubbles woudnt stop me for any longer than it takes me to hit F1 - F6.

To be clear, this ship retails at 25 - 30 billion, only my own and the establishments are currently common knowledge as pirate ships operating in low sec. As such they are an elitist ship. Of all the thousands upon thousands of pilots, only a number of pilots which you can count on one hand fly them in this manner. As such we represent an individual and unique challenge to those with the willpower to attempt to bring us down.

I know how I would go about bringing down my ship, so instead of whining to Devs, get your acts together and do somthing for yourselves.

Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire.

I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me.

All my love, Miz. xxx

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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan

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Capital warp disruptors.

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Originally by: AmarrCitizen456345

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btw... if any wants to join in the attempt
to kill a mothership.... its one in lowsec -> katugumur
from STK
they also have 1 dread and 2-3 carriers there...

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Originally by: Neon Genesis

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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Seriously, why are you still allowed to post?

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Originally by: Karash Amerius

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Capital ships are needed to take out other Capital ships optimally. I dont see why a group of 20 Dreads couldn't gank a mothership...with the right support ships (covert ops, etc).

At least thats my opinion.

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Originally by: Jovius Marginus

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Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 24/01/2007 21:51:08
Well seeing as how a blob of light drones can stop my carrier from warping I fail to see how 25b worth of ships cant stop a mothership. If mass is really a problem just set 25 carriers around it so it keeps getting little bumps. Undock at Jita 4-4 in a BS and try to warp. You'll see what I mean. In the end with enough Dreads and carriers you can melt the thing like butter. Outbreak only used BS and got it to half armor. Imagine 25 carriers all attacking it with BS support and you have a Mothership kill.

Also you wont kill a station Dread if he has scouts or he just pops the nano BS first.

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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry

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Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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On the bright side though, warp to 0, as we all know doesnt actually warp to 0. More often than not, it leaves the stupid little bears sat 2k off the gate, wondering WTF is hapening and what are all those pretty fireworks around that big ship over there.

That will be me, as might right hand hits F1 - F6 and my left hand beats frantically inside my flight suit as yet another STD infested inbred empire bear gets lit up.

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Originally by: Elendar

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it must be hard when your stabs have been nerfed so you can't be the best pvper in eve sniping shuttles from 250km

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Yeh, I try to get even the warp to 0 guys mid warp but it aint as easy as it sed to be.

On the bright side though, warp to 0, as we all know doesnt actually warp to 0. More often than not, it leaves the stupid little bears sat 2k off the gate, wondering WTF is hapening and what are all those pretty fireworks around that big ship over there.

That will be me, as might right hand hits F1 - F6 and my left hand beats frantically inside my flight suit as yet another STD infested inbred empire bear gets lit up.

Whatever it takes, an invulnerable ship, mid warp smart bombing, the carebear filth in empire deserves everything they get.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:25:41
Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:19:50
Agree completely tiller.

Motherships and Titans need a warp strength, say 10-12 for mofos and 18-20 for titans.

edit: I've seen some suggestions along the line of 50 points required to scramble a mothership. Think for a second what that actually means, that means that if for whatever reason 1 or 2 points dropped then only 49 points would be on it and *BOOM* off it goes in warp. Think about the course of an average battle, I'd estimate that to keep 50 points on one ship is going to require a fleet of at least 2 times the required number of points, so 100 ships, all fitted with with a scrambler.

By this time the matter has become largely irrelevant anyway, a Blob of support like that is almost impossible to amass along with firepower for anyone but the very largest of corps/alliances. Now factor in planning for these ops, not really possible is it? You can't rely on the mothership to be sat in the right place at the right time so your 150 man blob can descend on them without being scouted and/or crashing the system.

No more than 20 points should be required in my opinion.

As you said yourself tiller, isk should not be the sole factor in deciding whether or not a ship is practically invulnerable.

edit edit: Another viable solution is capital level warp scramblers, make the ship vulnerable but only if the opposition are willing to put billions of isk on the line also.

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:25:41
Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:19:50
Agree completely tiller.

Motherships and Titans need a warp strength, say 10-12 for mofos and 18-20 for titans.

edit: I've seen some suggestions along the line of 50 points required to scramble a mothership. Think for a second what that actually means, that means that if for whatever reason 1 or 2 points dropped then only 49 points would be on it and *BOOM* off it goes in warp. Think about the course of an average battle, I'd estimate that to keep 50 points on one ship is going to require a fleet of at least 2 times the required number of points, so 100 ships, all fitted with with a scrambler.

By this time the matter has become largely irrelevant anyway, a Blob of support like that is almost impossible to amass along with firepower for anyone but the very largest of corps/alliances. Now factor in planning for these ops, not really possible is it? You can't rely on the mothership to be sat in the right place at the right time so your 150 man blob can descend on them without being scouted and/or crashing the system.

No more than 20 points should be required in my opinion.

As you said yourself tiller, isk should not be the sole factor in deciding whether or not a ship is practically invulnerable.

edit edit: Another viable solution is capital level warp scramblers, make the ship vulnerable but only if the opposition are willing to put billions of isk on the line also.

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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So 4 6pt minnie ceptors and you're golden right? To kill a 25billion isk ship??????

Why not spend your time in figuring out how to kill 23 fighters in two\three minutes? Nullify me. How many people could repeatedly take a roughly 450 million isk loss in fighters\drones in a single engagement?

I can think of any number of ways to *****the fighters a mom would pop out. But I'm not going to do your thinking for you.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Ok all you tactical geniuses go kill a mother ship and I will eat my hat.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Ok all you tactical geniuses go kill a mother ship and I will eat my hat.

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QFT.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:25:41
Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 16:19:50
Agree completely tiller.

Motherships and Titans need a warp strength, say 10-12 for mofos and 18-20 for titans.

edit: I've seen some suggestions along the line of 50 points required to scramble a mothership. Think for a second what that actually means, that means that if for whatever reason 1 or 2 points dropped then only 49 points would be on it and *BOOM* off it goes in warp. Think about the course of an average battle, I'd estimate that to keep 50 points on one ship is going to require a fleet of at least 2 times the required number of points, so 100 ships, all fitted with with a scrambler.

By this time the matter has become largely irrelevant anyway, a Blob of support like that is almost impossible to amass along with firepower for anyone but the very largest of corps/alliances. Now factor in planning for these ops, not really possible is it? You can't rely on the mothership to be sat in the right place at the right time so your 150 man blob can descend on them without being scouted and/or crashing the system.

No more than 20 points should be required in my opinion.

As you said yourself tiller, isk should not be the sole factor in deciding whether or not a ship is practically invulnerable.

edit edit: Another viable solution is capital level warp scramblers, make the ship vulnerable but only if the opposition are willing to put billions of isk on the line also.

Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate.

Deck

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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So 4 6pt minnie ceptors and you're golden right? To kill a 25billion isk ship??????

Why not spend your time in figuring out how to kill 23 fighters in two\three minutes? Nullify me. How many people could repeatedly take a roughly 450 million isk loss in fighters\drones in a single engagement?

I can think of any number of ways to *****the fighters a mom would pop out. But I'm not going to do your thinking for you.

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Smartbombs tend to make short work of Stilletos with 7.5km scrams.

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Originally by: Sylphia Nightshade

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Leave Titans and Motherships as they are but make them 0.0 only

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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Originally by: Mangold

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Having lost ships to that EST Nyx I have to agree with welsh wizard. The problem with motherships is not that they can't be jammed or webbed. It's that it's impossible to keep them at the same spot to kill them. As it is now it's almost impossible to kill a good mothership pilot. It should be hard but not impossible.

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag

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Originally by: Xendie

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i dont think its impossible but you will have to put atleast 25bill in the right spot at the right time to do it.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Vily

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Originally by: Royaldo

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Were you ever really close on losing that mothership?

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you should heard TS.

"****, guys, wtf, im getting bumped. It' say im in warp. WTF. ****, i can't tank this, ****, WTF...

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LOL!! Yeah, I did get a bit nervous near the end when I was the ONLY ship left and half the North seemed to be shooting me. In retrospect, my tank was holding just fine and it would have taken quite a bit to chew through it all. Motherships are monsters. Now I know why the Establishment Nyx hasn't been killed yet. I wonder if they've ever jumped thier ship into something like this?

I will say this - officer smartbombs 4TW. Saved my ass for sure. Nothing says, "GET OFF ME!!" like almost a thousand points of damage every 5-10 seconds.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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You are clearly missing the point . This is a 25Bn (Billion) isk ship. And numpties are suggesting putting scramb points on it ... What if Miz fielded 18 Dreads instead for the same isk to go piewat with his corp mates.... whats Nerfs would be called for then as a crew that large would be just as invincible? Like I said pointless thread. Want to kill him, then you will need to field an equivalent amount of isk on the same grid (thats balanced).... you have the cahonas for that? He clearly does....

Peeps looking easy mode again . Please remember I am NOT defending him but the ship.

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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This may come as something of a revelation to you Deckard but some people actually prefer an enjoyable balanced game despite their background. Winning at all costs isn't on everyones agenda.

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You are clearly missing the point . This is a 25Bn (Billion) isk ship. And numpties are suggesting putting scramb points on it ... What if Miz fielded 18 Dreads instead for the same isk to go piewat with his corp mates.... whats Nerfs would be called for then as a crew that large would be just as invincible? Like I said pointless thread. Want to kill him, then you will need to field an equivalent amount of isk on the same grid (thats balanced).... you have the cahonas for that? He clearly does....

Peeps looking easy mode again . Please remember I am NOT defending him but the ship.

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Vily

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Originally by: Royaldo

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Were you ever really close on losing that mothership?

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you should heard TS.

"****, guys, wtf, im getting bumped. It' say im in warp. WTF. ****, i can't tank this, ****, WTF...

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LOL!! Yeah, I did get a bit nervous near the end when I was the ONLY ship left and half the North seemed to be shooting me. In retrospect, my tank was holding just fine and it would have taken quite a bit to chew through it all. Motherships are monsters. Now I know why the Establishment Nyx hasn't been killed yet. I wonder if they've ever jumped thier ship into something like this?

I will say this - officer smartbombs 4TW. Saved my ass for sure. Nothing says, "GET OFF ME!!" like almost a thousand points of damage every 5-10 seconds.

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Just completeness this is an MC thread in a battle with MM today. thread is a good read on the subject.

Seleene's MC Nyx

Deck

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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That will be me, as might right hand hits F1 - F6 and my left hand beats frantically inside my flight suit as yet another STD infested inbred empire bear gets lit up.

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan

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wait till a pirate titan shows up. It's only a matter of time before that happens.

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And what's so scary about that? The DDD can only be fired in 0.0 space, and they lack the wtfpwnage fighters a MS has and can give to friends pirating at belts and other areas.

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Originally by: kublai

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What can miz do to harm YOU in his ONE ship?
What can miz's one ship do to harm YOU that I can't with 10 battleships on my tail?

If you kill miz's drones he loses nearly half a billion isk, and killing fighter drones is NOT hard, after that it's just a fancy smartbomb, hardly an impressive ship.

Miz can camp a gate REALLY REALLY well, you know what, a few bs will be just as efficient camping that same gate.

What imbalance does he cause?
You can't kill him?

Is this the same as you can't inflict losses on him?

Killing his drones loses him half a billion isk..that is ALOT to risk, that is putting a very great amount of money on the line.

And considering how much damage this ship can do to an entity in low sec (a laughable amount, it's a toy and tool, not a solo empire) i'd say he stands to lose more tham most.

And no, my corporation does not camp gates in a nyx, we don't own one, miz has it, and again, before anyone brings it up, he paid VERY handsomly to fly it.

Considering what miz has paid to fly it, and how easy it is to cause him hundreds of million isk in losses, considering the limitations that will ALWAYS apply to one man and one ship, I really fail to see the imbalance, I do however, see a great deal of jealousy.

I hope one day to fly a Nyx myself, not as a gate camping solo ship, but as a tool in war, it wont win any battles on it's own, but it is a nice addition to a combat fleet, that's it, a nice addition.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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What can miz do to harm YOU in his ONE ship?
What can miz's one ship do to harm YOU that I can't with 10 battleships on my tail?

If you kill miz's drones he loses nearly half a billion isk, and killing fighter drones is NOT hard, after that it's just a fancy smartbomb, hardly an impressive ship.

Miz can camp a gate REALLY REALLY well, you know what, a few bs will be just as efficient camping that same gate.

What imbalance does he cause?
You can't kill him?

Is this the same as you can't inflict losses on him?

Killing his drones loses him half a billion isk..that is ALOT to risk, that is putting a very great amount of money on the line.

And considering how much damage this ship can do to an entity in low sec (a laughable amount, it's a toy and tool, not a solo empire) i'd say he stands to lose more tham most.

And no, my corporation does not camp gates in a nyx, we don't own one, miz has it, and again, before anyone brings it up, he paid VERY handsomly to fly it.

Considering what miz has paid to fly it, and how easy it is to cause him hundreds of million isk in losses, considering the limitations that will ALWAYS apply to one man and one ship, I really fail to see the imbalance, I do however, see a great deal of jealousy.

I hope one day to fly a Nyx myself, not as a gate camping solo ship, but as a tool in war, it wont win any battles on it's own, but it is a nice addition to a combat fleet, that's it, a nice addition.

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You can get off his nuts now

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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What can miz do to harm YOU in his ONE ship?
What can miz's one ship do to harm YOU that I can't with 10 battleships on my tail?

If you kill miz's drones he loses nearly half a billion isk, and killing fighter drones is NOT hard, after that it's just a fancy smartbomb, hardly an impressive ship.

Miz can camp a gate REALLY REALLY well, you know what, a few bs will be just as efficient camping that same gate.

What imbalance does he cause?
You can't kill him?

Is this the same as you can't inflict losses on him?

Killing his drones loses him half a billion isk..that is ALOT to risk, that is putting a very great amount of money on the line.

And considering how much damage this ship can do to an entity in low sec (a laughable amount, it's a toy and tool, not a solo empire) i'd say he stands to lose more tham most.

And no, my corporation does not camp gates in a nyx, we don't own one, miz has it, and again, before anyone brings it up, he paid VERY handsomly to fly it.

Considering what miz has paid to fly it, and how easy it is to cause him hundreds of million isk in losses, considering the limitations that will ALWAYS apply to one man and one ship, I really fail to see the imbalance, I do however, see a great deal of jealousy.

I hope one day to fly a Nyx myself, not as a gate camping solo ship, but as a tool in war, it wont win any battles on it's own, but it is a nice addition to a combat fleet, that's it, a nice addition.

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You can get off his nuts now

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Kublai are you going cowgirl or reverse cowgirl? and let the flames begin

(triple sunglasses)

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Go back to COAD and flame BoB somemore.

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Erm. I don't care. I'll mention BoB again.

Band of Brothers.

BoB.

Anyway, why should I do anything to please you? You've basically admitted to having no points whatsoever except meaningless flames.

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Originally by: Gix Firebrand

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Not really? I like to solo, hence why I haven't joined a corp yet.

Besides, most pirate corps aren't up to my standards.

If you really want a rush, try pirating solo in a NPC corp. Now that crap is exiciting :D

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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To all tactical geniuses my offer remains kill an ewar immune mother ship and I will eat my hat.

Until Boundless Creation completes the Nano-galfar I doubt an MS will be going down anytime soon since it has a built in omni wcs

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Originally by: kublai

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What can miz do to harm YOU in his ONE ship?
What can miz's one ship do to harm YOU that I can't with 10 battleships on my tail?

If you kill miz's drones he loses nearly half a billion isk, and killing fighter drones is NOT hard, after that it's just a fancy smartbomb, hardly an impressive ship.

Miz can camp a gate REALLY REALLY well, you know what, a few bs will be just as efficient camping that same gate.

What imbalance does he cause?
You can't kill him?

Is this the same as you can't inflict losses on him?

Killing his drones loses him half a billion isk..that is ALOT to risk, that is putting a very great amount of money on the line.

And considering how much damage this ship can do to an entity in low sec (a laughable amount, it's a toy and tool, not a solo empire) i'd say he stands to lose more tham most.

And no, my corporation does not camp gates in a nyx, we don't own one, miz has it, and again, before anyone brings it up, he paid VERY handsomly to fly it.

Considering what miz has paid to fly it, and how easy it is to cause him hundreds of million isk in losses, considering the limitations that will ALWAYS apply to one man and one ship, I really fail to see the imbalance, I do however, see a great deal of jealousy.

I hope one day to fly a Nyx myself, not as a gate camping solo ship, but as a tool in war, it wont win any battles on it's own, but it is a nice addition to a combat fleet, that's it, a nice addition.

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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To all tactical geniuses my offer remains kill an ewar immune mother ship and I will eat my hat.

Until Boundless Creation completes the Nano-galfar I doubt an MS will be going down anytime soon since it has a built in omni wcs

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Marcus, do you know:

1. What a fighter drone is
2. What a fighter drone costs
3. How many fighter drones a mothership deploys in combat
4. How easy/hard fighter drones are to come by
5. How difficult it is to kill a fighter drone
6. How many fighter drones have been killed to date in eve

If no to one or more of these questsion, visit a random wiki and get a clue before you reply.

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Originally by: kublai

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Absolute rubbish, a mothership is a corporate utility box, if you really think a mothership is going to solo own your corporation, you're outta luck

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