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tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.24 13:38:00 - [1] The mothership - Designed AFAIK to be a captial ship at the heart of fleets, with it's immunity to all EW has now become something the rich fly around low sec without a care in the world. (I know of several doing just this) I spoke at some length with the pilot of a 'pvp mothership' and he basically said he had no real worries just moving around low sec killing who he wished solo. He spoke of a bump fleet that had tried to kill him, but after a few attempts to warp he got away no problem. CCP removed stabs from combat, and at the same time allow a ship with 'infinite' built in stabs to be flown. The question is I guess, should the fabled 'solopwnmobile' be available for isk ?, 25bill is a price, that with current inflation, more and more will be able to afford in the future. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE one but will never be able to afford it. Yes, I'm jealous as hell of those that do fly them... it just seems that CCP have indeed created the 'solopwnmobile', and IMHO it need fixing before more pilots can use them in combat. Leave the NERF too late and a riot will ensue from the existing pilots who bought them for this very purpose.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.24 13:52:00 - [2] Funniest thread of the day. All this coming from a pirate. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:17:00 - [3] Dictors should work in low sec ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec Would it really matter?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec I wouldnt like this, I like the differences, and thats just another step to making low sec the same as 0.0 Would be better, IMO, to simply make motherships, and titans ;), 0.0 only, with carriers and dreads in low sec and 0.0 only. Big Boys Play with Big Boys Toys in Big Boys Space ;)
ArtemisEntreri Turbulent	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec Would it really matter? Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it
Frito11 Turbulent Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:32:00 - [7] Well Dictors AFAIK unless CCP fixed it are about the only thing that could stop a mothership/titan from warping and would be the only way to currently lock one down and destroy it considering you can't use em in low sec a mothership is nearly invincible unless say you get a nanophoon/domi fleet to bump and nos it to death while you cyno in some dreads to take it down
Asuo Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:39:00 - [8] I didn't thing bubbles worked on mothership/titans cos they have a jam strength which theose ships are immune to. But I agree with tiller here, as soon as people can afford them they'll buy them, becouse their impossible to lock down. Makeing a no risk solopwn mobile. ----------------------------------------------- EECC recuitment thread.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:41:00 - [9] Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec Would it really matter? Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it Me think you need to read shamis's thread. DE
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:50:00 - [10] no, hell no! for one mothership you can buy n fit 10 dreads. 10 dreads is more than enough to take it down with a bump or two. who says an angry mob of nos boats should always win by default?

ArtemisEntreri Turbulent	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:05:00 - [11] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec Would it really matter? Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it Me think you need to read shamis's thread. DE No, no I have I was answering the question of bubbles in low-sec
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:07:00 - [12] Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36 Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller. I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill. Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability. Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire. This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice. Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also.
Raul deMalte KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:07:39 Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:06:12 <proactive whine> Yeah! And while we're at it, CCP pls nerf the nano-nos-titan. I haven't heard about it yet but one can't be too careful... </proactive whine>
Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Raul deMalte Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:07:39 Edited by: Raul deMalte on 24/01/2007 15:06:12 <proactive whine> Yeah! And while we're at it, CCP pls nerf the nano-nos-titan. I haven't heard about it yet but one can't be too careful... </proactive whine> The bumparok shows viability in our in-alliance testing
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:22:00 - [15] Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Dictors should work in low sec Would it really matter? Depends, if you could get lucky and he didn't initiate warp as soon as the dictor uncloaks/enters grid, and somehow got a bubble off 15km off and then you put ships in the mothership's way so he can't move then it's viable but that's about it Me think you need to read shamis's thread. DE No, no I have I was answering the question of bubbles in low-sec i know mate. just saying from what shamis and other have said it doesn't matter how lucky you are with a bubble as they don't seem to stop a mothership cyno'ing out and anyone who isn't a complete noob will always have a cyno on standby if they're flying a mothership DE
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Skywalker Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36 Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller. I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill. Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability. Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire. This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice. Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also. Not true Outbreak tried the bump method and the mass of the Nyx made their efforts futile
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Skywalker Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36 Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller. I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill. Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability. Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire. This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice. Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also. Not true Outbreak tried the bump method and the mass of the Nyx made their efforts futile A ship thats only affected by warp bubbles should not be allowed to enter space where warp bubbles are unable to be used. 25bill should be hard to kill, but not impossible, in low sec killing one is impossible!
Ravelin Eb Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:14:00 - [18] The bumping idea will not work. the Mothership is too damn big, a large amount of neuts and NOS BS are needed. and dictor bubbles are next to useless considering most pilots fit their moms with smartbombs. dreads/carrier would be the only realistic ships to be able to deny a mom alignment for warp. you would have to distract a mom enough to get a fleet in to destroy its cap and therefore its ability to jump, and then cyno in about 10 dreads directly ontop of it or something.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:24:00 - [19] This is where the bumperchon comes in useful best mwd u can buy lows full of nanos/i-stabs he'll never see it coming! DE
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Nahia Senne no, hell no! for one mothership you can buy n fit 10 dreads. 10 dreads is more than enough to take it down with a bump or two. who says an angry mob of nos boats should always win by default? The unthinking mobs that usually gather in these threads? OR Those who really think mom's and titans fly around solo and don't require support. Or both. who knows. It's a miracle any of these ships are actually made in the first place given how easy it is to take down posses. Not gonna restate what I've said in other threads, but the sooner the "mob" in threads like these decides to make the goal "nullifying" mom's and titan's, the sooner they'll start registering "wins" against these ships and sending their pilots to other areas to try and find victims with lesser skills.

Nonoffensive Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:59:00 - [21] I'm trying to figure out how a Pirate Mothership is any different from a regular one... Is an imbalanced game mechanic somehow finally worth fixing because pirates can use it too?
Chode Rizoum Minmatar TEMPTATION INC.	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Skywalker Edited by: Skywalker on 24/01/2007 15:12:36 Hmm, i don't agree with you on this one Tiller. I think a 25 bill ship should be as hard as this to kill. Still its doable, if you bump him with bs's and use neutralizers to get his cap down below cyno jump ability. Don't know how many bs's it would take, but my guess is 5-10 BS's with mwd's and 4 Neutralizers each would do the trick along with a dread or 2. If you fit the BS's with smartbombs then you can probably handle ogre drones or similar that the mothership probably is using in low sec empire. This would ofcourse be hard to pull off, but killing one would be nice. Buying a mothership is atm out of my league, but it is my next goal ingame so hopefully i will be there someday. Until that pirating in a dread works pretty well also. agree... a carrier dies way to easy atm.. to people that knows what they are doing.. i dont want 25 bill to go out the window to a group of nano bs.. TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Miz Cenuij Simply Smacktackular	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07 I do pirate in a Nyx. I do keep a cyno alt in gang at all times. I also have a full rack of 10k smartbombs fitted, so interdictor bubbles woudnt stop me for any longer than it takes me to hit F1 - F6. To be clear, this ship retails at 25 - 30 billion, only my own and the establishments are currently common knowledge as pirate ships operating in low sec. As such they are an elitist ship. Of all the thousands upon thousands of pilots, only a number of pilots which you can count on one hand fly them in this manner. As such we represent an individual and unique challenge to those with the willpower to attempt to bring us down. I know how I would go about bringing down my ship, so instead of whining to Devs, get your acts together and do somthing for yourselves. Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire. I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me. All my love, Miz. xxx "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:23:00 - [24] kill his, 20m isk each, fighters ? Actually he can carry a billion in fighters, and has 340m (without drone mods) flying in space for you to destroy. After that it's just 25b (+ loot) in space for you to ransom. Not really a solo pwnmobile, just an expensive toy to kill nubs.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:29:00 - [25] Leave the motherships has they are, there's nothing wrong with motherships. :P What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Rathroc	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07 Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire. I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me. All my love, Miz. xxx and people wonder why carebears don't dare to enter lowsec....
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Rathroc Originally by: Miz Cenuij Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 24/01/2007 18:15:07 Pathetic whining, empire bears like yourself are the very reason iam driven to gutting so many pilots like pigs in empire. I hate empire dwelling scum with all my heart and will continue to slaughter them in thier hundreds until a group of pirate hunters grow the balls stop me. All my love, Miz. xxx and people wonder why carebears don't dare to enter lowsec.... Nothing wrong with that. Less people in lowsec more $$$ for those who actually dare to.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Phoenix Supremacy	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:37:00 - [28] Damnit - i thought you said 2.5 bil, not 25 :( Anyone wanna lend me some iskies?
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.24 20:04:00 - [29] Originally by: tiller it need fixing before more pilots can use them in combat Why? Wouldn't it be enough if the issue was fixed when it becomes a real problem? As long as CCP holds on stance those ships are for fleet support, whiners wouldn't have no case for riot when the ships piracy abilities are slighly nerfed one day. -Lasse who thinks motherships are killable if people have the will
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.24 20:10:00 - [30] Edited by: tiller on 24/01/2007 20:12:33 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: tiller it need fixing before more pilots can use them in combat Why? Wouldn't it be enough if the issue was fixed when it becomes a real problem? As long as CCP holds on stance those ships are for fleet support, whiners wouldn't have no case for riot when the ships piracy abilities are slighly nerfed one day. -Lasse who thinks motherships are killable if people have the will The fact that the 'solopwnmobile' does exist, even though there was never intended to be any in game.. is that not a problem ? Should a price be put on the purchase of a I WIN button ? Maybe 25bill is a worthy price for such a thing, I don't think so though. If CCP occasionally played through there own game a little more they would see things such as this before they became major problems in the future. And it currently is a problem that will need addressing..... If your argument is that there are very few being used, then that is weak. How many is ok ? 5 ? 20 ? 100 ? Should every low sec system have a immune guy in a nyx at a gate ? Kudos for Miz, he truly is a ground breaker, and deserves his place in eve history more than most. However, he is always going to get upset if someone suggests nerfing his expensive toy. IMHO the solution would be give it a built in warp strength of say 30. Then at least a average blob would stand a chance of pinning him down in low sec and he would require some support from other ships to operate. (as was intended by design) Just some thoughts...



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