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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:32:48 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others.
No one cares what you define. You don't matter. Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help. do you have a mental problem if you get "pleasure" from other people's sorrow? So you're suggesting playing a game that allows for you to be a pirate, means you have a mental problem if you play as a pirate?
Destination SkillQueue:-
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
4
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:33:51 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:What the heck are you talking about? Insta undocks, precautions? I'm not talking about ganking the bumper, I'm talking about doing anything in hisec with a kill right on your head if the person holding that kill right has any idea about what can be done with it (judging from your posts, you obviously don't). Gankers (or their ganking chars) don't care about killrights, hell they don't care about sec status to start with since current crimewatch mechanics allow them to be completely functional regardless of concord and facpo. So the killrights and your sec status are of really great concern to you but they are completely without consequence for other players like the gankers?
of course killrights are inconsequential for a -10 ganking alt , as evidenced by the frequent bragging in local, minerbumping etc by such as yourselves , who only have to undock, insta warp to safe then warp to target , lock , hit f1.
just to clarify for those who don't 'get it' about krs - a 'white knight ' who uses his main to gank a mach has to take into account that any ship he flies for the next month is at the mercy of the very people he is trying to fight . so the kr is set at say 100 mil , that stops the 'white knight' from getting a friend to clear it, but the moment he shows up in a decent ship, the bumper/gankers will activate the kr at no cost .
re looting- looting directly into a fleet hangar of a dst or other ship should cause a suspect timer on the receiving ship. if you want to loot with a dst or similar then you should have to transfer into a can then scoop it as per all ninja looting, which is counterable with mtus and others being able to loot the receiving can . dsts have + 2 warp stab strength , with all wc stabs fitted you get up to + 6 or 7 warp strength, how much more safety do u want ffs?
another idea to bring some balance to unlimited bumping with no consequences, how about when a freighter is hit repeatedly by a ship or ships , above a certain speed and preventing it entering warp over a period of 2- 3 mins say , a timer is set warning the bumper(s) he/they have 20 mins before he goes suspect for illegally obstructing a pilot from going about his business? alternatively, after a set amopunt of hi speed hits over a period of time, the freighter pilot gets a right to clear his way of the criminals impeding his progress in the form of a limited engagement type timer , where, upon activation , anyone in his fleet can legally engage the bumper , the downside being that upon activation, he can also be engaged by the bumper(s) .just think of the fun to be had... 
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10588
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:33:57 -
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I am fully cognisant of the nature of this thread - however, insofar as CCP's rules outline, bumping is not a criminal activity and cannot be punished.
Stealing from others and shooting MTUs? I guess that these are petty crimes, which is why CCP allows for suspect status, so that the aggrieved capsuleer can take matters into their own hands and deal with the interloper.
Unprovoked destruction? Well, that's more serious and that's why we have a police force to enforce the consequences of the attacker's actions.
Bumping? Not a crime at all (not a punishable action, nor an exploit), so no intervention by game mechanics required.
Imagine you got your way, though, and CCP succumbed to the sheer weight of carebearism and made bumping a crime - where would you draw the line? What if I playfully bumped your mission battleship in my interceptor on the station undock? Would that action warrant CONCORD coming in full force and blasting me to smithereens?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:37:08 -
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Bumblefck wrote:What if I playfully bumped your mission battleship in my interceptor on the station undock? Would that action warrant CONCORD coming in full force and blasting me to smithereens? You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?
Destination SkillQueue:-
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:37:20 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:... in terms of general on line gameplay across all games News flash: Eve Online is not like any other game. This is intentional. It was designed that way. Stop trying to make EvE not EvE. Bella Jennie wrote:And again, the way I see it, only those who enjoy douchery would prefer a status quo You see it wrong. I am a perfect example of how wrong you are. I tried ganking, or douchery as you call it. I didn't enjoy it. But, just because I didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it should be removed from the game, as is your obvious intention. I pointed this out, but you blatantly ignored it because the ideals of EvE, which I strive to live up to, don't fit into your narrow minded vision of what this game should be. You've been here for 10 days, and apparently rather than trying to adapt yourself into the game, you've decided the game must adapt to fit you. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If you don't like the fact that ganking is permitted and encouraged in EvE, then GTFO. Contract me all your stuff, send me all your isk, biomass your characters, and unsubscribe. The day CCP makes highsec 100% safe is the day the final countdown to server shutoff begins. And yes, despite all your bleating to the contrary, highsec is already 99.9% safe. You have every tool you need to make this happen, if you simply use them.
If I'm here 10 days, how much stuff could I have? 
You are merely another in a long line, it seems, that want to tell me what to play; how to play; and even not to play.
Sorry, this is not your personal game.
Don't liker my ideas? YOU GTFO.
Mark my words: when they are ABLE TO, CCP will correct the unbalanced BUMPING paradigm.
- anyone with reasonable logic and intelligence (and not a douchebag) could see that.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Iain Cariaba
2521
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:38:21 -
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Original post here deleted by poster.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:40:40 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Mark my words: when they are ABLE TO, CCP will correct the unbalanced BUMPING paradigm.
- anyone with reasonable logic and intelligence (and not a douchebag) could see that. Do you have evidence or facts to back that up. Or should we just accept your word on it?
Destination SkillQueue:-
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:42:45 -
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Mag's wrote:Bumblefck wrote:What if I playfully bumped your mission battleship in my interceptor on the station undock? Would that action warrant CONCORD coming in full force and blasting me to smithereens? You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?
Honestly, that's a strawman argument..
When CCP ultimately fixes the unbalanced BUMPING in HIGHSEC rules/mechanic, they will surely address ALL potential circumstances..
(if they miss one, THAT may become an EXPLOIT opportunity.. that's how things work)
I believe you posted this just so you could write: "You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?"
How clever.. 
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
270
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:43:44 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:
MWDing mach = 13 seconds align time, 8.03 seconds align time with nothing but nanofibers in the lows.
MWDing stabber = 7.67 seconds align time, 4.58 seconds align time with nothing but naofibers in the lows.
Well, dunno about your numbers but my mach fit (4xISTABII, 2xOverdrivesII, DCII + T1/2 500mn MWD, no rigs) has 7 sec align time and 10.6 sec MWD align before skills (EFT 2.33). Add some rigs and implants, it can go lower. 50mn mwd stabber ain't gonna do much in terms of counter bumping, 500mwd t1 cruisers are crap in terms of agility. Cruisers bump battleships just fine. There is no possible way for a mach to have twice the agility of a cruiser.
GL bumping the mach fit I listed above with any kind of reliability.
As for agility, yes there is - fit an oversize mwd to cruiser (fit for bumping the freighter). |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10588
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:44:16 -
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Mag's wrote:Bumblefck wrote:What if I playfully bumped your mission battleship in my interceptor on the station undock? Would that action warrant CONCORD coming in full force and blasting me to smithereens? You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?
But of course, how silly of me
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:44:19 -
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Mag's wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Mark my words: when they are ABLE TO, CCP will correct the unbalanced BUMPING paradigm.
- anyone with reasonable logic and intelligence (and not a douchebag) could see that. Do you have evidence or facts to back that up. Or should we just accept your word on it?
I prefer you just accept my word.. 
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3069
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:47:19 -
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Bella, perhaps you should have read up on the game before investing in it.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:48:09 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Honestly, that's a strawman argument.. When CCP ultimately fixes the unbalanced BUMPING in HIGHSEC rules/mechanic, they will surely address ALL potential circumstances.. (if they miss one, THAT may become an EXPLOIT opportunity.. that's how things work) I believe you posted this just so you could write: "You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?" How clever.. Strawman? Hardly. I'm using your logic. Prey tell how does the server know what the intentions are, behind an action?
Maybe it's time to drop the emotional baggage? As funny as your trolling is, we've seen it all before. It's not original.
Destination SkillQueue:-
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
270
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:48:15 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Imagine you got your way, though, and CCP succumbed to the sheer weight of carebearism and made bumping a crime - where would you draw the line?
They will never make bumping a crime, but they are certainly looking into bumping (in general).
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10589
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:48:43 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Mag's wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Mark my words: when they are ABLE TO, CCP will correct the unbalanced BUMPING paradigm.
- anyone with reasonable logic and intelligence (and not a douchebag) could see that. Do you have evidence or facts to back that up. Or should we just accept your word on it? I prefer you just accept my word..
So no facts whatsoever, then.
Who is your main? It seems, given that you are such a fan of them, some consequences should perhaps come home to roost.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:50:19 -
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Mag's wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
I define douchery as taking pleasure in inflicting pain onto others.
No one cares what you define. You don't matter. Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help. do you have a mental problem if you get "pleasure" from other people's sorrow? So you're suggesting playing a game that allows for you to be a pirate, means you have a mental problem if you play as a pirate?
but you are allowed to post: "Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help"
You seem like just another one caught up in the defense of douchery..
- not very noble
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:50:30 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Imagine you got your way, though, and CCP succumbed to the sheer weight of carebearism and made bumping a crime - where would you draw the line? They will never make bumping a crime, but they are certainly looking into bumping (in general). They have always look into bumping in general. It's changed fairly often. So your point is?
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:53:04 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Imagine you got your way, though, and CCP succumbed to the sheer weight of carebearism and made bumping a crime - where would you draw the line? They will never make bumping a crime, but they are certainly looking into bumping (in general).
IF by some chance the do NOT make it a crime, I'll be very happy if they simply nerf the BUMPING mechanic altogether.
- maybe that's easier for them..
They must address this; it is so obviously UNBALANCED..
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10589
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:54:16 -
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Bumblefck wrote:
Who is your main (Bella Jennie)? It seems, given that you are such a fan of them, some consequences should perhaps come home to roost.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:54:42 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Bella, perhaps you should have read up on the game before investing in it.
assume much?
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21157
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:55:17 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Mag's wrote:]So you're suggesting playing a game that allows for you to be a pirate, means you have a mental problem if you play as a pirate? but you are allowed to post: "Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help" You seem like just another one caught up in the defense of douchery.. - not very noble I didn't post that.
Oh and factually backing game mechanics with evidence, isn't a defence of douchery. It's showing that game is meant to be that way. On the other hand shouting and name calling without evidence, seems to fill the definition quite nicely.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10591
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Posted - 2016.02.04 15:58:12 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Bella, perhaps you should have read up on the game before investing in it. assume much?
As you also seem to do.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25792
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:00:07 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:It is just amazing how people want to become my personal "on-line gaming consultants"..
Also how many cling to the notions that CCP made this game specifically so that people could harass, annoy and grief other players without any risk or consequences..
Anyway, everyone entitled to their opinion.. You do realise that the original CCP devs were Trammel refugees looking to build a game similar to Ultima Online before people like you destroyed it?
Quote:Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC,
I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC We're telling you that if you want consequences beyond those programmed into the game, then it is up to you to use the myriad of tools and mechanics that are universally available to all to achieve that.; on a side note, bumping isn't criminal behaviour if the system doesn't flag it as such.
Quote:BUMPING on purpose without consequences in HIGHSEC is unbalanced gameplay favoring those (I call them douchebags) who would harass & annoy other players in HIGHSEC. How is it unbalanced, there are plenty of things you can do to avoid being bumped in the first place.
Quote:I want CCP to change that..
I'm fairly certain that eventually, they will.
I'm fairly sure that you're a troll alt, one of us is likely to be correct, probability says that it won't be you.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:01:06 -
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Mag's wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Honestly, that's a strawman argument.. When CCP ultimately fixes the unbalanced BUMPING in HIGHSEC rules/mechanic, they will surely address ALL potential circumstances.. (if they miss one, THAT may become an EXPLOIT opportunity.. that's how things work) I believe you posted this just so you could write: "You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?" How clever.. Strawman? Hardly. I'm using your logic. Prey tell how does the server know what the intentions are, behind an action? Maybe it's time to drop the emotional baggage? As funny as your trolling is, we've seen it all before. It's not original.
thing is dude, that you seem butthurt because someone is trying to improve the game..
- to be more realistic
- to be more "fair" in that douchery would have consequences..
You wouldn't be a proponent of wanton douchery, would you?
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:04:21 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:It is just amazing how people want to become my personal "on-line gaming consultants"..
Also how many cling to the notions that CCP made this game specifically so that people could harass, annoy and grief other players without any risk or consequences..
Anyway, everyone entitled to their opinion.. You do realise that the original CCP devs were Trammel refugees looking to build a game similar to Ultima Online before people like you destroyed it? Quote:Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC,
I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC We're telling you that if you want consequences beyond those programmed into the game, then it is up to you to use the myriad of tools and mechanics that are universally available to all to achieve that.; on a side note, bumping isn't criminal behaviour if the system doesn't flag it as such. Quote:BUMPING on purpose without consequences in HIGHSEC is unbalanced gameplay favoring those (I call them douchebags) who would harass & annoy other players in HIGHSEC. How is it unbalanced, there are plenty of things you can do to avoid being bumped in the first place. Quote:I want CCP to change that..
I'm fairly certain that eventually, they will.
I'm fairly sure that you're a troll alt, one of us is likely to be correct, probability says that it won't be you.
wow, you seem like yet another butthurt proponent of douchery...
I state my opinion based on valid observation and your head explodes? Sheesh!
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3069
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:05:04 -
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They likely 'look into' AFK cloaking just as much.
And war decs.
And ganking.
And ship performance.
Monitoring things and keeping up with discussion doesnt automatically mean there is a problem. You can investigate a concern amongst part of the player base without agreeing with them.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed... Isolating players away from the actual sandbox seems very contrary to what we would like to accomplish."
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3073
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:07:10 -
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Yeah its pretty clear Bell,a that you've missed alot.
The FAQ, EVE's wiki, EVE's playerbase, CCP themselves (repeatedly) will tell you this is the game you cannot play alone and others can interfer with your game. Its one of the fundamental principals of the game. If you had read up before joining, you'd have caught at least some of this...
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16161
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:07:30 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:
Also how many cling to the notions that CCP made this game specifically so that people could harass, annoy and grief other players without any risk or consequences..
Your blatant hyperbole aside, that is exactly what CCP made this game for.
Quote:
Once again, I'm talking about HIGHSEC,
I'm talking about assigning CONSEQUENCES to criminal behavior in HIGHSEC
You're talking about putting more mechanical penalties on the only playstyle that has any to begin with, because like all carebears you are a selfish hypocrite.
And like all carebears, you are playing the wrong game, and your narcissism won't allow you to admit it, so you demand that the entire structure of the game be broken completely to make up for your bad decisions.
And the answer is no. In fact, I suspect in the near future that highsec will be rendered much, much less safe. And it will be a benefit to this game, because conflict is the beating heart of EVE Online.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16161
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:09:01 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:
but you are allowed to post: "Oh, and if you feel "pain" just because you are allowed to lose in a PvP game, you have a mental problem and should seek psychological help"
I posted that, dumbass, not him.
And it's 100% true. No normal, well adjusted adult feels "pain" when they lose at a PvP video game.
If you do, then something is direly wrong with you, and you need to uninstall this game and seek professional help. You are broken, maladjusted and abberant, and you need to be fixed.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21159
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Posted - 2016.02.04 16:10:02 -
[840] - Quote
Bella Jennie wrote:Mag's wrote:Strawman? Hardly. I'm using your logic. Prey tell how does the server know what the intentions are, behind an action? Maybe it's time to drop the emotional baggage? As funny as your trolling is, we've seen it all before. It's not original. thing is dude, that you seem butthurt because someone is trying to improve the game.. - to be more realistic - to be more "fair" in that douchery would have consequences.. You wouldn't be a proponent of wanton douchery, would you? I'm a proponent of Eve remaining a sandbox. The fact you label someone's play style as 'wanton douchery ' is irrelevant.
You see in Eve you're able to do whatever you want, within in walls and rules. But others can also do the same. It's down to you to try and stop them if they interfere with your game. Eve is PvP centric, time to learn how to play.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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