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 ButtFungus SOONWAFFE 49    |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:14:22 -
[391] - Quote Drizzd wrote: ButtFungus wrote: EULA (Remember thing you agree to in order to play) Section 11 "There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free You agree to take bad with good when you agree to play. CCP owe you nothing when unscheduled downtime or crash happens. if you believe that ... LOLOL we are paying customers and thus have rights .. Right of working service and so on ... Failures happen. Your phone goes down because the telecom company has issues, you get no refund for unavailable phone. Your cable goes down because cable has issues, you do not get a refund for unavailable cable. Your internet goes down because isp issues, you get no refund for unavailable internet. Eve goes down because of CCP issues, you get no refund for unavailable Eve. Think different then get a lawyer and take CCP to court. Good luck with that. |
 Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 7 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:18:07 -
[392] - Quote I think the (base) problem is still there, going to assume some kind of synchronization problem. Using the launcher, have 3 accounts. If I log off one, then try to log back on it says I can't....because it can't copy files while the client is in use. Logging out of all the clients solves the problem, but that's just plain annoying. |
 DrugsDen Temple of Swords Warped Intentions 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:18:13 -
[393] - Quote Still not working thats 16 hours now ffs |
ButtFungus SOONWAFFE 49 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:19:52 -
[394] - Quote Nafensoriel wrote: Ok.. For those who think today requires they get something for their money.. You pay 15 bucks a month(tops) for EVE per account. One day is 50 cents. (30daysx24hrs) Love this! Perhaps one of our Lawyer players can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all players who lost Eve time! We all lost 1/4 day of service, so sue CCP for 12.5 cents times number of active accounts plus legal fees and court costs. With 4 accounts I would get 50 cents, which would buy me a can of pop at work vending machine! Free Pop for no Eve... Please some lawyer take this case!!!@! |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 7 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:24:23 -
[395] - Quote The Launcher just isn't working right. I'm going to be a ton of ISK that there will be further downtimes, probably until all the ops and devs get to work in the AM. |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:26:15 -
[396] - Quote Nafensoriel wrote: Ok.. For those who think today requires they get something for their money.. You pay 15 bucks a month(tops) for EVE per account. One day is 50 cents. (30daysx24hrs) When someone f*cks up your starbucks order you have more grounds to complain than losing one day of EVE by your very own logic. Here's another way of looking at it. If you can make 1 bill ISK a day, but couldn't play all day....you lost a PLEX. |
 Shala Raan Trillionaire.pro 28 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:34:36 -
[397] - Quote Thanks for bringing TQ back online <3 |
 Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 268 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:35:54 -
[398] - Quote Actually you cant use that method of logic. Legally your only grounds of complaint against CCP is right of access. You pay them for right of access to the EVE gameworld servers. Failure for CCP to provide access beyond the limits of their EULA(which btw they haven't failed in providing access) is your only ground for complaint when the server isnt up. A plex cannot be converted to cash legally thus remains with zero currency value. An item with zero real world currency value has no value. Additionally earning 1b isk for a plex is gameplay. CCP satisfied an obligation to acquiring that plex by providing a gameworld where it is possible. In short people. 6hrs. 12.5 cents USD. At best you could challenge 1 full day of lost service or 50 cents USD. Please.. sue CCP for 50 cents. Even class action. A mentally ******** legal team would destroy you and charge YOU for their legal fees. |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:41:37 -
[399] - Quote Nafensoriel wrote: A plex cannot be converted to cash legally thus remains with zero currency value. An item with zero real world currency value has no value. Additionally earning 1b isk for a plex is gameplay. CCP satisfied an obligation to acquiring that plex by providing a gameworld where it is possible.. This would be a good point, if CCP didn't put a cash value/game time on a plex. Lemme make this simple for you, if I play well enough to make enough ISK...I can buy a PLEX. The PLEX allows me to continue playing without having to pay real $$$. So there's a currency value there...if you see it or if you don't. |
 Syri Taneka Un4seen Development Sev3rance 122 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:41:52 -
[400] - Quote I got lucky. My client stopped accepting inputs BEFORE I went into a battle which would have killed me if I'd DC'd in the middle of it. Of course, it also means a hostile NOmen didn't get to die. *shrugs* |
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 268 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:45:36 -
[401] - Quote Second post to explain why CCP has not failed to provide right of access or "acceptable uptime" You. the customer/client, have accepted 30min daily 7 days a week or 3hrs 30min or 15hrs Monthly or 7.5 Days Yearly. Losing 6hrs does not appreciably increase the amount of time CCP cannot provide access to their game world. Thus it cannot be construed as a violation of their side of the EULA agreement. For CCP to violate "uptime" claims you would have to see 30-50% more downtime consistently and regularly generally due to neglect or lack of proper maintenance or professional oversight. CCP has provided professional oversight. CCP has provided regular consistent maintenance CCP has provided regular QOL and Technology related upgrades to their service. CCP stands in good faith while recovering assets lost within their game world due to their own fault. CCP stands in good faith by regularly(see start of post and twitter) updating customers/clients during unexpected issues. In short.. Please again.. sue or legally file against CCP. It would be popcorn worthy and hilarious. CCP has done better than many many other companies in regards to uptime and customer support. |
 Flyint Reverente Lone Wolf Union Yulai Federation 0 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:54:34 -
[402] - Quote meh, must be nice to have it working. Plenty of us out here are still hung in never never land. |
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 269 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:56:21 -
[403] - Quote Bunny Ellecon wrote: Nafensoriel wrote: A plex cannot be converted to cash legally thus remains with zero currency value. An item with zero real world currency value has no value. Additionally earning 1b isk for a plex is gameplay. CCP satisfied an obligation to acquiring that plex by providing a gameworld where it is possible.. This would be a good point, if CCP didn't put a cash value/game time on a plex. Lemme make this simple for you, if I play well enough to make enough ISK...I can buy a PLEX. The PLEX allows me to continue playing without having to pay real $$$. So there's a currency value there...if you see it or if you don't. If I can't play, I can't make IS (sorta). If I can't make ISK I can't buy a PLEX. If I can't buy a PLEX with ISK, then I have to spend IRL $$$ to buy it. Not sure how you're blind to this... Incorrect on just about every single level. CCP provides you, the player, the option to buy an item that can be spawned into existence within the game world. By technical definition buying a plex is just CCP providing the service of creating you, the player, one plex within the game world. The plex itself has no cash value. It cannot be resold as cash. It cannot be traded back as cash except as a refund with CCP. A plex never has physical legal value. It actually doesn't have virtual value either as its pricing is decided on economic conditions within the games simulation. A simulation which has no interactions with the global economy. Your ability to purchase an item in a game with time spent is completely and utterly irrelevant to the cost CCP charges to spawn that item. Additionally your argument is fundamentally flawed by the fact that you are assuming a global situation with all players vs your own abilities. You would have to prove that the standard player could acquire 1 plex with time spent in 6hrs. This really isnt even remotely possible for the average EVE player. Also consider that with your assumption you failed to factor in 1 plex for all active players. As this would be a massive blow to the economy within the game the value would shift drastically. In no way shape or form can you actually logically use this argument as there is not 1 plex per player. Valuation is valuation. 1b isk for all eve players for 6hrs of downtime is not remotely possible because of the limitations of the market and volume of plex. Plex has no real world value. Its a generated in game item. You pay for the service of its creation. |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 01:57:01 -
[404] - Quote Nafensoriel wrote: In short.. Please again.. sue or legally file against CCP. It would be popcorn worthy and hilarious. CCP has done better than many many other companies in regards to uptime and customer support. Just because other companies are worse, doesn't mean CCP shouldn't be held to a certain standard; a standard your average gamer expects. |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 02:01:50 -
[405] - Quote Nafensoriel wrote: The plex itself has no cash value. Odd, I have to pay $$$ or ISK to buy a PLEX. CCP sets a "real world cash value" for a PLEX. I'm not sure how you can see that as false..... Look, just go to CCP's store and you can easily see a PLEX has a Real World dollar value. |
Bunny Ellecon Suo-SHEE Browncoats 8 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 02:13:43 -
[406] - Quote So I'm going to make this even simpler for you, say I have to get to my job to make $$$ but I can't. The roads are closed, police have my only access blocked off, for whatever reason.....I can't make it to my job. I don't make $$$$. Or I'm incredibly sick, can't make it to work. If I did make it to work, I'd probably infect others with whatever I have. Is that my fault? Nope. Does a job allow for sick/personal time. Sure it does. Is my time worth money, of course it is. If I don't have access to my job, for whatever reason, should I still get paid? I'm not even talking about if it's my employer's fault that I can't come to work.... |
ButtFungus SOONWAFFE 49 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 02:16:43 -
[407] - Quote Bunny Ellecon wrote: Nafensoriel wrote: The plex itself has no cash value. Odd, I have to pay $$$ or ISK to buy a PLEX. CCP sets a "real world cash value" for a PLEX. I'm not sure how you can see that as false..... Look, just go to CCP's store and you can easily see a PLEX has a Real World dollar value. Lemme try and make this simple, if I have to pay $10 for something...it is worth $10. Then instead of arguing with us forum warriors, go get yourself an IRL Lawyer and tell them how CCP cheated you out of 15USD and you want to sue them for the value you lost. Oh, and don't forget to add the 12.5 cents per account you lost too. Please post updates to tell us all how this goes. I have LOTS of popcorn here... |
 Sonder Majus University of Caille Gallente Federation 0 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 02:18:47 -
[408] - Quote It's funny/sad to see people complaining that they have lost something by logging in right after servers went up, while they were still in "monitoring" phase. Bunny Ellecon wrote: Odd, I have to pay $$$ or ISK to buy a PLEX. CCP sets a "real world cash value" for a PLEX. I'm not sure how you can see that as false..... Look, just go to CCP's store and you can easily see a PLEX has a Real World dollar value. That would make sense if you would have gotten a "faulty" plex. A plex obtained in-game doesn't really have a "real world cash value", since it can not be "cashed out". Plex obtained by ISK, could be subjected to compensation in ISK only. |
 Snoooow Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 0 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 03:08:20 -
[409] - Quote Another of my corpmates and I are both still having issues logging in even though the servers are back up. This is the error I'm getting: https://imgur.com/QU5CEZb I rebooted my computer/restarted the launcher/etc. |
 ZoR RARER First Bore Company MATOU Alliance 2 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 03:19:12 -
[410] - Quote Snoooow wrote: I have the same thing, sadly it all Another of my corpmates and I are both still having issues logging in even though the servers are back up. This is the error I'm getting: https://imgur.com/QU5CEZb I rebooted my computer/restarted the launcher/etc.   |
 Cpt Mangrum Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 9 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 03:22:14 -
[411] - Quote This is the second time in a couple of days where CCP has cost me several hundered million in isk with the possibility of billions. I demand a refund. SP, isk, or something. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't give back to the players for something you guys messed up! Enough said. |
 Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 329 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 03:54:36 -
[412] - Quote Cpt Mangrum wrote: This is the second time in a couple of days where CCP has cost me several hundered million in isk with the possibility of billions. I demand a refund. SP, isk, or something. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't give back to the players for something you guys messed up! Enough said. STFU you entitled little ****. Just Add Water |
 JustJack123 R3demption. Inc 1 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 04:00:18 -
[413] - Quote Whats going to happen to all the people that needed to fuel thier pos where thier super caps are ? And pay Sov bills to keep sov ? Are all assets protected as a few people can log in and others cant ? what if I cant log in and fuel something and I lose my supercap ? will CCP replace the ship and billon + isk in fittings ? |
 Ni Neith Hedion University Amarr Empire 3 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 04:18:42 -
[414] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Cpt Mangrum wrote: This is the second time in a couple of days where CCP has cost me several hundered million in isk with the possibility of billions. I demand a refund. SP, isk, or something. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't give back to the players for something you guys messed up! Enough said. STFU you entitled little ****. Typical CCP fanboy... |
 Addison Clark Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 04:20:28 -
[415] - Quote JustJack123 wrote: Whats going to happen to all the people that needed to fuel thier pos where thier super caps are ? And pay Sov bills to keep sov ? Are all assets protected as a few people can log in and others cant ? what if I cant log in and fuel something and I lose my supercap ? will CCP replace the ship and billon + isk in fittings ? What if the sky falls or the earth opens up under your feet. I can understand being upset, but don't go wildly speculating. If, however, you have a specific issue, like I did earlier, then complain. Mine was resolved correctly, there was some sort of server rollback, didn't lose anything - just had to run the escalation a second time. I can live with that. I would like an explanation on why it happened, as well as some sort of token of good will. It shouldn't be a plex, but hey 50k SP like they've done historically per active acct wouldn't be unreasonable. As long as I didn't actually *lose* anything other than a small amount of game time, I'm good. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 329 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 04:46:24 -
[416] - Quote Ni Neith wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Cpt Mangrum wrote: This is the second time in a couple of days where CCP has cost me several hundered million in isk with the possibility of billions. I demand a refund. SP, isk, or something. There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't give back to the players for something you guys messed up! Enough said. STFU you entitled little ****. Typical CCP fanboy... oh, a typical hypocrite. Just Add Water |
 Bra' Rage School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 05:55:02 -
[417] - Quote ZOMG Whinge whinge F#%ing whinge !!! Yes the servers are messed up atm , yes it sucks you cant log onto eve atm. It might be a good time to go shower and clean ya room or even do some real life social stuff, even get outside and mow ya grass and get a sun tan for crying out loud. Crying about internet spaceships is quite hilarious actually and I'm only speaking up because I'm out of popcorn. But seriously if ya don't like it or cant handle the heat ... GET OUT OF The Kitchen!!!!!!!!.... Please CCP can we have a update on how things are travelling with the issues? And to those worried about super caps and Pos fuels I'm sure CCP will re-emburse your loses and if you ask nicely may even take them off the KB's if necessary. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/08/53/f0/0853f0160acfe9a4198816a3bc23d4ea.jpg |
 Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7538 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 07:57:59 -
[418] - Quote Bunny Ellecon wrote: Nafensoriel wrote: In short.. Please again.. sue or legally file against CCP. It would be popcorn worthy and hilarious. CCP has done better than many many other companies in regards to uptime and customer support. Just because other companies are worse, doesn't mean CCP shouldn't be held to a certain standard; a standard your average gamer expects. You're kidding, right? You mean EVE Online's 99%+ uptime is not up to standard? Get out. Unsub, biomass, and never come back, because if that is the case, then your standards are impossible to meet, and you will never ever be satisfied as a result. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7538 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 08:03:23 -
[419] - Quote Bunny Ellecon wrote: Nafensoriel wrote: The plex itself has no cash value. Odd, I have to pay $$$ or ISK to buy a PLEX. CCP sets a "real world cash value" for a PLEX. I'm not sure how you can see that as false..... Look, just go to CCP's store and you can easily see a PLEX has a Real World dollar value. Lemme try and make this simple, if I have to pay $10 for something...it is worth $10. Lemme make this even simpler for you. If you buy a car for $50k, I guarantee you that you won't be reselling it for $50K. If you buy a shirt worth $20 from one store, you cannot then take that shirt use it to pay for $20 worth of groceries at another store. Hell, you won't even be able to buy 5c worth of groceries with it. Value doesn't work like you seem to think it does here. Likewise, once you purchase a PLEX, it's no longer worth what you handed over for it. It never has been, and never will be. CCP doesn't set a real world cash value for PLEX, they set a buy price, which is what you pay, but there is no sell price in real world cash. Because if you read the conditions of a PLEX purchase, it explains in no uncertain terms that it is non-refundable and not redeemable for cash. That's how it IS, not how you want it to be but how it is. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
 Jaantrag 43 |
Posted - 2016.03.01 09:07:28 -
[420] - Quote problems again ? . lost connection 5 min ago .. cant reconnect .. |
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