Hello people, Team Game of Drones is having a look at the Citadel structures services (reprocessing, clones, market, compression, offices) and we would like to make a few changes that will impact NPC taxes. The goal of such changes is to give more flexibility for Citadel owners to make a profit when charging their services to the public, while making sure they are profitable enough to compete versus NPC station services.

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• Jump Clones: current price for installing jump clones in NPC stations is around 100,000 ISK. We are planning to increase that amount to 5m ISK to install a jump clone in NPC stations. That price will also be payable anytime a clone is left behind in a NPC station - so, if you jump clone away from a NPC station from previously established jump clones you will still pay that price. Jump Clones installed in Citadels will not have any NPC taxes, but the owner can charge his own pricing for the service. We also want to remove the maximum limit of jump clones for Citadels: like Citadel offices, your alliance, corporation or public customers will never be denied usage of this service if you grant them access in the first place.

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Please remember those are still work in progress changes (especially the market broker's fee tax amount), so please use constructive feedback in your replies.

open ship fitting from corp fittings. 'buy all' inside the citadel where your glorious logistics bros have seeded the market.

Currently I can let the big boys play in null and do my own thing in high/low. I'd really really hate to be forced into space politics and big block shenanigans. Please think about why you want to do this, do you just want eve to be a more realistic, evil, grittier place, or do you really think this will improve gamplay as a whole? Just because a feature is cool and interesting and more sandboxy doesn't make it good for the game.

Yes: This makes sense.

Let us take a simple contract and make the person put up a minimum of 9 sell orders (ship, fittings, ammo, etc.).

Then let us take those 9 sell orders and make them visible to everyone in the region (because that is how the market in Eve works).

Then let the invaders or attackers go through and buy out the market (because again that is how the market in Eve works).

Guess what? Can you see the problem yet?

Now you have no doctrine ships for your pilots to fly.

Don't think this will happen? Why do you think people started using contracts in the first place?

5 million isk every time you *use* a jump clone at an NPC station? That's 10 million if you happen to be jumping from one NPC station to another? When you already have the cost of a 24 hour timer?

Clearly you intend to force players into player corps/alliances and force them to use player owned structures for basic services.

Clearly you have not looked at the "unintended consequences." I'll be very narrow in my take on this:

This will make nullsec PVP even more the exclusive preserve of the big blue doughnut crowd. May as well put up a big, bright "Newbies not welcome" sign. It will probably also leave NPC null basically a deserted wasteland, as if it isn't non-viable enough already.

Maybe incentives work better than arbitrary punishments, no?

"To create an environment more competitive for Citadels, we plan on increasing the transaction tax to 2.5% [....] Players trading in citadels will still receive the transaction tax, but the broker's fee will be at the complete discretion of the owner. "

I don't understand how raising the transaction tax everywhere, w/o the possibility of reduction by using a Citadel market service - makes Citadels more competitive.

You can use someone else's citadel, without having to belong to their corporation or alliance.

The market rig reduces the transaction tax fire citadels

Thx - missed that. We will face interesting tradeoffs in rigging choices.

Only if they let you.

Odds of that happening?

Pretty close to zero. Like anybody is going to pay for and take the risk of continuing to pay for a citadel just to let the bad guys use it.

This will kill casual/newbro PVP dead and probably empty out a lot of lowsec and NPC null as well. Won't effect the big sov null blobs at all.

EDIT: Except for making their space even more secure, that is.

You don't think people will make free-for-all docking citadels in empire, especially with the prospect of being able to reap tax income from them? If you think they won't exist, you're nuts.

Situation:

I'm putting my 3 month sell order in citadel


Owner rises sell tax to 100%. Buys my stuff, gets his isk back with the tax.

me -> no items, no isk.

owner -> items and isk.


Until you install the means to prevent that fraud, I will stay away from any investments in player-owned market places.

Situation:

I'm putting my 3 month sell order in citadel


Owner rises sell tax to 100%. Buys my stuff, gets his isk back with the tax.

me -> no items, no isk.

owner -> items and isk.


Until you install the means to prevent that fraud, I will stay away from any investments in player-owned market places.

Agreed. This is a tax on PvP whereas the other fees are a tax on profitable activities. Profit taxes are good, PvP tax is bad.

I think that the ability to stack jump clones in the same structure (vs just one now) is adequate incentive. The current system is a real pain.

You don't think people will make free-for-all docking citadels in empire, especially with the prospect of being able to reap tax income from them? If you think they won't exist, you're nuts.

]It is only 5 million ISK to teleport across the entire map; stop complaining scrubs.

Per character, per jump. Moving around is a key part of the game now due to how far and between content is. The faster and easier it is to get to content, the better experiences players have, and the more the wheels of the economy are greased, which in turn is more content for people. It will add up a lot faster than you think, and is just another straw on an increasingly burdened back.

Everyone of these proposed changes is harmful to players and small entities.

So it is not good because it doesn't allow players instant gratification and means their choices have consequences... I guess I can't blame you as it seems to be the path eve has been following lately.

Per character, per jump. Moving around is a key part of the game now due to how far and between content is. The faster and easier it is to get to content, the better experiences players have, and the more the wheels of the economy are greased, which in turn is more content for people. It will add up a lot faster than you think, and is just another straw on an increasingly burdened back.

Everyone of these proposed changes is harmful to players and small entities.