What's the actual point of the 5 mil jump fee for NPC stations?

This "covering costs" thing is obviously ridiculous since NPCs don't have costs or wallets or ISK... or am I missing something here?

It will be detrimental to PvP. In RvB we primarily stay in high sec but often have low or null sec roams. Everyone jumps into their clean clone, naturally, not wanting to risk their implants. With a 5 mil fee, and another 5 mil to jump back into their implanted clone, many people will simply not bother. I'm sure other groups who occasionally go to low or null for roams will be similarly affected.

I am failing to see the point whatsoever. It seems like all con and no pro. What's the pro's of this change, from any angle? Who is it meant to help?

Last I heard, citadels have the biggest guns

And having big fights in highsec is something that would be interesting to see

The point is that running a Clone Bay in a Citadel will have a cost (in the new fuel-blocks) which, as suggested in the OP, is currently around 157m per month.

What I didn't see you address is the Citadels that are distractible, and the player has ZERO control over access, and fees. So you won't *lose* anything, only everything for 20 days when they are killed.

So what does a player do when the crop that owns the Citadel changes the fees and standings without any notice? I guess we just loose everything? No one has addressed this concern.

Market: markets currently have two taxes, transaction's tax, applied for sold items, and broker's fee for non immediate orders, which are set at 1.5% and 1% respectively. To create an environment more competitive for Citadels, we plan on increasing the transaction tax to 2.5% and the broker's fee to 5-6%. Players trading in citadels will still receive the transaction tax, but the broker's fee will be at the complete discretion of the owner. To avoid confusion for the owner, the broker relations skill will not affect player set broker's fee in Citadels.

An undefended XL Citadel will only take ~4 hours to kill from 20-30 Battleships will it not? (Unless my math is really really off)
That amount of DPS + Logi wouldn't be hard to muster together for the organized groups

Hell, if I'm reading the blog right, a medium will go down really easy, it's nothing to put together a fleet that'll do 4,000 dps that can be applied to one

The only thing that makes M's & L's harder than to take down in high-sec that current POS'es with weapon/ewar modules, is that Citadels might have weapons that can alpha through hostile fleets

* Again, this is all assuming I haven't wildly misunderstood this blog, so if I have, please please someone correct me *

Honestly, I'd expect these changes out of a phone company, where first they give you this wonderful new feature, then they start billing you for it because they know they can get away with it, as they have discontinued the old feature.

You have seen where structure based gameplay has done for the game. You have seen what large power blocs do when given free reign and game design that encourages excessive monopolization. Why you continue to push for changes that hurt the little guy is beyond me - new players are the future, and slowing down or making content creation more difficult just makes that future terrible.

5m isk is a lot, especially for new players, especially over time when jump clones are part of daily game play, especially with multiple characters. If there is too much inflation, deal with faucets. Treating the symptom is no where near as good as treating the disease.

the problem is npc stations are to plentiful and to strong they did need to be nerffed

What happened with Supers will happen with Citadels. Eventually the only way to have access to markets will be to join one of the mega citadel holding coalitions, and there will be no room for the little guy to access or have any power on the market.

All of these changes are literally horrible for the little guy.

Making undesirable to play the game without your (CCP's) new toys is just an invitation to not play the game any longer.

It's like wardecs. The optimal solution is to not play.

Want to avoid paying taxes for what used to be free? Don't play EVE.

It's not about people ragequitting over this change. It's about people playing the game in the same way they like to play it, but now being inconvenienced day after day after day.

Day after day after day, you pay a fee for using a JC.

Day after day after day, you lose money setting up orders.

It will not matter for one week. Or one month. Or one year. But sooner or later, it will wear off.

And then the optimal solution will be to stop being inconvenienced every single day. Stop playing EVE.

I can hear you asking: Why not play EVE in a different way? Come on. What kind of fool would pay for playing what he doesn't wants to play?

the problem is npc stations are to plentiful and to strong they did need to be nerffed

There are some that will like the new changes ( and will argue till blue in the face how great it will be) and some that don't (Unsubbed because what's the point in arguing) . Those that don't here is what I have experienced.

The corp I was in the player base was/is shrinking because too many were not liking the new changes with no rewarding content. Every corp member is different and enjoyed different aspects of the game. From recent ship changes, jump fatigue, sov mechanics just to name the recent few have drove them away. Some felt more satisfied to play a less expensive game that provided a more overall satisfaction then redundant and tedious gameplay that provides less and less rewards.

I Think citadels are a great idea but shouldn't be FORCED upon players. The Citadel idea should sell itself and not making other parts of the game play crap to compensate. Just make citadels that much better then what NPC has to offer by coming up with new ideas that NPC stations cant offer. Some positive ideas have been thrown out with cloning. I am sure there are some more great a new ideas that citadels can achieve.


Ultimately CCP will do what it wants I just hope they realize the full scope of this change.

If you are a space trader, will you consign your valuable assets for sale in a space building that is constantly at risk of being blocked from access, being expelled, being reinforced, being destructed and subject to change of pricing at the mercy of owner? Are you serious? Merging market hub into Citadel is a bad idea.

The downside of market hub in Citadel is too much to be compensated by a few percentage of fees. The possible risk and hassle against the small gain is not worth the effort to use it. A space full of empty Citadel is not what we want. So, instead of creating arbitrary "competitive advantage" for Citadel, market hub should be removed from it. Market hub should remain in NPC station and no need to raise sales tax and broker fee to give a buff to Citadel. Citadel can be a death star, an industrial port, an invention laboratory, a mining base, an intelligence centre or a propaganda monument, but not a market hub.

but these things never used to be free just cheaper

I'm just wondering why CCP is so damn eager to force traders into citadels.

An EVE trader is faced with two choices:

- train Broker Relations to V and grind NPC faction and corporation standings to the max. It'll be the new Material Efficiency V.
- face the uncertainty of trading in a citadel that can be ganked, dismantled, taxes hiked and docking rights arbitrarily revoked.
- play another game where inconvenience ISN'T a "game feature"

Actually the opposite is true.

Vast areas of nullsec are effectively "owned" by the big blocs mostly because there are no NPC stations from which any opposition can base any sort of sustained activity.

[EDIT: Meant to add - we need *more* NPC stations in null and low, including more NPC "pockets" breaking up sov null. Unless stagnation and stasis is the actual endgame here]

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Edit: Remember, if I have 4% lower broker fee's at a Citadel as opposed to Jita 4-4, and 10 bil in market movement a day, that's 400 million a day in fee's I'm not paying compared to NPC

There is plenty of NPC space up in the north with active alliances in them. Geuss that bloc should break up any minute now.

If you are a space trader, will you consign your valuable assets for sale in a space building that is constantly at risk of being blocked from access, being expelled, being reinforced, being destructed and subject to change of pricing at the mercy of owner? Are you serious? Merging market hub into Citadel is a bad idea.