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Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:20:00 - [31] if a titan is supposed to be a slightly mobile station, make it "accessible" in the overview with the usual station square
0mega GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:42:00 - [32] Edited by: 0mega on 10/02/2007 08:40:48 Originally by: Yamamoto Osu Apparently you missed the part of the game where ASCN lost a titan. I wont get into the potential mitigating factors involved, but the fact of the matter is they can be killed. Only when there is no pilot to operate the 'shoot' and 'escape' buttons. The biggest flaw is being able to fire a doomsday blast immediately before using a cyno. Increase cap usage on the doomsday and make it less effective when remotely activated and suddenly things are a bit more level. I think it demonstrates how unbalanced they are when devs are suggesting use of 'nano-naglfars' to kill them. Good luck finding someone to fly a 2bn ISK ship with no effective guns and a 'speed-tank' of 500m/s.
Mazzazuri Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:01:00 - [33] the hole point of a mothership or titan is its supposed to be unkillable thats the point they cost 22b n 65b would u build one if u knew u could get ganked don't be stupid and also post with ur main u fool
Mazzazuri Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:02:00 - [34] Oh and u can't dock them so do you really think its a good idea because i deffo don't
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:04:00 - [35] I bought a rolls royce yesterday and that cost me alot so If It gets hit with a car it will be invincible? Half Assed Rhymage
Tsurako	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Yamamoto Osu Apparently you missed the part of the game where ASCN lost a titan. I wont get into the potential mitigating factors involved, but the fact of the matter is they can be killed. Yeah, if the attackers have devs on their side.
Ky Vatta Caldari Empire Mining and Industrial Taskforce	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I bought a rolls royce yesterday and that cost me alot so If It gets hit with a car it will be invincible? It might be if you armour-plated it...
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:55:00 - [38] I do think that they DD fired through a Cyno should be half as effective as firing up close and personal. I don't think EW should be allowed to work on them. They are the biggest investment in EVE, they should be able to survive most situations with ease! ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Majin82 They are the biggest investment in EVE What about the 500billion ISS IPO that seems to be a pretty big investment and has nothing to do with e-war immunity Half Assed Rhymage
Watcher Four	Posted - 2007.02.10 17:53:00 - [40] Quote from SCH by Seleene: http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=3209&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45 Quote: Besides, anyone who thinks that they have a "certain death" plan to kill a mothership, much less two on the same grid, has either never fought or flown one. In other words, Seleene says its unstoppable. And he can be trusted, i suppose... So, MS's are balanced by cost? 20 bil for complete invulnerability?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:13:00 - [41] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/02/2007 18:12:12 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu If you want to kill Motherships/Titans you simply have to nos them. No cap = no warp = no jump. Oh, and bumping with nanobs's works good as well. Errr what...you can still warp with no cap, try it. Nossing a captial ship prevents it from cynoing out. It wont stop it from warping. And since you cant drop a dictor bubble in empire, a MS in empire is untouchable. The only way to kill it is if the pilot feels like dying that day. As has been said before...no MS has been killed yet. Smart bombs will destroy a dictor bubble, bumping nano domies will get eaten alive by fighters. (nano domi = no tank) Please post your mother ship kill once you have "simply" nossed it Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Xrak on 10/02/2007 18:25:58 Yea CCP can you please fix them. ATM, Titans are not cost effective! Originally by: Empress Aphrodite ("don't flush it yet - let's freshen up the room a little")
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:33:00 - [43] Is it me or are most of those for the OP are alts and those against are mostly not alts? ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 10/02/2007 18:25:58 Yea CCP can you please fix them. ATM, Titans are not cost effective! It would probably help there cost effectivness if your alliance didnt use there dev tools to crash the pilot ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Lord Slater Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 10/02/2007 18:25:58 Yea CCP can you please fix them. ATM, Titans are not cost effective! It would probably help there cost effectivness if your alliance didnt use there dev tools to crash the pilot You completely missed that joke Half Assed Rhymage
Zartacla Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Lord Slater Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 10/02/2007 18:25:58 Yea CCP can you please fix them. ATM, Titans are not cost effective! It would probably help there cost effectivness if your alliance didnt use there dev tools to crash the pilot You completely missed that joke the joke is people thinking that the DEVs now build tools to crash other pilots and use them to take down capitals.
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Zartacla Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Lord Slater Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 10/02/2007 18:25:58 Yea CCP can you please fix them. ATM, Titans are not cost effective! It would probably help there cost effectivness if your alliance didnt use there dev tools to crash the pilot You completely missed that joke the joke is people thinking that the DEVs now build tools to crash other pilots and use them to take down capitals. Still missed the joke. The first poster was making a ref to a statement said my CCP's CEO at fan fest. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Hohenheim OfLight Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:33:00 - [48] Leave them alone they are fine, peeps just need to try harder. its 20 billion isk ship and 65 billion isk ship. it should be hard to tkill htem its fucing hard to get them. ---------------------------------------------- Is mining for a hel mad? or just ambishus?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Leave them alone they are fine, peeps just need to try harder. its 20 billion isk ship and 65 billion isk ship. it should be hard to tkill htem its fucing hard to get them. Give them a scram defense of 100 and I think every one will be happy Half Assed Rhymage
Jarjar Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Xeliya Seleene almost lost his MS from the of it when they kept bumping him so he couldn't warp don't cry about them, not to mention you could prob them again before they warp again. Only thing that needs to be fixed is not allowed into 0.1+ Actually he said that his tank had no problem to keep up with the damage, even when under fire by half of the north. "This was not a fight it was simply a pathetic gank." - Ginger Magician
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:14:00 - [51] Titans are SUPPOSED to be the most powerful ships in the game. Basically, you need capital ships to kill them. Specifically, dreadnoughts (which, if I recall correctly, would be able to survive in siege mode). Role of Capital Ships: Dreadnought: Anti-station/capital ship Carrier: Mother of all drone ships Mothership: Mobile base, good for support Titan: Fleet-killer __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
SPIONKOP Caldari Under The Edge	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:25:00 - [52] Any ship can be killed its just about how much you are willing to lose to kill it. A Mothership with T2/Officer mods maybe worth 50bil+ I was told. Well a fleet of 20 Nos Domis and a large support fleet could kill it. May cost half the fleet in doing so. From my experiance people simply don't want to lose their ships and implants. Question boils down to how much your corp/alliance is prepared to lose to kill it. If you lose 20-30 BS and 50 Support Ships whats the cost. 3-4 Bil. Add a few dreds and/or Carriers max cost could be 10bil. Sadly few corps are prepared to risk this amount to kill a 50bil+ ship.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:27:00 - [53] The problem isn't that it can't be killed its that it always takes off when things get a bit too hairy (most of the time) Half Assed Rhymage
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:13:00 - [54] The way I understand the argument. -The titan can't be taken down, it just Doomsdays whatever it wants and can't be held in place. If it has problems, it runs. +Well then bring more firepower like dreads, they can survive a Doomsday in siege mode. -That's a fine idea my good sir, how shall we keep the Titan in place such that we may unload our fiery hell-death upon it. +You can't, and that's the way it should be, dear chum. So, to fight a Titan, you have to be near the Titan, but, the Titan can fire its weapon remotely and can't be held in place (unless, of course, it's logged off while aggressed and its pilot can't log back in). Granted, the scenario of a fleet of dreads unleashing massive amounts of ammunition into the Titan before it can leave seems like a good idea , unless you take into account that it too will have a sizable fleet with it. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Halada Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Yamamoto Osu Apparently you missed the part of the game where ASCN lost a titan. I wont get into the potential mitigating factors involved, but the fact of the matter is they can be killed. You missed the point that the tank wasn't active since the pilot CTD'd and no one was piloting it. Click on my sig to read it !
Tarminic	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Sitting on a gate then suddenly getting blown up by something you can't kill is really not fun at all. While piloting my Iteron V through 0.0 space with no scouts and escort, I was attacked and killed by a pirate. Flying to a gate and then suddenly getting blown up by something you can kill is really not fun at all. Nerf pirates! Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected]) It's true, I swear.
Kvah'nid	Posted - 2007.02.10 22:29:00 - [57] Just saw Shrike, in his titan, warp to a large deathstar POS on his own, shoot off a doomsday while he was on grid, shrug off approx 100 RA people about half in battleships shooting him and although we stopped him warping by bumping him, after about 2 minutes of being shot he simply cyno'ed out. Capital ships should not be able to cyno while aggressed by their own weapons MUCH LIKE you can't jump out of a system if you've fired your guns at something lately in a normal ship. It'd need to be extended to a little longer than a 45 second delay - perhaps 5minutes or so? That would make them killable in -some- situations. At least, it would enable them not to be flown on their own into a 100 enemy fleet and just sit there laughing at everyone because he's invincible.
tiewan	Posted - 2007.02.10 22:48:00 - [58] I think the solution is to have a ubertitanhiveship that acts like a carrier, with titan sized fighters. Then you could kill titans no problem
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.10 22:49:00 - [59] Originally by: tiewan I think the solution is to have a ubertitanhiveship that acts like a carrier, with titan sized fighters. Then you could kill titans no problem Do the fighters have lagsday devices? Half Assed Rhymage
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.02.10 22:50:00 - [60] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 10/02/2007 22:46:35 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Sitting on a gate then suddenly getting blown up by something you can't kill is really not fun at all. While piloting my Iteron V through 0.0 space with no scouts and escort, I was attacked and killed by a pirate. Flying to a gate and then suddenly getting blown up by something you can kill is really not fun at all. Nerf pirates! If you can't see the difference between a ship that can warp to a hostile deathstar with a 100 man fleet of battleships on it and just jump away when it gets a bit miffed and you being a moron in a T1 hauler then I can only tell you to get the ** out. And for those suggesting "lol just use nos!" then you need around 40 battleships with 8 heavy energy neutralizers** just to break the regen rate on a half-decently fitted avatar, to take it down to below 70%, to prevent jump out, within a reasonable amount of time would probably take more than twice that number. But this doesn't even matter, since the titan doesn't ever need to move more than a meter outside of a POS shield to deliver its doomsday and wipe out your entire fleet while all you ever saw was a little cyno kestrel. But hey, if you think that's good gameplay then good for you! Personally, I don't.

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