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Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:33:48 -
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Reagalan wrote:
Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion?
Is the Pope Catholic?
Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls?
Answer these questions and you will have answered yours.
My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
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Dainael
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:37:21 -
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Reagalan wrote:Jump Fatigue is dumb.
Blops already have a range bonus that defenders cannot realistically counter against.
Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion?
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socos
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:42:11 -
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A good change Hopping for more in the future |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1119
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:42:17 -
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BoomBoss wrote:+1
However, I am still a bigger fan of removing this fatigue nonsense all together.
y u hate localized conflicts?
Reagalan wrote:Jump Fatigue is dumb. Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion?
so, and thats a bad thing exactly why?? Nothing wrong about capital killmails ...
Also, good advertising for MOA too. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2308
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:43:06 -
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Fully support this, of course.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Shang Ty
Jones' Barbecue and Foot Massage
3
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:49:09 -
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Good to see. Now if fatigue could just go away totally and give carriers back their 15ly range it would be all better. If you have to move far, sometimes its easier to just sell the silly thing and buy another one. |
CBBOMBERMAN
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
11
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:53:36 -
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gj Fozzie |
Reagalan
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:56:24 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:BoomBoss wrote:+1
However, I am still a bigger fan of removing this fatigue nonsense all together. y u hate localized conflicts? They're not what a game built on epic struggles should be about.
The only reason I'm even back at the moment is because our epic space empire is experiencing an epic invasion. Reagalan wrote:Jump Fatigue is dumb. Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion? so, and thats a bad thing exactly why?? Nothing wrong about capital killmails ... It's bad because we have proof already that blops drops are effective. It's a fix on something that isn't broken.Also, good advertising for MOA too. Don't care. Go ahead and join them all you wan't and deal with massadeath's autism for any more than two minutes. |
Tempelman N
The Bombers Bar
87
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:13:44 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We're planning on making a targeted tweak to Black Ops battleships in the Citadel expansion and wanted to start gathering your feedback. This change would improve the Black Ops jump fatigue reduction role bonus to 75%, from the current 50%. This effectively doubles the strength of the bonus.This is obviously not the only change that we could make to Black Ops, and we obviously aren't treating it as a complete re-balance of the class. This is a tweak to one specific bonus that will hopefully improve the strength of Black Ops in a jumping/bridging role and allow us to observe the behavior changes that result. Shout out to the representatives on CSM X, especially Sort Dragon, who brought up this as a topic of discussion at the recent summit. The CSM 11 election is ongoing right now, and if you haven't voted yet I strongly encourage you to go ahead and do so right here.Let us know what you think about this Black Ops change in this thread. Thanks!
FOZZIE! PLEASE as a Blops pilot and somebody who is extremely passionate about Blops and covert ops in EVE I strongly encourage you to consider the following for Blops
> Covert Ops Cloaks - Any good Blops won't engage so giving them Cov Cloaks would only allow them to attack like proper sneak attack boats - Since Local gives away the entire element of surprise the only viable surprise solution is to give Blops the ability too properly choose its time of attack.
> Jump Fatigue NEEDS to be dropped I can't tell you how many times Iv dropped and then had to walk away from my PC because the fun police timer tells me i'v maxed my fun pew hour limit.
> DPS needs to be higher by a bit like common guys, I can push 900 DPS from a bomber and The widow is getting MABEY 1100 with max skills so lets get some more DPS comming from The Blops. |
Captain H4rlock
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:14:36 -
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if you give them +25% in time cut 25% of their range.. result more often jumps in less space ..more time they get exposed but also more time player can actually play with them and not just w8 the fatique to go away you can also maybe make a module script on the jpg to either gieve bonus to range or time but simply tweaking it to +25% seems like you wana gieve some love ( call me op) to blpos i wander if balance is the goal here |
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Perry Swift
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
7
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:16:13 -
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- reduce jump fatigue on blops - range is ok (- t2 resists for a t2 ship?) - give the nestor a jump drive and blops bonus
fixed. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
3000
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:16:13 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Kinera Anurin wrote:Will this apply only to the battleship itself, or also to other ships taking covert bridges?
I would worry that without it applying to ships being bridged, blopsing will remain a fatigue-juggling annoyance for most groups, beyond those able to form a fleet of solely Blops BSes. It applies to both. does this mean a covert hauler being bridged is now at like...97.5% reduced fatigue? |
SilentAsTheGrave
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
376
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:20:32 -
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@CCP Fozzie & Team
While this change increases the ability of Blops and related ships taking bridges; I can't help but wonder about future changes. Travel buffs only do so much and I would like to see other changes not related to this. Being sneaky is one thing, but once you are in the fight, the Blops are not really that interesting. If anything, they are very weak compared to any other battleship class and nothing outside of travel related non-combat bonus and abilities stands out.
What can you tell us about what you and the team does and does not like about non-travel related Blobs ships? I fear that the general player base only things about jump drive capability and buffing that until they are able to just hot drop a dozen Blops on the lone T1 cruiser left and right because taking on a real fight is highly regarded as suicide. Please share the teams thoughts on this. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
163
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:25:55 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:until they are able to just hot drop a dozen Blops on the lone T1 cruiser left and right because taking on a real fight is highly regarded as suicide. Or you could try to not be ****?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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ZagaBoom
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
2
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:26:33 -
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Fifth Blade wrote: Fortunately we'll all just work around it by making more alts. What a well thought out mechanic.
Seriously. +1 spot on. Except they want the monies from the people are all spending on extractors. Soooo how to keep up CCP profits AND make gameplay not suck. Ya know I don't think anyone on this forum has any experience with that so SOL.
Fun Fact! The dude who thought up Fatigue left for Riot like two weeks(?) after implementation. Fozzie! Can we get rid of this tools bad idea? Activation timer is an ineloquent solution to an ugly problem. Cool. Fatigue is just a painfully bad mechanic. |
Reagalan
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2016.03.20 21:36:06 -
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Yeah these other suggestions make much more sense: T2 resists. Covert ops cloak. If the change is supposed to be a buff to blops BS then it needs to be targeted to blops BS, which could, in fact, use a buff.
Put the Battle back in Black Ops Battleship.
Remove fatigue altogether so blops duders can drop more often and we can counterdrop and better defend our hard-fought homeland tia. |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2377
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:34:57 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:@CCP Fozzie & Team
While this change increases the ability of Blops and related ships taking bridges; I can't help but wonder about future changes. Travel buffs only do so much and I would like to see other changes not related to this. Being sneaky is one thing, but once you are in the fight, the Blops are not really that interesting. If anything, they are very weak compared to any other battleship class and nothing outside of travel related non-combat bonus and abilities stands out. You are forgiven since you are in PHorde. If you think that BLOPS are weak, I encourage you to check out killboards of pilots like MasL and Gulnar. Their strength are not massive tank (like the Abaddon) or super far projection (like the Dominix or Rail Megathron), their strength is to jump into your face when you least expect it, hug your face and pound you with massive DPS ... and then vanish into the void. BLOPS are not meant to fight like a Maelstrom or Megathron (or Machariel these days), BLOPS are not meant to stay on a field and fight off an equally strong fleet. That is not how BLOPS work or are supposed to work.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
376
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:42:51 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:@CCP Fozzie & Team
While this change increases the ability of Blops and related ships taking bridges; I can't help but wonder about future changes. Travel buffs only do so much and I would like to see other changes not related to this. Being sneaky is one thing, but once you are in the fight, the Blops are not really that interesting. If anything, they are very weak compared to any other battleship class and nothing outside of travel related non-combat bonus and abilities stands out. You are forgiven since you are in PHorde. If you think that BLOPS are weak, I encourage you to check out killboards of pilots like MasL and Gulnar. Their strength are not massive tank (like the Abaddon) or super far projection (like the Dominix or Rail Megathron), their strength is to jump into your face when you least expect it, hug your face and pound you with massive DPS ... and then vanish into the void. BLOPS are not meant to fight like a Maelstrom or Megathron (or Machariel these days), BLOPS are not meant to stay on a field and fight off an equally strong fleet. That is not how BLOPS work or are supposed to work.
Can you enlighten me on some T1 battleship fits vs. the Blop fits to show where the Blop fits excel at something better in combat than the T1 battleships?
Unless you are telling me it is just a gank ship only? |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2377
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:46:44 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Can you enlighten me on some T1 battleship fits vs. the Blop fits to show where the Blop fits excel at something better in combat than the T1 battleships? A T1 Bs cannot do this. The fact that you try to compare a BLOPS to a standard T1 BS in terms of capabilities shows that you do not understand how to use BLOPS. You do not use a fleet of BLOPS to roam around space via gates or use them like Machariels or Rattlesnakes in big fleets to chuck it out with another big fleet. This is not the purpose of BLOPS and should never be.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Xackattack Avianson
The Grey Eagles A Few Brave Men
8
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:52:28 -
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Bless you glorious Fozzie and the rest of CCP
Bless you ;)
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Don Peyote
Leather Club Paisti Syndicate
21
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:52:38 -
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good |
Mar5hy
BLOPSEC Sustainable Whaling Inc.
4
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:33:30 -
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Finally. Who's redeemer do I suck. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
376
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:33:58 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Can you enlighten me on some T1 battleship fits vs. the Blop fits to show where the Blop fits excel at something better in combat than the T1 battleships? A T1 Bs cannot do this. The fact that you try to compare a BLOPS to a standard T1 BS in terms of capabilities shows that you do not understand how to use BLOPS. You do not use a fleet of BLOPS to roam around space via gates or use them like Machariels or Rattlesnakes in big fleets to chuck it out with another big fleet. This is not the purpose of BLOPS and should never be.
So their role is to gank and that's it? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
9410
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:35:32 -
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YES! NOW to remove fatigue from Blops ENTIRELY. Wooo go team! :D |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
659
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:42:22 -
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I'm sure this will make a lot of Black Ops pilots happy even if they're among the least impeded jump capable ships as-is.
Not sure why so many want covops on a black ops ship. I mean it would be cool, but also potentially ridiculously broken. If you really must feel sneaky in a blops, why not ask for d-scan immunity?
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments Second Empire.
1744
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:45:33 -
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My body is ready.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:57:39 -
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Reagalan wrote:Jump Fatigue is dumb.
Blops already have a range bonus that defenders cannot realistically counter against.
Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion?
Best thing I've read on here in years <3 |
412nv Yaken
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
357
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Posted - 2016.03.20 23:59:26 -
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Tempelman N wrote: FOZZIE! PLEASE as a Blops pilot and somebody who is extremely passionate about Blops and covert ops in EVE I strongly encourage you to consider the following for Blops
> Covert Ops Cloaks - Any good Blops won't engage so giving them Cov Cloaks would only allow them to attack like proper sneak attack boats - Since Local gives away the entire element of surprise the only viable surprise solution is to give Blops the ability too properly choose its time of attack.
> Jump Fatigue NEEDS to be dropped I can't tell you how many times Iv dropped and then had to walk away from my PC because the fun police timer tells me i'v maxed my fun pew hour limit.
> DPS needs to be higher by a bit like common guys, I can push 900 DPS from a bomber and The widow is getting MABEY 1100 with max skills so lets get some more DPS comming from The Blops.
m8888888888888888888888888888888
1. Because covert cynos don't allow for "sneak" attacks - and giving them covet ops cloaks wouldn't totally be exploited 2. They are making jump fatigue changes - Its in this thread 3. Widow is to be used for jams. If you want a DPS ship use something else that doesn't have a specific use.
A True Champion of High Security Space
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SilentAsTheGrave
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
376
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Posted - 2016.03.21 00:15:13 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:I'm sure this will make a lot of Black Ops pilots happy even if they're among the least impeded jump capable ships as-is.
Not sure why so many want covops on a black ops ship. I mean it would be cool, but also potentially ridiculously broken. If you really must feel sneaky in a blops, why not ask for d-scan immunity?
Why not delayed kill mails that are pulled and linked? What I mean is if you are opperating behind enemy lines how about the intel on Blops operation be on a 24 hour delay for the kill mails? |
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
106
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Posted - 2016.03.21 00:15:38 -
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Reagalan wrote:Jump Fatigue is dumb.
Blops already have a range bonus that defenders cannot realistically counter against.
Do you really hate us that much to consider buffing Mordus Angles' bomber gangs when they already kill more ratting carriers than Pandemic Legion?
How about we let you have that, and you give us back entosis ceptors with no speed cap, and non regen fozzie sov,.. And we will give you Black ops at current Fatigue levels.
I think Its time for you guys to man up, stop whining about how hard eve is, and possibly give up some of the stupid empty systems you guys have instead of whining about how hard it is to keep them safe from from guerrilla tactics. How about use the 30,000 players you have effectively.
all the best from MOA :) (ohh and we killed 2 carrier yesterday and one today)
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