This change should be effective in allowing blops to do their job more than once or twice a hour.

Hey everyone. We're planning on making a targeted tweak to Black Ops battleships in the Citadel expansion and wanted to start gathering your feedback.

This change would improve the Black Ops jump fatigue reduction role bonus to 75%, from the current 50%. This effectively doubles the strength of the bonus.

This is obviously not the only change that we could make to Black Ops, and we obviously aren't treating it as a complete re-balance of the class. This is a tweak to one specific bonus that will hopefully improve the strength of Black Ops in a jumping/bridging role and allow us to observe the behavior changes that result.

Shout out to the representatives on CSM X, especially Sort Dragon, who brought up this as a topic of discussion at the recent summit. The CSM 11 election is ongoing right now, and if you haven't voted yet I strongly encourage you to go ahead and do so right here.

Let us know what you think about this Black Ops change in this thread. Thanks!

if anything instead of improving the reduction the reduction should be reduced even further. nobody wants to fight unwinable blobs.

everybody playing this game. wants GOOD, FUN fights. not fights that are 1 sided. those are not enjoyable and take away from playing.

Speak for yourself. There is no such thing as a good fight, just fights in which one person has no choice not to fight.

well. things must be hard times in your area of eve. but in our area. people enjoy good old 15v15.


besides if no fight in eve is a "good fight" why does everybody say gf after somebody explodes?

CCP needs to choose from this list, since most requests pours into these :

1- add covert ops cloak.
2- T2 resist.
2- more jump range.
3- less consumed fuel.
4- more fire power.
5- D-scan immunity.
6- hull bonus to EWAR.

Mix and match CCP

CCP needs to choose from this list, since most requests pours into these :

1- add covert ops cloak.
2- T2 resist.
2- more jump range.
3- less consumed fuel.
4- more fire power.
5- D-scan immunity.
6- hull bonus to EWAR.

Mix and match CCP

Cool deal now give them Dscan Immunity. So they can do work with both Force Recons and Combat Recons.

Fix blops.
1.Add covert cloak and remove speed and mobility bonus.
2.Convert sin, redeemer and panther to ewar battleships like the widow.
3.Remove all Jump fatigue reductions.

Sin can sport an impressive amount of neuts and damage at the same time. Neuts remain one of the best types of EWAR.

For someone who doesn't understand much about blops, neuts aren't EWAR here a guide it might help you.

And as I stated in previous post, any blop try to do hit and run without neut is dead blop. any Ratting carriers and marauder worth his salt can tank your blop pathetic dps and that is why bridging cheap bombers to rain havoc on target is much feasible than doing in blops. they can outdps the ratting target with not single neut been done. On the other hand you can't bring that number of blops to do same. You either work solo or in small gank but you ALWAYS have to bring neuts. Therefore mandatory neuts is considered a bad design that is why people proposing suggestions.

CCP is trying to make titans usable other than bridging fleets, that is why they are adding all these cool DDs and new mods, I don't see harm doing same to blops.

Also just for the record the list I made wasn't proposed by me, I was summing community proposals ...idiot...

Please post with your main. I don't think you realize how much I have used blops, it doesn't really look on the surface like you have much at all.

Neuts are defacto, pseudo, or effectively a type of EWAR.

You would not want to waste mids on a Panther to target paint, nor would you want to waste mids on a Sin to sensor dampen. Tracking disrupting Redeemers? Yeah, sorry that is just daffy. One of the biggest issues with the widow is that it has issues trying to be a falcon at the same time as other things.

Blops BS just need a few tweaks to make them functionally less clunky than their smaller cousins. Heck, if you could jump yourself AND your gang like a command destroyer at the same time, it would be helpful too.

Ready for more changes to the blood, side of things. make them great again with less fatigue, immunity to d, and more DPs. They already cost a ton.

I really want to know how you guys are flying these things that you feel they need a buff

They have a job they do it well and they don't step on each others toes

Just look at the killboards for a good laugh. 99% of the people flying Black Ops are dumb **** terrible at it.
A friend of mine joined "Did he say Jump" a while ago and he told me what restrictions they set on Black Ops fittings. I told him to leave that steaming pile of **** right away, all while laughing my ass off so hard that it really hurt.

I really want to know how you guys are flying these things that you feel they need a buff

They have a job they do it well and they don't step on each others toes

The buffs that I proposed are not buffs to BlOps role, but removing the pain points of BlOps. Right now it is VERY difficult to get a solid fit without resorting to faction and deadspace fits. The other changes are for the Widow to become a DPS boat, the Sin to be focused on a single weapon system, and to make the ship bonuses more useful. You're right: they absolutely do their role and do it well. BlOps don't need much. They only need to have their big frustrations and pain points removed/reduced.

but there is nothing wrong with the widows ECM bonus and it already gets one of the highest DPS outputs of the blops line. the ecm bonus is best used by not making the widow a full ECM platform but just adding 1-2 ecm mods

the sin having a blaster and drone bonus is also good for balance. It lets the ship immidietly get half of its DPS on targets once it lands w/o needing to lock but to get the rest of it they need to chose between taking a lock penalty do to having a cloak or take advantage of their higher than adv sensors by going w/o one.


as for the fitting i suppose that could be changed but i have never found an issue mostly because i almost always faction and deadspace fit these ships in order to give them the best chance of coming home

the speed bonus of the panther is probbably one of the better ones a blops can have so idk why you want that changed

as for the sins agility it has become very useful now that fatigue is a thing if you don't want to cyno back you will be the first blops home. In a fight it can help you gtfo if you see things are about to go **** up. Now while im not a fan of bonuses designed to help you run it does fit in with the role of blops

Idk how you are getting your drones to agress without the target agressing you...

Assign drones to the HK and have him cycle an aggressive module.

Ships should have roles. Those roles should mesh to make an effective fleet. If you have a single ship that can do multiple roles rather well then you negate another ship who's roles has been take. BlOps BS should be the biggest damage dealers, EWAR should come from Recons, and low SP/low cost DPS should come from the bombers/SoE ships. The Widow makes bridging EWAR along pretty useless because the Widow does DPS and EWAR effectively. Getting the roles right and making sure that ships don't overstep their boundaries is important for balancing risk and reward. That's why the Widow should lose the ECM bonus and become a damage boat. If you want EWAR bridge a recon, or a few, along.

Idk how you are getting your drones to agress without the target agressing you... Focusing the Sin would just make it easier to fit, as you only need damage/tracking mods for one weapon system, and easier to use without feeling like a bonus has been wasted. Pain point removed.

While I understand that the agility and velocity bonuses are useful, MJDs > velocity and agility bonus for getting out of a bad situation. When things go south the first thing you do is either warp away if you are aligned or MJD away if you aren't. MJD + cloaked velocity bonus virtually guarantees that you will get away. It's one of the only cases where a ship mod is more useful than a ship bonus.

Essentially every time I suggest removing the agility and velocity bonuses people go "But those bonuses are so useful!" without really considering what else that bonus could be replaced with. Take a minute and think about other potentially useful bonuses that could fill that slot (tracking, MJD cycle time, etc.) I agree that they do add flavor so we could advocate for CCP to roll them into the base stats of the ship, like they did with HACs, and replace the bonus.

I'm sure this will make a lot of Black Ops pilots happy even if they're among the least impeded jump capable ships as-is.

Not sure why so many want covops on a black ops ship. I mean it would be cool, but also potentially ridiculously broken. If you really must feel sneaky in a blops, why not ask for d-scan immunity?