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Lunarra
Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:34:00 -
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Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
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killerco
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
/SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:42:00 -
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if you really think that all this is just about the bpos then you are very naive ___________________________________
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 09:40:30 Though I'm on the side of BOB I must say this was needed. I find it sad people cry foul play none stop instead of just playing the game. One person took advantage of his powers and has been punished, end of story.
I have never seen someone who murdered someone have his family and friends pay for his wrong doing, so why should they ingame?
Also BOB numbers have only been going up so no one is leaving yet =) ----------
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:44:00 -
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I have no idea how often it was repeated that it is not only about some mediocre BPO's. It is about that AND the stuff that was not revealed, because most do not believe this is everything.
Add on top of this that the person designing the tournament rules happened to be in TAOSP(lemonde) and the many "strange things" that are happening when BoB turns up somewhere.
Starting with dianabolic being able to identify alts and apparently have access to account names over to molle posting RL info of people on these boards and not getting banned/warned or anything. Add to this the superior knowledge about certain exploits, wich is suspected to be fed them by devs and so on.. the list is VERY long and while surely not everythign of this is true i think the people hunting said witch sure do have their points.
Stop the "stop the witchhunt" posts, because only HARSH consequences for revealed exploits/favourism are able to avoid such things in the future.
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Riddari
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:45:00 -
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Its not about the 10 bpos.
It is about all the insider information they have received, information on features who hadn't been disclosed to the community at large, it is about convenient forum occurences etc etc.
Looking at the Red (RAGOON+friends) vs Blue (BOB+vassals) though I do see Red having more Devs in their alliances. The question is of course, what kind of devs are in each camp... feeders or players.
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Grissem
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:45:00 -
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It will blow over in time and eventually be forgotten. But you have to remember that this is a fairly recent revelation for a big part of the eve community and for a large portion it leaves a very bitter taste behind it.
Unfortunately there's no easy way to decipher how much if at all that Bob benefitted from the cheating of a DEV.
As CCP have said there's no way other than to roll back Tranquility to versions prior to the drops of these BPO's to fix it entirely (and this is not going to happen and I doubt that most of the community would want it rolled back that far as people have accheieved great things since this point)
I do in some way feel sorry for a lot of Bob players as they will just be branded as cheaters no matter what they do from now on. But in time it will blow over and the more mature eve players will be able to look past it. --------- ROA till i die.......or they find someone better |
Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:45:00 -
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Is a witch hunt a bad thing when there are actually witches around?
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Klaus Stoertebeker
Riders of Rohan
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Klaus Stoertebeker on 12/02/2007 09:42:24
Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
easy mind....sorry, but its not just the bpo's...there are a lot of other reasons for all the people, eg. targeting and killing people under a pos forcefield by using passive targeters for the time the majority didnt know about it...thats your lovely bob, open your eyes and see the truth about those "fine people".
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Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:47:00 -
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*click
locked - flamebait and is discussing out of game events in a in-game only section - hutch. - Thanks Hutch.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Foopadoo *click
locked - flamebait and is discussing out of game events in a in-game only section - hutch. - Thanks Hutch.
I just hope this was a joke and not your character =(
poor hutch..
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Crucifier
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Foopadoo *click
locked - flamebait and is discussing out of game events in a in-game only section - hutch. - Thanks Hutch.
HAHA ------
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Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
Originally by: Foopadoo *click
locked - flamebait and is discussing out of game events in a in-game only section - hutch. - Thanks Hutch.
I just hope this was a joke and not your character =(
poor hutch..
Posted in another thread about the exact same subject that was locked seconds ago, just predicting the same thing happens here
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Crucifier
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Klaus Stoertebeker Edited by: Klaus Stoertebeker on 12/02/2007 09:42:24
Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
easy mind....sorry, but its not just the bpo's...there are a lot of other reasons for all the people, eg. targeting and killing people under a pos forcefield by using passive targeters for the time the majority didnt know about it...thats your lovely bob, open your eyes and see the truth about those "fine people".
Exacly ------
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:58:00 -
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Yea its getting a bit annoying this and really tarnishing what looks to be a pretty sweet fight down there.
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Mauxir
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:00:00 -
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The BPOs are just the tip of the iceberg. God knows what else happened there, we may never know. I honestly don't believe that t20 would have jeopardized his work for a few crappy BPOs.
But the crux of the matter is that no matter if BoB cheated all the way or just half the way, this big stain envelopes everything they have done. If you don't like it... well tough.
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David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:01:00 -
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BoB has also been rubbing it in everyone's face that they are the more professional PvP corporation for months and months. I'm not disputing that they are (they are clearly the best run major alliance in the game), but they talk an awful lot of smack and gloat a great deal. They have vehemently denied any assertions of misconduct, flaming anyone who even suggested it for being weak, stupid, and not up to par with them, and while there is no official CCP "proof" at the moment, it's more than likely that the same people doing the denying knew the truth. It's sort of reassuring to know that our friends in BoB may not be as perfect as some might claim, and sometimes rubbing their faces in it is a bit cathartic.
Anything to win, after all.
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Lunarra
Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:02:00 -
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You missing my point. I'm not saying there was no abuses from a few maybe, and i spoke about BPOs has i could have mentioned something else! God people just think a bit with your brains!
Corruption is seen IN ALL GAMES! Not only EVE! If you never thought that it might occure in EVE you are very naive indeed!
I'm just surprised that everyone is so surprised and upset or whatever over it! As long there are pple making the game, there will be pple cheating the game (ANY GAME).... NOTHING rocket science or new for that matter!
So you came make peace with it, or you can flame winge or lose your precious time moaning instead of fighting....
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:03:00 -
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Reminds me of a movie I saw long time ago, comedy it was...
There's a guy who's a total party animal, I mean P-I-G for parties... So he's being persued by a baying mob out for his blood, they've had all they can take, and the guy is trapped so climbs a monument or something in the centre of town.
Momentarily the crowd is stilled, he gives a little speech, culminating with "I am not an animal..." in Shakespearean toneage...
Someone in the crowd suddendly point up at the partying pig and shouts "BULLS**T THATS AN ANIMAL!!1!" and so the spell is broken and the baying mob continue as before!
To the OP, get the hell down off that monument and get ready for a roasing you damned animal
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
TBH the bpos are just something simple and concrete that everyone can understand. It's not about that.
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Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra You missing my point. I'm not saying there was no abuses from a few maybe, and i spoke about BPOs has i could have mentioned something else! God people just think a bit with your brains!
Corruption is seen IN ALL GAMES! Not only EVE! If you never thought that it might occure in EVE you are very naive indeed!
I'm just surprised that everyone is so surprised and upset or whatever over it! As long there are pple making the game, there will be pple cheating the game (ANY GAME).... NOTHING rocket science or new for that matter!
So you came make peace with it, or you can flame winge or lose your precious time moaning instead of fighting....
Ohhhh wait it happens in other games? Well then it must be ok! Carry on then!
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Mauxir
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra You missing my point. I'm not saying there was no abuses from a few maybe, and i spoke about BPOs has i could have mentioned something else! God people just think a bit with your brains!
Corruption is seen IN ALL GAMES! Not only EVE! If you never thought that it might occure in EVE you are very naive indeed!
I'm just surprised that everyone is so surprised and upset or whatever over it! As long there are pple making the game, there will be pple cheating the game (ANY GAME).... NOTHING rocket science or new for that matter!
So you came make peace with it, or you can flame winge or lose your precious time moaning instead of fighting....
You just dont get it do you? Its not the fact the the regular Joe Schmoe tried to cheat it was a freakin DEV! And when the rest of the DEVs found out they covered it up. And we would have never known about it and they wouldnt have done **** about it if it werent for a hacker. It took a hacker to make CCP fess up. Pathetic.
Not only that but they enforce EULA on a whim. For some people revealing RL names is perma ban and for others its nothing.
If you wanna roll over and get it in the ass by the people you pay money to for playing their product be my guest just dont expect everyone else to follow suit.
You with me so far?
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 12/02/2007 10:09:23 This is not about bpo's. This is about RKK and in extension of this BOB playing with an inside line into CCP and knowingly sharing intel with them that none of us else had access to.
And to be honest, the biggest victims of this is the rest of us and particularly the bob players who played fair and hard to win eve only to have it tarnished by this.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/02/2007 10:11:57
Originally by: pershphanie
TBH the bpos are just something simple and concrete that everyone can understand. It's not about that.
QFT.
Anybody that believes that this is solely about some minor bpo's is living in denial.
What has happened here has attacked the very point of playing EVE at all.
Its very serious... as far as games go. And it seems neither BoB nor CCP are willing to be punished for this properly. And having T20 fired.. is simply not good enough.
This witchhunt for once... is completely and 100% justified. Because if we the players can't be angry about this, then we are wasting our time and are just credit card drones for CCP.
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capt robn0id2
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:15:00 -
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It appears attempts to stop the witchhunt have merely provided it with a new thread to fester in.
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ione Hunt on 12/02/2007 10:15:09 Over a year ago I had respect for BoB because they seemed to be the most lean mean fighting machine. That respect has mostly gone down the drain because of the shooting people within POS shields, PVP tournament, the HEAVY increase of smack during fights compared to a year ago, Molle/Diana knowing stuff they shouldn't know, etc.
The thing with the T2 BPOs sucks monkey balls, but it's not on top (or even near the top) on my "why I think BoB aren't the lean mean fighting machine they were a year ago" list. Yes they have a lot of very good PVP'ers I respect a lot, but if you're supporting leaders who destroy the image of being a "bad boy harcore PVP alliance" by taking things too far, then you will lose respect.
I don't accuse ALL of BoB's members, a lot of you have put a lot of time and effort in building that alliance...but I don't see you getting back your old glorious image. Pretty sad imo
@OP: It shocked ppl because they had an image of BoB as the "best" PVP force who lives ONLY for pure PVP with fair fights and a "GF" in local. If you had asked me if I think BoB cheats a year ago, I would have said NO. Guess things change...
Quote: Corruption is seen IN ALL GAMES! Not only EVE! If you never thought that it might occure in EVE you are very naive indeed!
Does that make it better? "Oh yeah, it's normal...so let's accept it as being OK." _______________
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:17:00 -
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EVE-Online.de had intel about peoples IP adresses fed to BoB so they could identify alts and spies.
DB Preacher allegedly gets hold of an account through out of game currency... Of course this is denied and DB Preacher claims the evidence gathered from a log which leaked by a bob-member is fabricated.
From the same Intel was leaked by some bob-member and reposted on a closed intel board. Some info about t20's doings with BoB was revealed. He resigned and rejoined with another char, both which the high-ups in dev knew about. One of the BoB guys were even offered a jobposition with CCP and given an @cppgames.com address). When t20 resigned his player-char he left behind a good deal of t2 bpo's (out of the goodness of his heart). Many which were proven illgotten.
Somehow the same intel which DB Preacher claimed to be fabricated, revealed all of this. Sir Molle posted Kugu's (the one who recieved the leaked bob-board database dump) personal info on eve-o forums and encouraged people to call his job to have him fired. Some mods removed that info but it was up long enough for people to start calling Kugu's employer.
From this database-dump which was posted on a closed intel-board run by Kugu some portions were leaked to eve-o forums. Eventually some personal info of t20 (the cheating dev) was re-posted on eve-o forums. Kugu's eve accounts got banned due to the personal info leaking onto eve-o. However, Sir Molle who posted directly to eve-o forums remain in-game without any slap on the wrist.
On goes the battle between BoB followers, many who are close to CCP says "Kugu's a hacker, he deserves to be banned.". Totally overlooking the fact that MANY high-ups in BoB remain unpunished for account-sharing for cynonet(claims t20 never knew about this, although he was leader of their capital-ship fleet and had an active account on the bob-boards where this cynonet info was posted), account-transfers by RL-money (of course cannot be proven cause appearently the bob board info is fabricated... how the heck could t20 be proven to have given bpo's then?). EVE-Online.de admins remain unpunished (no official statement yet, just "internal investigation") for gathering intel about peoples IP's and connecting them to their alts and mains.
I dont say it was right of Kugu to post who t20 were on the closed intel board, but this info was public info before it got posted. BoB leaders knew about it, and t20 himself posted the info on their boards.
Of course... all intel from BoB boards are fabricated, according to DB preacher... so appearently the info about the dev must be fabricated too? ;)
What a mess this whole history has turned out to be..
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dawn Princess on 12/02/2007 10:25:28
Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Respect? Where were your cries of stop the witch hunt and calls for mutual respect when guys like Cyvok and McCready were being almost hounded out of the game by the mob mentality stirred up by BoB? Exactly.
As for numbers, at the end of the ASCN war BoB had reached 1852 pilots, its now over 1900 so not sure what you mean about people leaving.
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Tetsujin
Caldari Band of Brosefs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy?
Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull!
Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community!
Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games"
We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT.
Lets all enjoy the fight!
They are guilty of more than just corruption bud.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ander Edited by: Ander on 12/02/2007 10:22:03 EVE-Online.de had intel about peoples IP adresses fed to BoB so they could identify alts and spies.
ACtually , that was D2. But every website log ip adresses and how do you combat hackers without looking at those? you'll never jump alone
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