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Varbind	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:42:00 - [121] Edited by: Varbind on 12/02/2007 13:39:42 So to sum up those disagreeing with the post: CCP did the responsible thing, investigated the issue, and found some wrong doing. They reported the wrong doing to the community. The communities response? Since there was some cheating, therefore it follows that all allegations are true. How does logic like this fly? How do you not see the fallacy of this argument? Typical emo forum warrior of the day!!!!! Ander: BOB hacked eve online forums!!!! Fact rears its ugly head. It was actually D2 Ander: Opps ok it wasn't BOB, but BOB still sucks! This gets so tiresome. Until new facts have been brought to light, STFU already.
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:42:00 - [122] Edited by: TrippyX on 12/02/2007 13:38:31 damned settings.. two above here = me.. if you didn't already get that.. ____________________ I ♥ [TSYND]
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:53:00 - [123] Edited by: Liet Traep on 12/02/2007 13:51:24 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Liet Traep [ Personally I think BoB got off lightly. Sir Molle gave out a players RL info. That should be a permaban right there. So why aren't you calling for The Mittani to be banned? Because GoonSwarm is your ally? He did exactly the same. I wasn't aware of it. Ban him also. I think The Mittani is more likely to be banned than Sir Molle though. I think there is a clear bias towards BoB in this game. All of their accomplishments are now tainted for me. I'll never know how much of what they achieved they earned or how much were given to them because they had devs playing in their alliance and at least one of them admitted to cheating.
Zantazar Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:54:00 - [124] How about the usual multidude of posts by BOB members in this thread, (as they have historically done in all other threads that even mention the name bob) with their views and opinions. I am sure that they would like to state that they as an alliance held no unfair advantage, and can be accused of no wrong doing. I would just like to read the usual 20 posts from each of the select group of their forum posters to verify their stance. They are reading this, of course they are. Come on boys and girls ... smack me down. A post by a dev would be interesting too, one that is preferably independent of BOB (ahem). I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:55:00 - [125] You can't fault BoB's determination and comradery. They earnt pretty much everything they succeeded in accomplishing. If we're being honest this whole dev scandal thing is just a bunch of tabloid like sensationailized crud. Everyone likes a good scandal aye? Not this bunny, I think this is where the lines between game and something to be taken seriously have become blurred. Then again I guess our hard earned cash is involved in a detached sense. Still, its not that big a deal as far as I'm concerned. My real gripe is that some of them think "Treat others as you'd like to be treated" doesn't apply because they're playing a computer game. I guess every entity can be accussed of this though aye?
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:57:00 - [126] Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 12/02/2007 13:51:24 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Liet Traep [ Personally I think BoB got off lightly. Sir Molle gave out a players RL info. That should be a permaban right there. So why aren't you calling for The Mittani to be banned? Because GoonSwarm is your ally? He did exactly the same. I wasn't aware of it. Ban him also. I think The Mittani is more likely to be banned than Sir Molle though. I think there is a clear bias towards BoB in this game. All of their accomplishments are now tainted for me. I'll never know how much of what they achieved they earned or how much were given to them because they had devs playing in their alliance and at least one of them admitted to cheating. Atleast you're somewhat honest ;)
thoradh AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:00:00 - [127] Originally by: MuthaTrucka Fact BoB has been accused in the past of insider Developer Help Fact BoB has Consistently and vehemently denied these Accusations Fact BoB has been outed for a single instance of Developer Help and Proven to have Active Developers in it's Upper leadership Facts are indeed stubborn things. If the shoe were on the other foot, so to speak, then I'd expect posts from the BoB camp along the lines of: Would a hug help? We are uber, and even with insider cheats help you cannot win. You suck at EVE and it must suck to be you. etc etc etc... Now I'm not saying that all of BoB are the same. Blacklight and j0 have been most always a pleasure to read, and on occasion there have been others in the BoB camp who can be entertaining, instructive and add to the colour of CAOD. However, I admit that most of the time I simply scroll past most BoB posts, as I've become less and less capable of ignoring the offensive nature of what passes for political commentary. The OP used 'witch hunt' in the title, a term which for me conjures up medeival injustice, backwardness, intolerance and blind mob fear. Well, I'd not agree that the OP has read the humour of EVE subscribers very accurately. If anything I'd label the post 'Please be respectful to all in EVE' and of course that would be for me impossible to disagree with. What is happening is entirely positive, where the playerbase has undertaken a crusade of sorts to rid EVE of cheating. If this means that BoB and their supporters are feeling hard done by, or afraid of where this might lead, or want to protect their interests, then all I can ask is that we DO remain respectful, after all it IS just a game...right? Don't take it so seriously! Now I'd also like to ask why is it that the membership of BoB (and their friends and allies) have not left BoB en masse and distanced themselves from the cheating that has been uncovered? If you believe in fair play, and an even playing field for all, why not do the decent thing and assist the community to rid EVE of the stain that cheating has left behind? If all you can do is plead that BoB are being unfairly treated I'd suggest you make another attempt to get us on your side. This topic dos'ent get anywhere near achieving that result. > > Noli illegitimi carborundum! >

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:11:00 - [128] This post is in CAOD. That means no alt posting. AS you can see from my cleanup several posters have a hard time following that rule. If you want to post in this forum, follow the rules please. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:22:00 - [129] The community is angry. Those in BOB that were knowingly cheating have let down all of the people in BOB. All their hardwork and dedication has been **ed away. No matter how angry people are, those in BOB who just been ** on from a height by those few cheaters better be even more angry. You are all being labelled cheaters coz of a few peoples actions. One almost hopes those that knew sold their alliance down the river for a lot more than a few BPOs. Let this lesson sink in for all concerned, the community does not like what has happened.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:27:00 - [130] Originally by: welsh wizard You can't fault BoB's determination and comradery. They earnt pretty much everything they succeeded in accomplishing. If we're being honest this whole dev scandal thing is just a bunch of tabloid like sensationailized crud. Everyone likes a good scandal aye? Not this bunny, I think this is where the lines between game and something to be taken seriously have become blurred. Then again I guess our hard earned cash is involved in a detached sense. Still, its not that big a deal as far as I'm concerned. My real gripe is that some of them think "Treat others as you'd like to be treated" doesn't apply because they're playing a computer game. I guess every entity can be accussed of this though aye? My respect for you has just doubled.
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:36:00 - [131] well who'd have thought.. ppl actually speaking in favor of BoB :) well i have to agree altho' must ppl prolly agree that the whole t20 incident is a big issue, im sure any1 with half a brain, and who have actually read all the details of what went down and what ccp has done, know that this issue is now being fully and utterly exploited by the enemies of BoB in an attempt to weaken them. Quit it alrdy and spare us from any further lamess posts about them all being devs and all their success being due to a few rather insignificant bpo's and the odd infos from the dev in question. you may call me naive if u wish, but right back at ya if u actually believe that bull. Im no particular fan of BoB (even if we do seem to be aligned atm) but this is just getting ridiculous. And _think_ my silly little friends. What would happen if BoB disbanded.. all members would prolly go to anti RAGOON blocks anyway, so u'll still be fighting the same ppl. so stop being *s, screw ur heads back on, grow some proper balls and fight BoB head on rather than these moan tactics. cheers. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.**
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:39:00 - [132] Originally by: Tiuwaz if you really think that all this is just about the bpos then you are very naive I am so /signed - BH
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:43:00 - [133] Quote: fully and utterly exploited by the enemies of BoB in an attempt to weaken them. Something BOB are experts at I might add. The thing that bugs me the most are the endless posts I've had to read from BOB preaching conduct and ethics to other alliances they fought (ASCN internal forums come to mind) while in the end, BOB is caught with their*****s in their hands.
Varbind Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:45:00 - [134] You ever ask yourself why do politicians try and cover up scandals? Because if they do the right thing, and the people are not willing to hear it, then it does them no good anyway. Listen, CCP investigated this issue and gave you a report. Simply because there was some wrong doings, does not mean that all of these wild allegations are now suddenly true. What do we know? BOB had access to some BPO's it shouldnt have. Did this give them an advantage? Yes. Would they be where they are today without it. IMHO yes. If you disagree then great I will discuss that with you. That would be a rational discussion, and a worthwhile one. However what annoys me in when people just ASSUME that since BOB got those BPO's then there must have been rampant cheating. You are all engaged in an orgy of conspiracy theories and I for one am sick of watching you guys get off on wild speculation. There is no proof guys. Until new information comes out, please STFU about this. Varbind
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:50:00 - [135] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Something BOB are experts at I might add. The thing that bugs me the most are the endless posts I've had to read from BOB preaching conduct and ethics to other alliances they fought (ASCN internal forums come to mind) while in the end, BOB is caught with their***s in their hands. so once again the entire alliance gets labelled for the misconduct of one person or a select few.. pray no1 in ur corp or alliance, or any sport of affiliation, ever does anything out of line.. cause that would mean u r exactly the same - by ur logic. god.. the middleages have taken hold of eve... think ppl think... resist the urge to moan and use ur darwin given brains.. for the love of god.. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.**
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:52:00 - [136] Originally by: Dekiri . Add on top of this that the person designing the tournament rules happened to be in TAOSP(lemonde) and the many "strange things" that are happening when BoB turns up somewhere. is that a joke?, lemonde is in BOB?. d solo. celes apoc new kilboard
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:01:00 - [137] Edited by: elohllird on 12/02/2007 14:57:27 Originally by: welsh wizard You can't fault BoB's determination and comradery. They earnt pretty much everything they succeeded in accomplishing. If we're being honest this whole dev scandal thing is just a bunch of tabloid like sensationailized crud. Everyone likes a good scandal aye? Not this bunny, I think this is where the lines between game and something to be taken seriously have become blurred. Then again I guess our hard earned cash is involved in a detached sense. Still, its not that big a deal as far as I'm concerned. My real gripe is that some of them think "Treat others as you'd like to be treated" doesn't apply because they're playing a computer game. I guess every entity can be accussed of this though aye? QFT, Respect m8.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:04:00 - [138] I actually do have a lot of sympathy for BoB. It's an awful thing when people undertake a 'moral crusade' to persecute your alliance for something that happened outside of the game, particularly when the cassus belli was discovered in a private section of your own forums and the wrongdoing was committed only by one member out of thousands. It really sucks to have that wrongdoing attributed to your whole alliance, and then have the rest of the galaxy come after you in one big bandwagon, all the while beating their chests about how they are morally correct and how you are bad people who should quit the game. Oh wait. The witchhunt will continue until there's nothing left but ashes.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:06:00 - [139] There is OBVIOUSLY something wrong with BoB and their affairs, I don't get it why people are still nay-saying... Just don't have the balls to say that their masters or "friends" are wrong I guess. - BH
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:07:00 - [140] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Dekiri . Add on top of this that the person designing the tournament rules happened to be in TAOSP(lemonde) and the many "strange things" that are happening when BoB turns up somewhere. is that a joke?, lemonde is in BOB?. d solo. They have decided that Vegeta (an icelandic PvPer who was 15 when hewas in m0o) is Lemonde.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:08:00 - [141] Originally by: The Mittani I actually do have a lot of sympathy for BoB. It's an awful thing when people undertake a 'moral crusade' to persecute your alliance for something that happened outside of the game, particularly when the cassus belli was discovered in a private section of your own forums and the wrongdoing was committed only by one member out of thousands. It really sucks to have that wrongdoing attributed to your whole alliance, and then have the rest of the galaxy come after you in one big bandwagon, all the while beating their chests about how they are morally correct and how you are bad people who should quit the game. Oh wait. The witchhunt will continue until there's nothing left but ashes. The difference is, when BoB had beef with you, they took it ingame. When you had beef with BoB, you gave interviews to outside news sources that will cause HUGE HUGE damage to Eve and may even threaten its future, all because of some 'meta-gaming' concept you are so inlove with.
Simon Jax Gallente Freedom Guard	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:11:00 - [142] If the CEO of an international corporation is caught insider trading, even the mail clerks are negatively affected by it. Stock prices plummet, and people start getting laid off. If the Principal of my school is caught doctoring test scores, then every student suffers as they must re-take the test to prove they get the score they earned. If my local mayor **es off the mayors of adjacent cities, the backlash affects every constituent. EVE is metagaming at its finest. The undisputed fact is that the highest ranking people in the BoB alliance were caught cheating. The well documented, but as yet unproven, tin foil hat theories play into the reactions, but the fact of the matter is that the CEO/Principal/Mayoral level of BoB has cheated. They have traded insider information, doctored their abilities through ill-begotten tech, and royally **ed off other major powers in the game. Every member of BoB will get caught in the fallout, because that is simply the way things work. It is not a which hunt, it is the reaction that BoB leadership has forced upon all pilots that answer to them. So donÆt dare sit within BoB, point the finger outward and cry ôunjustö because the little guy is hurt by this. Look to your own leadership, those who brought this down upon your heads, buckle down and defend your space. Because at the end of the day, this is just a game, and this æwarÆ is going to be downright fun! --Wherever you go, there you are.
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:11:00 - [143] Edited by: Poolpy on 12/02/2007 15:08:31 ... nm
Centurin Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:18:00 - [144] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: The Mittani I actually do have a lot of sympathy for BoB. It's an awful thing when people undertake a 'moral crusade' to persecute your alliance for something that happened outside of the game, particularly when the cassus belli was discovered in a private section of your own forums and the wrongdoing was committed only by one member out of thousands. It really sucks to have that wrongdoing attributed to your whole alliance, and then have the rest of the galaxy come after you in one big bandwagon, all the while beating their chests about how they are morally correct and how you are bad people who should quit the game. Oh wait. The witchhunt will continue until there's nothing left but ashes. The difference is, when BoB had beef with you, they took it ingame. With Dev support of course. How "honorable" of them. ----------------------------------------------- "It's great playing Caldari Online, isn't it?" by Xori Ruscuv
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:18:00 - [145] Edited by: Calenth on 12/02/2007 15:16:18 Originally by: Bellon The difference is, when BoB had beef with you, they took it ingame. When you had beef with BoB, you gave interviews to outside news sources that will cause HUGE HUGE damage to Eve and may even threaten its future, all because of some 'meta-gaming' concept you are so inlove with. Oh, I get it. The real evil-doers here are those dastardly whistleblowers who exposed the cheaters! Cheating doesn't hurt the game unless the cheaters are caught! It's really pathetic to watch people try to spin and justify all this. I think the moral-equivalency arguments are the worst ("What BoB did is dandy because Goonfleet kicked a puppy once! See, Over There! Goons! Look over there at the goons, not at us!")
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:19:00 - [146] Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy? Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull! Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community! Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games" We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT. Lets all enjoy the fight! BoB are cheaters, at least sirmolle galavet, dianabolic etc etc are. So quit with the fanboy attitude....
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:19:00 - [147] Originally by: Bellon When you had beef with BoB, you gave interviews to outside news sources that will cause HUGE HUGE damage to Eve and may even threaten its future, all because of some 'meta-gaming' concept you are so inlove with. I've been giving interviews? I seem to be dealing with my beef with BoD by negotiating for months with our friends on the other side of the aisle (Nevvyn is my e-bff, don't deny it) to arrange a mutual defense pact that would trigger the moment BoD attacked either us or D2. The fact that the triggering just so happened to coincide with CCP making several startling and controversial admissions, which I confess is quite convenient and serves my ends well, is but a happy accident. I would never lie to you, Bellon.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Calenth Edited by: Calenth on 12/02/2007 15:16:18 Originally by: Bellon The difference is, when BoB had beef with you, they took it ingame. When you had beef with BoB, you gave interviews to outside news sources that will cause HUGE HUGE damage to Eve and may even threaten its future, all because of some 'meta-gaming' concept you are so inlove with. Oh, I get it. The real evil-doers here are those dastardly whistleblowers who exposed the cheaters! Cheating doesn't hurt the game unless the cheaters are caught! It's really pathetic to watch people try to spin and justify all this. I think the moral-equivalency arguments are the worst ("What BoB did is dandy because Goonfleet kicked a puppy once! See, Over There! Goons! Look over there at the goons, not at us!") You didnt do this for Eve. you did it for Goonfleet.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:26:00 - [149] frankly i think those who have been pointing fingers and judging an entire alliance on the basis of 1 member have been acting like jealous children. Not only this, but from now on, any sore loser or nutcase can come on the forums, claim bob hacked or w/e(perhaps after losing a fight to them), and there will be people that believe him/her, regardless of the baseless nature or outrageousness of the charge. It's sad really.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:27:00 - [150] Originally by: Prydeless Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy? Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull! Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community! Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games" We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT. Lets all enjoy the fight! BoB are cheaters, at least sirmolle galavet, dianabolic etc etc are. So quit with the fanboy attitude.... Proof or STFU.

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