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Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Lunarra NOTHING rocket science or new for that matter! Hey, congrats for insinuating people who are unhappy about this are stupid. To me it seems that you're the one that 'doesn't quite get it'...
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/02/2007 10:11:57 Originally by: pershphanie TBH the bpos are just something simple and concrete that everyone can understand. It's not about that. QFT. Anybody that believes that this is solely about some minor bpo's is living in denial. What has happened here has attacked the very point of playing EVE at all. Its very serious... as far as games go. And it seems neither BoB nor CCP are willing to be punished for this properly. And <not?> having T20 fired.. is simply not good enough. This witchhunt for once... is completely and 100% justified. Because if we the players can't be angry about this, then we are wasting our time and are just credit card drones for CCP. Did someone ** in your weeties Nez? Last year, you'd made quite a few logical/interesting posts. Since the caper with ISS though, you've been frothing at the mouth for the death of various entities (primarily ISS and now BoB). Did Butter dog get to you? . Is this BoBs only indiscretion: Nuppers. Overall, did these give them -some- unfair advantage? Undoubtedly. Did most (in BoB) know? I would guess not. But... would they have won without it?**, I'd say so. They still had to wage all their wars. Short of having "polaris frig gm leethax", they still had to win their fleets. Kill them for being the most powerful atm, but don't kid yourselves that other alliances haven't benefitted from such acts. And many others are known for making their own 'magic', if you will. Funny how thats all forgotten once the stations change hands? gf to all, for me, ill be back on a side soon Will you, Nez? Or is that fence fully furnished nowadays?
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Ander Edited by: Ander on 12/02/2007 10:22:03 EVE-Online.de had intel about peoples IP adresses fed to BoB so they could identify alts and spies. ACtually , that was D2. But every website log ip adresses and how do you combat hackers without looking at those? If it was D2, then My fault. Anyway, the point being is that they connected Forum names with IP's for a certain reason. It wasnt the usual monitoring of IPs in apache logs, it was connecting IP to username and crossmatching them to find which IP had which characters. Also, another point being that the domain was registered on CCP making it look like an official german subsection of EVE-Online website.. although appearently it is fan-run. EVE Online - Pirates
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:50:00 - [34] Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. Max --------------------
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:53:00 - [35] what was the goon hack? something about char portraits?
Kyra Azor Silver Train	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:58:00 - [36] The problem isn't the bpos. This is the problem: Quote: dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/02/2007 10:11:57 Originally by: pershphanie TBH the bpos are just something simple and concrete that everyone can understand. It's not about that. QFT. Anybody that believes that this is solely about some minor bpo's is living in denial. What has happened here has attacked the very point of playing EVE at all. Its very serious... as far as games go. And it seems neither BoB nor CCP are willing to be punished for this properly. And <not?> having T20 fired.. is simply not good enough. This witchhunt for once... is completely and 100% justified. Because if we the players can't be angry about this, then we are wasting our time and are just credit card drones for CCP. Did someone ** in your weeties Nez? Last year, you'd made quite a few logical/interesting posts. Since the caper with ISS though, you've been frothing at the mouth for the death of various entities (primarily ISS and now BoB). Did Butter dog get to you? . So he presents his opinion on the situation and you respond with a personal attack. Maybe you shouldn't be the one critiquing here. Originally by:** Unbeliever Kresmoreen Is this BoBs only indiscretion: Nuppers. Overall, did these give them -some- unfair advantage? Undoubtedly. Did most (in BoB) know? I would guess not. But... would they have won without it?, I'd say so. They still had to wage all their wars. Short of having "polaris frig gm leethax", they still had to win their fleets. But how do you really know that? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldnt. I find it likely that BoB benefited from GM game knowledge that most of us did not have access to. Probably this was done without knowledge of the bob members who have received this information. Yet they still received it just the same. This info could have very well effected the outcome of key battles and wars. This is why I do not blame bob members for this, yet still think it would be healthy for everyone to kill them. Or maybe I just want to see more drama and big fights. who really knows? Can't prove it either way.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:08:00 - [38] this is about a DEV identifying himself, being known to people within BOB. The Dev then uses his powers to conjure up BPOs. For a long time people on these boards had been seeing smoke and yelling fire but it was denied again and again. People were shouted down by BOB saying it was all nonsense, everything above board. Turns out it was not. Exactly how much assistance was given by these BPOs and any other actions that were going on cannot be estimated. What is certain is it helped. Let the witch hunt continue. People are angry. They are angry inside BOB coz they are all being branded cheaters for the actions of the few. Many have worked extremely hard for BOB, it is a kick in the teeth for them and totally unfair in 99% of cases. But that is just how it is, and it has to be recognised as such, this is the reaction the community has to these events. Before you start on the path of cheating, thinking you are clever enough not to be found out remember this is where it leads when you are found out. People that fought BOB and had their alliance destroyed in the process are not exactly thrilled to discover part of the reason will be because of Dev help. Right now BOB need to find out exactly how knew what and if they were too much involved in the cheating kick them. It is BOB that needs to do the internal investigation, and if that is not possible, best plenty of them start thinking about splitting from BOB. The cheaters were few, a great PVP base remains. Right now those that cheated need BOB a lot more than BOB needs them. BOB its time to clean your own house.
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:08:00 - [39] I'm just having a sandwich, while waiting for the server to come back up. It's got cheese in it! Hot cheeeeeeese. Mmmmm.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyra Azor The problem isn't the bpos. This is the problem: Quote: dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those Wow.. just wow... is that a real quote or a fabricated one? If its real can you link it? and also the date on which it was made? I for one am very curious.

Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow Bad Company.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Kyra Azor The problem isn't the bpos. This is the problem: Quote: dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those Wow.. just wow... is that a real quote or a fabricated one? If its real can you link it? and also the date on which it was made? I for one am very curious. The source is a PM from the RKK forums that kugutsumen got in the forums dump he used to uncover all this. Of course linking to that source is a good way to get a time out on the forums.
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:16:00 - [42] funny thing is, there used to be lota of post along the lines of 'if you dont like bob, why not all team and go and kill them' and things to that effect used to hear it for months and months then all of a sudden, everyone teams and goes for bob, and now its a withc hunt . funny how time kinda warps your perspecitve aint it. note, im not for or against them tbh, not my problem. Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Don't think of it as being kicked out of the Federation; think of it as beating the rush
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:16:00 - [43] BoB/m0ovolution have been accused of having an inside edge since day one, 90% of the time tho the reasons that are used as proof can easily be explained as them frankly just being smarter and better equiped, you can have ass loads of sp but be useless because you can't keep your butt in a ship,they are smart and have dedicated people who do alot of hard work to figure out how this game ticks, not because they are devs but because they do their homework. Thus they know what they can and can't do better then the rest. Also they have ALWAYS had a great Intel department, its not unheard of them being able to infiltrate their enemies most sensative intel on a forum and use it for the entire span of said war. Want to change that? Then simple,Go to war with BoB rebuild your Frackin' forum. Its war and they will use every means they have to rip you to shreds. Now thats not to say they don't have devs in their midst they obviously have had at least 2 confirmed publicly but im pretty sure there is at least 2-3 vol squad members in every major 0.0 Alliance, the differance is well simple, at the end of the day they suceed where we have all failed and no one can come up with a palatable reason as to why,so thats how these stupid rumors form and go around,mix lack of knowledge+hatred and you got a reciep for a situation like this. BoB doesn't kill alliances,they make alliances kill themselves. Don't get me wrong I have my own axe to grind with BoB, but I would do this same speech if it was RA or heck even CA's nuts that were on the chopping block. We made a self fullfiling prophecy and guess what we damn well got what we wanted, its just a shame that the people who worked their ass' off legitamately to get where they are, are getting burned like this. And thats what got my goat.
Kyra Azor Silver Train	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Kyra Azor The problem isn't the bpos. This is the problem: Quote: dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those Wow.. just wow... is that a real quote or a fabricated one? If its real can you link it? and also the date on which it was made? I for one am very curious. It's in the part 3 of the RKK revelations, made in the Kugutsumen forum. In my opinion it's the most important part of all the revelation, because it proves that all RKK directors were aware of using dev info. I am sure you can easily find it. I am not 100% it's real, but since all the other intel was proven accurate, I suppose this is too. And here is another quote from there: Quote: I can't see the relevant thing. You compare intel (the ccp event) with the personnal infos of t20? I gave all the intels i had from him. But i decided to keep his ingame char, coz it was personnaL. Your infos arent personnal.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:22:00 - [45] /signed couldnt have put it better. ------------
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Xeliya I have never seen someone who murdered someone have his family and friends pay for his wrong doing, so why should they ingame? Then clearly you don't think things through. Not that I am advocating any aggression towards BOB, as a whole, because of the actions of a few, but you need a better metaphor than that. Kind regards Mattduk
thoradh AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:25:00 - [47] Originally by: Max Teranous Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. The Goons did not 'hack' the client. They got permission from CCP. What they did was implemented shortly afterwards, as you can well see with the standings now slowing up in local. > > Noli illegitimi carborundum! >
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:25:00 - [48] Originally by: thoradh Originally by: Max Teranous Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. The Goons did not 'hack' the client. They got permission from CCP. I was under the impression CCP declared their hack an exploit and only integrated it into the client because they could not detect it. Can you link to the thread where it states Goonfleet got prior approval? -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
thoradh AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:27:00 - [49] Edited by: thoradh on 12/02/2007 11:25:57 Edited by: thoradh on 12/02/2007 11:24:02 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: thoradh Originally by: Max Teranous Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. Can you link the thread where they were officially accused of 'hacking' the client by CCP? The Goons did not 'hack' the client. They got permission from CCP. I was under the impression CCP declared their hack an exploit and only integrated it into the client because they could not detect it. Can you link to the thread where CCP officially accused Goons of 'hacking' the client'? EDIT: lol sry, quotes got mixed up DS. > > Noli illegitimi carborundum! >
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow Bad Company.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Shikari I was under the impression CCP declared their hack an exploit and only integrated it into the client because they could not detect it. Can you link to the thread where it states Goonfleet got prior approval? Any approval they got would not be valid to post on the forums because it would mean they were disclosing GM conversations with a 3rd party.

Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:35:00 - [51] As far as Isk selling goes,that has gone on since Tranq has gone up and tbh I don't I have been in a single alliance in three years where there hasn't been at least 5 isk sellers in it and I m pretty sure some of them still are. TBH I am surprised CCP has gone on to figure out a program to allow this and rake in cash off of isk selling,I don't know a 33% stipen per licensed isk seller or something, either way each side will turn a profit.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Dark Shikari I was under the impression CCP declared their hack an exploit and only integrated it into the client because they could not detect it. Can you link to the thread where it states Goonfleet got prior approval? Any approval they got would not be valid to post on the forums because it would mean they were disclosing GM conversations with a 3rd party. No, a GM could say in their thread "we approved this." You can say anything a GM said as long as you don't directly quote it, and the GM can post whatever he wants himself. The Goonfleet portrait hack thread was around 8 pages and was in General Discussion like 6-8 months back. I think the link has been posted a few times in COAD lately, so shouldn't be too hard to find. I didn't read all of it when it came out, but I definitely don't remember anything about the portrait hack being supposedly "approved", especially when CCP was saying it was against the rules. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Dogoo STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:39:00 - [53] I will ask u a question, Do Bobits know what's the meaning of dignity, honor, respect àà
Kenneys	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:40:00 - [54] Quote: Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. Umm what the frack is that? How are any of the other things comparable to a developer who gives out items that benefit an entire PVP alliance?
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow Bad Company.	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Admiral Feelgood on 12/02/2007 11:41:06 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Dark Shikari I was under the impression CCP declared their hack an exploit and only integrated it into the client because they could not detect it. Can you link to the thread where it states Goonfleet got prior approval? Any approval they got would not be valid to post on the forums because it would mean they were disclosing GM conversations with a 3rd party. No, a GM could say in their thread "we approved this." You can say anything a GM said as long as you don't directly quote it, and the GM can post whatever he wants himself. The Goonfleet portrait hack thread was around 8 pages and was in General Discussion like 6-8 months back. I think the link has been posted a few times in COAD lately, so shouldn't be too hard to find. I didn't read all of it when it came out, but I definitely don't remember anything about the portrait hack being supposedly "approved", especially when CCP was saying it was against the rules. Then I don't know what to tell you because the goonfleet members I've talked to are all under the impression that it was considered valid.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:47:00 - [56] I see quite a bit of effort being made to turn this into "did Goons do anything wrong a long time ago?" Perhaps a gentle reminder. BOB got Dev help and people are not pleased about it.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:48:00 - [57] Does the term "Witch hunt" in the provided context still apply if they really were witches?
thetwilitehour Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:49:00 - [58] Edited by: thetwilitehour on 12/02/2007 11:46:06 NVM can't quote and reply the way I want.
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:52:00 - [59] Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 12/02/2007 11:49:48 Originally by: pershphanie So he presents his opinion on the situation and you respond with a personal attack. Maybe you shouldn't be the one critiquing here. [snips, edit: my comment on BoB probably still winning conflicts w/out the 'help' they got] But how do you really know that? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldnt. I find it likely that BoB benefited from GM game knowledge that most of us did not have access to. Probably this was done without knowledge of the bob members who have received this information. Yet they still received it just the same. This info could have very well effected the outcome of key battles and wars. This is why I do not blame bob members for this, yet still think it would be healthy for everyone to kill them. Or maybe I just want to see more drama and big fights. who really knows? Can't prove it either way. More along the lines of (as i said) Nez had a lot of rather good points about a great many things (cbf looking them up, check caod mid/lateish last year). After Christmas, it seemed a fairly personal ISS MUST DIE!!11. And from other threads on this topic, it seems personal again. That, and he (appears?) has been fence sitting since he was in FIX as one of their leaders. Nothing wrong with a bit of time out, but sometimes it pays to choose sides. All that aside, weren't you in BoB until recently persph? Seem to recall your name with a bob tag on the forums. Had you any insight at all to the goings on? I gather not, but figured i'd ask. Not that I agree in any way shape or form with people getting DEV assistance... And by Blacklights response, neither did he. I dont know the bob leaders personally (obviously), but from what ive seen of BL etc on burn eden ts/forums, seems he would prefer to keep it 'above board' rather than the current situation. Just wonder who didn't (that noone else knew seems farfetched). As a few (including me!) have said, any alliance taking moral highground (goon taking moral highground? aish!) need only look at their own misconduct. Whether DEV approved or not, theres few if any major alliances without some dodgy practises at least in their past, if not their present. People shouldn't get stoned in glass houses, or something like that . /2c
Fogy Caldari Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:54:00 - [60] To the OP, and to other "STOP The witch hunt" suporter: If you think BPO's and even all that other stuff beeing toosed around.. You clearly need to open your eyes. Every where on this forum and ingame, BoB members keep on smacking people (well actually they'w been cinda silent lately).. making semiflaming siggies with dev loggin picies and all that crapp.. This so called witch hunt, wasn't started by Kugutzman, by GoonSwarm or whoever. It started a loong time ago.. And who started it? BoB did. how did they? by constantly chestbeating, flaming, smacking, "riding on theyr high horse" generaly beeing a bunche of a-holes. I bett, and I'm almost serten, if BoB as an alliance had a more friendly way of comunicating with people over the forums and ingame. This whole thing wouldnt have happend in the first plase. You can shoot, kill and pod thousands ingame, but you dont have to turn into an ***** over it. Like SO many Band Of Brother's have stated on this forum.. "It's only a game" "OVER A GAME" and so on.. I agree.. at the end of the day.. EVE-Online is just a game. And winning it, or beeing good at it, doesnt make you a better or worse person.. just like winning Jatzy or Ludo doesnt make you a better or worse person.. It's how you treat people aftwerwords that shows your true face. winning or loosing, beeing nice or a beeing ***. In norway we have a saying, and it goes something like this: Treat people as you want them to treat you. I supose some one got what they diserved in the end. While others might have goten more. and other less. Where is gone the respect for the ennemy? Quote:** Yeah, where has it gone? Cheers! Fogy SPREAD THE ♥ I nerfed my siggie.. :( "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"



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