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Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:15:00 - [181] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Malachon Draco Just one reaction to all those who call this a witchhunt. Maybe it is. But the reason for the witchhunt can be summed up in one short sentence: Karma is a *****. With all the underhanded, arrogent, self-absorbed, villifying and plain disgusting contributions by BoB in this forum over the years, its time BoB knows what its like to be on the other side. So any BoB out there wondering why this is happening, think about all the times you or your corp/alliance mates abused people verbally on these forums. And consider this payback, with accrued interest. Everytime i read something from you it makes me realise you actually think this is all true in real life, it makes me feel sorry for you - even though i don't like you. Haha, you're so funny. This is all a joke to me really. I let it get to me once about 4-5 months ago, and then I made a little plan which I have been executing ever since. I am trying to emulate someone here in RL who is both despise and still admire in some sick morbid way, and I am trying to see if it works or not. So far, I am not dissatisfied with the results. If you convo me ingame, I might tell you who I am trying to emulate and you can tell me if I'm doing a good job of it. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
The Hardman Amarr Cornerstone Unlimited The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:19:00 - [182] Originally by: RadarJack Quote: We would like to thank everyone for their comments and voicing their concerns over these recent allegations. We have answered as many questions in this forum thread as possible, t20 has issued an apology for his part and Hellmar (CCP's CEO for those that are unaware) has also issued a statement. We are looking towards the future, what we can do to improve EVE and repair the recent damage done to the EVE community. We ask the community to assist in this endeavour. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online Lol, thats some kind of in-joke right ? right ? 3200 posts... I think he means for us to be ever vigilent. To petition whenever we see anything that seems like it might be Dev related. Be it a GM spying out our territory, or the suspicious speed some log in after a node crash. If the petition is received by the wrong GM, to post about it continually in the eve-o until it is answered.
Harkan Ramientes Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:31:00 - [183] Originally by: Kren Mobius Edited by: Kren Mobius on 12/02/2007 17:06:49 Edited by: Kren Mobius on 12/02/2007 17:00:43 Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy? Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull! Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community! Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games" We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT. Lets all enjoy the fight! I have reserved posting about this until now as when I first heard about it I was shocked that this type of thing could occur. What I find abhorred is that if someone is willing to RISK their job by spawning almost $4000.00 worth of T2 BPOÆs (going off GTC sales to isk value) to impress their virtual friends, what type of information are they boasting about in teamspeak? What secrets of the game, what bugs or workarounds that are only known to CCP being shared? All those times you had your deep safe spot ***ed in a matter of seconds? All those times you lost a lag filled fleet fight? Or you couldnÆt lock æright awayÆ? to simply say he JUST** gave T2 BPO's is a laughable thing. I pride myself on honor and dignity and If I were in BOB I would have resigned roles 1 second after reading T20's apology, if I were a friend of BoB I would give them 30 minutes notice that they are now set to red. Bottom line, they're tainted, is it fair? no, is it the communitys fault tho? No. edit If you like quotes, here's one I live by "The decisions you make, make you" not to tarnish your honor, but aren't you going a bit beyond the lines? I was fighting your alliance and specifically some members of your corp and I was unable to target,and yes 2 days ago I lost my ship against another alliance due to lag (but following what you say: it was really lag? or else?) does this means I am authorized in thinking it was the action of a Dev in your alliance? is this what you mean? I lost because your alliance was helped by a Dev/GM? oh and don't tell me "there is no proof"...after all it took long time to find proofs about BoB, right? I dare to suggest you to pay attention to the "justice" you are asking for unless you want a game where everyone of us, if wins, become the witch
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:38:00 - [184] LV members posting here, do you think that by licking bod's arses they will be more successful in saving you? Doubt it, carry on with taking honor from yourselves though. - BH
Harkan Ramientes Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:43:00 - [185] Originally by: Beyond Horizon LV members posting here, do you think that by licking bod's arses they will be more successful in saving you? Doubt it, carry on with taking honor from yourselves though. everyone is endowed to have an opinion even you
Damion Zyne Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:52:00 - [186] Originally by: Lunarra Where is gone the respect for the ennemy? Do people really believe that BOB got to where they are by getting a few BPOs easely? Statisticly they are some of the oldest players in EvE, then they likely to have more BPOs that other alliances. Corps inside BOB are leaving because its so called corruption? Or are they not leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship? I mean, its not new in EvE to see alliance losing its members because of a war not going quiet the way they anticipated! THOSE should not get any respect! Its just TOO EASY to accuse people of cheating when they are powerfull! Corruption occure at EVERY levels, from CEOs, alliance leaders to RL of course. We don't live in a perfect world! I just can't believe it actually shock so much the community! Here is a phrase that i can't remember where it is from: - "The only thing that man take seriously are games" We are fighting BOB, we wish them dead. But it has nothing to do with corruption or other BSHT. Lets all enjoy the fight! QFT I feel sad for all the people who only see black or white and no shades of grey. Some stand on a very slippery moral highground and I can only hope there is a lot of role playing involved. In closing I would like to say: "Hamburgerheads" ))
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:53:00 - [187] This isn't only about BPOs. Get it right.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:55:00 - [188] Yawn
RadarJack Amarr Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:02:00 - [189] 'Revelations'... must be the most fitting name for a game expansion ever.
Pwadoc GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:08:00 - [190] I have to wonder if CYVOK's post on ASCN disbanding, and the way BoB members behaved in that thread have something to do with the current status of BoB's reputation. The dev scandal was just the final straw.
Bannion Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:10:00 - [191] My sympathy for what its worth, is for the foot soldiers of the BOB alliance, alot of these guys are excellent pvpers but they have become tarnished and all their efforts have come into question. The silence of the BOB high command suprises me at this moment, whether they are working on a response to the community or not time will tell. I just cant wait to see Sir Molle "tick tock" his way out of this mess Quote: Kinsy - "BoB change positions more often than Rocco Sifredi."
joshua cane Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:13:00 - [192] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 11:50:49 Originally by: Vile rat Does the term "Witch hunt" in the provided context still apply if there really were witches? Fixed, but still an interesting question. Clearly the vast majority of BoB are not responsible; the only ones we know knew are the RKK directors, as demonstrated by Kugutsumen. But your question is valid: Is it a proverbial witch hunt if you find witches? yeah , the vast majority of bob are not responsible , but all corps directors in bob are responsible BOB playing with an inside line into CCP and knowingly sharing intel with them that none of us else had access to ;specially when a capital fleet leader has been a dev bob isn't so powerful : we need to infiltrate , spy TS to win , i know : it's not forbidden but they fight with no honor .
Allatar Daimas The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:42:00 - [193] Quote: Well its a lot of the "alliance playerbase" then... it still affects a lot of people Good, if theyre going to quit over something like this, then let them, more rats/rocks for me anyways. Now even I will admit, (being a BoB "Slave" and all) that a dev spawning BPO's for any one alliance is more than a little bit F***ed up. But I will be willing to bet that the vast majority of BoB players if any at all, were not even aware of what had transpired. Also, I hear a lot of nonsense about "what if CCP is lying and they really spawned 50 BPO's including 3 vagas and a 10k run Mach BPC!?!??" All I have to say is that at some point we have too take CCP's word for it, that the situation was addressed and proper action was taken. Now whether or not you agree that the action was "Proper" that is up to you. But I doubt that CCP has a bias towards one alliance or another, in fact I doubt that they really care who is "winning". Think of it this way, if you wake up in the morning, you head out to work, and you make tires for a living, do you really care who buys the tires? No, of course not, all you care about is "Am I getting paid for this" now you may take pride in your work, and care about the quality (as I am sure CCP does, except maybe with fleet lag jk) but when it really comes down to it, who buys the tires and what end they are used for doesnt really concern you. So lets all pause a minute, have a cup of coffee, or tea or whatever. Think it through a minute. And then continue fanning the flames. My 2 cents. (BoB slaves do it for Quafe and spirits!!) -Al
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:45:00 - [194] Originally by: Allatar Daimas (BoB slaves do it for Quafe and spirits!!) -Al and exoctic dancers. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Rogue Demon	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:46:00 - [195] Unfortunately this is much bigger than any specific alliance, although the said alliance sure didnt turn down the bpos or any of the other things. It will be interesting to see what the wider gaming community think of eve when the articles start to be published in the PC magazines (look out for April addition of PC Gamer) and i hope you approve of my handy work Perhaps CCP might respond accordinly when this whole thing goes beyond just the eve community...
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:55:00 - [196] lol, they thinks its only about BoD.... no. some reasons are because of that. But the main reason is, we cannot allow an enitity to become larger than the game. BoB are full of themselves... (as am I lol) and they think they can run over anyone. Time to show them a little humility. at least thats my reason 8). WildCat
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:58:00 - [197] Originally by: Rogue Demon Unfortunately this is much bigger than any specific alliance, although the said alliance sure didnt turn down the bpos or any of the other things. It will be interesting to see what the wider gaming community think of eve when the articles start to be published in the PC magazines (look out for April addition of PC Gamer) and i hope you approve of my handy work Perhaps CCP might respond accordinly when this whole thing goes beyond just the eve community... Well, if people like you publish slanted articles in gamer mags the press it gets is not CCP's fault, its yours. If people could be responsible and state that CCP found a dev cheating, and punished the dev as well as removed the "spawned" objects from the game and THEN created a Internal affairs department and severe GM/ISD logging instead of **** like "CCP hasnt responded accordingly because I THINK SO" this would be a completely different topic. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:00:00 - [198] Just cause the now vindicated tin-foil hat brigade and x-conspiracy nuts now proven they were correct told us so for the last 2 years please stop the witchhunt. Just go back to flaming bob for being blobers, pos shooters and loggers like I always have done.
niroshido Caldari Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:01:00 - [199] Originally by: Rogue Demon Unfortunately this is much bigger than any specific alliance, although the said alliance sure didnt turn down the bpos or any of the other things. It will be interesting to see what the wider gaming community think of eve when the articles start to be published in the PC magazines (look out for April addition of PC Gamer) and i hope you approve of my handy work Perhaps CCP might respond accordinly when this whole thing goes beyond just the eve community... well im a personal fan of PC-gamer UK edition, i look forward to reading the article coincidence is that it was an EVE related article that got me here is the 1st place (the story of the largest corp theft by the GHSC) is it coincidence that it will be yet another big scandle to get into PCgamers Online community section?
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:10:00 - [200] Edited by: Boliknar on 12/02/2007 19:06:57 Great now the thread where we are supposed to voice our concerns over these issues has been locked with a "Screw you! You have gotten all the answers you are gonna get! And dont post about this anymore" post from the Devs. Pretty much par for the course I would say. Now that we no longer have an avenue to voice our concerns here we should all post as much as we can on third party MMO oriented sites. Let the whole MMO commuinty know what has and apparantly still is going on.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:26:00 - [201] Originally by: Max Teranous Just a thought - but it's not like every alliance in the game other then bob has never done anything vaguely against the EULA, or something shady. Bob and this Dev stuff, Goons with their client hack, D2 & their IP taking from a CCP board, RA's isk selling, etc etc. Let those who are innocent cast the first stone, and all that. I refuse to cheat to win, because winning is worthless if you have to cheat. Consider the stone cast. Ban all of them. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Rogue Demon	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:30:00 - [202] Originally by: niroshido Originally by: Rogue Demon Unfortunately this is much bigger than any specific alliance, although the said alliance sure didnt turn down the bpos or any of the other things. It will be interesting to see what the wider gaming community think of eve when the articles start to be published in the PC magazines (look out for April addition of PC Gamer) and i hope you approve of my handy work Perhaps CCP might respond accordinly when this whole thing goes beyond just the eve community... well im a personal fan of PC-gamer UK edition, i look forward to reading the article coincidence is that it was an EVE related article that got me here is the 1st place (the story of the largest corp theft by the GHSC) is it coincidence that it will be yet another big scandle to get into PCgamers Online community section? I do not believe in coincidences
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:44:00 - [203] I thought this thread was going to be about sandwitches...
PirateShampoo UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:47:00 - [204] Goons, TCF, CA etc please get off your high horses. This is not about vengence cheating or any other that rubbish. The real reason this war is started is because you felt threated by LV. Long before any sliver of misconduct was revealed you were attacking our allies and our territory. Being threated by a powerful enemy is a perfect good excuse to ally and go to war you don't need another. This ofc does not apply to RA because they don't talk rubbish (in general) And does not apply to D2, AAA and the others who joined the bandwagon as they were looking for an excuse.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:47:00 - [205] Considering that CCP is doing a total lockdown on threads of this sort, expect this to be locked soon . However, I've started up a forum here for everyone to post what they want on. Feel free to discuss the issue there without moderators... and with the option of anonymity -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Aleria Angelis Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:48:00 - [206] Originally by: Rogue Demon Unfortunately this is much bigger than any specific alliance, although the said alliance sure didnt turn down the bpos or any of the other things. It will be interesting to see what the wider gaming community think of eve when the articles start to be published in the PC magazines (look out for April addition of PC Gamer) and i hope you approve of my handy work Perhaps CCP might respond accordinly when this whole thing goes beyond just the eve community... Ill definitly be buying the april edition then Ive also got in touch with PCzone. Heres a linkie on their official forums: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=404108#404108 GEPT opens its doors!
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:48:00 - [207] I thought I would make one final post in this final thread concerning the whole ordeal. After examining most posts regarding the subject a majority feels that t20 should be fired. It didn't happen and got away with a slap on the wrist. CCP found out about the BPOs last summer, but failed for some obscure reason to erase them; since CPP fail to answer as to why, but cut the community off with an apology for failing this. Its been like this since the beginning of my eve time; some people get away with alot, while others get banned; much like the BPO t2 lottery in a way. Maybe its part of the harsh in-game "injustice"(legitimately); some suffer from lag, others don't, some gain BPOs, others don't. I can agree that it feels like a witch hunt, maybe rightly so. t20 failed his responsibility, sure, but I do feel, that since he is a human being, he made an error most people at a weak moment could do. The ones that have truely failed are the management of CCP, the security in itself concerning its playing devs. Foremostly the handling of the whole situation is very fishy and weak; 106 pages of voiced concerns, and only an opening and closing statement from CCP, that is rather weak, where they ask the community to help them sweeping up their own mess, the end result of the whole matter is this: 6 months ago t20s character(s) got erased. How can that be a punishment, when he can legally purchase a 40 mil sp character off the sales forum; probably with help of isk that BoB earned from the illegal BPOs. Furthermore he probably was part of the communistic part of BoB, so he would have no real assets to lose. As many have voiced, this could very possibly run deeper than a few pretty weak T2 BPOs(relatively speaking). Unfortunately for BoB(as the rulers of Eve), it was "their" dev that got discovered, and many will therefore ask if they got there, due to many occations where devs stepped in to help out, ie events taking place, rigged tournaments. I am not trying to state that these things hold true, but since most people, myself included, have lost all faith and trust in CCP, many questions still remain unanswered. Maybe BoB HQ knew about certain things, but as this game has developed, I can't blame them for taking advantage of this gained knowledge(if indeed it took place). BoB has great leadership, and good pvp'ers, good strategy, good logistics etc etc; things they have legitimately worked hard to obtain. They would have gotten where they are, maybe not as fast(again if indeed there have been more cheating besides the measly BPOs ) - regardlessly. I have pondered for a few days back and forth, what could be done to save the remains of eve, and the only effective thing would be to make it impossible for devs, maybe even mods to have characters in-game; since it's impossible for them to take a inpartial viewpoint, which is necessary in their line of work, when they are playing.
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:00:00 - [208] To the OP its simple BOB cheated and most people with an ounce of common sense will think that they had more help than a few crapp BPO's ... I mean come on. So you will always be known as cheaters, people will think you cheated to get where you are and all them honest fights that have been had will also be classed as won with cheats. Anything you do from now on will have no credability because people will just think "ah but they got all that through cheating" New person to eve/ o.0 who's he frank ? points at BOB member Frank the veteran/ Ahhh that my young newblett is a member of a cheating allaince. Sorry take the rough with the smooth from now on you will be known as cheaters and theres nothing noone can do about it. Sorry Good Luck nd have fun.
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:10:00 - [209] FACTS: CCP found out a Dev was cheating, They disciplined the dev 8 months ago. CCP created the tools to monitor thier staff and hired someone to do that 40 hours a week. They are paying someone to just watch over the devs to try and prevent this in the future... The Community found out about this months later and wanted to know what happened, and if there was anything CCP missed. CCP communicated with the community as best they could, and better then any other MMO company ever would have saying they would investigate and find any more details they could. CCP found that the dev had given illegal items to someone in game, that may have not been removed. CCP then removed illegal items. CCP allowed discussion on the events, in the open, for everyone to talk about. CCP then answered all the questions they could about it without infringing on anyones privacy. CCP then decided to state there was no more need for discussion as they cant give any more details out. MY OPINION: Overall CCP was far more open in this then all the other MMO companies would have been, and there is a very vocal minority of the forums that are blowing this way out of size. Its that group of the forums that are getting our of hand and think that they are being silenced and muffled and they need to strike back by giving CCP bad press... CCP did the best they could, and did better then any MMO company has in the past, and probably will in the future when dealing with these sorts of issues, and its about time people start respecting that. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
fightnkill Avatars of Honor Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:13:00 - [210] One thing that worries me the most is that this T20 incident may only be the tip of the iceburg...

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