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Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:51:00 - [91] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 12/02/2007 12:48:10 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Edde Bebbi Punishment for whaT? ... punishment for looking the other way or turning a blind eye to developer collusion. To pretend that a significant number of BoB directors did not know what the score was with T20 is laughable. I refer you to the dimensionz quote.. posted earlier in this thread.. Originally by: dimensionz ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those For all we know this was the tip of the iceberg..... BoB let their ambition cloud their good judgement when it came to overlooking what must have obviously been insider information. Since we cannot know who exactly knew what ... BoB must be collectively punished by either disbandment or some gargantuan fine that will set them back substantially... if nothing else as a warning to others that if they suspect any dev misconduct within their alliance they must seek it out and elminate it.. for their own good. If you cant see that this is just conviction by inferrence and assumption, then theres no hope for you. What would you honestly have done in the same situation? Kicked him? Made his identity public? Knowing a Devs identity is NOT wrong. There is no evidence of knowing collusion.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:53:00 - [92] Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Big Al It's not a witchhunt when the allegations end up being true. Now that transgressions have been admitted people will never let it go. Well.. I think people might let it go if CCP actually stepped up to the plate and stopped shielding Band of Brothers. Ban all of Molle's accounts for his posting of real life information on the boards. Take punitive steps against RKK directors.. multiple t2 BPO's don't just 'happen' to come out of a player's pocket who, oh, also 'happens' to be a dev; taking advantage of obviously ill-gotten goods is criminal. Most of all, the dev(s) in question need to be fired. And all of this needs to be done openly, and to hell with their opaque "we don't talk about what we do, just trust us" B.S., that's already been tried and CCP has been proven untrustworthy. It's up to CCP to re-establish their credibility. And as for BoB, and the near endless string of 'stuff' that happens around them... well, it'd be interesting to see how much 'stuff' happens after a firing and a few dozen account bans. Ban all of Remedial and Mittanis accounts for the same reason? ok?
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: niroshido well as i said alot of ppl hate BOB and alot of others are paranoid, sometimes we get both combined forming "THE WITCH HUNTERS" these ppl like to feed off anything and create crasy ideas of curruption like UFO believers they believe the governments hide info bout UFO's and create unsual and crazy theories bout certain things (not saying the governments dont hide info hehe) and if it was found out that the government hit just one little flying saucer? maybe not a whole fleet but just a small one. No this is more like finding out that the government under-exagerated the death-toll in Iraq, and as a result concluding that they must be lying about flying saucers as well. no not really. They were accused of cheeting and being in bed with a dev many a time. They got fairly crappy about it on the boards. It was proven they had a dev cheeting in their corp. All that is fact. The corp benifited from the cheeting. To what degree nobody will ever know. But a benifit never the less. If your wife steals from the bank brings the money home puts it in the checking account and you buy a new car but didn't know where the money came from that make it ok? Especially when the police say you can keep the new car? And if these bpo's were it (of which I dont believe but ayway) if they are it and you think they dont do anything then please give the worthless things to be. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:56:00 - [94] Originally by: Edde Bebbi What would you honestly have done in the same situation? Kicked him? Made his identity public? Knowing a Devs identity is NOT wrong. There is no evidence of knowing collusion. Actually knowing a Dev's identity is wrong if for no other reason than the Dev let their identity be known to a player and this ruins their ability to play as a player. There is no "Discover Dev identity" skill as far as I know and there is no way aside from a Dev telling a player in confidence for a player to know a Dev's identity. That the Dev told a player who they were shows us that the Dev was willing to break fairly obvious rules in order to "hang with his buds" on this virtual game and this terrifies me because if they are willing to break this rule, what other rules have they broken for their friends?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:57:00 - [95] Quote: Originally Posted by Dianabolic CCP are going to run an event in Fountain that lasts 6 monthts, including building a serpentis outpost, utilitising npc dreadnoughts and titans, installing npc POS that we're expected to take down, etc. This will coincide with NPC factions teaming up with player factions to fight other npc factions, for various rewards of whatever type. Why haven't I blurted this out to all and sundry? You're all ****ed off that I haven't immediately made a post on here saying OMG OMG OMG LOOK WHAT CCP ARE GOING TO DO, yet I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP. You think I WANTED to keep this from you? I mean for crying out loud.. read this stuff... its in black and white.. BoB were recieving information from CCP, they effectively recieved t2 bpo's from CCP ... who knows what else has being going on... Tbh I think we can't even handle the truth... its too awful to contemplate. CCP must punish BoB and must punish themeselves... there has to be some big punishment handed out here. Something that makes sense and makes the thousands of EVE players that feel their trust has been violated, feel like its worth logging in to play the game that they have sunk inummerable effort and time into. Its just not fair.. and those of you who can't see it.. have your heads in the sand.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Edde Bebbi What would you honestly have done in the same situation? Kicked him? Made his identity public? Knowing a Devs identity is NOT wrong. There is no evidence of knowing collusion. Actually knowing a Dev's identity is wrong if for no other reason than the Dev let their identity be known to a player and this ruins their ability to play as a player. There is no "Discover Dev identity" skill as far as I know and there is no way aside from a Dev telling a player in confidence for a player to know a Dev's identity. That the Dev told a player who they were shows us that the Dev was willing to break fairly obvious rules in order to "hang with his buds" on this virtual game and this terrifies me because if they are willing to break this rule, what other rules have they broken for their friends? Its wrong for the DEV not for the Player. Blame CCP by all means: t20 SHOULD have been fired and he SHOULD resign now to save CCP, but BoB?
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:58:00 - [97] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Big Al It's not a witchhunt when the allegations end up being true. Now that transgressions have been admitted people will never let it go. Well.. I think people might let it go if CCP actually stepped up to the plate and stopped shielding Band of Brothers. Ban all of Molle's accounts for his posting of real life information on the boards. Take punitive steps against RKK directors.. multiple t2 BPO's don't just 'happen' to come out of a player's pocket who, oh, also 'happens' to be a dev; taking advantage of obviously ill-gotten goods is criminal. Most of all, the dev(s) in question need to be fired. And all of this needs to be done openly, and to hell with their opaque "we don't talk about what we do, just trust us" B.S., that's already been tried and CCP has been proven untrustworthy. It's up to CCP to re-establish their credibility. And as for BoB, and the near endless string of 'stuff' that happens around them... well, it'd be interesting to see how much 'stuff' happens after a firing and a few dozen account bans. Ban all of Remedial and Mittanis accounts for the same reason? ok? That'd be no skin off my back... but I have a hard time feeling bad about a cheating dev being outed publicly, any more than I would about a dirty cop or a corrupt politician. And given that CCP chose to try to whitewash their devs cheating in the first place, and only responded when the issue was shoved in their face, was the action really inappropriate?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:59:00 - [98] Originally by: Nez Perces Quote: Originally Posted by Dianabolic CCP are going to run an event in Fountain that lasts 6 monthts, including building a serpentis outpost, utilitising npc dreadnoughts and titans, installing npc POS that we're expected to take down, etc. This will coincide with NPC factions teaming up with player factions to fight other npc factions, for various rewards of whatever type. Why haven't I blurted this out to all and sundry? You're all ****ed off that I haven't immediately made a post on here saying OMG OMG OMG LOOK WHAT CCP ARE GOING TO DO, yet I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP. You think I WANTED to keep this from you? I mean for crying out loud.. read this stuff... its in black and white.. BoB were recieving information from CCP, they effectively recieved t2 bpo's from CCP ... who knows what else has being going on... Tbh I think we can't even handle the truth... its too awful to contemplate. CCP must punish BoB and must punish themeselves... there has to be some big punishment handed out here. Something that makes sense and makes the thousands of EVE players that feel their trust has been violated, feel like its worth logging in to play the game that they have sunk inummerable effort and time into. Its just not fair.. and those of you who can't see it.. have your heads in the sand. The info you quoted was given to .5. and G and others by CCP directly as well. It wasnt an unfair advantage
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:00:00 - [99] In every online game i've played, the top players are always accused of cheating, are hated and are constantly being brought down by other players. Apparently it's no different in EVE. Looking at this from here, not being directly involved, just like the vast majority of you people who are posting here, i cannot but feel ashamed at the EVE community. You people are so arrogant to think and presume that you know more than CCP about this issue. Worste, you want to be the ones deciding what CCP does or does not do in relation to these incidents. YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK. CCP has stated, for the record, there is no evidence that any of the players allegedly involved knew of T20's actions. Nor did they know that the "spawned" bpo's were not legal. How can you assume that they knew? Where is the proof? " oh but Kugutsumen posted...bla bla bla. "But he did bla bla bla..." Kugutsumen is not an innocet guy. He did not hack (note, illegal action here!) into someone else's forums, gaining illegal access to people's personal information to "save the eve community". He did it to cause harm. He did it with malicious intent. And you people are buying into it. CCP's internal problems are not our concern. This issue was discovered when it happened, and CCP dealt with it in the way they saw fit. End of story.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:01:00 - [100] Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Big Al It's not a witchhunt when the allegations end up being true. Now that transgressions have been admitted people will never let it go. Well.. I think people might let it go if CCP actually stepped up to the plate and stopped shielding Band of Brothers. Ban all of Molle's accounts for his posting of real life information on the boards. Take punitive steps against RKK directors.. multiple t2 BPO's don't just 'happen' to come out of a player's pocket who, oh, also 'happens' to be a dev; taking advantage of obviously ill-gotten goods is criminal. Most of all, the dev(s) in question need to be fired. And all of this needs to be done openly, and to hell with their opaque "we don't talk about what we do, just trust us" B.S., that's already been tried and CCP has been proven untrustworthy. It's up to CCP to re-establish their credibility. And as for BoB, and the near endless string of 'stuff' that happens around them... well, it'd be interesting to see how much 'stuff' happens after a firing and a few dozen account bans. Ban all of Remedial and Mittanis accounts for the same reason? ok? That'd be no skin off my back... but I have a hard time feeling bad about a cheating dev being outed publicly, any more than I would about a dirty cop or a corrupt politician. And given that CCP chose to try to whitewash their devs cheating in the first place, and only responded when the issue was shoved in their face, was the action really inappropriate? I 100% agree with your assessment of CCPs dealing with the situation. They couldnt have handled it worse. But 90% of the flaming on the forums is more about BoB hatred than it is about CCP fairness. People want BoB to go down and are using this as a (subconscious in some cases) pretext.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:02:00 - [101] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder In every online game i've played, the top players are always accused of cheating, are hated and are constantly being brought down by other players. Apparently it's no different in EVE. Looking at this from here, not being directly involved, just like the vast majority of you people who are posting here, i cannot but feel ashamed at the EVE community. You people are so arrogant to think and presume that you know more than CCP about this issue. Worste, you want to be the ones deciding what CCP does or does not do in relation to these incidents. YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK. CCP has stated, for the record, there is no evidence that any of the players allegedly involved knew of T20's actions. Nor did they know that the "spawned" bpo's were not legal. How can you assume that they knew? Where is the proof? " oh but Kugutsumen posted...bla bla bla. "But he did bla bla bla..." Kugutsumen is not an innocet guy. He did not hack (note, illegal action here!) into someone else's forums, gaining illegal access to people's personal information to "save the eve community". He did it to cause harm. He did it with malicious intent. And you people are buying into it. CCP's internal problems are not our concern. This issue was discovered when it happened, and CCP dealt with it in the way they saw fit. End of story. 100% agree. This is trial by the opinion of those with a vested interest in destroying BoB
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:03:00 - [102] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder CCP's internal problems are not our concern. This issue was discovered when it happened, and CCP dealt with it in the way they saw fit. End of story. CCP's 'internal problems' have resulted in an in-game alliance having a whole range of unfair advantages... and they had to be repeatedly confronted with proof of the malfeasance before they'd even doing anything about it. Even now, they haven't taken the steps (firing the dev) that they claimed they would. It's damned well our problem!
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:03:00 - [103] Originally by: Nez Perces CCP must punish BoB and must punish themeselves... I'm just as ****ed as you, but you can't punish BoB the alliance for the failings of some of their members! Directors and other BoB members sharing accounts and receiving intel directly from CCP, ban 'em. But the common BoB member who new nothing about all this shouldn't be punished. If I break into someone's house and steel their flatscreen TV (need a new one), the cops aren't allowed to put my whole family into prison...at least in most countries _______________
Domaar	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:04:00 - [104] BOB leaders accepted BPOs.(and possibly other helps.) Let them chew over that. BOB leaders robbed the honor and glory of victory from the honest BOB fighters. They are branded 'cheaters'. Fron now on and forever. Every prizes are tainted with it. What a pity.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:08:00 - [105] Originally by: Domaar BOB leaders accepted BPOs.(and possibly other helps.) Let them chew over that. BOB leaders robbed the honor and glory of victory from the honest BOB fighters. They are branded 'cheaters'. Fron now on and forever. Every prizes are tainted with it. What a pity. Theres no evidence they knew the BPOS were dodgy OR that the people accepting the BPOs knew the donor was a Dev. In fact there eis evidence of the opposite. You fail
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:09:00 - [106] Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Cosmic Blunder CCP's internal problems are not our concern. This issue was discovered when it happened, and CCP dealt with it in the way they saw fit. End of story. CCP's 'internal problems' have resulted in an in-game alliance having a whole range of unfair advantages... and they had to be repeatedly confronted with proof of the malfeasance before they'd even doing anything about it. Even now, they haven't taken the steps (firing the dev) that they claimed they would. It's damned well our problem! What's the whole "range of unfair advantages"? What are they and what proof/basis do you say this on? Link here concrete proof of what you say.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Cosmic Blunder CCP's internal problems are not our concern. This issue was discovered when it happened, and CCP dealt with it in the way they saw fit. End of story. CCP's 'internal problems' have resulted in an in-game alliance having a whole range of unfair advantages... and they had to be repeatedly confronted with proof of the malfeasance before they'd even doing anything about it. Even now, they haven't taken the steps (firing the dev) that they claimed they would. It's damned well our problem! What's the whole "range of unfair advantages"? What are they and what proof/basis do you say this on? Link here concrete proof of what you say. ** 'concrete', how about ANY proof. Inferring some bull** from ambiguous statements and saying "we know this so therefore we an assume this" is just stupid.
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder What's the whole "range of unfair advantages"? What are they and what proof/basis do you say this on? Link here concrete proof of what you say. Get off your butt and do your own research. Or maybe just read the posts on this thread.
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:12:00 - [109] Originally by: Domaar BOB leaders accepted BPOs.(and possibly other helps.) Let them chew over that. BOB leaders robbed the honor and glory of victory from the honest BOB fighters. They are branded 'cheaters'. Fron now on and forever. Every prizes are tainted with it. What a pity. So accepting BPO's is "illegal" now? So if someone you considered an ingame friend gave you a T2 bpo you would turn it down because "he was cheating", without knowing for a fact if he was or wasn't cheating? Come'on people, get real here.
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:12:00 - [110] Originally by: Dynast Originally by: Cosmic Blunder What's the whole "range of unfair advantages"? What are they and what proof/basis do you say this on? Link here concrete proof of what you say. Get off your butt and do your own research. Or maybe just read the posts on this thread. Get off yours and present evidence.
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:19:00 - [111] Edited by: Calenth on 12/02/2007 13:15:37 I will say that the people calling for molle's head because of account sharing are going too far. Account sharing shouldn't be bannable for anyone, and CCP should change the EULA on that point.
Kyra Azor Silver Train	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:21:00 - [112] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder Get off yours and present evidence. I say it again. There is evidence t20 gave RKK directors (dimensionZ in particular) some intel (not about Serpentis event as Edde Bebbi tried to twist it) then he shared them with the rest of the RKK directors. Sure we don't know what that intel was and how it affected alliance politics in the EVE universe. And we don't have the means to check. That's CCP's job. But suspicion is enough for the public to be angry. That's why a thorough and open investigation is needed to prove if those under suspicion (RKK directors and t20) are innocent or guilty of this particular "crime". I am sorry I had to post basically the same thing 4-5 times in this thread, but I am sick of some trying to twist facts, and then say there are no evidence.
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:23:00 - [113] Originally by: Calenth Edited by: Calenth on 12/02/2007 13:15:37 I will say that the people calling for molle's head because of account sharing are going too far. Account sharing shouldn't be bannable for anyone, and CCP should change the EULA on that point. My fellow player, that is merely the excuse. The bottom line here is that people are confusing in-game events (fighting, BoB is their enemy, etc) with out of game events. They are mixing up both and using the recent allegations as a way to attack those who are their enemies. The idiocy is going so far that there are already posts claiming LV should also be punished! Just LoL What do LV have to do with this at all? That just completely ends the story right there.
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Edde Bebbi ** 'concrete', how about ANY proof. Inferring some bull from ambiguous statements and saying "we know this so therefore we an assume this" is just stupid. Too bad this has stopped being about Facts and has moved onto Perception. The Perception of Impropriety is there now. No matter how much 2 Alts want to deflect the matter back into the Proof stage the facts of the matter stand. Fact BoB has been accused in the past of insider Developer Help Fact BoB has Consistently and vehemently denied these Accusations Fact BoB has been outed for a single instance of Developer Help and Proven to have Active Developers in it's Upper leadership The Fact that this chain of Events happens causes a more serious chain of accusations that may or may not be provable. Thus the Perception stands ergo BoB = Cheaters Regardless if this true on the Macro or micro scale within BoB itself. The legions of BoB forums ***s have not come forward with any reasonable defense since the story broke. Ergo perception is they have been either Gagged internally, externally, or have no defense that can be reasonably used to prove their own innocence. (apologies to blacklight and Avon who have both stepped forward) Also the simple fact that so many corporate unknowns are stepping up to defend BoB creates the perception that boB is using Alts to muddy the waters with the simple "You can't prove it it must be untrue argument." The Problem here is that since single event that was easily traceable by CCP has been proven true, and the confession we got wasn't a confession it was coerced by public pressure that the rest of the allegations must be true also. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:28:00 - [115] Originally by: Kyra Azor Originally by: Cosmic Blunder Get off yours and present evidence. I say it again. There is evidence t20 gave RKK directors (dimensionZ in particular) some intel (not about Serpentis event as Edde Bebbi tried to twist it) then he shared them with the rest of the RKK directors. Sure we don't know what that intel was and how it affected alliance politics in the EVE universe. And we don't have the means to check. That's CCP's job. But suspicion is enough for the public to be angry. That's why a thorough and open investigation is needed to prove if those under suspicion (RKK directors and t20) are innocent or guilty of this particular "crime". I am sorry I had to post basically the same thing 4-5 times in this thread, but I am sick of some trying to twist facts, and then say there are no evidence. Again, CCP has posted and stated, that after an investigation there isn't enough evidence to support those allegations. What they did discover was dealt with. The "proof" you talk about comes from a hacker with malicious intent. Just because a small part of it has some truth to it doesnt make it the whole truth, nor does it make it 100% accurate.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:31:00 - [116] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 12/02/2007 13:28:12 Originally by: MotherTrucka oo bad this has stopped being about Facts and has moved onto Perception. The Perception of Impropriety is there now. No matter how much 2 Alts want to deflect the matter back into the Proof stage the facts of the matter stand. Fact BoB has been accused in the past of insider Developer Help Fact BoB has Consistently and vehemently denied these Accusations Fact BoB has been outed for a single instance of Developer Help and Proven to have Active Developers in it's Upper leadership The Fact that this chain of Events happens causes a more serious chain of accusations that may or may not be provable. Thus the Perception stands ergo BoB = Cheaters Regardless if this true on the Macro or micro scale within BoB itself. The legions of BoB forums *****s have not come forward with any reasonable defense since the story broke. Ergo perception is they have been either Gagged internally, externally, or have no defense that can be reasonably used to prove their own innocence. (apologies to blacklight and Avon who have both stepped forward) Also the simple fact that so many corporate unknowns are stepping up to defend BoB creates the perception that boB is using Alts to muddy the waters with the simple "You can't prove it it must be untrue argument." The Problem here is that since single event that was easily traceable by CCP has been proven true, and the confession we got wasn't a confession it was coerced by public pressure that the rest of the allegations must be true also. Never take up law. You cant possibly say "They were accused of A & B, denied it and unknowingly B was actually true therefore A is true". People like the people in this thread are what makes documentarys such as "Short Change" so popular. I thought this game attracted a higher caliber of intellect but no, its the same alarmist conspiricy theory nutjobs as WoW and every other internet community.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:31:00 - [117] Edited by: Dekiri on 12/02/2007 13:29:05 Hey dude this is not a court... this is the mob that wants uncle bob's head... evidence and probabilities are definitly enough to flame, and we are not really talking about justice as you would look for it in real life. The fact that the chances are very high that this is not everything BoB got helped with are enough to make BoB guilty in eve. This is the great thing about the "Game" part. We do not need absolute proof to behead people. It is the great pendulum that now swings in the other side like it is the nature of a pendulum =) --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Zantazar Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:35:00 - [118] Well, CosmicBlunder Nocorpticker, and Edde Bebbe, we do like our caps key don't we. I must visit the doctor as I happen to be ONE OF THOSE SICK PEOPLE. Bringing up certain alleged misdemenours from the past by other alliances is simply attempting to hijack the thread away from the main point. There were many rumours and accusations against BOB during the war, I personally never believed any of them as I always regarded CYVOK (and certain others) as arrogant, and they would say anything to weasel out of a situation. However, now that certain matters have come to light, a think that a thorough investigation that is open to the EVE public is required. It is obvious that the above mentioned posters have their own agenda for not pursuing this. I feel that the overwhelming EVE base will demand it. It is correct in principle, and you know it. Flame away. I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:40:00 - [119] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 12/02/2007 13:28:12 Never take up law. You cant possibly say "They were accused of A & B, denied it and unknowingly B was actually true therefore A is true". People like the people in this thread are what makes documentarys such as "Short Change" so popular. I thought this game attracted a higher caliber of intellect but no, its the same alarmist conspiricy theory nutjobs as WoW and every other internet community. This has nothing to do with Laws, It has to do with perceptions. I have nothing against BoB personally, I have no hidden agenda. My Beef is with CCP over the entire matter. The Simple fact is the perception of impropriety is the killer as BoBs entire Forum Campaigning is based on swaying public Perception I find it Ironic they are on the other side of the pendulum now. It stopped being a conspiracy theory when it became true. Just because you think it an alarmist conspiracy theory doesn't negate the fact that it happened and Perception has swung against your way of thinking. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
TrippyX3	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:41:00 - [120] Originally by: Zantazar Well, CosmicBlunder Nocorpticker, and Edde Bebbe, we do like our caps key don't we. I must visit the doctor as I happen to be ONE OF THOSE SICK PEOPLE. Bringing up certain alleged misdemenours from the past by other alliances is simply attempting to hijack the thread away from the main point. There were many rumours and accusations against BOB during the war, I personally never believed any of them as I always regarded CYVOK (and certain others) as arrogant, and they would say anything to weasel out of a situation. However, now that certain matters have come to light, a think that a thorough investigation that is open to the EVE public is required. It is obvious that the above mentioned posters have their own agenda for not pursuing this. I feel that the overwhelming EVE base will demand it. It is correct in principle, and you know it. Flame away. so this is where you've been hiding Zan....

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