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foxden Russian Specnaz Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:43:00 - [61] ISS are guilty in loss of stations. While they were engaged in trade, instead of war all it was good. As soon as they have attacked on IAC. They have signed to themselves the death sentence.
IamBen Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:47:00 - [62] really a shame. The idea of non-allied deep space public stations was an awesome idea. Unfortunately, you are always going to get people who will try to destroy things they just cant grasp. GL Serenity in future adventures.
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:15:00 - [63] Originally by: foxden ISS are guilty in loss of stations. While they were engaged in trade, instead of war all it was good. As soon as they have attacked on IAC. They have signed to themselves the death sentence. How does selling the only assets that can be attacked while maintaining the core business through the IPO count as a death sentence? IAC can be destroyed, to destroy ISS would require huge, targeted manipulation of the markets over the long term to destroy the investment capital contained in the IPO, not an easy thing to do.
Boosthungry Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:24:00 - [64] ISS you guys did a great service in laying the foundation for the south. IMO it takes a great deal of effort to remain neutral, a nearly impossible amount of effort. It is hard to be placed in the middle of a war zone and supply support to both sides, like trying to be Switzerland in the middle of a war between France and Germany. One aspect of a war is to stop the supply of arms to the enemy. In order to be that neutral party you have to prove to be worth your weight in gold to both sides. Soon as one side sees you being worth more to the other their loyalty will start to sway, and we all saw that happen over time, after that it took little to spark tension. And that led us to where we stand today. Bottom line, you guys did a great job to keep your neutrality for as long as you did. And you proved to be a great adversary when it came time to choose sides. /me tips his hat.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:04:00 - [65] Ammm.... this is no disbandment of ISS... this thread is like Oh! ISS is gone... They are only closing their outpost corporations... ISS still exists.... Tho.. Algey has left ISSN? As much as ISS caused their own downfall, its way too early to close the book. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Karch System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:25:00 - [66] ISS isn't dead, but they main part of what everyone was familiar with ISS (The Outposts) are dead. So, to most members of EVE, who wasn't friends, or talked to ISS, and only docked in their stations, ISS is dead. ISSN is as good as dead. The Officers and then plenty of others left the Corp - I am surprised there is still a person posting in this thread in the Corp. It fell hard, and it fell fast. ---------
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:37:00 - [67] o7 Retired [ISSN] [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Karch ISSN is as good as dead. The Officers and then plenty of others left the Corp - I am surprised there is still a person posting in this thread in the Corp. It fell hard, and it fell fast. last i checked, officers stepped up to replace the ones that left and we are having a great time pvping. not very often we can get to fire our salvos into a Nyx that ends up a carcass! not many of us post on these forums, doesn't mean we're not all active. i just have waaaaayyy too many monitors.. gotta fill the extra displays with something. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.19 22:47:00 - [69] ISS is still fighting hard in C3-, with support from LV they have managed to hang on there for a good while now. I know KOS and IAC along with GOONs and others have been constantly harrassing ISS. ISS is still in 0.0 and still fighting. Not sure what is to come next. Eventually ISS may fall back out of C3-, (which i hope happens but give my respect to ISS for holding there as long as they have) or ISS may remain and be stronger as a PVP force due to all the constant combat. On a side note: several non-IAC people in the Catch region have mentioned that the space is much safer with active Pirate hunting and all the stations there remain open under an NRDS policy. For the average joe spaceman in Catch they would notice fewer hostiles, and the same station services as before. I have no idea what the D2 Station and UK station are set to or the space conditions there.
Karch System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.02.20 05:53:00 - [70] Quote: last i checked, officers stepped up to replace the ones that left and we are having a great time pvping. not very often we can get to fire our salvos into a Nyx that ends up a carcass! I left the day after all the Directors quit. The morale was low, we were scattered all over space, and it didn't look good. I am glad you guys are back out there and fighting, good to see that the Navy didn't die despite what was going on. ---------

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 08:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Thundirr On a side note: several non-IAC people in the Catch region have mentioned that the space is much safer with active Pirate hunting and all the stations there remain open under an NRDS policy. For the average joe spaceman in Catch they would notice fewer hostiles, and the same station services as before. I have no idea what the D2 Station and UK station are set to or the space conditions there. Hardly any thing to do with iss more of the local pirats such as -a- and others are bussy killing bob and not random sods, nice properganda tho Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2007.02.20 08:45:00 - [72] I personally wonder how much was siphoned off by "those in power" over 1.5 years of dealing with billions if not trillions of other peoples isk. I wonder how much isk found it's ways into game cards for Serenity and friends. I wonder how much still overflows their personal coffers? I wonder how much changed hands via ebay. I wonder. Yes... ISS sure changed EvE. Just like Enron changed corporate America. Unfortunatley there is no higher power in EvE like the criminal justice system to hold those in the ISS board personally accountable for ineptitude. Taikun
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:02:00 - [73] Originally by: Taikun I personally wonder how much was siphoned off by "those in power" over 1.5 years of dealing with billions if not trillions of other peoples isk. I wonder how much isk found it's ways into game cards for Serenity and friends. I wonder how much still overflows their personal coffers? I wonder how much changed hands via ebay. I wonder. Yes... ISS sure changed EvE. Just like Enron changed corporate America. Unfortunatley there is no higher power in EvE like the criminal justice system to hold those in the ISS board personally accountable for ineptitude. Taikun You wonder to much, Serenity is a very honest player and the thought of her taking/selling/used ISS funds for her own gain in laughable. ---------- The internet: Where Men are Men, girls are men, and 14 year olds are Government Agents
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:42:00 - [74] Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: Taikun I personally wonder how much was siphoned off by "those in power" over 1.5 years of dealing with billions if not trillions of other peoples isk. I wonder how much isk found it's ways into game cards for Serenity and friends. I wonder how much still overflows their personal coffers? I wonder how much changed hands via ebay. I wonder. Yes... ISS sure changed EvE. Just like Enron changed corporate America. Unfortunatley there is no higher power in EvE like the criminal justice system to hold those in the ISS board personally accountable for ineptitude. Taikun You wonder to much, Serenity is a very honest player and the thought of her taking/selling/used ISS funds for her own gain in laughable. I'm guessing you can't say the same for Count T or did you just forget him? (Sorry had to do it) On topic: I guess it was to be expected. The way the political landscape has changed lately hasn't really been good for the publicly owned outposts, so I guess this was the best/only outcome possible. I've had some good fights with ISS and hopefully I'll get a few more... Oh and in line with all my previous posts regarding this - this happens when you get me banned Count... ____________ Coming soon...
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2007.02.20 11:15:00 - [75] Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 11:13:23 Originally by: Amith Silvermoon You wonder to much, Serenity is a very honest player and the thought of her taking/selling/used ISS funds for her own gain in laughable. Seems to me the very nature of ISS foreign policy changed dramatically from it original inception. I am asking why. Was this really a "whoopsie daisy" regarding relations with ISS's neighbours? Or was it intentional misdirection aimed at pulling the wool over shareholders eyes to accept less than what is due to them? Laughable Amith Silvermoon? I find laughing at the misfortune of hundreds of investors while a select few upper level ISS directors make off a literal killing to be mean spirited. For shame on you. Was it ISS's leaderships intentional decision to implode ISS via **** poor foreign relations that is costing the shareholders billions? I'd suggest that those that beneifted the most from ISS demise are those like Count T, and other high profile ISS members and directors. They didn't make a mistake. THIS was a PLANNED course of action to fold ISS. Scuttle ISS, pay off scared and concerned investors 50% on their invested dollar and scamper off with the rest. Thanksgiving came early for these select few. I am sure that they will never have to paid another cent to play EvE ever again with the isk amassed over 1.5 years of deception. Taikun
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 11:35:00 - [76] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 11:13:23 Originally by: Amith Silvermoon You wonder to much, Serenity is a very honest player and the thought of her taking/selling/used ISS funds for her own gain in laughable. Seems to me the very nature of ISS foreign policy changed dramatically from it original inception. I am asking why. Was this really a "whoopsie daisy" regarding relations with ISS's neighbours? Or was it intentional misdirection aimed at pulling the wool over shareholders eyes to accept less than what is due to them? Laughable Amith Silvermoon? I find laughing at the misfortune of hundreds of investors while a select few upper level ISS directors make off a literal killing to be mean spirited. For shame on you. Was it ISS's leaderships intentional decision to implode ISS via **** poor foreign relations that is costing the shareholders billions? I'd suggest that those that beneifted the most from ISS demise are those like Count T, and other high profile ISS members and directors. They didn't make a mistake. THIS was a PLANNED course of action to fold ISS. Scuttle ISS, pay off scared and concerned investors 50% on their invested dollar and scamper off with the rest. Thanksgiving came early for these select few. I am sure that they will never have to paid another cent to play EvE ever again with the isk amassed over 1.5 years of deception. Taikun SLAP bad puppy. ISS has not imploded, however the station companies have folded, with investors being paid more than the shares in those companies were worth (anyone say toilet paper). It was hardly poor foreign policy that was the problem, more getting targeted by the entire anti BoB coalition as one of their first acts. The amusing part of that is that it forced the whole of ISS into LV space, rather than leaving them neutral, but that is another thread. The IPO is still very much running, and making people a lot of isk. You sir need a tinfoil hat upgrade.
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 11:56:00 - [77] Originally by: maGz I'm guessing you can't say the same for Count T or did you just forget him? (Sorry had to do it) Errrr no comment ---------- The internet: Where Men are Men, girls are men, and 14 year olds are Government Agents
DALE0404 Blue Star Brotherhood Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:18:00 - [78] I am very much looking forward to the next payment from the IPO for my corp.... very profitable it will be! That goes the same for ALL the investors in the IPO, not just me. Amith, I am wondering why.....?
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:49:00 - [79] Originally by: Taikun I personally wonder how much was siphoned off by "those in power" over 1.5 years of dealing with billions if not trillions of other peoples isk. I wonder how much isk found it's ways into game cards for Serenity and friends. I wonder how much still overflows their personal coffers? I wonder how much changed hands via ebay. I wonder. Yes... ISS sure changed EvE. Just like Enron changed corporate America. Unfortunatley there is no higher power in EvE like the criminal justice system to hold those in the ISS board personally accountable for ineptitude. Taikun Let me rest your wonderings. The answer to all your questions is 0.00 ISK Please don't be so rude as to project your own subjective experiences onto the trustworthyness of my management of ISS Funds, which are without exception 100% without personal gain. Proof or STFU. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.20 14:06:00 - [80] Edited by: maGz on 20/02/2007 14:09:18 Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: maGz I'm guessing you can't say the same for Count T or did you just forget him? (Sorry had to do it) Errrr no comment Not the response I expected One wonders... EDIT: With that in mind - wouldn't it be wise to "remove" Count T.'s access to the ISSO funds (not even sure he actually has access, although I assume he has re. his position as ISS Chairman)? He has been deemed one of the main reasons to the way things have gone, and with a response like this from an ex ISSN pilot (officer?), investors might be better off knowing that he is not in any way able to get a hold of the ISSO funds. I know this might be considered trolling, however it is a valid concern, especially since apparently (depending on how you want to read Amith's response) Count T. cannot be counted to be as trustworthy as Serenity Steele. ____________ Coming soon...

Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2007.02.20 14:16:00 - [81] Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 14:12:59 Originally by: Serenity Steele Let me rest your wonderings. The answer to all your questions is 0.00 ISK Please don't be so rude as to project your own subjective experiences onto the trustworthyness of my management of ISS Funds, which are without exception 100% without personal gain. Of course your main would have a 100% impeccible record. It is the activity behind the scenes with alts which would be most revealing. Your assertion that you spent 1.5 years managing trillions of isk without a 1 isk compensation for your time, effort and energy which is all the proof that is required. Any sane EvE citizen knows either you would have to be either Ghandi... or institutionalised if your statement was true. Taikun
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 15:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 14:12:59 Originally by: Serenity Steele Let me rest your wonderings. The answer to all your questions is 0.00 ISK Please don't be so rude as to project your own subjective experiences onto the trustworthyness of my management of ISS Funds, which are without exception 100% without personal gain. Of course your main would have a 100% impeccible record. It is the activity behind the scenes with alts which would be most revealing. Your assertion that you spent 1.5 years managing trillions of isk without a 1 isk compensation for your time, effort and energy which is all the proof that is required. Any sane EvE citizen knows either you would have to be either Ghandi... or institutionalised if your statement was true. Taikun Since you know ** all abut whats going on in the eve finance word, go get a clue here il explain it a bit for you. Since the birth of ipo's SS have invested in quit alot of them, so much he is a major share holder in quit a few, he is also direktly involved in makeing isk for many of said corperations. so to put it in a way you understand the more mony he earns for the corps he got shares in the more isk he makes, bit like haveing employee shares in real life. Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 15:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 14:12:59 Originally by: Serenity Steele Let me rest your wonderings. The answer to all your questions is 0.00 ISK Please don't be so rude as to project your own subjective experiences onto the trustworthyness of my management of ISS Funds, which are without exception 100% without personal gain. Of course your main would have a 100% impeccible record. It is the activity behind the scenes with alts which would be most revealing. Your assertion that you spent 1.5 years managing trillions of isk without a 1 isk compensation for your time, effort and energy which is all the proof that is required. Any sane EvE citizen knows either you would have to be either Ghandi... or institutionalised if your statement was true. Taikun Since you know ** all abut whats going on in the eve finance word, go get a clue here il explain it a bit for you. Since the birth of ipo's SS have invested in quit alot of them, so much he is a major share holder in quit a few, he is also direktly involved in makeing isk for many of said corperations. so to put it in a way you understand the more mony he earns for the corps he got shares in the more isk he makes, bit like haveing employee shares in real life. Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 16:05:00 - [84] Edited by: Amith Silvermoon on 20/02/2007 16:02:42 Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 20/02/2007 14:09:18 Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: maGz I'm guessing you can't say the same for Count T or did you just forget him? (Sorry had to do it) Errrr no comment Not the response I expected One wonders... EDIT: With that in mind - wouldn't it be wise to "remove" Count T.'s access to the ISSO funds (not even sure he actually has access, although I assume he has re. his position as ISS Chairman)? He has been deemed one of the main reasons to the way things have gone, and with a response like this from an ex ISSN pilot (officer?), investors might be better off knowing that he is not in any way able to get a hold of the ISSO funds. I know this might be considered trolling, however it is a valid concern, especially since apparently (depending on how you want to read Amith's response) Count T. cannot be counted to be as trustworthy as Serenity Steele. I was a senior member former officer, as yes it really how you view what i said. Its amazing how dropping the ISSN/ISS tag can get people talking about stuff you didnt know before, and open your eyes to thing they was formal closed too. Count a great guy, he was alway pretty damm open with the guys in ISSN about stuff and didnt offen dance around the edge of a subject. I never asked him out-right " So Count how much ISS money s lining your pocket". I would guess he would have laughed and said none but meh. But since ive left is read, seen and talked about thing that have lessened the respect i had for him. ---------- The internet: Where Men are Men, girls are men, and 14 year olds are Government Agents
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 16:05:00 - [85] Edited by: Amith Silvermoon on 20/02/2007 16:02:42 Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 20/02/2007 14:09:18 Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: maGz I'm guessing you can't say the same for Count T or did you just forget him? (Sorry had to do it) Errrr no comment Not the response I expected One wonders... EDIT: With that in mind - wouldn't it be wise to "remove" Count T.'s access to the ISSO funds (not even sure he actually has access, although I assume he has re. his position as ISS Chairman)? He has been deemed one of the main reasons to the way things have gone, and with a response like this from an ex ISSN pilot (officer?), investors might be better off knowing that he is not in any way able to get a hold of the ISSO funds. I know this might be considered trolling, however it is a valid concern, especially since apparently (depending on how you want to read Amith's response) Count T. cannot be counted to be as trustworthy as Serenity Steele. I was a senior member former officer, as yes it really how you view what i said. Its amazing how dropping the ISSN/ISS tag can get people talking about stuff you didnt know before, and open your eyes to thing they was formal closed too. Count a great guy, he was alway pretty damm open with the guys in ISSN about stuff and didnt offen dance around the edge of a subject. I never asked him out-right " So Count how much ISS money s lining your pocket". I would guess he would have laughed and said none but meh. But since ive left is read, seen and talked about thing that have lessened the respect i had for him. ---------- The internet: Where Men are Men, girls are men, and 14 year olds are Government Agents
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 16:23:00 - [86] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 20/02/2007 14:12:59 Originally by: Serenity Steele Let me rest your wonderings. The answer to all your questions is 0.00 ISK Please don't be so rude as to project your own subjective experiences onto the trustworthyness of my management of ISS Funds, which are without exception 100% without personal gain. Of course your main would have a 100% impeccible record. It is the activity behind the scenes with alts which would be most revealing. Your assertion that you spent 1.5 years managing trillions of isk without a 1 isk compensation for your time, effort and energy which is all the proof that is required. Any sane EvE citizen knows either you would have to be either Ghandi... or institutionalised if your statement was true. Taikun Since we've left ISSN it has been suggested that we were cowards, traitors, scumbags, general tossers and people who throw out their teddies randomly for no real reason. All of us left because of the treatment ISSN received, yet we are all here vouching for the financial integrity of ISS. Makes you think doesn't it.
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:20:00 - [87] This topic needs another Hobo. The new ISS IPO is a bit different from the station IPO's. But anyone with half a brain and an interest in ISK should see it's a good thing. I know and understand the IPO pretty well, and somehow it resembles my business out of Pod life pretty good also. If I had the ISK I would invest, then again, I was doing other stuff then making isk. now where did I leave that bin... Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:52:00 - [88] Originally by: Thundirr On a side note: several non-IAC people in the Catch region have mentioned that the space is much safer with active Pirate hunting and all the stations there remain open under an NRDS policy. For the average joe spaceman in Catch they would notice fewer hostiles, and the same station services as before. I have no idea what the D2 Station and UK station are set to or the space conditions there. While evacuating stuff from POS in Pure Blind, I noticed that P-2 (the former ISS Borealis outpost system) was consistently virtually empty. It would seem that D2 has removed a neutral* buffer state and not managed to put much in its place. * Yes, being shot at by everybody (including BoB) made me personally feel quite neutral....
Eiro Minmatar ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.20 19:39:00 - [89] Originally by: foxden As soon as they have attacked on IAC. I think if you bother to check, you would see it was IAC who attacked first. Eiro
neutralizer Caldari Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:57:00 - [90] After leaving ISSN, I've reflected on what happened to ISS. My conclusion was that ISS should not have had the Count as its military, industrial, and financial leader. He can only be an expert in a few fields and his "expertise" in the other fields lead to some poor decisions. However, I still believe in the vision of ISS and still find ISS management as group of trustworthy people who I doubt embezzled any of the IPO funds. Good luck with your future, ISS.



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