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Evenfall Phoenix
Drones of Annihilation
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 05:27:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Count Rayken
Yeah, I saw 6 of em in BS camping Agil today. We had a gang not but 6 jumps away willing to fight them and they: Ran. *gasp*
unbelievable rite?
No. They will only engage when its 2:1 their odds. Its not rumor. Its fact.
Dotn get me wrong though, because I would do almost the same thing you do, except use Dif tactics. For example, the wardec everyone while they are dukeing it out in 0.0 in the biggest war ever fought: was a good idea. If I were an Empire dweller i would do that too.
Its just your tactics during the war I disagree ith.
As much as I like you IRON guys you are wrong here. It is not a fact. DofA while in Privateers tood on a Myriad gang double our numbers. I'd have to dig through the killboards to show you all the losses myriad took (they were almost all in Battleships and the like). You "fact" is thus automaticaly disproven. Stop basing your opinions on the senseless garbage you read on the forums. Yes, many of the Privateers are solo hauler gankers... so blame the haulers for not scouting properly, yes some are mission runner killers... so make your mission runners more able to recognize a gank. But there's also a large number of PvP corps in the Privateers that will rove around looking for a fight, and if they happen to catch a hauler, well, would you pass up on an enemy hauler?
I had a great time in Privateers, I know many of the other PvP corps are enjoying their time as well. For you to dismiss the entire alliance based on the actions of a few is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
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easei
Caldari
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 05:39:00 -
[62]
Edited by: easei on 26/02/2007 05:35:45
And thus the problem with the EVE forum community is that I'd estimate only half read the forums and the other half how do really don't and miss all constructive posts.
Lets try this multiple choice test
QUESTION 1 "Empire Gatecamping for dummies"
The reason the priviteers gank haulers because:
A> they are there and flash brigh red on the overview and are filled with loot
B> priviteers are ALL bad pvpers and thats all they know how to do.
C> haulers are the only ships people fly in empire
D> both A + C
Now lets apply the same logic to
QUESTION 2 "0.0 Alliance gate camping for dummies"
In a 0.0 alliance gate camp you dont shoot haulers because:
A> you camp in systems you hold sovrignty in/near therefore no onther alliance has a reason to haul things to that location.
B> You see uber ammounts of haulers in your camp, but dont shoot them because the are defenseless.
C> You shoot the living **** out of anything regardless of wether its red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or violet on the overview and ask questions later.
D> Both A + C You shoot anything that moves, but because there is less chacnce you'll ever see a hauler you don't get to shoot them, but would when give half a chance.
So this leads to
BONUS for extra credit "who is the better pvper"
A> the alliance for shooting anything that moves
B> why can't we just be friends
C> the priviteers because they shoot anything that moves
D> A+C they are the same because targets, are targets, are targets regardless of the type of ship they are?
Answers will follow
edit small typo fix
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:21:00 -
[63]
your trying to portray privateers as proper pvpers by suggesing all alliances do is camp gates and avoid fair fights?
i have more respect for the carebears mining with dreads in 0.1-0.4 than i do for people who gank without risk in empire.
atleast the carebear mining dread is taking some risks
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Templer Relleg
x13
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:31:00 -
[64]
You guys dont get it.
I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. I dont sit at any pos, or sit in 100-man gang at a ss, being asked to log off.
Nodes dont crash. The only thing that crashes, is the war targets' ships.
All this 0.0 stuff and all this with BoD *****ed me up. And seeing that empire is so much more fun(Sure, docking games can be crap, hence why i never attack at stations), im not likely to go to 0.0 anymore.
I have also had so much better fights in empire. I guess its because people underestimate us.
There sure is people who camp jita 4-4, cos there is so many targets in there. I respect that they do that. It doesnt float my boat. I roam around.
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Templer Relleg
x13
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:33:00 -
[65]
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
your trying to portray privateers as proper pvpers by suggesing all alliances do is camp gates and avoid fair fights?
i have more respect for the carebears mining with dreads in 0.1-0.4 than i do for people who gank without risk in empire.
atleast the carebear mining dread is taking some risks
Undocking at 4-4 or at Rens station 8 is a huge risk.
I fly with risk all the time, as i solo alot. Yesterday i got blobbed in my brutix, but managed to get away even tho they got me trapped inside a 2-way system. They had at least a 15man gang.
Now tell me that isnt quite a risk.
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THEDON1
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:42:00 -
[66]
Edited by: THEDON1 on 26/02/2007 06:40:37
npc hauler alt 4tw 
edit: forgot to mention MWD 4tw as well ;)
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WilliamH Bonney
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:48:00 -
[67]
What I don't like about what the Privateers do is it uses an in game mechanic to do something that is not it's purpose. Empire wars were never meant to allow 1 Alliance to attack, or get attacked, by 20 or 30 others. It is EMPIRE WARS. Corp Vs. Corp, or Alliance vs. Alliance, in Empire. The way PA has "Declared War" on about all of Eve's 0.0 alliances, well, that's not a war. That is quite simply put high sec pirating... Now, if PA actually declared war on other Empire entities, that live and breath purely in Empire, then I would call it an actual declaration of war.
I honestly think that the Dev's are looking over the War Deccing system, mainly because of Privateers. We'll see what happens though.
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Xori Ruscuv
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 07:11:00 -
[68]
Originally by: WilliamH Bonney
I honestly think that the Dev's are looking over the War Deccing system, mainly because of Privateers. We'll see what happens though.
Where is it said that the devs are looking into revising the wardec system?
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Minigin
Caldari
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.26 07:39:00 -
[69]
what i got from this post was... this guy likes to gank things that really cant fight back... and he risks plenty of t2 frigs...
let me point out why the eve community has little if any respect for privateers. they are always safe in their empire hidouts. in 0.0 if you are on the offencive you are rarely fortunate enough to have a safe place you can sit in indefinatly while you are being scanned for. in empire... everytime you are outnumbered or outclassed... you just dock and scream in local about how much 'blobing suxorz'
the risks you take with your ships are miniscule compared to the risks alliances take in 0.0. outposts and pos's cost far more than your stupid little ishkur! we dont have time to come up and hand your arse to you while we are trying to defend our assets
so in the end... you will gank small expencive stuff knowing that if alliance send a real force you will just dock and log. dont prettend for a second thats not what you do.
privateers desperatly need to find somthing else to do with their time cos they clearly have way too much time to gank haulers and bantams in empire.
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Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:10:00 -
[70]
I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
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Xori Ruscuv
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:11:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36
SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they ***** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway).
So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives.
And what do these people do? They cry some more.
Good show Privateers! 
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:13:00 -
[72]
So much hate in this thread, and most of it from whiney 0.0 alliance tools who have so much money that their "risk" is based upon the time it takes them to get a new ship to the blob fest.
See, I can generalize too.
To put it bluntly, those complaining about the Privateers in this thread are either talking out of their asses, have a personal bias (possibly due to getting caught in a hauler without escort) or simply like to flame. It has been said many times in this thread that the Privateers are not one unified alliance, but rather a loose confederation of corps. Thus they don't usually fight together, and thus saying "Privateers only camp Jita 4-4" is about as intelligent as saying "0.0 alliances only farm plexes all day" or "BoB only fly titans all the time".
Ffs, try to loosen up and realize that this is a game. The Privateers have fun doing what they do. To my understanding it is not really an effective business, as the amount of cash that goes into keeping the deccs active and replace ships is well above the value of dropped loot. They play for fun. Why don't you?
/Ki
Haven't got one yet?
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:15:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Death Merchant
I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance!
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Xori Ruscuv
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:17:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ki An
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They play for fun. Why don't you?
Well put :)
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:20:00 -
[75]
Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 08:16:37
Originally by: Ki An
So much hate in this thread, and most of it from whiney 0.0 alliance tools who have so much money that their "risk" is based upon the time it takes them to get a new ship to the blob fest.
See, I can generalize too.
To put it bluntly, those complaining about the Privateers in this thread are either talking out of their asses, have a personal bias (possibly due to getting caught in a hauler without escort) or simply like to flame. It has been said many times in this thread that the Privateers are not one unified alliance, but rather a loose confederation of corps. Thus they don't usually fight together, and thus saying "Privateers only camp Jita 4-4" is about as intelligent as saying "0.0 alliances only farm plexes all day" or "BoB only fly titans all the time".
Ffs, try to loosen up and realize that this is a game. The Privateers have fun doing what they do. To my understanding it is not really an effective business, as the amount of cash that goes into keeping the deccs active and replace ships is well above the value of dropped loot. They play for fun. Why don't you?
/Ki
Actually we manage to keep a decent profit. I won't talk numbers, and it's not the reason for ours doings, but let me put it this way. Our 5 man active player corporation (with alts and what follows) earn enough to be able to buy ourselves a smaller capital ship every 2nd week. We just don't buy 'em since we have no actual use for them.
And thanks for actually understanding what the post was about and posting constructively!
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Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: JMcClane
Originally by: Death Merchant
I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance!
Please describe what your corporation thinks of as a challenge? Im thinking that your idea of a challenge and my idea are worlds apart.
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Doctor Octagon
Amarr
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:27:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Doctor Octagon on 26/02/2007 08:24:28
O hail great forum warriors from the deep dark 0,0.
Thy are the greatest, and us wannabepvpers, hauling, newbgankers from 4-4 are not worthy thy attention. Please save us from thy forum terror, and evil revenge when thy great New Eden southern war ends.
Spare us please, we mean no harm.
O great ones in Agil, hear my plea and wait for us to outnumber you 2 too one, and we will undock.
For your info Agil has about 28 Wartargets too us at most times, so outblobbing you 2-1 will prob never happen, maybe we can engage you 1-2 rather sometime there.
The irony is also reaching its climax when we are hunted of gangs containing people who are at war with each other in 0,0.
Your disrespect for other players playing by the rules are patethic, stop the whining and flaming you dont have a slightest clue what we are doing.
Sorry for us playing your game people. And continue spreading the love on the forums.
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:35:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Minigin
what i got from this post was... this guy likes to gank things that really cant fight back... and he risks plenty of t2 frigs...
let me point out why the eve community has little if any respect for privateers. they are always safe in their empire hidouts. in 0.0 if you are on the offencive you are rarely fortunate enough to have a safe place you can sit in indefinatly while you are being scanned for. in empire... everytime you are outnumbered or outclassed... you just dock and scream in local about how much 'blobing suxorz'
the risks you take with your ships are miniscule compared to the risks alliances take in 0.0. outposts and pos's cost far more than your stupid little ishkur! we dont have time to come up and hand your arse to you while we are trying to defend our assets
so in the end... you will gank small expencive stuff knowing that if alliance send a real force you will just dock and log. dont prettend for a second thats not what you do.
privateers desperatly need to find somthing else to do with their time cos they clearly have way too much time to gank haulers and bantams in empire.
I can understand what you base your comment on. Yes we do fly a lot of t2 frigates, especially intercept... Theres a perfectly good reason for that.
Take person A... He's just bought his abaddon in Jita, and is moving it to Amarr. If he's halfway smart while being at war with 600 targets in empire he fit his low slots with either nano/inertia's or warp core stabs.
Do we want to shoot this defenceless bastard down in his abaddon. Offcourse we do. Just to point out that it is a joke that it takes 5-6 men to tacke down an abaddon. Just to prove that he can't fly safe, even though HE chooses to dodge the fight!
Take person B. He's in his hauler. Jumping through the gate that he hasn't scouted he will find our camp. Again... if he's half way smart he's fitted with nano/inertia/stabs. The most common action by haulers and transport ships getting caught is a quick Ctrl+Q while cloaked. This makes them warp away within 30 seconds of decloaking... Meaning we need the firepower and the points to keep him in check and shoot him down fast... Normally, this happens... which leads us to
... Person C, in his Viator blockade runner. He can 1. MWD to gate with 2.5k a sec (fast triple web required to prevent him from this) 2. Be fitted with inertia's and try to warp off (Which requires you to throw 3 points on him within a split second. 3. Be stabbed out which means you have to put 6 points on him before he warps. 4. Log off as the hauler guy did.
in short you need to be able to lock the target within a second, apply 3-4 webs and 6 points and hope he didn't log off so his precious transport ship disappears after 30 seconds!
You would have found if you had visited us in Kaaputenen where a few Privateer corporations recently had their base of operations that we would bring whatever needed to the fight if we had a decent chance of getting out with a decent result. You would find that our battlecruisers and battleships were flown and lost in an effergy of light sound and explosions, followed by laughter and cheers on ts over a perhaps not successfull engagement, but never the less fun! You would also find us going up against gangs twice our numbers, though we weren't certain we would be able to take them down.
The risk we take may not involve 30-40 billion isk investments in some stationary object that we would have no joy off... no... you are right... We don't take that risk... Why would we.
We do however risk the constantly larger amount of gank squads moving around empire such as Omniscent Order or the like. They may be hired, may be thought of as mercenaries or what do I know, but I'll tell you what they do.
They bait, they blob, they kill... No guts and glory to be found there either mate. Though they are a constant and higher risk towards our precious T2 frigates!
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:52:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: JMcClane
Originally by: Death Merchant
I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance!
Please describe what your corporation thinks of as a challenge? Im thinking that your idea of a challenge and my idea are worlds apart.
A challenging fight
1. We have even numbers in even ship sizes.
2. We are outnumbered, but perhaps with bigger some bigger ships to even the score.
3. We are outnumbered, but can strike at the right time making the opposition panic and fail.
4. Flying 80+ jumps through Venal, Tenal, Branch, Deklein, Fade, Cloud Ring through setup bubble camps without taking losses and whilst having fun. (and shoot stuff offcourse)
5. Flying 80+ jumps through Querious, Delve, Period Basis, Fountain, Paragon Soul.... without taking losses and whilst having fun. (and shoot stuff offcourse)
I'll tell you a little story from only 2 days ago. We flew in a 7 man frig gang (yes, we don't fly 7 man battleships into hostile 0.0 space as we'd never stand any chance to get out). Our 7 man gang fly through Taisy, and visit an alliance which name I shall not mention, but who have a station 5-6 jumps out of there, AFTER we bypassed their bubble camp at the 0.0 entrance. We find ourselves a Raven there (station system 6 jumps out), on gate. We assault it, we take him to structure. He ejects and we secure the raven at a safespot. Our 7 frigs are now assaulted by 2 myrmidons. We tackle and use our new found raven to take one down. The other warp out. We now get 2 Taranis's trying to scout us out and take our tacklers down... We take them out.
Now here comes the challenge in it as I see it! Flying into hostile 0.0 in 7 frigs stumbling upon a battleship. Being camped in by interdictors and 2x15 man large hostile gangs covering our only 2 exits. Staying there to fight them even though we are aware of the camps closing in on us to lock us down. It's a challenge to try and get our new found Raven out. It's a challenge to get the 2 pilots in pods back safely to empire while interdictors pursue them. It's a challenge to take down the interdictor pilot with his support ony 15 seconds behind him, still we did.
Unfortunately we did not secure the T2 fitted raven. We did however secure our remaining ships and pods though the opposition had 30 men chasing us, with every opportunity to make this mission extremely hard for us. We did however have a huge laugh about the whole situation, as the close to 50 hostiles in local did not manage to stop us in our attempt to disrupt their 0.0 live, kill them off, and make a profit in doing so.
I'll be looking forward to seeing you fly through 30 privateers in one system with your 5 man gang (2 in pods). Only thing is, the comparison isn't fair as we can't deploy them nice and glowing bubbles which were used when we visited these guys!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:01:00 -
[80]
Originally by: JMcClane
Originally by: Death Merchant
I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance!
Part of the problem seems to be that people who live in 0.0 don't allow for the distinction between 'corporation' and alliance. You are part of an alliance, and therefore jointly responsible for the behaviour of your fellow alliance members. The reason many alliances frown on smacking in local for example is because it reflects bad on 'The alliance'. Even if its just the retards in Corp XYZ doing the smacktalking, everyone in the alliance that corp XYZ is in 'share the reputation'.
Of course its only a matter of time before people adapt. Pickings will get less as people adapt and use noobcorp alts and OOC freighter pilots. That's the disadvantage of the Privateer tactic, its easy to avoid with a bit of adaptation.
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
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Minigin
Caldari
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:01:00 -
[81]
Originally by: JMcClane
I can understand what you base your comment on. Yes we do fly a lot of t2 frigates, especially intercept... Theres a perfectly good reason for that.
Take person A... He's just bought his abaddon in Jita, and is moving it to Amarr. If he's halfway smart while being at war with 600 targets in empire he fit his low slots with either nano/inertia's or warp core stabs.
Do we want to shoot this defenceless bastard down in his abaddon. Offcourse we do. Just to point out that it is a joke that it takes 5-6 men to tacke down an abaddon. Just to prove that he can't fly safe, even though HE chooses to dodge the fight!
Take person B. He's in his hauler. Jumping through the gate that he hasn't scouted he will find our camp. Again... if he's half way smart he's fitted with nano/inertia/stabs. The most common action by haulers and transport ships getting caught is a quick Ctrl+Q while cloaked. This makes them warp away within 30 seconds of decloaking... Meaning we need the firepower and the points to keep him in check and shoot him down fast... Normally, this happens... which leads us to
... Person C, in his Viator blockade runner. He can 1. MWD to gate with 2.5k a sec (fast triple web required to prevent him from this) 2. Be fitted with inertia's and try to warp off (Which requires you to throw 3 points on him within a split second. 3. Be stabbed out which means you have to put 6 points on him before he warps. 4. Log off as the hauler guy did.
in short you need to be able to lock the target within a second, apply 3-4 webs and 6 points and hope he didn't log off so his precious transport ship disappears after 30 seconds!
You would have found if you had visited us in Kaaputenen where a few Privateer corporations recently had their base of operations that we would bring whatever needed to the fight if we had a decent chance of getting out with a decent result. You would find that our battlecruisers and battleships were flown and lost in an effergy of light sound and explosions, followed by laughter and cheers on ts over a perhaps not successfull engagement, but never the less fun! You would also find us going up against gangs twice our numbers, though we weren't certain we would be able to take them down.
The risk we take may not involve 30-40 billion isk investments in some stationary object that we would have no joy off... no... you are right... We don't take that risk... Why would we.
We do however risk the constantly larger amount of gank squads moving around empire such as Omniscent Order or the like. They may be hired, may be thought of as mercenaries or what do I know, but I'll tell you what they do.
They bait, they blob, they kill... No guts and glory to be found there either mate. Though they are a constant and higher risk towards our precious T2 frigates!
i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap.
i do comend those of you that do risk your bigger ships however... i have seen a couple of lone bc's doing their thing... but on the whole... PA dont take risks
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Bermag
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:07:00 -
[82]
Like always as soon as someone from Privateers post the thread get filled with flames. You have really made yourself a lot of enemies
Anyway, I am curious about one thing how Privateer operates:
You say each corp pays 50 mill / week in fees to cover the cost of war decs. In other posts I have seen people from Privateer saying that you war dec only those alliances/corps where someone pays for the war dec. So what are you doing, war dec those who you feel deserve it (for whatever reason, being good targets, annoying or what vever) and pay for it yourself or do you choose to wardec only those where you have someone paying for the wardec?
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:11:00 -
[83]
Quote:
i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap.
i do comend those of you that do risk your bigger ships however... i have seen a couple of lone bc's doing their thing... but on the whole... PA dont take risks
So what Privateers have going here is part tech I goon tactic, part regular expensive ships in warfare. We have and fly tech II battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers, command ships and recons as we need to. WE adjust to the enemy we see in empire. The risk we take are equal to the risk you bring!
I'll give you one thing. The swarm of Tech I frigs are by my standards a joke.
I've had some... well.. not discussions, but smaller quarrels with some of the alliance members stopping by our camps/gangs, as I've told them to go fetch a proper ship. I see no reason to risk my expensively fitted ships (frigs to battleships) while a Merlin fires a few rounds and believe it earns him a fair share of the loot. That guy, no, does not take any risks. That guy is not welcomed in my gangs, or in many of the other gangs we have flying about. Because do remember that we are many smaller entities, not one!
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PC5
ClanKillers
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:14:00 -
[84]
Fighting with prepared enemy - good PvPers > Ganking in empire
Hail new m0o! Funny empire ppl...
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:15:00 -
[85]
What you do is within the rules, just as most the other greif tactics in the game.
But its greifing non the less.
What you do is bending the rules for something they where not intended to do. I hope CCP bring back the 'three wars' rule and make it apply to Alliances as well.
You are misusing the rules to get more empire wars aganist alliances going than is realistic for one corp to have. (You openly admidt that you only use the alliance to get this advantage.) If this turns into a trend CCP will have to nerf it to make it way more costly for you guys. (Risk vs. benifit have to be balanced, and its obviously not in this case, by you own admittance.)
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bermag
Like always as soon as someone from Privateers post the thread get filled with flames. You have really made yourself a lot of enemies
Anyway, I am curious about one thing how Privateer operates:
You say each corp pays 50 mill / week in fees to cover the cost of war decs. In other posts I have seen people from Privateer saying that you war dec only those alliances/corps where someone pays for the war dec. So what are you doing, war dec those who you feel deserve it (for whatever reason, being good targets, annoying or what vever) and pay for it yourself or do you choose to wardec only those where you have someone paying for the wardec?
I know this much. This is sheer facts.
1. Righteous Choirboys pay 50 million a week.
2. So would other member corporations.
3. I don't know who decides where the decs go from these money. The Directors I presume who pick larger alliances for more targets.
4. Outsiders who may have an interest in privateers shooting their enemies in empire pay for a few war decs.
5. Righteous Choirboys earn enough to sometimes throw 1-4 extra war decs a week as we please.
6. No alliances, no corporations are off limits. If you ask for a war dec, you get it... no matter who it may be!
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:23:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29
Originally by: JMcClane
Quote:
#2: We don't like fair fights.
#Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge...
2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us.
I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:25:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Templer Relleg
You guys dont get it.
I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. ...
And seeing that empire is so much more fun...
Maybe the reason for all that 'fun' is because there are no real opponents fighting back? Easy fights, easy kills? No risk of getting spanked if you mess up with the wrong people?
Sure you can do all that, but in my eyes it is nothing to be proud of. And I can't see the fun there either.
No risk no fun 
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JMcClane
Gallente
Righteous Choirboys
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:26:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Qual
What you do is within the rules, just as most the other greif tactics in the game.
But its greifing non the less.
What you do is bending the rules for something they where not intended to do. I hope CCP bring back the 'three wars' rule and make it apply to Alliances as well.
You are misusing the rules to get more empire wars aganist alliances going than is realistic for one corp to have. (You openly admidt that you only use the alliance to get this advantage.) If this turns into a trend CCP will have to nerf it to make it way more costly for you guys. (Risk vs. benifit have to be balanced, and its obviously not in this case, by you own admittance.)
Well.. many use the rules to their own personal gain. Do they not?
I think I've read a few forum posts about most major alliances using them borderline and even more than that. I think that the 25 Mackinaws lying about in Gicodel, all belonging to NPC corporations, and all mysteriously warping back and forth to station everytime they complete a cycle 20 hours a day, is mainly macro programs running without ANY risk as you cannot touch characters in NPC corporations. Same goes for haulers and mission runners. One could say that the very ice that fuel your precious POS's is supplied in small or large amount by rule bending, as I doubt all these ice miners is not in some way related to at least some alliances.
Yes, we play within the rules as they are. You all do, and you all use them to what extend you can to profit or benefit from.
I think nothing high of contract scammers in Jita, but hey.... that's live... that's the rules, that's the game, that's the mechanic.
You can argue that the war system need an overhaul.
I, on the other hand, would argue that players older than 3 months should not have the option to stay in an NPC corporation and live a 100% protected life in EVE. They should be forced to participate in the massive multiplayer game that EVE is, and not be allowed to securely profit day after day without having to worry . Make a 25% tax toll in NPC corporations... Make them unable to use freighters... Make ppl play this game as a multiplayer game, and make them not 'bend the rules' and have their alts fly in NPC corporations so they can operate safely even while war decced....
If you want to play this game without risk, join a NPC corporation. You're safe and sound there to do whatever you wish to do. ATM... I personally hope it won't stay like that!
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Posted - 2007.02.26 09:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29
Originally by: JMcClane
Quote:
#2: We don't like fair fights.
#Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge...
2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us.
I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups?
Most pirate corporations in low sec are smaller corporations of 10-20 which will never be seen in empire. Their playground is below 0.5, ours is higher atm. It's also about isk. Why would I pay 50 million to war dec a 10 man corp with a max of perhaps 5 players online at all times, living in one little corner of eve, when i can pay 50 million and war dec 500 to 2000 or even more, flying about everywhere!
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