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JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:44:00 - [1] I have for some time now flown with my trusted gang in Privateer Alliance. After reading these forums it has become clear to me, that a great part of the community have little insight in what Privateer Alliance actually is, and how it functions. First off, I would like to make clear that this is my personal view of the alliance after the experiences we've had in the first month. Every corporation joining the Privateer alliance pay 50 million per week in fees. These fees go towards war declarations on alliances, large or even small corporaions. The more corporations which are in the alliance, the more war decs will run simultaneously, and logically, the more targets to shoot at for everyone in the alliance. The alliance hold, and have no intentions of (to my knowledge), holding any 0.0 space, stations, pos's or the like. We do not stribe towards building titans or capital fleets. What do bring us together is our common interest in smaller gang/fleet engagements. We do not fancy 150 man gangs and everything this brings (mostly lag, bugs, client drops, irretation and last but not least politics). It's all about the thrill and the fun. What we do fancy is fast, fun and thrilling engagements. We like the challenge that all the war targets and alliances bring. We like the fact that your mission runners and haulers make a profitable business for us, and that us killing them will eventually lead to you sending pvp gangs to fight us. In short, we like a challenge. We like action. And we dislike the lagfests and long waits that 0.0 fleet combat brings. Other than the large corporations, Privateers consists of many smaller well functioning pvp corporations, with a lot of experienced and dedicated pilots that work well together as a unit. Do not underestimate the skills of these pilots, units or their leaders. One common mistake made by many of our enemies is that they see Privateer alliance as one unit with around 600 members. A better understanding would be to see x number of corporations/units working independantly to fight you. Most of the corporations are used to work alone and only use the alliance as mean to get war targets all over the eve universe. This doesn't mean that we can't work together if find a decent carrier to kill. It doesn't mean that we can't give intel to eachother on enemy movement. What it does mean, is that we are not on the same teamspeak and that we are not used to fly as one joint unit. A commonly used phrase on these forums is "Come to 0.0 and fight like real men" or something alike. 0.0 is your base of operation. Empire is ours. You have your 'hardware' in 0.0. We have ours in empire. We have no need to travel to your precious 0.0 regions as there is nothing outhere we crave for or need. You however do need to get to empire. To buy fuel for your pos's. Mods for your ships, implants for your brains and to sell your precious high end minerals and faction loot. In short. Your advantages are in 0.0. You can outblob us, entrap us and change ships as you need. This makes it close to impossible for us to send a equally large fleet to your space. Instead our advantages lie in empire. Where we have our forces. Where we (most of the time) outnumber you. And where we have our 'hardware', ready to fight. This doesn't mean we can't fly in faster moving gangs throughout your space, assaulting your npc'ers and miners... You see, it is a challenge, for us, to make it 80 jumps through hostile territory. It's a test of your defenses and our skills to survive with the odds against us (no intel, no docking possibility, no support). We are looking forward to constructive and decent replies to this thread, which is mainly ment to be informative and to clarify what Privateers is all about. We are looking forward to seeing your corporation or alliance on the battlefield in the near future. Signed JMcClane, a member in Righteous Choirboys, Privateer Alliance
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:49:00 - [2] IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. --- Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
Sentar Manar Amarr NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:52:00 - [4] Edited by: Sentar Manar on 26/02/2007 01:51:27 Edited by: Sentar Manar on 26/02/2007 01:48:46 #Translation# #1: We like to PVP. #2: We don't like fair fights. #3: We like money. #4: We don't like working. #5: We don't want to risk anything. #6: We do want your stuff. #Solution# We will stay in Empire, Wardeck you and let your money flow to us how crafty of us. #Problem# When the Wars over the Alliances are going to come to empire to stomp you. :End Transmition:
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Marquis Dean Retards like you are why we need the above post. Retard is a personal attack You think I havent seen you do it... Grow a set...useless thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Ty''derian on 26/02/2007 01:50:14 i dont know why are you posting this JMcClane. its simply, if you have fun with that what are you doing, do it : ) **** (edit <- popo) on the others : )
Samiloth Justinian AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:53:00 - [7] The idea behind it actually sounds fun, but I must give station camping in Jita two thumbs down :P
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Look me up on our killboard mate... Check how many kills I've made in Jita.... You judge us all by the action of a few. As I explained above. We are not alike, though our alliance ticker may be the same!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:56:00 - [9] Originally by: JMcClane Look me up on our killboard mate... Check how many kills I've made in Jita.... You judge us all by the action of a few. As I explained above. We are not alike, though our alliance ticker may be the same! Well if that is what you are trying to explain, then maybe you should stop inviting just about everyone into your alliance. Yesterday, I flew my alt down to Jita...and sat and watched. So dont call me retard. Its pathetic at best what they do there http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Sentar Manar Edited by: Sentar Manar on 26/02/2007 01:51:27 Edited by: Sentar Manar on 26/02/2007 01:48:46 #Translation# #1: We like to PVP. #2: We don't like fair fights. #3: We like money. #4: We don't like working. #5: We don't want to risk anything. #6: We do want your stuff. #Solution# We will stay in Empire, Wardeck you and let your money flow to us how crafty of us. #Problem# When the Wars over the Alliances are going to come to empire to stomp you. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... As to your points. 1. Yes 2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us. 3. Don't we all (Although virtual) 4. We work hard on intel and are very dedicated in tracking you down, tackling you, and pursuing you as your 8 warp core stab apoc travel through empire. You might not know, but it requires a bit of coordination to stop such a ship without interdictors and bubbles. 5. We risk plenty. No place in empire nor 0.0 is safe for us. 6. So very true :) As off your #problem#... As I've stated in the post. We love a challenge... We'll be looking forward to it!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:01:00 - [11] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 01:58:19 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: JMcClane Look me up on our killboard mate... Check how many kills I've made in Jita.... You judge us all by the action of a few. As I explained above. We are not alike, though our alliance ticker may be the same! Well if that is what you are trying to explain, then maybe you should stop inviting just about everyone into your alliance. Yesterday, I flew my alt down to Jita...and sat and watched. So dont call me retard. Its pathetic at best what they do there I'm not inviting anyone into our alliance. I'm not trying to tell you that Privateers is guts and glory. I'm trying to tell you that we are not all dishonerable pilots which gank outside 4-4. Some of us work hard to earn our kills! And for the record... I did not call you a retard, and anyone else who feel like flaming, or name calling should go elsewhere... this is a discussions forum. Discuss!!!
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... And one could say that you hug a POS 23/7. Or that D2 means "Docked till downtime". Or would that be an uncharitable statement for an alliance that got camped in a station the whole of Sunday while billions of ISK worth of POS's got blown up? The OP made a good post, it's his unbiased take on what they do. The game allows for different playstyles, he explained what theirs is.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:07:00 - [13] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch And one could say that you hug a POS 23/7. Or that D2 means "Docked till downtime". Or would that be an uncharitable statement for an alliance that got camped in a station the whole of Sunday while billions of ISK worth of POS's got blown up? The OP made a good post, it's his unbiased take on what they do. The game allows for different playstyles, he explained what theirs is. Hello Troll...this is a PA thread, but I guess you couldn't resist How many POS got blown up? go do the math, and if we are docked all the time why is our killboard littered with BOB battleships...hmm. btw..the Britney Spears hair do is so last week http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:11:00 - [14] i suspect once the big wars are over and most the pvpers arent needed so much in 0.0 that the repercussions for any corp who has been in privateers is going to be devastating. the tables will turn and you will all get burned ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:11:00 - [15] So you're a bunch of fresh water pirates, wanabee pvpers playing in a sandbox and you do not plan to do anything more than indus ganking in the future. Thanks for the informative post.
MetalZero Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. quote] That is the way that your project works JMcClane..... nothing more , nothing less ....so save us time and no post bs pls ___________ ThunderCats
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Amerame So you're a bunch of fresh water pirates, wanabee pvpers playing in a sandbox and you do not plan to do anything more than indus ganking in the future. Thanks for the informative post. I shoot whichever war target I can in empire... I don't favorize one over the other. And most importantly... I'm not the one who choose to fly a hauler in empire in war time. I believe only the pilot himself choose what ship he put his behind in!
Mortharian Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:21:00 - [18] Privateers = Pirates. Opportunistic pirates. 'Nuff said. (And no, they've never killed me, so no, I don't say this because I'm just bitter.) Next thread plz. __________________________________________________
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:26:00 - [19] Originally by: MetalZero Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. quote] That is the way that your project works JMcClane..... nothing more , nothing less ....so save us time and no post bs pls Again... Look my up on the killboards... Count my kills in Jita.... I believe they can almost be counted on one hand. Same goes for many many others in Privateers... I see scams on contracts by RAZOR members as well.. Do I judge you by their actions??? Would you like me to?
Gurgling CEO Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:27:00 - [20] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui i suspect once the big wars are over and most the pvpers arent needed so much in 0.0 that the repercussions for any corp who has been in privateers is going to be devastating. the tables will turn and you will all get burned I dont think so. If they notice theres gang around that actually has a fighting chance, they endlessly sit on stations until enemies get bored and then continue on their merry way (ie: blowing up newbs who are not prepared to fight them). Only thing that puts end to this useless alliance it to increase cost of wardecs. Like this.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:31:00 - [21] Quote: The alliance hold, and have no intentions of (to my knowledge), holding any 0.0 space, stations, pos's or the like. We do not stribe towards building titans or capital fleets. What do bring us together is our common interest in smaller gang/fleet engagements. We do not fancy 150 man gangs and everything this brings (mostly lag, bugs, client drops, irretation and last but not least politics). It's all about the thrill and the fun. What we do fancy is fast, fun and thrilling engagements. TRANSLATION: 0.0 is too hard, we rather war dec everyone and gank their empire carebears. This makes sense since many 0.0 entities don't run fleets in empire and that usually gives us good gank odds. On a personal note, I live in 0.0, so your 'fun' is irrelevant to me.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:36:00 - [22] NPC corp Hauler alt > Privateers
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Gurgling CEO Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui i suspect once the big wars are over and most the pvpers arent needed so much in 0.0 that the repercussions for any corp who has been in privateers is going to be devastating. the tables will turn and you will all get burned I dont think so. If they notice theres gang around that actually has a fighting chance, they endlessly sit on stations until enemies get bored and then continue on their merry way (ie: blowing up newbs who are not prepared to fight them). Only thing that puts end to this useless alliance it to increase cost of wardecs. Like this. If we notice gangs of 15 moving through our 4 man camp, we do choose to wait it out, that's true! You are so right. "Gangs with a fighting chance..." They usually get their fighting chance!!! From our ppl at least. Again. Privateers is a not an organized alliance where the stars in local equal the size of the opposing force. The opposing force may be 2-3 smaller gangs, NOT working together. This is our weakness, and this may make us look inferior in numbers when we are actually not!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Quote: The alliance hold, and have no intentions of (to my knowledge), holding any 0.0 space, stations, pos's or the like. We do not stribe towards building titans or capital fleets. What do bring us together is our common interest in smaller gang/fleet engagements. We do not fancy 150 man gangs and everything this brings (mostly lag, bugs, client drops, irretation and last but not least politics). It's all about the thrill and the fun. What we do fancy is fast, fun and thrilling engagements. TRANSLATION: 0.0 is too hard, we rather war dec everyone and gank their empire carebears. This makes sense since many 0.0 entities don't run fleets in empire and that usually gives us good gank odds. On a personal note, I live in 0.0, so your 'fun' is irrelevant to me. REFLECTION: 0.0 is boring and doesn't give me any satisfaction, so I'd rather be at war with everyone so I have a higher chance of actually getting into a fight, even decent ones, as I just like to plainly fight without having to worry about politics. Good gank odds? I don't know about that.... Does your home region in 0.0 not give you pretty good gank odds when I come there? How is this different?
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:47:00 - [25] Privateer Alliance members have been seen near FDZ in 0.0. Today i ganked one of them scouting in a stabber... You guys r making yourselves be the #1 target after the big war is over... Keep it up and soont Empire will be hunting your alliance everyday... Come to 0.0 and i guarantee u you will be flying to empire in pods... You can take that to the bank USN personally is observing your members in empire and in 0.0 and your now going to be hunted.. God Speed!
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:00:00 - [26] Originally by: USN CVN72 Edited by: USN CVN72 on 26/02/2007 02:47:48 Privateer Alliance members have been seen near FDZ in 0.0. Today i ganked one of them scouting in a stabber... You guys r making yourselves be the #1 target after the big war is over... Keep it up and soon Empire will be hunting your alliance everyday... Come to 0.0 and i guarantee u you will be flying to empire in pods... You can take that to the bank USN and my 4 alts and RK pvpers are now personally observing your members in empire and in 0.0 and your effectively going to be hunted... God Speed! lol. Wave that e-peen. --- Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
Count Rayken Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:00:00 - [27] Just you wait Privy squad...just you wait. It wouldnt take a corp of more than 30 organized PvPers to kick your ass much less every alliance in the game. When this war is over, i'll lead ops yo ucatch your ass myself. I iS tEh win
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:03:00 - [28] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 03:00:47 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Honestly - at least watch some Privateer videos before you say this. These guys got some good fight in them. I, for one, respect what they do: they bring the fight, and have fun doing it. Afterall, isn't "FUN" what this game is about? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Sentar Manar Amarr NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:04:00 - [29] Well I surly can respect the motives even if I don't quite feel the methods are right. Win some loss some and all though you may annoy me I can take in stide since I live in 0.0 Space and money flows to me like water. I actuly can see this as funny. An Alliance in Empire that does nothing but take potshots at people. This could be very funny. :End Transmition:
Goca Minmatar Steel Frontier	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:06:00 - [30] Originally by: JMcClane We are looking forward to hiding in a station, ganking defenseless haulers and making more retarded posts on the forums, because we actually someone, somewhere actually gives a **** about us.... Signed JMcClane, a member in Righteous Choirboys, Privateer A[/quote=JMcClane] fixed.. Some people I've heard giggle when the name Agony Unleashed comes up, but you know what? Those boys will come out and fight, in 0.0, nonetheless, they have earned quite a bt of respect.. You guys on the other hand are nothing more then a pathetic breed of pirate, who have none of the skills and only half of the good smack. Go get bent :) I is Goca
Count Rayken Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:08:00 - [31] Yeah, I saw 6 of em in BS camping Agil today. We had a gang not but 6 jumps away willing to fight them and they: Ran. gasp unbelievable rite? No. They will only engage when its 2:1 their odds. Its not rumor. Its fact. Dotn get me wrong though, because I would do almost the same thing you do, except use Dif tactics. For example, the wardec everyone while they are dukeing it out in 0.0 in the biggest war ever fought: was a good idea. If I were an Empire dweller i would do that too. Its just your tactics during the war I disagree ith. I iS tEh win
Mochalatte Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:08:00 - [32] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... And one could say that you hug a POS 23/7. Or that D2 means "Docked till downtime". Or would that be an uncharitable statement for an alliance that got camped in a station the whole of Sunday while billions of ISK worth of POS's got blown up? The OP made a good post, it's his unbiased take on what they do. The game allows for different playstyles, he explained what theirs is. D0 A11 0F EVE-O A FAVOUR; POST WITH YOUR BOB MAIN!!! FFS.... PLZ YOU TRASPARENT ** Quote:** metal dude [052506] You people canÆt dictate to others not to have an opinion on public topics.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar btw..the Britney Spears hair do is so last week Don't mock the hair! SHE copied me. My lawyers will be in touch
Harrana Evil Proctologists	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:11:00 - [34] Up until the last few days I've been in a 0.0 corp or alliance for nearly my whole time in Eve and perhaps not coincidentally up until recently I thought the Privateer Alliance was a pretty sorry excuse for an organisation (I'm sure my sentiments would have echoed many of those expressed above). Recently, however, my corp disbanded and a few of us have formed the corp I am currently in and already we have been war decced by Imperial Order (much love to STFU, been great fun fighting you guys, hope you've enjoyed it too). The past few days are the most fun I've had in Eve in a long time: regular fun engagements; sustainable loss rate and no travelling huge distances and waiting for hours only to get blown up in 5 seconds while still loading the grid. In short I've been enjoying Eve. It seems that 0.0 wars and politics are becoming increasingly bitter and unsatisfying for those involved. The course of events are controlled by a few huge entities that are lead by egotistical power trippers (at least that is how they come across on the forums). When was the last time you read about a good fun fight in 0.0 where everyone went home having enjoyed themselves? Very rarely I should imagine, most posts in COAD regarding 0.0 seem to rapidly descend into bitter, acrimonious, flame fests very quickly. As such my respect for the ideas behind privateers has grown hugely... I really do think they may be onto something as they seem to have got away from all this. Incidentally I find it funny, Goonswarm a while ago seemed to take great pride in portraying themselves as the antithesis of BoB... they aren't, they are just the same, even down to the style of the leaderships posts (read the mittani's, or whatever he's called, posts on scrapheap-challenge if you don't believe me). The true antithesis to BoB and all the other 0.0 alliances - Privateers. Oh and as an added bonus - when you fight in empire it doesn't matter how big your enemies cap fleet is or how many titans they've got as you're never going to run into them ---------- Harrana: Qualified Proctologist For successfully treated patients click here. Ready for your examination?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:13:00 - [35] Originally by: JMcClane If we notice gangs of 15 moving through our 4 man camp, we do choose to wait it out, that's true! You are so right. "Gangs with a fighting chance..." They usually get their fighting chance!!! From our ppl at least. Ok...later I will go back to Jita and fraps your ganking outside 4-4. On average, it is a 6 v 1 gank. After I post it in this thread, you can then tell me how good your "challenge" is Sounds like you, JMcClane ar flying in a different alliance. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:17:00 - [36] Why is it so hard for some people accept that different people have fun in different ways? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
IntegralHellsing Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. /emote rolls around the floor laughing very hard
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Honestly - at least watch some Privateer videos before you say this. These guys got some good fight in them. I, for one, respect what they do: they bring the fight, and have fun doing it. Afterall, isn't "FUN" what this game is about? err..why would I watch a carefully edited video, when I can fly to Jita and seem them ganking lone targets every day. Fun...I'm sure it wasn't fun the por guy undocking in a lag fest, and those guys that pressed F1-F4 must have had a great time No I haven't been ganked by PA, and I'm not bitter...tbh I give BOB more respect than PA. Especially DICE. They fight hard. And yes I am at war with the buggers, but at least I know a decent enemy when I see one. And no...I am not an arm chair general...chk killboards...you will see me both killing and dying. ( am sorting out fraps now..laters ) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Honestly - at least watch some Privateer videos before you say this. These guys got some good fight in them. I, for one, respect what they do: they bring the fight, and have fun doing it. Afterall, isn't "FUN" what this game is about? err..why would I watch a carefully edited video, when I can fly to Jita and seem them ganking lone targets every day. Fun...I'm sure it wasn't fun the por guy undocking in a lag fest, and those guys that pressed F1-F4 must have had a great time No I haven't been ganked by PA, and I'm not bitter...tbh I give BOB more respect than PA. Especially DICE. They fight hard. And yes I am at war with the buggers, but at least I know a decent enemy when I see one. And no...I am not an arm chair general...chk killboards...you will see me both killing and dying. ( am sorting out fraps now..laters ) That's all well and good - of course I know as well as you do that there is just as much lagfest+f1-f8 in 0.0, too. You do what you do for fun. They do what they do for fun. They make money by killing people. Nothing wrong with that. It's part of the game, mate! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:35:00 - [40] You know, I've heard a lot of people ***ing about how privateers are just some kind of nuisence or empire hauler and shuttle gankers but I've been hesitant to believe it as I understand what it's about. Not everyone plays the game to build up some massive 0.0 alliance and hold space and all that other crap. That is good for some, but others just want to fight. No politics, no real logistics to worry about, no bullsh. I get it. Probably because SL used to do the same kind of stuff in empire until empire wars stopped being what they used to be. We used to randomly wardec people just looking for some good fights. Sure there are a lot of ganks going on, but that happens just as much in 0.0, if not more. It's just a shame that you have to wardec so many corps/alliances to keep up the supply of good fights. It's a testament to just how much empire wars suck now. Industry and carebear alliances that live in empire used to have pvpers among their ranks and would fight back, now they all just dock and hide and hope that you get bored and go away in a week. All of the big decent PvP alliances/corps are operating in 0.0 as that is where all of the action is. Hopefully the flux of new players coming in will create some empire monster-corps/alliances again and make empire a fun place for pvp again, even for the people that don't want to have 123412321312 wardecs.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Troubadour You know, I've heard a lot of people ***ing about how privateers are just some kind of nuisence or empire hauler and shuttle gankers but I've been hesitant to believe it as I understand what it's about. Not everyone plays the game to build up some massive 0.0 alliance and hold space and all that other crap. That is good for some, but others just want to fight. No politics, no real logistics to worry about, no bullsh. I get it. That's what's so cool about it, yeah. I'm fed up with politics, I just want to get together with some mates and blow **** up. Honestly, the "respect" I have for the privateers comes from the fact that they have found how to PLAY the GAME for FUN rather than treating it like a bloody job like so many people do these days. THAT is respectable, IMO. If you're not having fun, WHY PLAY? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Captain Hudson Caldari Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Honestly - at least watch some Privateer videos before you say this. These guys got some good fight in them. I, for one, respect what they do: they bring the fight, and have fun doing it. Afterall, isn't "FUN" what this game is about? err..why would I watch a carefully edited video, when I can fly to Jita and seem them ganking lone targets every day. Fun...I'm sure it wasn't fun the por guy undocking in a lag fest, and those guys that pressed F1-F4 must have had a great time No I haven't been ganked by PA, and I'm not bitter...tbh I give BOB more respect than PA. Especially DICE. They fight hard. And yes I am at war with the buggers, but at least I know a decent enemy when I see one. And no...I am not an arm chair general...chk killboards...you will see me both killing and dying. ( am sorting out fraps now..laters ) That's all well and good - of course I know as well as you do that there is just as much lagfest+f1-f8 in 0.0, too. You do what you do for fun. They do what they do for fun. They make money by killing people. Nothing wrong with that. It's part of the game, mate! the actions of ugluuk and his merry band of pwners dont represent that of privs as a whole. Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Mochalatte Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:49:00 - [43] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Flinx Evenstar btw..the Britney Spears hair do is so last week Don't mock the hair! SHE copied me. My lawyers will be in touch POST WITH YOUR BOB MAIN!!!!!!! Quote: metal dude [052506] You people canÆt dictate to others not to have an opinion on public topics.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 03:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Captain Hudson the actions of ugluuk and his merry band of pwners dont represent that of privs as a whole. OK, so they blow up haulers for cash. Uhmm... how is that any different from what goes on anywhere else? They wouldn't be the first pirates to blow up haulers for cash in empire, let alone low sec or 0.0... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:01:00 - [45] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Look me up on our killboard mate... Check how many kills I've made in Jita.... You judge us all by the action of a few. As I explained above. We are not alike, though our alliance ticker may be the same! Hey I remember you. You had railguns on your crow .... lol
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:02:00 - [46] Edited by: Darken Two on 26/02/2007 03:59:02 Alright mate I'm a little confused here. From what you say, you seem to be implying that you wardec alliances, gank their haulers in empire, and then don't fight their gangs unless they bring an exactly even sized gang. It seems you are justifying your desire to gank alliance haulers in empire by claiming desire for combat. As much as posting on the forums to state your intentions might have made you feel better about what you do, it cannot hide what you actually do either. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
easei Caldari Energy.	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:07:00 - [47] So acording to everyone here (less JMC) People who haven't spent one minute in the alliance already know how it functions and try and correct JMC's post? Is it really that suprising when 600 "INDIVIDUALS" <- clearly key word that voids any sweeping generalizations you all make. The truth is major alliance members are puppets to their cause. The priviteers only help you by weeding out the people who carebear in empire and aren't in 0.0 and fighting along side you, yes? Anyway all of you can laugh about priviteers (and most likly still will upon conclusion of reading this post) but if it didn't work and wasn't successful (or more importantly fun) then ask yourselves why do they continue to dish out billions week after week in wardecs. go download ugluuks video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=474700 It might be midly enlightening to the pyromaniacs in this thread. (and not because half the time his ship is on fire) Originally by: Count Rayken Just you wait Privy squad...just you wait. It wouldnt take a corp of more than 30 organized PvPers to kick your ass much less every alliance in the game. When this war is over, i'll lead ops yo ucatch your ass myself. You are wrong, you can't fight them with organized tactics. How many others have said and actully done that? The answer is many, and they may get to gank a few here and there but a 30 man blob is only effective in 1 system at a time. 600 individuals is effective in 600 systems at any time.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:12:00 - [48] Originally by: easei stuff She gets it. o7 It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Oreh Anavrin ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:27:00 - [50] If what you do is right/fun/righteous/whatveer and you aren't just "hauler gankers", why do you feel the need to come here and spam everyone telling us how you aren't hauler gankers? Sounds like you are just trying to convince yourselves to be honest. Never had anything against privateers, sounds like fun, but also sounds like you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else. _________________________________ Sig Removed - Contact us at [email protected] with a link to your sig for more details. -Targoviste
Leikeze Mrotserif coracao ardente Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:52:00 - [51] I gank haulers
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:53:00 - [52] Ya, I'm sure it has nothing to do with getting haulers, nothing, man they present such a hardcore challenge, them battle-badgers.... Empire is your base because you can't make it in 0.0; it must be hard fighting lone guys on star-gates that don't have scramblers fitted eh? ------- Someone from MC peer-pressured me to smoke pot, now I'm cool.
enjoi Gallente Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:54:00 - [53] F*ing good post, tbh. TBSV is a small (5-10 man gangs) PvP entity who has won 98% of it's fights and empires in war. We were considering joining privateers and had a chat with some of the CEO's. One of the CEO's is a guy From Mentl, and his corp is about our size, and fing pro, and the other, from the Privateers corp itself. They both told us the exact same thing as the guy in the OP himself; don't think of privateers as an Alliance entity, but as a collection of corps, uniting only in a common goal; to fight anything and everything that moves in Empire. Originally by:* Flinx Evenstar You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. Yes, it is retards like you why they need this thread. You think that people arent going to check a hub Station in a hub System every now and then? When you have 600+ people all scattered across EvE, seperately hunting for targets, yes you are going to get people going to the hubs. Tbh I doubt any one group stays there too long though, due to what's known as counter-response. Try checking the various corps killboards and I'm 100% sure that most of their kills won't be in actual hub Systems themselves. Attacking a constructive and informative OP because of personal bias is lame. If you don't have anything to say other then flames, then noone in this thread wants to hear it, I'm sure. And to all those saying thing's like Originally by: Count Rayken It wouldnt take a corp of more than 30 organized PvPers to kick your ass much less every alliance in the game No, you're wrong. Because again you're making the assumption that the privateers is a united alliance. Which it isn't. It's just a loose federation of corps in it for the same goal. They are scattered across the entire of eve. You could never be in the same area as 30% of the Privateers at any given time. Originally by: Count Rayken No. They will only engage when its 2:1 their odds. Its not rumour. Its fact. I'll give you all the money I own if you can find a Mentl gang that will run against even odds. No f*ing joke. Originally by:** Count Rayken Its just your tactics during the war I disagree ith I don't think you're seeing this right. All there is to it; War dec a Corp/Alliance, roam looking for targets. Lots of Alliances = lots of targets. Hub systems = lots of targets. It all boils down to targets. These guys don't play in the same style as you in 00. TBSV operates exactly the same as these guys [Only didn't join because some people in our corp didn't want to take the same kind of crap people are giving this thread]. We don't fancy 50+ J's in a lagfleet just so we can shoot at a huge 50+ man hostile fleet then go home. We like to log on, not knowing if our current wartargets are nextdoor, and we like to actively hunt for targets all over the eve universe. Most of the time, yes, we outnumber out victims; by pure circumstance. Having a gang of like 5 is a must if you're going to be fighting anyone who has an active memberbase of at least 5. If you get caught on your own, its your own fault. Against as many Alliance's and Corp's as the Privateers are fighting, sure they roll in numbers. But I bet when they get in an even fight, they love it. As anyone does. Pretty much all I have to say. The Privateers Alliance; The idea is great. Acess to 60% of EvE as a War-Target. The Members of Privateers; not all good but certainly not all bad. Don't discount them all because of some random from Priv's camping 4-4. 'joi -enjoi- TBSV CEO Real men Structure tank.
Seana Elria E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Why is it so hard for some people accept that different people have fun in different ways? Its more than likely due to the fact that those that operate out of 0.0 where all one has to protect them is simply contained within one's own ship and not provided by sentry guns and concord feel those entities operating within the comfort of empire (where dictor bubbles won't work) and only wardec those they choose and/or are paid to wardec (thus disallowing some other alliances from lending aid to those wardec'd since they themselves haven't been) are somehow lacking in confidence to face them in a place where there are no "strings attached" perse that are holding back any one side. Granted, for a corporation that is slightly smaller in terms of numbers/allies than those operating in 0.0, it could be suicide to attempt to face one's enemy out in 0.0, so I understand where PA's strategy is coming from, and its somewhat legitimate in my mind since those operating in 0.0 do have certain empire logistics to contend with that PA is targetting head on. In short though, slight boo to PA for not joining the 0.0 fights but at the same time, props for making empire interesting and not having to travel too far for someone to shoot at (since to me personally, the more targets the better even if in empire).
Calistro Gallente RABBLE-RABBLE	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:09:00 - [55] Quote: Instead our advantages lie in empire. Where we have our forces. Where we (most of the time) outnumber you. And where we have our 'hardware', ready to fight. [ 2007.02.25 02:29:35 ] JMcClane > I have a dread guristas bc in the belt... can't break it's tank can you assist pleaseWe share loot? sends alt warping cloaked towards JMcClane at 100km Ohhh, a POS in low-sec. How surprising. The might of the Privateer alliance. "When you can't take em down, get a POS to do the job".
Jonis Sinmaker Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:11:00 - [56] Originally by: enjoi Attacking a constructive and informative OP because of personal bias is lame. If you don't have anything to say other then flames, then noone in this thread wants to hear it, I'm sure. Enjoi...you are my life hero ♥ /me humps enjoi's face......twice. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Talen Reaper AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:13:00 - [57] we have been war decked by privateer haven't had the pleasure of an encounter as of yet but with them in jita & amarr & agil and camping gates on the main trade routs I am sure we will ...until then
Opium	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:15:00 - [58] shrug's alls good.. a targets a target...shootin somebody in the head is still shootin somebody in the head, the ppl who try to make more of that or less havnt seen someone shot in the head.there's no right or wrongway or a reason that matters,, only the bullet in the head matters.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Seana Elria In short though, slight boo to PA for not joining the 0.0 fights but at the same time, Do you mean the current "world war" anti-bob bandwagon? If so... well, why boo them? It would appear that they are avoiding politics, which is probably something they set out to do. Quote: props for making empire interesting and not having to travel too far for someone to shoot at (since to me personally, the more targets the better even if in empire). \o/ It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
enjoi Gallente Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Jonis Sinmaker Enjoi...you are my life hero ♥ /me humps enjoi's face......twice. /me ... likes it o_O <3 Jonis -enjoi- TBSV CEO Real men Structure tank.
Evenfall Phoenix Drones of Annihilation GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Count Rayken Yeah, I saw 6 of em in BS camping Agil today. We had a gang not but 6 jumps away willing to fight them and they: Ran. gasp unbelievable rite? No. They will only engage when its 2:1 their odds. Its not rumor. Its fact. Dotn get me wrong though, because I would do almost the same thing you do, except use Dif tactics. For example, the wardec everyone while they are dukeing it out in 0.0 in the biggest war ever fought: was a good idea. If I were an Empire dweller i would do that too. Its just your tactics during the war I disagree ith. As much as I like you IRON guys you are wrong here. It is not a fact. DofA while in Privateers tood on a Myriad gang double our numbers. I'd have to dig through the killboards to show you all the losses myriad took (they were almost all in Battleships and the like). You "fact" is thus automaticaly disproven. Stop basing your opinions on the senseless garbage you read on the forums. Yes, many of the Privateers are solo hauler gankers... so blame the haulers for not scouting properly, yes some are mission runner killers... so make your mission runners more able to recognize a gank. But there's also a large number of PvP corps in the Privateers that will rove around looking for a fight, and if they happen to catch a hauler, well, would you pass up on an enemy hauler? I had a great time in Privateers, I know many of the other PvP corps are enjoying their time as well. For you to dismiss the entire alliance based on the actions of a few is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
easei Caldari Energy.	Posted - 2007.02.26 05:39:00 - [62] Edited by: easei on 26/02/2007 05:35:45 And thus the problem with the EVE forum community is that I'd estimate only half read the forums and the other half how do really don't and miss all constructive posts. Lets try this multiple choice test QUESTION 1 "Empire Gatecamping for dummies" The reason the priviteers gank haulers because: A> they are there and flash brigh red on the overview and are filled with loot B> priviteers are ALL bad pvpers and thats all they know how to do. C> haulers are the only ships people fly in empire D> both A + C Now lets apply the same logic to QUESTION 2 "0.0 Alliance gate camping for dummies" In a 0.0 alliance gate camp you dont shoot haulers because: A> you camp in systems you hold sovrignty in/near therefore no onther alliance has a reason to haul things to that location. B> You see uber ammounts of haulers in your camp, but dont shoot them because the are defenseless. C> You shoot the living **** out of anything regardless of wether its red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or violet on the overview and ask questions later. D> Both A + C You shoot anything that moves, but because there is less chacnce you'll ever see a hauler you don't get to shoot them, but would when give half a chance. So this leads to BONUS for extra credit "who is the better pvper" A> the alliance for shooting anything that moves B> why can't we just be friends C> the priviteers because they shoot anything that moves D> A+C they are the same because targets, are targets, are targets regardless of the type of ship they are? Answers will follow edit small typo fix
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:21:00 - [63] your trying to portray privateers as proper pvpers by suggesing all alliances do is camp gates and avoid fair fights? i have more respect for the carebears mining with dreads in 0.1-0.4 than i do for people who gank without risk in empire. atleast the carebear mining dread is taking some risks ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:31:00 - [64] You guys dont get it. I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. I dont sit at any pos, or sit in 100-man gang at a ss, being asked to log off. Nodes dont crash. The only thing that crashes, is the war targets' ships. All this 0.0 stuff and all this with BoD *****ed me up. And seeing that empire is so much more fun(Sure, docking games can be crap, hence why i never attack at stations), im not likely to go to 0.0 anymore. I have also had so much better fights in empire. I guess its because people underestimate us. There sure is people who camp jita 4-4, cos there is so many targets in there. I respect that they do that. It doesnt float my boat. I roam around.
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:33:00 - [65] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui your trying to portray privateers as proper pvpers by suggesing all alliances do is camp gates and avoid fair fights? i have more respect for the carebears mining with dreads in 0.1-0.4 than i do for people who gank without risk in empire. atleast the carebear mining dread is taking some risks Undocking at 4-4 or at Rens station 8 is a huge risk. I fly with risk all the time, as i solo alot. Yesterday i got blobbed in my brutix, but managed to get away even tho they got me trapped inside a 2-way system. They had at least a 15man gang. Now tell me that isnt quite a risk.
THEDON1 Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:42:00 - [66] Edited by: THEDON1 on 26/02/2007 06:40:37 npc hauler alt 4tw edit: forgot to mention MWD 4tw as well ;)
WilliamH Bonney Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:48:00 - [67] What I don't like about what the Privateers do is it uses an in game mechanic to do something that is not it's purpose. Empire wars were never meant to allow 1 Alliance to attack, or get attacked, by 20 or 30 others. It is EMPIRE WARS. Corp Vs. Corp, or Alliance vs. Alliance, in Empire. The way PA has "Declared War" on about all of Eve's 0.0 alliances, well, that's not a war. That is quite simply put high sec pirating... Now, if PA actually declared war on other Empire entities, that live and breath purely in Empire, then I would call it an actual declaration of war. I honestly think that the Dev's are looking over the War Deccing system, mainly because of Privateers. We'll see what happens though.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 07:11:00 - [68] Originally by: WilliamH Bonney I honestly think that the Dev's are looking over the War Deccing system, mainly because of Privateers. We'll see what happens though. Where is it said that the devs are looking into revising the wardec system? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 07:39:00 - [69] what i got from this post was... this guy likes to gank things that really cant fight back... and he risks plenty of t2 frigs... let me point out why the eve community has little if any respect for privateers. they are always safe in their empire hidouts. in 0.0 if you are on the offencive you are rarely fortunate enough to have a safe place you can sit in indefinatly while you are being scanned for. in empire... everytime you are outnumbered or outclassed... you just dock and scream in local about how much 'blobing suxorz' the risks you take with your ships are miniscule compared to the risks alliances take in 0.0. outposts and pos's cost far more than your stupid little ishkur! we dont have time to come up and hand your arse to you while we are trying to defend our assets so in the end... you will gank small expencive stuff knowing that if alliance send a real force you will just dock and log. dont prettend for a second thats not what you do. privateers desperatly need to find somthing else to do with their time cos they clearly have way too much time to gank haulers and bantams in empire.
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:10:00 - [70] I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself.
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:11:00 - [71] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36 SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they ***** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway). So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives. And what do these people do? They cry some more. Good show Privateers! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:13:00 - [72] So much hate in this thread, and most of it from whiney 0.0 alliance tools who have so much money that their "risk" is based upon the time it takes them to get a new ship to the blob fest. See, I can generalize too. To put it bluntly, those complaining about the Privateers in this thread are either talking out of their asses, have a personal bias (possibly due to getting caught in a hauler without escort) or simply like to flame. It has been said many times in this thread that the Privateers are not one unified alliance, but rather a loose confederation of corps. Thus they don't usually fight together, and thus saying "Privateers only camp Jita 4-4" is about as intelligent as saying "0.0 alliances only farm plexes all day" or "BoB only fly titans all the time". Ffs, try to loosen up and realize that this is a game. The Privateers have fun doing what they do. To my understanding it is not really an effective business, as the amount of cash that goes into keeping the deccs active and replace ships is well above the value of dropped loot. They play for fun. Why don't you? /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Death Merchant I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself. Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance!
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Ki An ... They play for fun. Why don't you? Well put :) It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:20:00 - [75] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 08:16:37 Originally by: Ki An So much hate in this thread, and most of it from whiney 0.0 alliance tools who have so much money that their "risk" is based upon the time it takes them to get a new ship to the blob fest. See, I can generalize too. To put it bluntly, those complaining about the Privateers in this thread are either talking out of their asses, have a personal bias (possibly due to getting caught in a hauler without escort) or simply like to flame. It has been said many times in this thread that the Privateers are not one unified alliance, but rather a loose confederation of corps. Thus they don't usually fight together, and thus saying "Privateers only camp Jita 4-4" is about as intelligent as saying "0.0 alliances only farm plexes all day" or "BoB only fly titans all the time". Ffs, try to loosen up and realize that this is a game. The Privateers have fun doing what they do. To my understanding it is not really an effective business, as the amount of cash that goes into keeping the deccs active and replace ships is well above the value of dropped loot. They play for fun. Why don't you? /Ki Actually we manage to keep a decent profit. I won't talk numbers, and it's not the reason for ours doings, but let me put it this way. Our 5 man active player corporation (with alts and what follows) earn enough to be able to buy ourselves a smaller capital ship every 2nd week. We just don't buy 'em since we have no actual use for them. And thanks for actually understanding what the post was about and posting constructively!
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:23:00 - [76] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Death Merchant I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself. Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance! Please describe what your corporation thinks of as a challenge? Im thinking that your idea of a challenge and my idea are worlds apart.
Doctor Octagon Amarr Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:27:00 - [77] Edited by: Doctor Octagon on 26/02/2007 08:24:28 O hail great forum warriors from the deep dark 0,0. Thy are the greatest, and us wannabepvpers, hauling, newbgankers from 4-4 are not worthy thy attention. Please save us from thy forum terror, and evil revenge when thy great New Eden southern war ends. Spare us please, we mean no harm. O great ones in Agil, hear my plea and wait for us to outnumber you 2 too one, and we will undock. For your info Agil has about 28 Wartargets too us at most times, so outblobbing you 2-1 will prob never happen, maybe we can engage you 1-2 rather sometime there. The irony is also reaching its climax when we are hunted of gangs containing people who are at war with each other in 0,0. Your disrespect for other players playing by the rules are patethic, stop the whining and flaming you dont have a slightest clue what we are doing. Sorry for us playing your game people. And continue spreading the love on the forums.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:35:00 - [78] Originally by: Minigin what i got from this post was... this guy likes to gank things that really cant fight back... and he risks plenty of t2 frigs... let me point out why the eve community has little if any respect for privateers. they are always safe in their empire hidouts. in 0.0 if you are on the offencive you are rarely fortunate enough to have a safe place you can sit in indefinatly while you are being scanned for. in empire... everytime you are outnumbered or outclassed... you just dock and scream in local about how much 'blobing suxorz' the risks you take with your ships are miniscule compared to the risks alliances take in 0.0. outposts and pos's cost far more than your stupid little ishkur! we dont have time to come up and hand your arse to you while we are trying to defend our assets so in the end... you will gank small expencive stuff knowing that if alliance send a real force you will just dock and log. dont prettend for a second thats not what you do. privateers desperatly need to find somthing else to do with their time cos they clearly have way too much time to gank haulers and bantams in empire. I can understand what you base your comment on. Yes we do fly a lot of t2 frigates, especially intercept... Theres a perfectly good reason for that. Take person A... He's just bought his abaddon in Jita, and is moving it to Amarr. If he's halfway smart while being at war with 600 targets in empire he fit his low slots with either nano/inertia's or warp core stabs. Do we want to shoot this defenceless bastard down in his abaddon. Offcourse we do. Just to point out that it is a joke that it takes 5-6 men to tacke down an abaddon. Just to prove that he can't fly safe, even though HE chooses to dodge the fight! Take person B. He's in his hauler. Jumping through the gate that he hasn't scouted he will find our camp. Again... if he's half way smart he's fitted with nano/inertia/stabs. The most common action by haulers and transport ships getting caught is a quick Ctrl+Q while cloaked. This makes them warp away within 30 seconds of decloaking... Meaning we need the firepower and the points to keep him in check and shoot him down fast... Normally, this happens... which leads us to ... Person C, in his Viator blockade runner. He can 1. MWD to gate with 2.5k a sec (fast triple web required to prevent him from this) 2. Be fitted with inertia's and try to warp off (Which requires you to throw 3 points on him within a split second. 3. Be stabbed out which means you have to put 6 points on him before he warps. 4. Log off as the hauler guy did. in short you need to be able to lock the target within a second, apply 3-4 webs and 6 points and hope he didn't log off so his precious transport ship disappears after 30 seconds! You would have found if you had visited us in Kaaputenen where a few Privateer corporations recently had their base of operations that we would bring whatever needed to the fight if we had a decent chance of getting out with a decent result. You would find that our battlecruisers and battleships were flown and lost in an effergy of light sound and explosions, followed by laughter and cheers on ts over a perhaps not successfull engagement, but never the less fun! You would also find us going up against gangs twice our numbers, though we weren't certain we would be able to take them down. The risk we take may not involve 30-40 billion isk investments in some stationary object that we would have no joy off... no... you are right... We don't take that risk... Why would we. We do however risk the constantly larger amount of gank squads moving around empire such as Omniscent Order or the like. They may be hired, may be thought of as mercenaries or what do I know, but I'll tell you what they do. They bait, they blob, they kill... No guts and glory to be found there either mate. Though they are a constant and higher risk towards our precious T2 frigates!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 08:52:00 - [79] Originally by: Death Merchant Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Death Merchant I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself. Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance! Please describe what your corporation thinks of as a challenge? Im thinking that your idea of a challenge and my idea are worlds apart. A challenging fight 1. We have even numbers in even ship sizes. 2. We are outnumbered, but perhaps with bigger some bigger ships to even the score. 3. We are outnumbered, but can strike at the right time making the opposition panic and fail. 4. Flying 80+ jumps through Venal, Tenal, Branch, Deklein, Fade, Cloud Ring through setup bubble camps without taking losses and whilst having fun. (and shoot stuff offcourse) 5. Flying 80+ jumps through Querious, Delve, Period Basis, Fountain, Paragon Soul.... without taking losses and whilst having fun. (and shoot stuff offcourse) I'll tell you a little story from only 2 days ago. We flew in a 7 man frig gang (yes, we don't fly 7 man battleships into hostile 0.0 space as we'd never stand any chance to get out). Our 7 man gang fly through Taisy, and visit an alliance which name I shall not mention, but who have a station 5-6 jumps out of there, AFTER we bypassed their bubble camp at the 0.0 entrance. We find ourselves a Raven there (station system 6 jumps out), on gate. We assault it, we take him to structure. He ejects and we secure the raven at a safespot. Our 7 frigs are now assaulted by 2 myrmidons. We tackle and use our new found raven to take one down. The other warp out. We now get 2 Taranis's trying to scout us out and take our tacklers down... We take them out. Now here comes the challenge in it as I see it! Flying into hostile 0.0 in 7 frigs stumbling upon a battleship. Being camped in by interdictors and 2x15 man large hostile gangs covering our only 2 exits. Staying there to fight them even though we are aware of the camps closing in on us to lock us down. It's a challenge to try and get our new found Raven out. It's a challenge to get the 2 pilots in pods back safely to empire while interdictors pursue them. It's a challenge to take down the interdictor pilot with his support ony 15 seconds behind him, still we did. Unfortunately we did not secure the T2 fitted raven. We did however secure our remaining ships and pods though the opposition had 30 men chasing us, with every opportunity to make this mission extremely hard for us. We did however have a huge laugh about the whole situation, as the close to 50 hostiles in local did not manage to stop us in our attempt to disrupt their 0.0 live, kill them off, and make a profit in doing so. I'll be looking forward to seeing you fly through 30 privateers in one system with your 5 man gang (2 in pods). Only thing is, the comparison isn't fair as we can't deploy them nice and glowing bubbles which were used when we visited these guys!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:01:00 - [80] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Death Merchant I had this long post with logs about my experiences fighting your alliance. I decided not to mudsling and just say I dont think your alliance is looking for a challenge. I think your alliance is looking for ganks. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, but your playing on easy mode and to spin it diffrently is lying to yourself. Again, you choose to think og it as my alliance. You don't think that my alliance is looking for a challenge. Your right. My alliance isn't. My corporation is. As is the other corporations in my alliance! Part of the problem seems to be that people who live in 0.0 don't allow for the distinction between 'corporation' and alliance. You are part of an alliance, and therefore jointly responsible for the behaviour of your fellow alliance members. The reason many alliances frown on smacking in local for example is because it reflects bad on 'The alliance'. Even if its just the retards in Corp XYZ doing the smacktalking, everyone in the alliance that corp XYZ is in 'share the reputation'. Of course its only a matter of time before people adapt. Pickings will get less as people adapt and use noobcorp alts and OOC freighter pilots. That's the disadvantage of the Privateer tactic, its easy to avoid with a bit of adaptation. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:01:00 - [81] Originally by: JMcClane I can understand what you base your comment on. Yes we do fly a lot of t2 frigates, especially intercept... Theres a perfectly good reason for that. Take person A... He's just bought his abaddon in Jita, and is moving it to Amarr. If he's halfway smart while being at war with 600 targets in empire he fit his low slots with either nano/inertia's or warp core stabs. Do we want to shoot this defenceless bastard down in his abaddon. Offcourse we do. Just to point out that it is a joke that it takes 5-6 men to tacke down an abaddon. Just to prove that he can't fly safe, even though HE chooses to dodge the fight! Take person B. He's in his hauler. Jumping through the gate that he hasn't scouted he will find our camp. Again... if he's half way smart he's fitted with nano/inertia/stabs. The most common action by haulers and transport ships getting caught is a quick Ctrl+Q while cloaked. This makes them warp away within 30 seconds of decloaking... Meaning we need the firepower and the points to keep him in check and shoot him down fast... Normally, this happens... which leads us to ... Person C, in his Viator blockade runner. He can 1. MWD to gate with 2.5k a sec (fast triple web required to prevent him from this) 2. Be fitted with inertia's and try to warp off (Which requires you to throw 3 points on him within a split second. 3. Be stabbed out which means you have to put 6 points on him before he warps. 4. Log off as the hauler guy did. in short you need to be able to lock the target within a second, apply 3-4 webs and 6 points and hope he didn't log off so his precious transport ship disappears after 30 seconds! You would have found if you had visited us in Kaaputenen where a few Privateer corporations recently had their base of operations that we would bring whatever needed to the fight if we had a decent chance of getting out with a decent result. You would find that our battlecruisers and battleships were flown and lost in an effergy of light sound and explosions, followed by laughter and cheers on ts over a perhaps not successfull engagement, but never the less fun! You would also find us going up against gangs twice our numbers, though we weren't certain we would be able to take them down. The risk we take may not involve 30-40 billion isk investments in some stationary object that we would have no joy off... no... you are right... We don't take that risk... Why would we. We do however risk the constantly larger amount of gank squads moving around empire such as Omniscent Order or the like. They may be hired, may be thought of as mercenaries or what do I know, but I'll tell you what they do. They bait, they blob, they kill... No guts and glory to be found there either mate. Though they are a constant and higher risk towards our precious T2 frigates! i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap. i do comend those of you that do risk your bigger ships however... i have seen a couple of lone bc's doing their thing... but on the whole... PA dont take risks
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:07:00 - [82] Like always as soon as someone from Privateers post the thread get filled with flames. You have really made yourself a lot of enemies Anyway, I am curious about one thing how Privateer operates: You say each corp pays 50 mill / week in fees to cover the cost of war decs. In other posts I have seen people from Privateer saying that you war dec only those alliances/corps where someone pays for the war dec. So what are you doing, war dec those who you feel deserve it (for whatever reason, being good targets, annoying or what vever) and pay for it yourself or do you choose to wardec only those where you have someone paying for the wardec?
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:11:00 - [83] Quote: i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap. i do comend those of you that do risk your bigger ships however... i have seen a couple of lone bc's doing their thing... but on the whole... PA dont take risks So what Privateers have going here is part tech I goon tactic, part regular expensive ships in warfare. We have and fly tech II battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers, command ships and recons as we need to. WE adjust to the enemy we see in empire. The risk we take are equal to the risk you bring! I'll give you one thing. The swarm of Tech I frigs are by my standards a joke. I've had some... well.. not discussions, but smaller quarrels with some of the alliance members stopping by our camps/gangs, as I've told them to go fetch a proper ship. I see no reason to risk my expensively fitted ships (frigs to battleships) while a Merlin fires a few rounds and believe it earns him a fair share of the loot. That guy, no, does not take any risks. That guy is not welcomed in my gangs, or in many of the other gangs we have flying about. Because do remember that we are many smaller entities, not one!
PC5 ClanKillers	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:14:00 - [84] Fighting with prepared enemy - good PvPers > Ganking in empire Hail new m0o! Funny empire ppl...
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:15:00 - [85] What you do is within the rules, just as most the other greif tactics in the game. But its greifing non the less. What you do is bending the rules for something they where not intended to do. I hope CCP bring back the 'three wars' rule and make it apply to Alliances as well. You are misusing the rules to get more empire wars aganist alliances going than is realistic for one corp to have. (You openly admidt that you only use the alliance to get this advantage.) If this turns into a trend CCP will have to nerf it to make it way more costly for you guys. (Risk vs. benifit have to be balanced, and its obviously not in this case, by you own admittance.) "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Bermag Like always as soon as someone from Privateers post the thread get filled with flames. You have really made yourself a lot of enemies Anyway, I am curious about one thing how Privateer operates: You say each corp pays 50 mill / week in fees to cover the cost of war decs. In other posts I have seen people from Privateer saying that you war dec only those alliances/corps where someone pays for the war dec. So what are you doing, war dec those who you feel deserve it (for whatever reason, being good targets, annoying or what vever) and pay for it yourself or do you choose to wardec only those where you have someone paying for the wardec? I know this much. This is sheer facts. 1. Righteous Choirboys pay 50 million a week. 2. So would other member corporations. 3. I don't know who decides where the decs go from these money. The Directors I presume who pick larger alliances for more targets. 4. Outsiders who may have an interest in privateers shooting their enemies in empire pay for a few war decs. 5. Righteous Choirboys earn enough to sometimes throw 1-4 extra war decs a week as we please. 6. No alliances, no corporations are off limits. If you ask for a war dec, you get it... no matter who it may be!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:23:00 - [87] Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29 Originally by: JMcClane Quote: #2: We don't like fair fights. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... 2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us. I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups? ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Templer Relleg You guys dont get it. I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. ... And seeing that empire is so much more fun... Maybe the reason for all that 'fun' is because there are no real opponents fighting back? Easy fights, easy kills? No risk of getting spanked if you mess up with the wrong people? Sure you can do all that, but in my eyes it is nothing to be proud of. And I can't see the fun there either. No risk no fun
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:26:00 - [89] Originally by: Qual What you do is within the rules, just as most the other greif tactics in the game. But its greifing non the less. What you do is bending the rules for something they where not intended to do. I hope CCP bring back the 'three wars' rule and make it apply to Alliances as well. You are misusing the rules to get more empire wars aganist alliances going than is realistic for one corp to have. (You openly admidt that you only use the alliance to get this advantage.) If this turns into a trend CCP will have to nerf it to make it way more costly for you guys. (Risk vs. benifit have to be balanced, and its obviously not in this case, by you own admittance.) Well.. many use the rules to their own personal gain. Do they not? I think I've read a few forum posts about most major alliances using them borderline and even more than that. I think that the 25 Mackinaws lying about in Gicodel, all belonging to NPC corporations, and all mysteriously warping back and forth to station everytime they complete a cycle 20 hours a day, is mainly macro programs running without ANY risk as you cannot touch characters in NPC corporations. Same goes for haulers and mission runners. One could say that the very ice that fuel your precious POS's is supplied in small or large amount by rule bending, as I doubt all these ice miners is not in some way related to at least some alliances. Yes, we play within the rules as they are. You all do, and you all use them to what extend you can to profit or benefit from. I think nothing high of contract scammers in Jita, but hey.... that's live... that's the rules, that's the game, that's the mechanic. You can argue that the war system need an overhaul. I, on the other hand, would argue that players older than 3 months should not have the option to stay in an NPC corporation and live a 100% protected life in EVE. They should be forced to participate in the massive multiplayer game that EVE is, and not be allowed to securely profit day after day without having to worry . Make a 25% tax toll in NPC corporations... Make them unable to use freighters... Make ppl play this game as a multiplayer game, and make them not 'bend the rules' and have their alts fly in NPC corporations so they can operate safely even while war decced.... If you want to play this game without risk, join a NPC corporation. You're safe and sound there to do whatever you wish to do. ATM... I personally hope it won't stay like that!
mlhkjgvbkjvfkj	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:29:00 - [90] Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29 Originally by: JMcClane Quote: #2: We don't like fair fights. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... 2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us. I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups? Most pirate corporations in low sec are smaller corporations of 10-20 which will never be seen in empire. Their playground is below 0.5, ours is higher atm. It's also about isk. Why would I pay 50 million to war dec a 10 man corp with a max of perhaps 5 players online at all times, living in one little corner of eve, when i can pay 50 million and war dec 500 to 2000 or even more, flying about everywhere!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29 Originally by: JMcClane Quote: #2: We don't like fair fights. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... 2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us. I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups? Most pirate corporations in low sec are smaller corporations of 10-20 which will never be seen in empire. Their playground is below 0.5, ours is higher atm. It's also about isk. Why would I pay 50 million to war dec a 10 man corp with a max of perhaps 5 players online at all times, living in one little corner of eve, when i can pay 50 million and war dec 500 to 2000 or even more, flying about everywhere!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:44:00 - [92] seriously, who are you trying to fool, there is no risk to be taken in empire. I've fought lots of empire wars and know that if you have half a brain you will never die. Their whole alliance is based on "lets annoy some alliances by ganking their empire stragglers". People join them for access to easy ganks, not for a challenge. If they wanted a challenge, they would roam out in zeros. nothing wrong with them having fun with this, there are people who think mining veld is fun . doesnt make them cool or earn them any respect though. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:46:00 - [93] Hi JMC. No matter what, you can be sure about one thing. Me and JMC will always be shooting eachother
Tigrotta	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:49:00 - [94] noobs... they like to be OUTBREAK... but no chance... because OUTBREAK is a great PVP Corp with honor...
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:51:00 - [95] You sound as if you couldn't go in 0.4 and under. High-sec is your playground because you choose to stay there. As for numbers, isn't one of PA's excuses that they want to avoid blobs? Leave your alliance, declare war on a single pirate corp, every pirate corp in a single region if you want, and go pew-pew them. Then you'd have skirmishes against prepared enemies... But I guess you find haulers more fun... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:55:00 - [96] Originally by: Major Stormer Hi JMC. No matter what, you can be sure about one thing. Me and JMC will always be shooting eachother LOL... There's a known fact :) Nice gank on me the other day... went out on a chance there... Know you guys from living with Xelas in Fountain, but hey... ... hmm... wouldn't this mean that a privateer pilot took a risk to try and find a good fight... OMG.... I must change alliance right away :) Sarcasm aside... I think Breed Love would find a sunday evening of flying around in empire as a privateer in just a half decent ship to be quite a challenge and quite a risk. Last night we had roaming gangs x4 of sizes 10-20 plus up our 'behinds'... Even in empire it's hard and risky to operate with hosties around! Does the major alliance take unnecesarry risk? Do they not put their freighters in NPC corporations ? I think so! And yes... the consequence of Privateers will be many will join NPC corporations to make THEIR way of playing EVE easier! Sadly, this is true!
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:57:00 - [97] U r pirates, nd pirates ned kelling! Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:58:00 - [98] Originally by: Shadowsword You sound as if you couldn't go in 0.4 and under. High-sec is your playground because you choose to stay there. As for numbers, isn't one of PA's excuses that they want to avoid blobs? Leave your alliance, declare war on a single pirate corp, every pirate corp in a single region if you want, and go pew-pew them. Then you'd have skirmishes against prepared enemies... But I guess you find haulers more fun... You comment without thought. Look up the carrier kills on our killboard mate... This would indicate that we actually do fly in low sec. Ask Myriad alliance if they had the pleasure of our company in Tama! And why pay good isk to get to shoot someone who you can already shoot in low sec due to their low sec. standing? Wouldn't it make more sense to just go there and shoot them, as there's no concord in low sec anyhow. Where is the logic and common sense in war deccing?
oniplE Cereal Killerz deadspace society	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:00:00 - [99] Privateers do what they do to have fun, and it seems to be working, and in the end, thats what this game is all about, so nice job on that one. However, that doesnt mean you gain or earn respect for what you are doing, its low-risk empire ganking without honor and you should not look surprise when you are looked down upon because of this.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:01:00 - [100] Originally by: Gibmundur U r pirates, nd pirates ned kelling! Privateers, Pirates, call it as you like... ... but please come kill us! It's actually what we're waiting and hoping for! :)
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:02:00 - [101] Originally by: oniplE Privateers do what they do to have fun, and it seems to be working, and in the end, thats what this game is all about, so nice job on that one. However, that doesnt mean you gain or earn respect for what you are doing, its low-risk empire ganking without honor and you should not look surprise when you are looked down upon because of this. How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region?
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:03:00 - [102] Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:07:00 - [103] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:09:00 - [104] you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:12:00 - [105] Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) omg your delusional! we 0.0ers have to come all the way back up to stinking empire to resupply! where you make it hell for us to move stuff to 0.0 for... if we could simply build stuff in 0.0 do you think wede ever bother coming up to empire to be killed outside jita 4 - 4 by you? and no in 0.0 you cant just dock! the majority of 0.0 does not have stations. stop making yourself look like a fool! go live in 0.0 for a little before you make wild assumptions!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:14:00 - [106] Originally by: JMcClane And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) You dock in your station - enemy comes in and kills your poses etc. If you want to defend your property you dont dock, you fight. Privies have nothing to defend, so docking isnt a problem for them. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:15:00 - [107] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) omg your delusional! we 0.0ers have to come all the way back up to stinking empire to resupply! where you make it hell for us to move stuff to 0.0 for... if we could simply build stuff in 0.0 do you think wede ever bother coming up to empire to be killed outside jita 4 - 4 by you? and no in 0.0 you cant just dock! the majority of 0.0 does not have stations. stop making yourself look like a fool! go live in 0.0 for a little before you make wild assumptions! I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple!
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:15:00 - [108] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. I am afraid to say that the only retard there is you sir, He is dam right, the OP spamed loads of crap about wanting a fight when the fact is you don't want to fight, you want to kill people wile they are looking at a black screen. Step off the high horse as it's made of wood and rocks my dear friend.
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [109] Good explanation, waterproof concept. Sounds like fun. join us today!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [110] Edited by: Breed Love on 26/02/2007 10:15:33 Originally by: JMcClane I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple! Then dont try to prtray yourselves as some noble heroes of teh empire, caus thats what makes you look stupid. Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Just stand for it, and ppl will respect you . If you pretend like you want risks, you just make yourself look like a fool. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:20:00 - [111] Originally by: Minigin you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game. Is it honerably to war dec all the major alliances in eve? YES, because your assumptions of us catching only stragglers and expensive haulers are way wrong. Quote: your never going to fight a battle you cant win. Would you fight a battle you didn't stand a chance of winning if you had no POS, outpost or whatever to protect? Would you engage 15 hostiles with 4, just because it was the honerable thing to do? I think not! And as of your comment on the divisions between the alliances at the moment. Yes it is perhaps oppertune for us. But Privateers have existed from before the beginning of this 'oh so great eve war'! Join us Minigin, and let's see how rich you will get!!! At least I have the guts to make my isk of PVP'ing instead of mining Crokite, moon mining or ratting which in established (and not attacked) 0.0 is the lowest risk ever!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:24:00 - [112] Originally by: Breed Love Edited by: Breed Love on 26/02/2007 10:15:33 Originally by: JMcClane I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple! Then dont try to prtray yourselves as some noble heroes of teh empire, caus thats what makes you look stupid. Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Just stand for it, and ppl will respect you . If you pretend like you want risks, you just make yourself look like a fool. I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. Quote: Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:25:00 - [113] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:23:26 Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. I am afraid to say that the only retard there is you sir, He is dam right, the OP spamed loads of crap about wanting a fight when the fact is you don't want to fight, you want to kill people wile they are looking at a black screen. Step off the high horse as it's made of wood and rocks my dear friend. Read the thread please... 4-4 has already been discussed to death earlier in the thread! And btw... It's not much easier for us to undock at 4-4 with wars ongoing with half the alliances ;) ... We get ganked there as much as the next one!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:31:00 - [114] Originally by: JMcClane I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. nothing wrong with enjoying the game the way you do, if you stand for it. You like easy ganks, just say it out loud and accept it. I look down upon you because you pretend like you want a challenge, while the whole concept of privateers is access to easy pvp. Im not saying it isnt fun. Im saying its easy. Quote: Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets! I've been fighting empire wars for a year and a half before moving to 0.0, I know what it is all about. If you know what you're doing, the risks are minimal, saying otherwise means you are a liar . ofcos if i some day decide i want some easy kills, ill join privateers without a doubt. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:33:00 - [115] Originally by: JMcClane You can argue that the war system need an overhaul. I, on the other hand, would argue that players older than 3 months should not have the option to stay in an NPC corporation and live a 100% protected life in EVE. They should be forced to participate in the massive multiplayer game that EVE is, and not be allowed to securely profit day after day without having to worry . Make a 25% tax toll in NPC corporations... Make them unable to use freighters... Make ppl play this game as a multiplayer game, and make them not 'bend the rules' and have their alts fly in NPC corporations so they can operate safely even while war decced.... If you want to play this game without risk, join a NPC corporation. You're safe and sound there to do whatever you wish to do. ATM... I personally hope it won't stay like that! CCP realised one importent thing: If you have a game where the penalty of death is harsh, you have to have a sanctum area where people can go to lick thier wounds and get ready for another day in the fight. WHat you do is break that very basic priciple. You only leave your targets with the option of joining the NPC corps to get that sanctum. (And YES its needed. We dont all get free easy kills to keep us fat.) Besides I dont for one minute belive that Privateeers dont have ****loads of alts in safe corps in empire... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:33:00 - [116] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36 SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they *** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway). So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives. And what do these people do? They cry some more. Good show Privateers! Wtf are u talking about... how does war decn every .0 alliance effect empire carebears? Granted there are quite a few people who have alts to make isk in empire but they're risking their mains in .0. I could see your point if they war dec'd individual corps but... I don't think people really care, it gets a bit tedious having to transfer everything to an alt then send them to jita but no biggy. What honks people off and why they think privateers are so pathetic is some of their a5shat members come on here claiming to be the next m0o and how fantastic they are at pvp. There are some good pvp corps in there ranks, so what? Originally by:** CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. nothing wrong with enjoying the game the way you do, if you stand for it. You like easy ganks, just say it out loud and accept it. I look down upon you because you pretend like you want a challenge, while the whole concept of privateers is access to easy pvp. Im not saying it isnt fun. Im saying its easy. Quote: Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets! I've been fighting empire wars for a year and a half before moving to 0.0, I know what it is all about. If you know what you're doing, the risks are minimal, saying otherwise means you are a liar . ofcos if i some day decide i want some easy kills, ill join privateers without a doubt. Privateers is easy access to PVP. Not access to easy PVP! 1. I stand for it... I like what I'm doing 2. I'm having fun 3. It's not easy ganks as we take the fights against also larger gangs, if we are capable of matching them without us getting ganked. 4. Problem atm is... your larger gangs are all fighting in 0.0, so we don't see too many of them... This result in more ganks at the moment. Before the GREAT EVE WAR, the circumstances were different. 5. Risks are perhaps minimal in empire as you could choose to dock and outwait the hostile forces. But how is Ctrl Q in 0.0 much different? (Or Ctrl + Q in empire for that sake... We do get quite a bit of that)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:38:00 - [118] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game. Is it honerably to war dec all the major alliances in eve? YES, because your assumptions of us catching only stragglers and expensive haulers are way wrong. Quote: your never going to fight a battle you cant win. Would you fight a battle you didn't stand a chance of winning if you had no POS, outpost or whatever to protect? Would you engage 15 hostiles with 4, just because it was the honerable thing to do? I think not! And as of your comment on the divisions between the alliances at the moment. Yes it is perhaps oppertune for us. But Privateers have existed from before the beginning of this 'oh so great eve war'! Join us Minigin, and let's see how rich you will get!!! At least I have the guts to make my isk of PVP'ing instead of mining Crokite, moon mining or ratting which in established (and not attacked) 0.0 is the lowest risk ever! youve got me all wrong my friend... i ONLY pvp. i dont rat i dont mine i dont do anything! and this is my only char! i know how to make a living off pvp and i do it in more honerable ways than you! granted i may have wardeced a few corps i knew i could defeat almost single handedly and gained considerable riches from this... but i am not greedy or selfish enough to war dec half of eve to fill my pocket!(which btw is filled enough out of 0.0 pvp that i will likely never have to rat again) grow up and stop thinking you are doing this because its a challenge. its easy as pie! if you want hard come join me in 0.0 and ill show you just what hard is!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:45:00 - [119] Originally by: JMcClane Privateers is easy access to PVP. Not access to easy PVP! 1. I stand for it... I like what I'm doing 2. I'm having fun 3. It's not easy ganks as we take the fights against also larger gangs, if we are capable of matching them without us getting ganked. 4. Problem atm is... your larger gangs are all fighting in 0.0, so we don't see too many of them... This result in more ganks at the moment. Before the GREAT EVE WAR, the circumstances were different. 5. Risks are perhaps minimal in empire as you could choose to dock and outwait the hostile forces. But how is Ctrl Q in 0.0 much different? (Or Ctrl + Q in empire for that sake... We do get quite a bit of that) ctrl-q is ebil, but tbh docking > ctrl-q. Atleast you are still in game and can smacktalk in local . kudos to you for taking on challenging fights if you really do that. however, then speak for yourself and not the whole alliance. Personally, when I travel in a gang > 5 ppl, the only privateers I see are docked ones. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:48:00 - [120] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Altar Mei Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36 SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they ***** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway). So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives. And what do these people do? They cry some more. Good show Privateers! Wtf are u talking about... how does war decn every .0 alliance effect empire carebears? Granted there are quite a few people who have alts to make isk in empire but they're risking their mains in .0. I could see your point if they war dec'd individual corps but... I don't think people really care, it gets a bit tedious having to transfer everything to an alt then send them to jita but no biggy. What honks people off and why they think privateers are so pathetic is some of their a5shat members come on here claiming to be the next m0o and how fantastic they are at pvp. There are some good pvp corps in there ranks, so what? I haven't claimed that we're fantastic in pvp... nor we are the next m0o... Don't start an argument about that in an otherwise nice thread. I guess it boils down to a question of what we want EVE to be like. The 0.0 alliances don't wanna make the bother of protecting their gear in empire. They like a risk free way of transporting their stuff and making money to provide their main out in what they believe is EVE's only true playground. What I'd like is a game that had consequence for ALL players. Where there is some sort of consequence, high or low, for everyone, whereever they may choose to be. We do need sanctuaries where ppl are relatively save. Not Safe Havens where they can not be touch and otherwise backup the cause of their 0.0 activities! high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players...
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:52:00 - [121] McClane you forgot to mention the other sweet thing your alliance does for cash. Extorting other corps and alliances for 50m ISK a week to avoid your wardec. Or is that the fee for both joining and NOT joining your alliance? And this "hey we're just having fun at the expense of others and can't be held accountable for any of the alliances actions as we're all independant corporations doing our own thing..." translates real well into "we're having fun passing the buck." Have fun while it lasts, the buck will stop. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:55:00 - [122] Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. --- Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:56:00 - [123] I must admit i'd like to see the war dec limit re introduced again.. cant say i'd miss all the lazy players that whining alot on the forums about how ppl dont understand them or how they are the next m0o or whatever.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:59:00 - [124] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Despite your much pandering in this thread, you've not convinced anyone that Privateers is anything other than a grieving institution. In fact your comments have proved that indeed that is your primary goal. Even though you yourself might not engage in some of the more questionable activies Privateers does, its just like anything in life. You and everyone in your alliance is a representative of that alliance. Thus what each and every one of you does reflects on the whole. If you don't like the reputation your alliance has garnered perhaps time to work on improving that image. Be more selective in your recruiting, stop just declaring war on everyone for no real purpose in empire ( just to get more shooting targets to me is not a real purpose, as it serves primarily to cause grief to others.). Plenty of PVP can be found in lower empire and 0.0. Stop camping already heavily loaded systems just to get kills while folks undock, stop placing containers wrecks and other items just outside a docking area. Stop blobbing your enemies since you seem not to like blobs, kinda hypocritical to do it yourself then say BoB is bad for doing it. The easier part first. I haven't said our enemies are bad for doing it. And how can you call my gang off 5 a blob? What I said was that we fight the fights we have a chance of winning! As far alliance reputation... I disagree... I don't judge you by the gaming style and by the actions of your fellow alliance member. If I did... I could find criticism to everyone posting on this forum. This is not a flame fest. It's a clarification of what Privateers is. If you choose to see us as nothing but oppotunitists then so be it. I just tried to tell you that same of us actually enjoy, and is looking for, a decent fight. Privateers brings many such fights. No alliances I've been in have been capable of supplying this. What they do supply is plenty of capital ops, large scalre fleet ops, lag, sitting by the screen for ours doing nothing but what you are commanded to do. Not THAT is where the TRUE pvp'ers are, isn't it? All them faithfull soldiers that follow the command of their fleet commander shooting at primary, secondary and tertiary.... Now there's true skills for you! It does require high intelligence, understanding of the game, the different ship capabilities, etc.... to press f1-f8 while locking the names being mentioned by an FC... Sorry... no thanks.... not my understanding of PVP... not my understanding of skills (except in this case the FC)... Unfortunately... It is however the ways of 0.0... Which is why you won't see my face in such large scale ops!
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:00:00 - [125] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. every single time ive roamed empire looking for fights with you lot... i see 2 different things... a huge camp on jita 4-4 or the usual opption is you docking... so dont sit there saying "oh we try to fight you but your too smart for us hiding in your safe 0.0 hidouts" cos everytime i come out of my ultra safe 0.0 place your all docked away! grow a pair... and if you cant do that... ill sell you the pair i obtained from the last b****** who crossed me...
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:03:00 - [126] The Privateer model is reasonable. The use of alts to populate the Privateers in order to shooty with impunity (and profit someone's main) is rubbish. Ban alts Ban alts Ban alts.... It won't happen... "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA
marcouk2 Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:04:00 - [127] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Despite your much pandering in this thread, you've not convinced anyone that Privateers is anything other than a grieving institution. In fact your comments have proved that indeed that is your primary goal. Even though you yourself might not engage in some of the more questionable activies Privateers does, its just like anything in life. You and everyone in your alliance is a representative of that alliance. Thus what each and every one of you does reflects on the whole. If you don't like the reputation your alliance has garnered perhaps time to work on improving that image. Be more selective in your recruiting, stop just declaring war on everyone for no real purpose in empire ( just to get more shooting targets to me is not a real purpose, as it serves primarily to cause grief to others.). Plenty of PVP can be found in lower empire and 0.0. Stop camping already heavily loaded systems just to get kills while folks undock, stop placing containers wrecks and other items just outside a docking area. Stop blobbing your enemies since you seem not to like blobs, kinda hypocritical to do it yourself then say BoB is bad for doing it. The easier part first. I haven't said our enemies are bad for doing it. And how can you call my gang off 5 a blob? What I said was that we fight the fights we have a chance of winning! As far alliance reputation... I disagree... I don't judge you by the gaming style and by the actions of your fellow alliance member. If I did... I could find criticism to everyone posting on this forum. This is not a flame fest. It's a clarification of what Privateers is. If you choose to see us as nothing but oppotunitists then so be it. I just tried to tell you that same of us actually enjoy, and is looking for, a decent fight. Privateers brings many such fights. No alliances I've been in have been capable of supplying this. What they do supply is plenty of capital ops, large scalre fleet ops, lag, sitting by the screen for ours doing nothing but what you are commanded to do. Not THAT is where the TRUE pvp'ers are, isn't it? All them faithfull soldiers that follow the command of their fleet commander shooting at primary, secondary and tertiary.... Now there's true skills for you! It does require high intelligence, understanding of the game, the different ship capabilities, etc.... to press f1-f8 while locking the names being mentioned by an FC... Sorry... no thanks.... not my understanding of PVP... not my understanding of skills (except in this case the FC)... Unfortunately... It is however the ways of 0.0... Which is why you won't see my face in such large scale ops! You paste the entirety of 0.0 pvp as lag filled boredom fests and aren't true pvpers yet you complain when people make similar broad assumptions about Privateers as hauler ganking nobodies. So take some of your medicine and accept that people want to play the game differently to you
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:04:00 - [128] Quote: kudos to you for taking on challenging fights if you really do that. however, then speak for yourself and not the whole alliance. Personally, when I travel in a gang > 5 ppl, the only privateers I see are docked ones. Which isn't that hard to believe when you think about the organization of the alliance. Smaller corporations of 10 or less, that have as mentioned before many greener pvp'ers around them not on same teamspeak. I'm not whining about the lack of organization and cooperation between the corporations. I'm just stating that it is so in Privateers. If you choose to think of local as 10+ privateers.... you are wrong in your assumption... It may be 3 gangs off 4.... 4 of them in decent ships, 3 of them docked for dinner and 3 of them flying tech I's.... THAT is why you some times / most of the time won't get the fight you're looking for!
Ecatherina W Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:04:00 - [129] Guys, please have some respect for JMcClane. 'Clane is a great pilot, a very decent person and one of the most calm and easygoing FC's you will ever have the joy of flying with, should you have that honor. 'Clane, hon... I don't do what you and the guys do, but I support your right to do it 110%. It is a game, you have your version of fun and that's it. To the "victims" of Privateers: Enroll on a PVP Basic class with Agony Unleashed and learn to fight back. You'll have tons of fun doing so. And the GOOD pilots of Privateers will enjoy the challenge. Agony Unleashed - isn't it time you learn to fight back? Hugs & kisses, Kath *** Ecatherina W *** Empress of the Multiverse Co-Founder of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish - the corp that DGAF! Shoot them, loot them and recruit them!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:06:00 - [130] Originally by: Redpants McClane you forgot to mention the other sweet thing your alliance does for cash. Extorting other corps and alliances for 50m ISK a week to avoid your wardec. Or is that the fee for both joining and NOT joining your alliance? And this "hey we're just having fun at the expense of others and can't be held accountable for any of the alliances actions as we're all independant corporations doing our own thing..." translates real well into "we're having fun passing the buck." Have fun while it lasts, the buck will stop. I have no knowledge of this happening, nor have I taken part in it... I'll only say this... if you're dumb enough to pay the bribe of 50 million, that's your fault.. you might as well be war decced anyhow if I as an example chose to pay for it! :)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:06:00 - [131] (last post for the night) i would have no problem with you saying... "yeh i like the money.. wtf is your problem?" but for you to sit here and say "i love the challange" its a huge joke. ive been involved in enough empire wars to tell you now that its easier than 0.0 any day! dont try and justify your actions to the eve community... we dont really care... if you want to make money by using the war dec feature in a very questionable manner go for it... but never tell me your doing this for the love of pvp. youde be much better off pirating!
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:07:00 - [132] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. Maybe less risk to the individual ratter, but on whole if you're a .0 alliance u stand to lose a great deal. What exactly do privateers risk? Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:10:00 - [133] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. every single time ive roamed empire looking for fights with you lot... i see 2 different things... a huge camp on jita 4-4 or the usual opption is you docking... so dont sit there saying "oh we try to fight you but your too smart for us hiding in your safe 0.0 hidouts" cos everytime i come out of my ultra safe 0.0 place your all docked away! grow a pair... and if you cant do that... ill sell you the pair i obtained from the last b****** who crossed me... Don't ridicule me with incorrect quotes. I've said no such thing and will make no further comments to your replies!
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:10:00 - [134] (one last post ;p) having just looked at your kb i respect you personaly cos you seem to be getting out there and doing some proper pvp. but as for your alliance as a whole... dont even get me started on that again >_>
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:12:00 - [135] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. every single time ive roamed empire looking for fights with you lot... i see 2 different things... a huge camp on jita 4-4 or the usual opption is you docking... so dont sit there saying "oh we try to fight you but your too smart for us hiding in your safe 0.0 hidouts" cos everytime i come out of my ultra safe 0.0 place your all docked away! grow a pair... and if you cant do that... ill sell you the pair i obtained from the last b****** who crossed me... Don't ridicule me with incorrect quotes. I've said no such thing and will make no further comments to your replies! i wasnt talking to you... lol theres another privateer guy half way up who said somthing to that effect (and i hope this is my lasy post for the night >_>)
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:13:00 - [136] Donno what the fuss is all about personaly. I make good money hanging around Privateer camps with my hauler alt feefing the loots from them.
Ritchler Gallente BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:13:00 - [137] TBFH mate, i like priv, i like the idea of empire becoming a free pvp playground Dont listen to these smacktards, chances are, half have been podded by u guys and are sore losers, i was in priv corp myself and i know it was a great laugh Oh and btw I NEVER WENT NEAR JITA People need to grow up, stop smacking and take it ingame
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:14:00 - [138] Quote: You paste the entirety of 0.0 pvp as lag filled boredom fests and aren't true pvpers yet you complain when people make similar broad assumptions about Privateers as hauler ganking nobodies. So take some of your medicine and accept that people want to play the game differently to you My experience and perception of the majority of PVP in 0.0 is that fleets move the markers. In order to participate in 0.0 you are required to do your part of this (which is more than fair)... I don't fancy this.. It doesn't give me any satiscation what so ever! Some of you are good pvp'ers..some of you are excellent pvp'ers and some of you are not. If you believe that following a fleet commander is pvp skills and makes you a better pvp'er then fine! I'm aware that not all pilots lack the skills... I'm just saying... it's not a challenge for the majority of the participants of a fleet battle to be in one. It's a question of listening and executing orders.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. every single time ive roamed empire looking for fights with you lot... i see 2 different things... a huge camp on jita 4-4 or the usual opption is you docking... so dont sit there saying "oh we try to fight you but your too smart for us hiding in your safe 0.0 hidouts" cos everytime i come out of my ultra safe 0.0 place your all docked away! grow a pair... and if you cant do that... ill sell you the pair i obtained from the last b****** who crossed me... Don't ridicule me with incorrect quotes. I've said no such thing and will make no further comments to your replies! i wasnt talking to you... lol theres another privateer guy half way up who said somthing to that effect (and i hope this is my lasy post for the night >_>) My bad then.... After DT kicked in, I can't keep pace with all the posts :)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:18:00 - [140] Originally by: Ritchler TBFH mate, i like priv, i like the idea of empire becoming a free pvp playground Dont listen to these smacktards, chances are, half have been podded by u guys and are sore losers, i was in priv corp myself and i know it was a great laugh Oh and btw I NEVER WENT NEAR JITA People need to grow up, stop smacking and take it ingame um yeh bias much? look me up on the priv killboards i bet you theres nothing on me. simply because they never fight me... undock ffs.
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:19:00 - [141] I usually tend not to post under Corp, Alliance & Org discussions board (a.k.a. forum pvp board). But I am tempted to atm, to also give my pov on how the alliance operates. Be aware, I stopped reading most of the replies after page 3, because more than half of them were just flame posts trolling, so I'm sorry if I re-state what was stated before. Anyway here is my take: Basically, privateer alliance is there for targets. They take anyone in who will pay the wardec, and the "privateer" corp takes most people in as well. This is in my opinion the reason for the bad publicity. The alliance is full of loot***s, alliance chat is used for smack half the time, and there are a lot of corps/players inside with no respect or PVP discipline whatsoever. Due to people being accepted just so everyone can have more targets, this means that there are a lot of smacktalkers, bad pvpers and generally not very nice people in the alliance. However. There are some PvP corps that recognize the alliance for what it is - more targets. We very often have some nice fights against PvP entities, kudos to GoonFleet, F4TAL, RA mostly, who keep people at bay. As long as you ignore the alliance mail spam and don't fall for obvious flamebait in the alliance chat, It is a very good source of targets. People also tend to band together in case of requiring assistance, although loot whoring is rather rampant. Lately also, some good pvp corps have joined the alliance, from the people I know from earlier - x13, Kemono, coracao ardente, BYDI, SERK, NFF - to name a few... As long as you work together with people you know, none of the loot whoring happens. And as JMC put it very well - consider the alliance a bunch of corporations who are in alliance to get as many targets as possible. Meaning, if you have contact with someone in privateer alliance, you should really refer to the corp that person was in (or the particular person should he be in the privateers corp). As to the quality of the fights - there sure is a lot of ganking going on, but also, there are some entities who fight us (as I mentioned earlier) and who are successful at it. Fact is - If you are a small pvp corp, that wants to just kill stuff for fun, and doesn't want get too involved with the southern blob conflict, privateer alliance is a fairly good idea. Most 0.0 areas are kinda bled dry these days, since most people are involved with fighting bob in the south. Also you will find, that the better pvp corps in the alliance consist of experienced players who have been operating .0 and been part of many large conflicts over the years. So saying "LAWL YOU GANK NOOBS OUTSIDE 4-4" is a little insulting. Basically, it is very beneficent for your kill:loss ratio when the enemy grossly underestimates you due to negative publicity on the forums. And I think most good pvpers in privateers really enjoy it when people think they "own them" and get really really*y, and die terribly + drop nice loot. So as summary... The alliance is not without it's problems (internal smack, loot***s, bad pvpers), but it also has great merits (good pvp corps, endless targets). And to all the people who go "after bob is dead we gank you in empire!!!111" well, I can just say "bring it". We will be waiting for you :) N.F.F. Recruitment
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:21:00 - [142] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players... I think there's alot less risk in 0.0 if you know what you're doing. Yes sometimes we monitor the undocking ramp at Jita 4-4, usually not more than 2 or 3 of us since it's really boring. But more than half the time, it's our wartargets who have it camped and locked down. My alt had a Brutix stuck in there for more than 24 hours cause of all the people sitting 500m away, and even with a safespot to instawarp to, I bumped about cause of all the people clogging the ramp. We really aren't what everyone says we are. But most people don't care, they'd rather just smack at us from the safe anonymity of their avatar. Which is pretty sad tbh. every single time ive roamed empire looking for fights with you lot... i see 2 different things... a huge camp on jita 4-4 or the usual opption is you docking... so dont sit there saying "oh we try to fight you but your too smart for us hiding in your safe 0.0 hidouts" cos everytime i come out of my ultra safe 0.0 place your all docked away! grow a pair... and if you cant do that... ill sell you the pair i obtained from the last b****** who crossed me... Don't ridicule me with incorrect quotes. I've said no such thing and will make no further comments to your replies! i wasnt talking to you... lol theres another privateer guy half way up who said somthing to that effect (and i hope this is my lasy post for the night >_>) My bad then.... After DT kicked in, I can't keep pace with all the posts :) lol sall good. like i said i saw your kills and im impressed that your not just ganking unfitted ships and haulers. but im still not pleased with the privateers idea that they are doign this because its challenging.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:24:00 - [143] Originally by: JMcClane My experience and perception of the majority of PVP in 0.0 is that fleets move the markers. In order to participate in 0.0 you are required to do your part of this (which is more than fair)... I don't fancy this.. It doesn't give me any satiscation what so ever! tbh, that is prolly were your experience is lacking.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:29:00 - [144] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: JMcClane My experience and perception of the majority of PVP in 0.0 is that fleets move the markers. In order to participate in 0.0 you are required to do your part of this (which is more than fair)... I don't fancy this.. It doesn't give me any satiscation what so ever! tbh, that is prolly were your experience is lacking.. It may be so, though I've tried flying as scout, battleship, support, carrier support and as part of the 'Dreadnaught, let's nuke that POS" squad... Neither of this gives me a hard on besides the fact that it's billions of isk being put on the line... It is however... to me... boring!
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:29:00 - [145] For a smaller scale corp in 0.0, the answer is fast-in-fast-out roaming warfare with hac/recon (or nano, with current meta) squads. It is by no means unviable, and it's fun. But it gets boring after you do it for a year. Privateers is the chance to try something different, it's fun convenient and lazy. Although the quality of the fights suffers slightly. It is easier to find a challenge in 0.0, however a lot of the time when you have a smaller gang in 0.0 and go to hostile space you gank 2-3 npcers, then get blobbed 5:1 odds and either manage to run or log. Sometimes people don't bring a huge blob, and you can have a nice fight (or if they are bad pvpers, you can fight them heavily outnumbered). Saying people "can't make it" in 0.0, so they join privateers is bull****. I used to be FC of a 0.0 alliance, doing larger scale stuff, been in smaller pvp corps roaming 0.0 and now in Privateers. Privateers is just different. N.F.F. Recruitment
APT BANK	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:31:00 - [146] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Quote: The alliance hold, and have no intentions of (to my knowledge), holding any 0.0 space, stations, pos's or the like. We do not stribe towards building titans or capital fleets. What do bring us together is our common interest in smaller gang/fleet engagements. We do not fancy 150 man gangs and everything this brings (mostly lag, bugs, client drops, irretation and last but not least politics). It's all about the thrill and the fun. What we do fancy is fast, fun and thrilling engagements. TRANSLATION: 0.0 is too hard, we rather war dec everyone and gank their empire carebears. This makes sense since many 0.0 entities don't run fleets in empire and that usually gives us good gank odds. On a personal note, I live in 0.0, so your 'fun' is irrelevant to me. REFLECTION: 0.0 is boring and doesn't give me any satisfaction, so I'd rather be at war with everyone so I have a higher chance of actually getting into a fight, even decent ones, as I just like to plainly fight without having to worry about politics. Good gank odds? I don't know about that.... Does your home region in 0.0 not give you pretty good gank odds when I come there? How is this different? A challenge isnt killing noobs in empire. If you want a challenge, how about forming a gang like you use in empire and head out to bob space. youll get a great fight from them, or any of the other alliances that occupy 0.0 we wont pit titans against your frig fleet, hell we wont even deploy dreads or carriers, we will spank you with frigs. Empire war decs against alliances and corps so you can kill their trainees rather than fighting their experienced pilots who live in 0.0 is not to ever be called a challenge, if you do then your not very good. and to say that you want to avoid lag, wtf is camping the hub systems? i doubt any 0.0 system will be as laggy unless its under a serious seige. I think privateers are lamers looking for easy kills and nothing more, grow a pair and play with the big boys. And once the allied vs coalition war is at an end, your memeber corps might want to reconsider the alliance they are in, because there will be ALOT of bored angry EXPERIENCED PVPers looking for something to kill..... and guess what, YOUR IT. And believe me, in empire 0.0 enemies wont be shooting each other, they will all focus on you. My 2 cents worth, this does not reflect the opinions of my corp or alliance and whatnot.
Cramps Fungal Infection	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:32:00 - [147] I don't think anyone with a brain hadn't figured out the information in the OP by now, but anyway... As far as I'm concerned, when you willfully associate with people who practice grief tactics, quasi-systematic theft of loot, and all sorts of lame ** all the time on such a large scale, no matter what you as an individual do -- when you associate with that , then you are that same ** because you condone it tacitly. I understand that there are some good people or corps in Privateers, I've never for one second doubted it, but right now your alliance has been branded the number #1 bunch of noob griefers with good reason despite the undeniable fact that there are normal, decent people in Privateers. I can tell that you, JMcClane, sound like a good, reasonable guy, but as long as you fly under the PRVTR tag, people -- myself included -- will look at you and think very poorly of you no matter your actions or words as an individual. It's nothing personal. I'm sure being in Privateers is fun and I've even considered joining myself, but with your entity being plagued by the presence within its ranks of countless morons (large percentage thereof), well... like I said, you associate with them, you're one of them. One could say that's a very manichean logic, and I resent it, but I am sadly compelled to believe it to be true when it comes to Privateers.
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:37:00 - [148] Originally by: Cramps Edited by: Cramps on 26/02/2007 11:31:45 I don't think anyone with a brain hadn't figured out the information in the OP by themselves by now, but anyway... As far as I'm concerned, when you willfully associate with people who practice grief tactics, quasi-systematic theft of loot, and all sorts of lame ** all the time on such a large scale, no matter what you as an individual do -- when you associate with that , then you are that same ** because you condone it tacitly. I understand that there are some good people or corps in Privateers, I've never for one second doubted it, but right now your alliance has been branded the number #1 bunch of noob griefers with good reason despite the undeniable fact that there are normal, decent people in Privateers. I can tell that you, JMcClane, sound like a good, reasonable guy, but as long as you fly under the PRVTR tag, people -- myself included -- will look at you and think very poorly of you no matter your actions or words as an individual. It's nothing personal. I'm sure being in Privateers is fun and I've even considered joining myself, but with your entity being plagued by the presence within its ranks of countless morons (large percentage thereof), well... like I said, you associate with them, you're one of them. One could say that's a very manichean logic, and I resent it, but I am sadly compelled to believe it to be true when it comes to Privateers. Guess what. I don't give a damn about stupid people making generalisations. They never get far - not in game and not IRL. This thread was there to provide a fairly neutral take on alliances, flaming it to hell shows how bitter people are that they can't afk travel through empire. As long as enemies keep grossly underestimating us and dying to us (and it's going to happen a lot more once the bob conflict is over) I am one happy puppy. N.F.F. Recruitment
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:39:00 - [149] Originally by: APT BANK A challenge isnt killing noobs in empire. If you want a challenge, how about forming a gang like you use in empire and head out to bob space. 1. Everyone in Empire isn't a noob. 2. 0.0 isn't the playground of the cool. It's the playground of the whiny and spoiled (if anything is to be gathered from this forum). Originally by: APT BANK Empire war decs against alliances and corps so you can kill their trainees rather than fighting their experienced pilots who live in 0.0 is not to ever be called a challenge, if you do then your not very good. Why don't you train your guys in 0.0? Originally by: APT BANK I think privateers are lamers looking for easy kills and nothing more, grow a pair and play with the big boys. They are playing with the "big boys", but they chose to do so in Empire and not in 0.0. Is that hard to understand or something? Originally by: APT BANK And once the allied vs coalition war is at an end, your memeber corps might want to reconsider the alliance they are in, because there will be ALOT of bored angry EXPERIENCED PVPers looking for something to kill..... and guess what, YOUR IT. And believe me, in empire 0.0 enemies wont be shooting each other, they will all focus on you. But... OMG!!! That would mean you would have to fight in Empire, shooting who you now describe as bad PvPers and noobs. Wouldn't that, by your own logic, make you a bad PvPer and a noob? Originally by: APT BANK My 2 cents worth, this does not reflect the opinions of my corp or alliance and whatnot. Which alliance would that be? Can't see any corp or alliance ticker under your portrait. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Thranduil Saralonde Takigama Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:41:00 - [150] omg do you also see it. the sky is falling!!!
Boogiez	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:57:00 - [151] Well Seems to its all About Jita 4-4 Personally myself i dont like to sit in jita and think i have close to 0 kill there there is alot of other good place to be .. I dont get why people fly there then they know the risk and afterwards sitting and whining about it here ... Its simple awoid Jita if you not willing to take the risk Its Lovely there still are consequences in things People do in eve ...
APT BANK Amarr Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.26 11:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: APT BANK Which alliance would that be? Can't see any corp or alliance ticker under your portrait. /Ki I hadnt intended to post on this char, it must ahve defaulted after reformatitng my hdd... at any rate, iv fixed the settings to show corp/alliance. My intention wasnt to call everyone in empire noobs btw, but most of the alliance Privateers war decs, have their pvpers fighting in 0.0, while the noobs of those alliances are trying to find their feet in empire. I cant recruit noobs because they get shot down by privateers. You want me to train my guys in 0.0? 1 day old noob killing a battleship? hell even cruisers would *****them, you tell me how logical it is to train noobs in 0.0, if thats the place to train and empire is the place to pvp, why dont ccp reverse the sec standings? lets make 0.0 carebear land and empire the place to be for pvp..... fact is, empire war decs are to greif mission runners and miners. nothing more. if this isnt true, why war dec random corps, who frankly dont want to pvp? and i recon there are alot of these corps who will agree that they are not pvpers and there is no reason for privateers to war dec them except to grief. my MAIN is Shuriath if you would like to know....
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:01:00 - [153] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: JMcClane My experience and perception of the majority of PVP in 0.0 is that fleets move the markers. In order to participate in 0.0 you are required to do your part of this (which is more than fair)... I don't fancy this.. It doesn't give me any satiscation what so ever! tbh, that is prolly were your experience is lacking.. It may be so, though I've tried flying as scout, battleship, support, carrier support and as part of the 'Dreadnaught, let's nuke that POS" squad... Neither of this gives me a hard on besides the fact that it's billions of isk being put on the line... It is however... to me... boring! I've done that all too, that has it's place in 0.0 (a major place ofc), but so does solo/small group combat.. the difference in 0.0 is the risk is greater, the work needed is greater.. you dont get to run and hide in the local station.. If you've not experienced this type of PVP.. then your in no position to claim PA is anything more than lazy griefers tbh.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:08:00 - [154] tbh im envious, they must have alot of fun with as many wars as this. they are doing what they want to do, i actually find empire more of a challenge to fight in than 0.0, where the blob rules and its very rare to see gangs of less than 50. one thing though, they need to stop complaing when they get ganked, they do exactly the same thing to their war targets and need to accept it as part of the job. eve is a game of bait and ganks. d solo. celes apoc new kilboard
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:15:00 - [155] Originally by: Ki An 1. Everyone in Empire isn't a noob. Not everyone, at any given time there are 4 to 5 decent pilots passing through empire on their way back to big boy land. Originally by: Ki An They are playing with the "big boys", but they chose to do so in Empire and not in 0.0. Is that hard to understand or something? No, they really arn't. Is that hard to understand or somthing? There is no doubt, having endless targets in empire provides endless hours of mindnumbing entertainment. I'm sure they do get some decent fights. Nevertheless, the station-gank battles which consumes most empire wars are pathetic in comparison to organized 0.0 battles. Point being, the majority of empire based player would get creamed if they attempted to bring it to 0.0. Not just in numbers and capital, but mainly in experiance and organization. --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:27:00 - [156] Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Ki An 1. Everyone in Empire isn't a noob. Not everyone, at any given time there are 4 to 5 decent pilots passing through empire on their way back to big boy land. I am very sorry, but that has to be one of the most arrogant lines I've read in this overly arrogant forum. Please, for your own sake, get off your high horse before you fall off. Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Ki An They are playing with the "big boys", but they chose to do so in Empire and not in 0.0. Is that hard to understand or something? No, they really arn't. Is that hard to understand or somthing? They are shooting the major alliances. The major alliances are at fault for not protecting their empire dwellers and those who like to afk travel through "safe" space. So, they are playing with the "big boys", but the "big boys" don't like to play. Originally by: xHomicide There is no doubt, having endless targets in empire provides endless hours of mindnumbing entertainment. I'm sure they do get some decent fights. Nevertheless, the station-gank battles which consumes most empire wars are pathetic in comparison to organized 0.0 battles. Point being, the majority of empire based player would get creamed if they attempted to bring it to 0.0. And it is my opinion that 0.0 blob warfare is utterly mindnumbingly boring and that it can in no way compare to the thrilling fun of empire small scale warfare. Do you see how this works? We like two different aspects of the game. Originally by: xHomicide Not just in numbers and capital, but mainly in experiance and organization. But mainly in numbers and capital. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:31:00 - [157] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: JMcClane My experience and perception of the majority of PVP in 0.0 is that fleets move the markers. In order to participate in 0.0 you are required to do your part of this (which is more than fair)... I don't fancy this.. It doesn't give me any satiscation what so ever! tbh, that is prolly were your experience is lacking.. It may be so, though I've tried flying as scout, battleship, support, carrier support and as part of the 'Dreadnaught, let's nuke that POS" squad... Neither of this gives me a hard on besides the fact that it's billions of isk being put on the line... It is however... to me... boring! I've done that all too, that has it's place in 0.0 (a major place ofc), but so does solo/small group combat.. the difference in 0.0 is the risk is greater, the work needed is greater.. you dont get to run and hide in the local station.. If you've not experienced this type of PVP.. then your in no position to claim PA is anything more than lazy griefers tbh.. I've spend the majority of my eve time being an underdog in 0.0 working as a pirate! I know smaller gang tactics in 0.0 as well... It's a lot like what we do in empire right now, just less targets to shoot!
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:44:00 - [158] Ki An: You act like 0.0 combat is nothing but blobs... Believe it or not small gang combat is allowed in 0.0; its just missing the extra 400 neutrals floating around, random people taking your loot, the ability to station hump in every system, the lag, the random concord death, and the lame ganks as people black-screen out of stations. 0.0 is like free empire wars...minus all the lame. Most combat oriented players realize this and move, the carebears stay in empire. This is why empire wars are lame, by war deccing an alliance you are affectively declaring war on their 'carebears'. The PvP driven players could care less, they have the lame-free combat they desire in 0.0 space, why would they travel into the lameness to fight the lamers? --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Yakti Hedion University	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:52:00 - [159] So, in response to the people who don't like empire wars (D2, AAA, CA and all the others), it is ok to bandwagon together and get 5 to 1 numbers in 0.0, but it is not ok to do some empire wars, even for ganking?
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 12:59:00 - [160] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Templer Relleg You guys dont get it. I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. ... And seeing that empire is so much more fun... Maybe the reason for all that 'fun' is because there are no real opponents fighting back? Easy fights, easy kills? No risk of getting spanked if you mess up with the wrong people? Sure you can do all that, but in my eyes it is nothing to be proud of. And I can't see the fun there either. No risk no fun You didnt quote the whole post, and didnt read all i said. People DO fight back, and theres 1 certain alliance who are in empire atm, just to gank US. There is alot of risk in empire. Its basically 0.0 with too many stations(I would love to see them removed)
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:02:00 - [161] Edited by: xHomicide on 26/02/2007 12:58:54 Originally by: Yakti So, in response to the people who don't like empire wars (D2, AAA, CA and all the others), it is ok to bandwagon together and get 5 to 1 numbers in 0.0, but it is not ok to do some empire wars, even for ganking? Has nothing to do with it, the issue is, why not just bring it to 0.0 so we can fight without the bull**** of empire? Every other PvPer in the universe of eve figured it out. Unless you're mainly seeking to gank haulers? --- http://www.razor-eve.org/killboard/?a=kills Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:05:00 - [162] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 26/02/2007 13:02:02 And if us privateers are so bad, how about you take a PvP 101(NOT just how to shoot at pos, or blob a gate), and come and beat us? You talk like we are crap at pvp. Prove it, come and fight us. Im sure we will both enjoy it! This ofc. is my own opinien.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:06:00 - [163] Originally by: xHomicide Ki An: You act like 0.0 combat is nothing but blobs... Believe it or not small gang combat is allowed in 0.0; its just missing the extra 400 neutrals floating around, random people taking your loot, the ability to station hump in every system, the lag, the random concord death, and the lame ganks as people black-screen out of stations. I am well aware of this. Problem is, you seem to regard empire warfare as nothing more than station camping, which is far from the truth as well. I have had fun fleet fights, but I have more fun in small scale engagements, and the things you see as lame I appreciate. The lag is not heavy if you stay away from the hubs. Concord don't shoot random people. Some people actually use the stations as part of their tactics (wether you feel it's lame or not). We do not, however, have LAME stuff such as interdictor bubbles and sit around a gate all day long ganking noobs like 0.0 corps do Originally by: xHomicide 0.0 is like free empire wars...minus all the lame. Empire isn't free, but it's very fun, and you don't have to worry about politics or finding a place to dock for the night. So, in short, it's like 0.0 minus all the lame. Again Originally by: xHomicide Most combat oriented players realize this and move, the carebears stay in empire. Some combat oriented players - such as myself - tried 0.0, didn't enjoy it much, and went back to empire. If that makes me lame, then I guess I am. I am having fun though. I hope you are too. Originally by: xHomicide This is why empire wars are lame, by war deccing an alliance you are affectively declaring war on their 'carebears'. The PvP driven players could care less, they have the lame-free combat they desire in 0.0 space, why would they travel into the lameness to fight the lamers? So you're saying that the Privateers are lame for deccing every major alliance in EVE, because those alliances can't protect their carebears in empire (wtf???)? Wouldn't that make you lame, 'cause you can't be arsed to jump into empire to protect your alliance mates, so you whine about it on the forums instead? Not really trying to flame, it just comes out of it's own. I just feel this whole argument is so silly it's almost untrue. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:09:00 - [164] Originally by: xHomicide Nevertheless, the station-gank battles which consumes most empire wars are pathetic in comparison to organized 0.0 battles. Point being, the majority of empire based player would get creamed if they attempted to bring it to 0.0. Not just in numbers and capital, but mainly in experiance and organization. Hmm, Blobbing one shuttle with 30 Gatecampers is indeed very risky and intelligent. Or are you talking about the recent great fun of cyno-doomsday, which everybody whines about? I wonder why they all whine that those great battles don't happen anymore when in your mind obviously the do happen. - I got a portrait now, wheeeee! \o/
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:15:00 - [165] Originally by: JMcClane I've spend the majority of my eve time being an underdog in 0.0 working as a pirate! I know smaller gang tactics in 0.0 as well... It's a lot like what we do in empire right now, just less targets to shoot! yes, well that's exactly why i believe that the wardec limit should be re introduced. I dont believe that meaningless PVP should be easier to find in empire than in 0.0 _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Kather Amarr Evil Proctologists	Posted - 2007.02.26 13:21:00 - [166] so, from what i can work out here, if u live in 0.0, you are an uber pvp'r, and if u dont, u're not. ok, i spent almost a year living (and fighting) in 0.0. i guess then, that during that time, i was an awesome pvp'r!! wow brilliant. now however, i live and do a fair chunk of my pvp in empire. i can actually FEEL that my skills at pew pewing have decreased.
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Bruno Capri Minmatar The Scarecrows	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:16:00 - [168] Is what PA doing much different to what most other alliances do when they operate in 0.0 territory? I mean if I came out to your area in 0.0, you would most probably gank me as soon as you saw me, right? This is just roles reversed; most 0.0 alliances are content to hold their space, make lots of isk from rare ores, pirate loot & complexes and kill all who do not fly under their flag. And still feel safe when they venture back to empire; well not anymore... Ok, so that was kinda pro PA, but there are some things that I think are a little unbalanced. Most of the corps in PA (with the exception of Privateers Corp, BYDI, and a few others) seem to join & leave PA on a regular basis. Now this may be for various reasons but it means these corps choose when to fight and when not to. Corps within 0.0 alliances probably don't have such luxuries. You could argue that if an individual wants to go back to empire then they can leave the corp but isn't this against the rules or frowned upon?
moumou78 JASDIP	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:30:00 - [169] My understanding is that Privateers are a mercenary alliance. They are hired by some entity to distrub and harass the empire flow and operations of their targets. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Its a nuissance and thats how its meant to be. As for their tactics they are nothing short of typical empire piracy.Not all pirates are gutless corwardly **** heads. As any pvper, it makes perfect sense to keep good odds in your favour. I was shot at by members of privateer in the past and shot back. Though no hard feelings its all a game Peace out
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:32:00 - [170] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 26/02/2007 13:02:02 And if us privateers are so bad, how about you take a PvP 101(NOT just how to shoot at pos, or blob a gate), and come and beat us? You talk like we are crap at pvp. Prove it, come and fight us. Im sure we will both enjoy it! This ofc. is my own opinien. Thats hard to do. Im sure there are some..like your corp that fight. But the other 400+ log, or dock as soon as more than one person in a pvp alliance shows up in anything other than a hauler or a mission raven. This ofc is my opinion.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.26 14:36:00 - [171] can I join? Dark-Rising
Lilyeth	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:14:00 - [172] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 26/02/2007 01:56:31 Originally by: JMcClane Look me up on our killboard mate... Check how many kills I've made in Jita.... You judge us all by the action of a few. As I explained above. We are not alike, though our alliance ticker may be the same! Well if that is what you are trying to explain, then maybe you should stop inviting just about everyone into your alliance. Yesterday, I flew my alt down to Jita...and sat and watched. So dont call me retard. Its pathetic at best what they do there Edit..next time I'm there, I will screen shot the can in front of docking port. its hard enough to undock from Jita without cheap tricks like that. btw..my alt is the sexy chick in a rifter You are one hell of a stupid guy, arent you? "My Cheapness Sells" - Caritew, Chinafarmer
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:26:00 - [173] Originally by: Minigin i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap. Because I don't fly T2 ships I don't take risks? That is the dumbest friggen reason for dumping crap on the Privateers I have read on the forums so far. This just makes me want to stop training up to fly the T2 ships I have my eye on just to tweek your friggen nose. What is that saying I always read on the forums? Oh right, it's "Only fly what you can afford to lose". Are you telling me I should place all my hard earned isk (from all those hauler ganks I have done) and buy the most expensive ship I can, load it up with millions of isk in guns and modules, then fly it out and get it blown up and have no isk left to replace it? If that is the case then I don't give a rats ass about ever having your respect in this game. The only people that have given me crap in Empire are jackasses who come in from 0.0 expecting an easy ride through Empire cause they don't know what the hell they are doing. The ones I respect are the so-called carebears who at least learn from their mistakes. A majority of the so-called carebears in Empire that I have helped blast into space dust have not smacked us in local. The Alliance carebears in Empire should leave these broke ** 0.0 Alliances because they can't even tell em how to set up the overview to help avoid the Privateers. I have no respect for a majority of the 0.0 Alliances due to the fact that they can't even be bothered to protect their Empire brothers and sisters. The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance.** ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Talen Reaper AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.26 15:49:00 - [174] this Sunday I thought I would make me some miner alts for mining in empire as my mains are in oo and fighting in the war .. I made 3 alts all Frenches ..better mining starter stats (drones) on the way to were I was planning to put them there is a .4 on my way through with my 5 min old chars what do I find but 2 privateer`s gate camping in a domi & a cepter and a bunch of dead noob`s ..they didn't get me they tried like hell but for some reason couldn't hit my noob ship ... if this is the type of risks you take then tanking a gate gun & nosing noobs while the cepter takes them down then I applaud you ...cause this must be great fun
Monkey Spankah coracao ardente Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 16:17:00 - [175] Edited by: Monkey Spankah on 26/02/2007 16:16:58 Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif I gank haulers /signed EDIT: Plus 0.0 is not the big boy land. I've spent a good 3 quarters of my time in eve in 0.0 and all i can say is BORING. sure GNW was fun EWW will be fun. but when its all over it goes back to NAP land. I much prefer fighting with you guys in empire. sure we win some we lose some but its better then crashing a node in deep 0.0, i know our small 4 on 4s are 5 times as much fun as the mega blobs happening right now and im sure if you ask the alliance members who have been involved in these small fair skirmashes they will agree, Meh all i have to say enjoy the mega blob and primarys ill be having real fun.
Kai page coracao ardente Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 16:34:00 - [176] Edited by: Kai page on 26/02/2007 16:31:49 Originally by: darth solo tbh im envious, they must have alot of fun with as many wars as this. they are doing what they want to do, i actually find empire more of a challenge to fight in than 0.0, where the blob rules and its very rare to see gangs of less than 50. one thing though, they need to stop complaing when they get ganked, they do exactly the same thing to their war targets and need to accept it as part of the job. eve is a game of bait and ganks. d solo. d solo has got it we have fun. 0.0 blobs and ganks just as much as empire does. There are some decent pvpers and some bad ones in privateers, like all alliances. Small scale even figths are hard to find these days but we get a few. insurgency have come to empire looking for figths and have got a lot of kills out of it, so props for them for brining the fight to privateers. Decadance did this aswell yesterday and privateers brought out a gang and it was all "gf" in local afterwards. Sure privateers gank alot of people but so do 0.0 alliances aswell. edit: spelling
Omerph Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 16:44:00 - [177] Most of these post sound like folks that are upset they can't fly safe through Empire. This is the whole point about the Pirvateers, we are here to make sure Empire is no longer safe for you to AFK your Freighter. With the policy for allowing members into the corp and Alliance, sure you might find some that will dock or use stupid tactics, but this might be because they are alts of your Alliance mates looking to have some fun. I've spent me entire Eve life living in 0.0 or pirating in low sec. I can say this has been the most fun I've had in a long time and a lot of my former corp mates feel the same since they've joined in the fun. You may call us cowards or other things, but in reality we are all pirates that have finally figured out that the really good loot is in Empire. Keep flying those Faction Battleships full of tech 2 gear, it helps pay the bills. And yes I will fight you if I see you, because I have no problem using tech 2 ships.
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 16:57:00 - [178] Originally by: Kai page edit: spelling Couldnt care about the spelling. But your sig rocks!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:10:00 - [179] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 17:07:48 Originally by: Mitch Taylor can I join? Contact me ingame (after you unblock me) and I'm sure we can work something out :) Nice gang you guys threw after us when we decced you btw... Unfortunetely... I was the only one online at the time and didn't feel a greater urge to test neither my crow nor my dominix against your 20-25 man large cruiser gang :) Hope we can even the odds a bit on a later date and get a decent fight! BTW... My best to all those who spend their time in Paragon Soul. May you live in safety and prosper. PS. I miss you lot!
Mr Filth Xenophobes	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:45:00 - [180] I think The Privateer alliance is an excellent idea. I do however fail to see the correlation between a challenge and wardeccing a "n00b" corp.
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:49:00 - [181] Originally by: Mr Filth I think The Privateer alliance is an excellent idea. I do however fail to see the correlation between a challenge and wardeccing a "n00b" corp. You missed something. We dont always pick which corps we wardec. Sometime outside sources pay for wardecs against certain corps. So the noob corps we wardec might not be because we wanna wardec a noob corp, but because someone paid us to.
Mr Filth Xenophobes	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:52:00 - [182] Edited by: Mr Filth on 26/02/2007 17:49:42 indeed i did miss something. My bad. Maybe you should reconsider who gets in and what wars they bring to the table; just to get a decent standard or "a challenge". Just and idea though. - wasnt aware that Privateer Alliance did "merc" contracts.
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:56:00 - [183] all i have seen is nano fits, dockings and loggings. so no i dont think you like "small engagements"
Templer Relleg x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:29:00 - [184] Originally by: Ace101 all i have seen is nano fits, dockings and loggings. so no i dont think you like "small engagements" Yes, nano fits are the flavor of the month. But i know of nothing to do with dockings and loggings. HI Ace!
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:49:00 - [185] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Quoted for truth. PA just wantes easy non fighting targets to enrich them. What a bunch of pansies. ________________________________________________________
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:56:00 - [186] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Kai page edit: spelling Couldn't care about the spelling. But your sig rocks!! hey kai stole my ninja edit:P Personally privateers hasn't seemed to mean only easy hauler ganks or any of the stereotypes, infact the number of BS's killed on our KB has always outnumbered the number of haulers by a considerable amount. but i think D solo hit the reason many corps are here on the head
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:37:00 - [187] Originally by: Templer Relleg You guys dont get it. I joined privateers less then a week ago. And i have REAL fun. I dont sit at any pos, or sit in 100-man gang at a ss, being asked to log off. Nodes dont crash. The only thing that crashes, is the war targets' ships. All this 0.0 stuff snip *****ed me up. And seeing that empire is so much more fun(Sure, docking games can be crap, hence why i never attack at stations), im not likely to go to 0.0 anymore. I have also had so much better fights in empire. I guess its because people underestimate us. There sure is people who camp jita 4-4, cos there is so many targets in there. I respect that they do that. It doesnt float my boat. I roam around. Why did you join them? You seem to like a good fight. Your best chance of fighting an armed and prepared force in empire (which seems where you prefer to fight) would be to wardec the Privateers, not join them. Unless ofcourse you just want to gank random people for loot... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:59:00 - [188] Edited by: USN CVN72 on 26/02/2007 20:55:59 Damn i love it when i see Privateers in 0.0 hehehehe I think they are growing some elephant ----'-...
Sameth Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:03:00 - [189] Originally by: JMcClane Big long heart wrenching post abotu how privateers are just misunderstood No one cares. Your pests, annoyances, to be swatted aside when you get too annoying and to curse occasionally for making people stay in the hell that is empire space longer than they want as they dodge the odd gate camp. We dont give a **, you will find no understanding here because your just a bunch of nuisances, if thats what makes you happy cool, but dont come crying to eve-o because people dont understand you. You kill people in empire, its what you do, dont equivocate on your motivations they dont matter. Just do your thing and be happy with it, if your unhappy doing it ... do something else ... but for **s sake see a shrink if you cant deal with the fact everyone hates you.
Klasper x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:34:00 - [190] Edited by: Klasper on 26/02/2007 21:32:19 I've got the following personal reasons why I like being in Privateers: Love the tactics/strategies in PvP Love the adrenaline in a fight, which Privateers bring alot of Love having alot of targets Love being able to pay for PvP'ing by PvP'ing Love the fact that I can say I'm at war against a major part of EvE Hate politics Hate 100 vs 100 - instapopping fleet battles which removes every bit of personal tactic Hate POS/capital warfare (100 man fleets just waiting while 10-20 man sits counting their siege mode-counter) This is the reasons Privateers is the place for me... agree or disagree with my priorities and way to play if you like...
DgO4 Final-Vendetta The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.02.26 21:56:00 - [191] Edited by: DgO4 on 26/02/2007 21:53:37 Where do you boys hang out? We would like to come say hello but cant find you. You seem to be afk in dock most of the time. where aaaarrr yeeeeeee We are the pilgrims, Master, We will always go a little farther.....
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:16:00 - [192] Privateers must be doing something right to get all the "0.0 kiddies" panties in knots. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:20:00 - [193] Originally by: Gift Privateers must be doing something right to get all the "0.0 kiddies" panties in knots. All
PHPR Freighter Minmatar Farmer Killers	Posted - 2007.02.26 22:47:00 - [194] Edited by: PHPR Freighter on 26/02/2007 22:49:12 I have a personal vendetta against Privateers (already lost around 60 mil to them) and my vendetta against ROADKILL is even worse. If they aren't at war with Roadkill already... I will pay for the war myself when I get the funds... But first, make money for clones and what not and rejoin the war in the south. VSPC kicked me for being a "spy" and for being a noob in 0.0... DEATH TO VERONICA SP/ALPHAGEEK1/ALPHAGEEK4!! (seriously.. they suck )
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:36:00 - [195] I don't know about the rest of you, but I enjoy breaking thru privateer blockades in my Hoarder. It's funny when you watch a frigate privateer chase after you, only to zoom past too eagerly into the next system while you are turning around to the safespot you made mid jump...... :-) works almost EVERY time, try it. Then you sit and wait patiently for the privateer to crawl back, embarrassed as hell as you write in local, "nice try". I don't know about the rest of you, but logging off to avoid these guys while i'm in my hauler or mining cruiser is the way to go. You have a lot of time to get where you are going if you aren't pvping. Put the "honor" factor aside and survive, don't make this profitable for privateers and they WILL go away. Be smart, fly smart, and stay away from Jita, there are plenty of other places to buy things.
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:01:00 - [196] i have had my first fights against privateers today and i really enjoyed them... short... hart hitting... exciting, like pvp should be. we killed something, they killed something - everybody had fun. and the people i met so far didnt smack talk... even not the one who lost a hac to us. they were nice and they gave us good fights. as a carebear i say to other carebears in the carebear language: stop insulting or blaming every privateer for ganking jita. there are some really nice guys between them.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:24:00 - [197] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: Minigin i wasnt arguing that your t2 frigs are a wrong tactic... i understand that you need fast lock... but i find it annoying that the risks privateers take are miniscule in comparison to those we have to take... and lets face it... the majority of PA does not fly terribly expencive ships into pvp on regular engagements... on several occasions infact you just see a swarm of t1 frigs destroyers and cruisers... so preaching that you do take risks is a load of crap. Because I don't fly T2 ships I don't take risks? That is the dumbest friggen reason for dumping crap on the Privateers I have read on the forums so far. This just makes me want to stop training up to fly the T2 ships I have my eye on just to tweek your friggen nose. What is that saying I always read on the forums? Oh right, it's "Only fly what you can afford to lose". Are you telling me I should place all my hard earned isk (from all those hauler ganks I have done) and buy the most expensive ship I can, load it up with millions of isk in guns and modules, then fly it out and get it blown up and have no isk left to replace it? If that is the case then I don't give a rats ass about ever having your respect in this game. The only people that have given me crap in Empire are jackasses who come in from 0.0 expecting an easy ride through Empire cause they don't know what the hell they are doing. The ones I respect are the so-called carebears who at least learn from their mistakes. A majority of the so-called carebears in Empire that I have helped blast into space dust have not smacked us in local. The Alliance carebears in Empire should leave these broke ** 0.0 Alliances because they can't even tell em how to set up the overview to help avoid the Privateers. I have no respect for a majority of the 0.0 Alliances due to the fact that they can't even be bothered to protect their Empire brothers and sisters. The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance.** you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:36:00 - [198] Originally by: Minigin you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. If you're so hardcore, such a 'leet pvper', risking it all in your faction fitted CNR, then instead of smacking on the forums, why don't you come to empire, sit on a gate somewhere near Amarr, and convo one of us to arrange a fight. But no, because we'd crush you utterly, and then you'd be out of pocket. And your Eve experience is only fun when you're cruising with the 200 man blob ganking 1 month old noob-corpers in 0.0 trying to make some isk to buy their first battlecruiser. I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of just about everything you've accused us of being throughout this thread. Prck. --- Originally by:* Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:39:00 - [199] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. If you're so hardcore, such a 'leet pvper', risking it all in your faction fitted CNR, then instead of smacking on the forums, why don't you come to empire, sit on a gate somewhere near Amarr, and convo one of us to arrange a fight. But no, because we'd crush you utterly, and then you'd be out of pocket. And your Eve experience is only fun when you're cruising with the 200 man blob ganking 1 month old noob-corpers in 0.0 trying to make some isk to buy their first battlecruiser. I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of just about everything you've accused us of being throughout this thread. Pr*ck. I convoed an x13 dude tonight wont mention names and arranged a 1v1 and after 30 seconds it became 7 v 1 but i put all wcs on knowing that it wouldnt be a fair fight and i warped off. As for your 1v1 offer your all full of ----.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:56:00 - [200] Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 27/02/2007 03:52:42 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Because I don't fly T2 ships I don't take risks? That is the dumbest friggen reason for dumping crap on the Privateers I have read on the forums so far. This just makes me want to stop training up to fly the T2 ships I have my eye on just to tweek your friggen nose. What is that saying I always read on the forums? Oh right, it's "Only fly what you can afford to lose". Are you telling me I should place all my hard earned isk (from all those hauler ganks I have done) and buy the most expensive ship I can, load it up with millions of isk in guns and modules, then fly it out and get it blown up and have no isk left to replace it? If that is the case then I don't give a rats ass about ever having your respect in this game. The only people that have given me crap in Empire are jackasses who come in from 0.0 expecting an easy ride through Empire cause they don't know what the hell they are doing. The ones I respect are the so-called carebears who at least learn from their mistakes. A majority of the so-called carebears in Empire that I have helped blast into space dust have not smacked us in local. The Alliance carebears in Empire should leave these broke ** 0.0 Alliances because they can't even tell em how to set up the overview to help avoid the Privateers. I have no respect for a majority of the 0.0 Alliances due to the fact that they can't even be bothered to protect their Empire brothers and sisters. The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance. you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. So what? Just because you don't like me or my style of getting isk in this game will not stop me from doing it. Far from it. Your rants in this thread are funny. Alliance holier then thou attitudes are down right knee slapping funny. Honor I could care less about. Honor doesn't buy ships to fly, or the mods on em, to blast Alliance people with. But what the heck is a "proper PvPer"? Is that the 1vs1 kind, or the walk 20 paces turn around and shot kind? By the way, I make more isk mission running then I do "ganking haulers". It's just more fun blowing up stuff that belongs to people then it is NPCs. I kind of like getting called "Empire *" (slang for cat) after blowing up an Alliance hauler going to market in Empire. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Destroyer? I see you have trouble when it comes to slamming someone. You need to do some research before you let loose off "facts". I usually fly a Celestis fitted with RSDs, the better to grief people, or a BC like the Brutix or Myrmidon. But I do find the Celestis more to my liking. I always imagine someone I have targeted getting very angry when he no longer can target anything. That is another thing that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Just in case you don't want to read all the above let me break it down for you here: 1. I don't care what anyone but the people I currently fly with think of me 2. Honor has no place in this game for me 3. I have never flown a destroyer in a PvP situation The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance.** ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:12:00 - [201] Look there are some cool privaters, aka morfane. He doesnt dock up and he doesnt run from a fight. the rest of the privatters seem to be only interested in ganking haulers in empire. If u really want a good fight, then join one of the top ten alliances. Fight for something that is important to you and every kill you get means so much more. Ganking the young noobs is as difficut as hitting the side of a barn with a shotgun. http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:20:00 - [202] Originally by: everyone rabble rabble! my gank is better then yours. give it a rest will ya
Xori Ruscuv SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:22:00 - [203] Originally by: INZi Originally by: everyone rabble rabble! my gank is better then yours. give it a rest will ya YES!!! INZi WINS THE THREAD! \o/ /o\ \o/ It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
Anaximander Monk Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.02.27 06:09:00 - [204] I appreciate the Privateers abilities. My Rapier was taken down by a pair of them in a well executed ambush, while I was pirating. They were flying an Arazu and a Curse and were the first people to blow that Rapier up in the 4 months or so that I'd had it. This was in a belt in a low sec system, so I don't think they limit themselves to empire ganks.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:09:00 - [205] Originally by: Anaximander Monk I appreciate the Privateers abilities. My Rapier was taken down by a pair of them in a well executed ambush, while I was pirating. They were flying an Arazu and a Curse and were the first people to blow that Rapier up in the 4 months or so that I'd had it. This was in a belt in a low sec system, so I don't think they limit themselves to empire ganks. Yes, you know it and I know it, but we're both wrong. The 0.0 cool kids know that Privateers are all lamers and smackers and dockers, and that they only grief noobs in haulers in high sec. Because the 0.0 cool kids have seen it... or at least heard someone say it... once... so it must be true! /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:45:00 - [206] Originally by: JMcClane And for the record... I did not call you a retard, and anyone else who feel like flaming, or name calling should go elsewhere... this is a discussions forum. Discuss!!! Discuss? You made a statement and then Flinx disagreed with you. Isn't that discussion? He has a differing view. Also - I've seen so many privateer members sitting out the front of Jita 4-4 it's silly. It's actually worse then fleet lag there. And you say that not every member of Privateer is dishonorable ... well, that might be true but unfortunately you are judged by what people see. And lets face it - it's Jita. A helleva lotta people see you (yes, YOU = Privateer) killing people before the screen loads. Well done! How brave and noble of you. How hard that must be! I salute you! As Flinx said ... _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Elad Dranoel Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:50:00 - [207] Why are you posting in CAOD? This is not the place for empire squabbles. STFU already. Nobody cares or wants to know anything about the empire Alliances. snip Your signature may not contain any profanity - Kreul Intentions
Bob Clive Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:10:00 - [208] just saying hi2u in another privateer thread.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:20:00 - [209] Originally by: Elad Dranoel Why are you posting in CAOD? This is not the place for empire squabbles. STFU already. Nobody cares or wants to know anything about the empire Alliances. I thought this was the Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Discussion, and not the "0.0 kewl guyz only frat club". If I was mistaken, I will crawl back to empire at once. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:40:00 - [210] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. If you're so hardcore, such a 'leet pvper', risking it all in your faction fitted CNR, then instead of smacking on the forums, why don't you come to empire, sit on a gate somewhere near Amarr, and convo one of us to arrange a fight. But no, because we'd crush you utterly, and then you'd be out of pocket. And your Eve experience is only fun when you're cruising with the 200 man blob ganking 1 month old noob-corpers in 0.0 trying to make some isk to buy their first battlecruiser. I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of just about everything you've accused us of being throughout this thread. Prck. your a fool who has no idea what hes talking about. im an experiance solo pvper thats how i make my living in the game. i have on several occasions come to empire and sat on gates around jita requesting 1 v 1s from privateers. here is an example of the responce i got from one pilot not mentioning names "why would i 1 v 1 you i can shoot you anyway..." 10 seconds later there where 5 privateers flying around me. stupidly they agroed me before i agroed them and i jumped through unscathed. dck
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:46:00 - [211] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Edited by: Aille Pluthrak on 27/02/2007 03:52:42 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Because I don't fly T2 ships I don't take risks? That is the dumbest friggen reason for dumping crap on th What is that saying I always read on the forums? Oh right, it's "Only fly what you can afford to lose". Are you telling me I should pons of isk in guns and modules, then fly it out and get it blown up and have no isk left to replace it? If that is the case then I don't give a rats ass about ever having your respect in this game. The only people that have given me crap in Empire are jackasses who come in from 0.0 expecting an easy ride through Empire cause they don't know what the hell they are doing. The ones I respect are the so-called carebears who at least learn from their mistakes. A majority of the so-called carebears in Empire that I have helped blast into space dust have not smacked us in local. The Alliance carebears in Empire should leave these broke ** 0.0 Alliances because they can't even tell em how to set up the overview to help avoid the Privateers. I have no respect for a majority of the 0.0 Alliances due to the fact that they can't even be bothered to protect their Empire brothers and sisters. The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance. you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. So what? Just because you don't like me or my style of getting isk in this game will not stop me from doing it. Far from it. Your rants in this thread are funny. Alliance holier then thou attitudes are down right knee slapping funny. Honor I could care less about. Honor doesn't buy ships to fly, or the mods on em, to blast Alliance people with. But what the heck is a "proper PvPer"? Is that the 1vs1 kind, or the walk 20 paces turn around and shot kind? By the way, I make more isk mission running then I do "ganking haulers". It's just more fun blowing up stuff that belongs to people then it is NPCs. I kind of like getting called "Empire *" (slang for cat) after blowing up an Alliance hauler going to market in Empire. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Destroyer? I see you have trouble when it comes to slamming someone. You need to do some research before you let loose off "facts". I usually fly a Celestis fitted with RSDs, the better to grief people, or a BC like the Brutix or Myrmidon. But I do find the Celestis more to my liking. I always imagine someone I have targeted getting very angry when he no longer can target anything. That is another thing that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Just in case you don't want to read all the above let me break it down for you here: 1. I don't care what anyone but the people I currently fly with think of me 2. Honor has no place in this game for me 3. I have never flown a destroyer in a PvP situation The above are my opinions and has nothing to do with the Privateer Alliance. do you even understand what we are arguing in this thread? that privateers is a challange? stop trying to make this about you not caring about honour because that has always been secondary to the argument about easy isk. i wouldnt even be **ed at you lot if you just came out and said "yeh i want the easy isk" ide be happy for you. but in this thread you clearly come out and say "its challanging" to justify your position to the gallaxy. well whatever your selling im not buying. youve got it easy and you know it as well as i do.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:02:00 - [212] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. If you're so hardcore, such a 'leet pvper', risking it all in your faction fitted CNR, then instead of smacking on the forums, why don't you come to empire, sit on a gate somewhere near Amarr, and convo one of us to arrange a fight. But no, because we'd crush you utterly, and then you'd be out of pocket. And your Eve experience is only fun when you're cruising with the 200 man blob ganking 1 month old noob-corpers in 0.0 trying to make some isk to buy their first battlecruiser. I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of just about everything you've accused us of being throughout this thread. Prck. your a fool who has no idea what hes talking about. im an experiance solo pvper thats how i make my living in the game. i have on several occasions come to empire and sat on gates around jita requesting 1 v 1s from privateers. here is an example of the responce i got from one pilot not mentioning names "why would i 1 v 1 you i can shoot you anyway..." 10 seconds later there where 5 privateers flying around me. stupidly they agroed me before i agroed them and i jumped through unscathed. dck I think you must be the very definition of 'forum warrior'. I don't believe a word of what you said above. You're not anywhere on our kb so I suspect you've never even met one of us in space. --- Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:06:00 - [213] Edited by: Minigin on 27/02/2007 09:06:31 Edited by: Minigin on 27/02/2007 09:03:43 Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Minigin you fool you just proved everything i was arguing... 1. you do gank empire noobs 2. you dont take risks and your proud of being so savvy 3. the majority of priavateers are noobs looking for quick isk 4. you have no honour and no want to be recognised as a proper pvper thus you lead me to conclude that you are not doing this because of the challenge... but because your a noob that wants to make a quick buck without risking anything more expencive than a destroyer. If you're so hardcore, such a 'leet pvper', risking it all in your faction fitted CNR, then instead of smacking on the forums, why don't you come to empire, sit on a gate somewhere near Amarr, and convo one of us to arrange a fight. But no, because we'd crush you utterly, and then you'd be out of pocket. And your Eve experience is only fun when you're cruising with the 200 man blob ganking 1 month old noob-corpers in 0.0 trying to make some isk to buy their first battlecruiser. I'm pretty sure that you're guilty of just about everything you've accused us of being throughout this thread. Prck. your a fool who has no idea what hes talking about. im an experiance solo pvper thats how i make my living in the game. i have on several occasions come to empire and sat on gates around jita requesting 1 v 1s from privateers. here is an example of the responce i got from one pilot not mentioning names "why would i 1 v 1 you i can shoot you anyway..." 10 seconds later there where 5 privateers flying around me. stupidly they agroed me before i agroed them and i jumped through unscathed. dck I think you must be the very definition of 'forum warrior'. I don't believe a word of what you said above. You're not anywhere on our kb so I suspect you've never even met one of us in space. you hear that kids? if im not on the privateers killboard i musnt have met one... well your partially right... your always **ing docked! edit: your crazy... everytime priv wardecs us i head to empire and look for you... so far its been a waste of time. further more who the ** are you to say "i dont believe you..." your the one who was caught red handed camping the jita 4-4 station then saying youde never done such a thing at the begining of the thread!
Ninon Lanclos Tempt Fate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:09:00 - [214] Edited by: Ninon Lanclos on 27/02/2007 09:06:44 Looking at all the verbal shelling we get from the moral high ground, Privateers must have hit a nerve. I think the high-and-mighty 0.0 people are afraid that their serfs might recognize that there are other ways to play this game. That actually, there's the option of Freedom. Freedom from boring alliance politics. Freedom from mandatory corp ops. Freedom from being in an outblobbing lag-fest. Freedom from... you'll get the drift. If you choose to gank in Jita, you are free to do so. If you don't, it's also fine. Just have fun while playing Eve. Privateers really empowers its members. There are corps like Omniscient Order, Celestial Apocalypse and other honourable entities who actually come to empire and hunt us. And they're good at it. They put their money where their mouth is, and I don't see any whining from them. Just relax and feel the Love in space. [edit: spelling]
IcedBach Jr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:14:00 - [215] you ppl are the scum of EVE and what makes this game unfortunatly lacking. Wardecs should be for ppl with smth to gain or loose in territory not lazy ass players who like to camp gates in empire where ppl should be able to move without risk and do market/industrial things. THere are definately enough .4 and lower systems for you scum to play in, but you seriously lack the guts to stay there. Praeludium to success http://www.rampage-eternal.net/sigs/type2/IcedBach%20jr.png Now that's a long one. Though, I'm afraid the limit is indeed 400 pixels wide. -ReverendM
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:14:00 - [216] Originally by: Ninon Lanclos Edited by: Ninon Lanclos on 27/02/2007 09:06:44 Looking at all the verbal shelling we get from the moral high ground, Privateers must have hit a nerve. I think the high-and-mighty 0.0 people are afraid that their serfs might recognize that there are other ways to play this game. That actually, there's the option of Freedom. Freedom from boring alliance politics. Freedom from mandatory corp ops. Freedom from being in an outblobbing lag-fest. Freedom from... you'll get the drift. If you choose to gank in Jita, you are free to do so. If you don't, it's also fine. Just have fun while playing Eve. Privateers really empowers its members. There are corps like Omniscient Order, Celestial Apocalypse and other honourable entities who actually come to empire and hunt us. And they're good at it. They put their money where their mouth is, and I don't see any whining from them. Just relax and feel the Love in space. [edit: spelling] my verbal bombardment is out of amazment of the sheer stupidity of some! we have effectivly been arguing the same thing for 6 pages and some people are still posting "oh but we dont really care about morality" do i look like i give a flying **** either? i told you... if your in it for the isk... say so... but never try and justify your actions in privateers by saying your looking for a challange! DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR? OR WILL I HAVE TO POST THE SAME THING AGAIN????
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:48:00 - [217] Originally by: dastommy79 Look there are some cool privaters, aka morfane. He doesnt dock up and he doesnt run from a fight. the rest of the privatters seem to be only interested in ganking haulers in empire. If u really want a good fight, then join one of the top ten alliances. Fight for something that is important to you and every kill you get means so much more. Ganking the young noobs is as difficut as hitting the side of a barn with a shotgun. The very point is that we do not want to be involved in politics. That we want to avoid the large fleet fights for regional control and such. These things are NOT important for us! Yes the noobs live in empire. Yes we will shoot haulers if we see them and YES, there's a lot of haulers in empire and yes there's a lot of war target haulers flying about even in war times. You can NOT blaim us for the mistakes your alliance mates make when they try to fly a hauler through empire while at war with Privateers. We even get the occational freighter. And yes... we shoot hostile freighters too!!! But what we also shoot is the gangs of combat ready ships that come our way, when we have a decent chance of matching them. It's only logical that we when flying in 4 intercepters don't choose to attack 10 command ships / battleships. It's only logical that we move out of the way for these if we can not arrange a joint gang with some alliance mates, as the 4 of us don't stand much of a chance against a combat ready force of 10 equal ships. But rest assured that the fights who are brought to us, that we as a corporation can handle, we will take. Due to the organization of the alliance, coordination between corporations are ill at best. Fight the corporations. Not the alliance, and you will get a more than decent fight!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:50:00 - [218] Originally by: Franga Originally by: JMcClane And for the record... I did not call you a retard, and anyone else who feel like flaming, or name calling should go elsewhere... this is a discussions forum. Discuss!!! Discuss? You made a statement and then Flinx disagreed with you. Isn't that discussion? He has a differing view. Also - I've seen so many privateer members sitting out the front of Jita 4-4 it's silly. It's actually worse then fleet lag there. And you say that not every member of Privateer is dishonorable ... well, that might be true but unfortunately you are judged by what people see. And lets face it - it's Jita. A helleva lotta people see you (yes, YOU = Privateer) killing people before the screen loads. Well done! How brave and noble of you. How hard that must be! I salute you! As Flinx said ... The reason I responded to his post was the word retard!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:53:00 - [219] Originally by: INZi Originally by: everyone rabble rabble! my gank is better then yours. give it a rest will ya p.s. You members of Privateers that are alts of any Alliance main are PATHETIC "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:57:00 - [220] Originally by: IcedBach Jr you ppl are the scum of EVE and what makes this game unfortunatly lacking. Wardecs should be for ppl with smth to gain or loose in territory not lazy ass players who like to camp gates in empire where ppl should be able to move without risk and do market/industrial things. THere are definately enough .4 and lower systems for you scum to play in, but you seriously lack the guts to stay there. Never thought I'd have to say this to a 0.0 alliance member and someone who's been in the game for some amount of time: THERE IS NO SAFE SPACE IN EVE! You want to be able to move in empire without risk? Sorry, you can't. Noone else can, so why should you be able to? It's amusing to see people like this coming down on n00bs complaining about gatecamps and wanting to Ctrl-Q to escape from your bubble, but at the same time, you complain about not being able to afk through empire. Tough ****. Deal with it or leave. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:58:00 - [221] Yesterday when our small gang passed some system, we met a few privateers in nano huginns, who mwded all the way to offgrid once our first pilot jumped to their system. For the record, thats the second time I've seen a privateer in space in the last month . ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:01:00 - [222] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ninon Lanclos Edited by: Ninon Lanclos on 27/02/2007 09:06:44 Looking at all the verbal shelling we get from the moral high ground, Privateers must have hit a nerve. I think the high-and-mighty 0.0 people are afraid that their serfs might recognize that there are other ways to play this game. That actually, there's the option of Freedom. Freedom from boring alliance politics. Freedom from mandatory corp ops. Freedom from being in an outblobbing lag-fest. Freedom from... you'll get the drift. If you choose to gank in Jita, you are free to do so. If you don't, it's also fine. Just have fun while playing Eve. Privateers really empowers its members. There are corps like Omniscient Order, Celestial Apocalypse and other honourable entities who actually come to empire and hunt us. And they're good at it. They put their money where their mouth is, and I don't see any whining from them. Just relax and feel the Love in space. [edit: spelling] my verbal bombardment is out of amazment of the sheer stupidity of some! we have effectivly been arguing the same thing for 6 pages and some people are still posting "oh but we dont really care about morality" do i look like i give a flying **** either? i told you... if your in it for the isk... say so... but never try and justify your actions in privateers by saying your looking for a challange! DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR? OR WILL I HAVE TO POST THE SAME THING AGAIN???? Mercenary Coalition. 0utbreak. Celestial Apoc. Omniscent order, are entitites that have actively hunted us in empire. Don't tell me that they are not challenging opponents! We've taken losses and made kills against Omni (as a corporation). Our size in numbers compared to theirs and their profound love to nanoships (as so many others) have however rendered us unable to find ourselves that many decent fights. But we take the bait every now and then, well knowing about the backup. For the sheer fun and CHALLENGE of it... Can we kill the bait before the backup-gank squad arrives! There's plenty of challenges out there. Ours do not involve 100's of billion isk invested in super capitals and outposts. It doesn't involve joint mining ops and ratting. It doesn't involve manufacturing and buying minerals. Forgive us for that, but it doesn't rock my boat. I've tried it! Didn't like it! Another example, Myriad Alliance which was recently living in Tama.... We enter local in numbers from 2-5 ... There's 20-30 Myriad war targets in local. Get to empire for one day... follow me around, and take a peek at what we're doing! You'd be surprised... (You could choose to follow many corporations... basically the ones mentioned by Ryysa in an earlier post)
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:03:00 - [223] Originally by: Breed Love Yesterday when our small gang passed some system, we met a few privateers in nano huginns, who mwded all the way to offgrid once our first pilot jumped to their system. For the record, thats the second time I've seen a privateer in space in the last month . By this statement, are we to generalize that all privateers mwd off grid, or that all privateers fly nano huginns? /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:04:00 - [224] Edited by: Breed Love on 27/02/2007 10:02:10 Originally by: Ki An By this statement, are we to generalize that all privateers mwd off grid, or that all privateers fly nano huginns? /Ki thats correct, you are all the same, just like all pvp in 0.0 is blob warfare. edit: added to that, you dock alot too, espec when anything but a hauler enters the system. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:07:00 - [225] Originally by: IcedBach Jr you ppl are the scum of EVE and what makes this game unfortunatly lacking. Wardecs should be for ppl with smth to gain or loose in territory not lazy ass players who like to camp gates in empire where ppl should be able to move without risk and do market/industrial things. THere are definately enough .4 and lower systems for you scum to play in, but you seriously lack the guts to stay there. So you're saying that war declarations should be limited to an extend where only just cause (as you interpret it) is a valid reason for a war dec. I do believe that you are free to war declare whomever you feel like! If not is it valid for someone to declare on another because they stole something. Nope... It's all about territory! Boy are you wrong on that one!
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:11:00 - [226] Originally by: Breed Love thats correct, you are all the same, just like all pvp in 0.0 is blob warfare. edit: added to that, you dock alot too, espec when anything but a hauler enters the system. Me? I'm no privateer. We are at war (again). Doesn't mean I spout off meaningless generalizations and utter crap about them. They are good opponents who have found a niche in the game. You don't like them because you like to afk through empire. And if you try to insinuate that I am the one generalizing in this thread you'd better read it through another time. And, finally, yes, I dock every time I am about to log, or use the market, or refit my ship or do any of the other activities that requires one to dock. Sorry if you can't do that in 0.0, but that's the price you pay for being "l33t" I suppose. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Gar Ddhen Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:19:00 - [227] There are some seriously good pilots in the Privateers, some crap ones as well. Same as pretty much all the Alliances. Station camping in Jita is no real different to station camping in 0.0 except for the greater numbers, people from damned near every Alliance gank newbs coming through gates, and last time I looked declining an engagement involving massively disparate forces was a legitimate tactic. They (The Privateers) found a niche, they play it, and a lot of them will enjoy it even if they are hunted after the war. Get off your damned high horses and play the game in the spirit it deserves rather than using fuzzy logic and generalisations to smear every player in an organisation with whatever paintbrush you happened to have jumped on the bandwagon to get. Starting to get sick of the Privateers are cowards, BoB are cheats etc threads now, they are all rather lame and more than mildly boring.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:19:00 - [228] Originally by: Breed Love Edited by: Breed Love on 27/02/2007 10:02:10 Originally by: Ki An By this statement, are we to generalize that all privateers mwd off grid, or that all privateers fly nano huginns? /Ki thats correct, you are all the same, just like all pvp in 0.0 is blob warfare. edit: added to that, you dock alot too, espec when anything but a hauler enters the system. I can't link to our killboard but I could explain to you what I see when I look up Fatal Aliance on it. Monday 26th -> No industrial ships destroyed, only fighting ships Sunday 25th -> 1 industrial destroyed, 10+ combat ships Saturday 24th -> No industrials, 10+ only combat ships Friday 23th -> No industrials, only combat.... So every now and then your alliance do seem to find us! And yes we shoot shuttles and noob ships as well... Just yestederday, we got a noob ship which dropped a Dread Guristas Heavy Launcher. Three other faction items destroyed. If your empire 'noobs' can afford gear like that. I see no reason why they can't fit a fighting ship and come fight us instead! But I guess empire may be full of that. Players who are not willing to fight for their alliance, players who are not willing to stand their ground!
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:54:00 - [229] is this your killboard ?Linkage
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:03:00 - [230] Originally by: Breed Love Yesterday when our small gang passed some system, we met a few privateers in nano huginns, who mwded all the way to offgrid once our first pilot jumped to their system. For the record, thats the second time I've seen a privateer in space in the last month . Breed, they are out there and they have some good corps in them. Corps join and leave em all the time, some of these corps are great and some are not so great. Some of em will bring it and some of em will not. They are PIRATES. We have to live with em. Just bear in mind that they are not an alliance in the traditional meaning of the word, in this case they are more of a "marrige of convenience" Lets just hope for some good fights all round. F4T4L - Recruitment
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:13:00 - [231] 'Clane ide like to take you up on that offer. could you please drop me a line ingame. ill hang with you guys for a little and see if my opinion changes any.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:29:00 - [232] Originally by: Noluck Ned Originally by: Breed Love Yesterday when our small gang passed some system, we met a few privateers in nano huginns, who mwded all the way to offgrid once our first pilot jumped to their system. For the record, thats the second time I've seen a privateer in space in the last month . Breed, they are out there and they have some good corps in them. Corps join and leave em all the time, some of these corps are great and some are not so great. Some of em will bring it and some of em will not. They are PIRATES. We have to live with em. Just bear in mind that they are not an alliance in the traditional meaning of the word, in this case they are more of a "marrige of convenience" Lets just hope for some good fights all round. Couldn't have said it better myself :)
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:30:00 - [233] Originally by: Minigin 'Clane ide like to take you up on that offer. could you please drop me a line ingame. ill hang with you guys for a little and see if my opinion changes any. Provided we are not at war, sure thing! :)
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:35:00 - [234] Originally by: Minigin 'Clane ide like to take you up on that offer. could you please drop me a line ingame. ill hang with you guys for a little and see if my opinion changes any. fair play to this guy ------ snip please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Iphiclus Rogen's Heroes Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:40:00 - [235] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Sentar Manar #Translation# #1: We like to PVP. #2: We don't like fair fights. #3: We like money. #4: We don't like working. #5: We don't want to risk anything. #6: We do want your stuff. #Solution# We will stay in Empire, Wardeck you and let your money flow to us how crafty of us. #Problem# When the Wars over the Alliances are going to come to empire to stomp you. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... If you find docking a challenge you really do have a problem!
Patient 4127 Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:48:00 - [236] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh TRANSLATION: 0.0 is too hard, we rather war dec everyone and gank their empire carebears. This makes sense since many 0.0 entities don't run fleets in empire and that usually gives us good gank odds. I don't have the computer to really camp 4-4, but I've certainly used Jita as a base of operations. With 30-50 wardecs active, how many hostiles do you think are in empire? From my experience, there's often a hostile wartarget in EVERY system you go into. In Jita, you have to practically audit local before undocking. Normal rates are 30 wartargets, ranging from newbie alts to haulers all the way up to tech 2 fitted hyperions and nasty faction ships. I think it's awesome. Half the fun in EVE is the risk factor. Flying around empire with half the universe wanting to gank your ass if they get a chance is awesome fun. I've done a couple of more-organised gangs (15-20 with proper fleet command) with mixed Privateers corps and frankly I found even that boring and terribly static. 0.0 would frankly be pointless. I'd run into a bubble camp and die, or intel channels would have me tagged immediately. Some of the more skilled people love going hunting there though. And as for low-sec, well good luck finding a fight half the time, the population just sucks. Empire on the other hand, especially the main trade lanes, is what I use for my EVE "Instant Action" mode. Targets everywhere, and lots of people that want to kill you. Personally I've yet to make a hauler kill at all, and the only newbie ship kill from memory was Goonfleet, so basically one of their front-line heavy assault troops ;) I die a lot, but it's an awesome way to learn PvP if you can afford the losses. And it's a constant adrenalin rush. I'm hooked.
Ventosus x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:58:00 - [237] Originally by: USN CVN72 I convoed an x13 dude tonight wont mention names and arranged a 1v1 and after 30 seconds it became 7 v 1 but i put all wcs on knowing that it wouldnt be a fair fight and i warped off. As for your 1v1 offer your all full of ----. Dude, We have killed you 10+ times last year. We know you hate us. Fair enough. But is this really needed? You really hate us this much? However, if this should be the thruth, give me some proof and ill handle it with the particular x13 pilot. I've sent you an ingame mail, requesting information. until then i consider this propaganda. ............... I will win Eve
Chuskarl's Grandfather Minmatar Chuskarl's Family Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:26:00 - [238] All this "Why don't you come to 0.0 and fight like real men" is everytime an attempt to my health. I mean that it makes me laugh so hard that my heart may stop. You all "0.0 big boys" are unable to do anything else than repeating, like a broken record, "Come to 0.0 and you shall see". Are you the big boys? Are you the more experienced, better organized, more honourable and with uber skills players? Excellent. You can travel to empire and incinerate us all just snapping your fingers. After all we are paying billions of war bills to make empire as close to 0.0 for you. You can shoot us wherever you want, you can camp all the gates you want, you can podkill us over and over again. Just like in your beloved 0.0. And since, by your own words, Empire is a place for noobs, pro players like you should easily rule here. You could also protect your haulers and your trainee with a small effort. But it doesn't happen. All that is happening is you barking "come to 0.0". Let me suspect that the few differences between a warring empire and 0.0 just move the balance of the question to something you can't handle: - in empire you cannot launch bubbles. I understand that this imply the need for you to have some good skill at locking ships quickly enough and/or chasing them, maybe including the capability of using a scanner, but its part of the game as well. A part you can cope with by learning to play it. - in empire you cannot get the help that would come from some hundreds of players not part of your alliance but friendly with you, unless they are at war with Privateers as well. I understand this means that instead of having your 100 ships fleet plus your friends' 100 ships fleet, you are forced to be on your own with 100 ships only. But, again, its part of the game. A part you can cope with by getting your friends declaring on Privateers. -in empire you cannot use capital ships, unless you are in 0.4 or lower. It's a rule we have to respect too. But since i am sure that your greater experience, your better organization and your uber skills are no match for us, why dont you just jump on a smaller ships and give us hell? -in empire you cannot rely on the several camps established at gates along the way down to the systems where you hide, that would hit any fleet coming to you during the trip. You cannot also rely on warnings that people living in your space may raise to alert you of a fleet approaching, giving you time to dock. So if your opinion is that "0.0 life is for real men", my opinion is that "0.0 life is for real carebears" who love to hide as far as they can from empire, farming npc 24/7, sheltered by a long way to reach them and a number of camps along the way to protect and alert them of any hostile incoming. If empire is such a noobish place, come kill the noobs. We are paying for it after all.
Sidrat Flush Caldari Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:36:00 - [239] We know what Privateers do. We should know where you're doing it. I'm sure our alliance has been ganked...sorry caught at the gates by you guys. If we can all agree that every corp or alliance member knows how Privateers works, but still gets caught by them, would it be normal to assume that senior people aren't teaching their new recruits what to do/how to fit out a ship. Or does an individuals preference on never doing any pvp and just roam around in a hauler or ratting ship, while enjoying an alliance ticker and everything that comes with it, just a leech? I've been playing eve for about three years on and off. I've never really got into pvp. Now I'm part of an alliance. I still don't like pvp because mainly it's just too boring. I have of course learnt the basics and still learning. It is my obligation to prevent asset loss, personal, corp or alliance - as much as possible. With warp to zero and a pilot that's fully awake, empire travel is pretty fun. Especially in a throwaway frigate. Do I agree with what the Privateers do? I don't have to. They play their way, I play it my way. It's all good if we can say we're all having a good time. If haulers get ganked one too many times, they need to be organising and asking for escorts more loudly in future. Just my personal opinion and I hope not to have tread on too many toes. Life is about memories the more the better. Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers!
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:50:00 - [240] Interesting, what would happen if all the alliances who were wardecced by Privateer went to empire to " bring it "! What would happen then I`m wondering? Would Privateer alliance stand and fight, or dissolve away? ( legitimate question btw no flames please :D )
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:50:00 - [241] Originally by: 3rdD Dave Interesting, what would happen if all the alliances who were wardecced by Privateer went to empire to " bring it "! What would happen then I`m wondering? Would Privateer alliance stand and fight, or dissolve away? ( legitimate question btw no flames please :D ) We would have fun im sure. Gordon Cain
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:52:00 - [242] Originally by: Chuskarl's Grandfather All this "Why don't you come to 0.0 and fight like real men" is everytime an attempt to my health. I mean that it makes me laugh so hard that my heart may stop. You all "0.0 big boys" are unable to do anything else than repeating, like a broken record, "Come to 0.0 and you shall see". Are you the big boys? Are you the more experienced, better organized, more honourable and with uber skills players? Excellent. You can travel to empire and incinerate us all just snapping your fingers. After all we are paying billions of war bills to make empire as close to 0.0 for you. You can shoot us wherever you want, you can camp all the gates you want, you can podkill us over and over again. Just like in your beloved 0.0. And since, by your own words, Empire is a place for noobs, pro players like you should easily rule here. You could also protect your haulers and your trainee with a small effort. But it doesn't happen. All that is happening is you barking "come to 0.0". Let me suspect that the few differences between a warring empire and 0.0 just move the balance of the question to something you can't handle: - in empire you cannot launch bubbles. I understand that this imply the need for you to have some good skill at locking ships quickly enough and/or chasing them, maybe including the capability of using a scanner, but its part of the game as well. A part you can cope with by learning to play it. - in empire you cannot get the help that would come from some hundreds of players not part of your alliance but friendly with you, unless they are at war with Privateers as well. I understand this means that instead of having your 100 ships fleet plus your friends' 100 ships fleet, you are forced to be on your own with 100 ships only. But, again, its part of the game. A part you can cope with by getting your friends declaring on Privateers. -in empire you cannot use capital ships, unless you are in 0.4 or lower. It's a rule we have to respect too. But since i am sure that your greater experience, your better organization and your uber skills are no match for us, why dont you just jump on a smaller ships and give us hell? -in empire you cannot rely on the several camps established at gates along the way down to the systems where you hide, that would hit any fleet coming to you during the trip. You cannot also rely on warnings that people living in your space may raise to alert you of a fleet approaching, giving you time to dock. So if your opinion is that "0.0 life is for real men", my opinion is that "0.0 life is for real carebears" who love to hide as far as they can from empire, farming npc 24/7, sheltered by a long way to reach them and a number of camps along the way to protect and alert them of any hostile incoming. If empire is such a noobish place, come kill the noobs. We are paying for it after all. Amen. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:14:00 - [243] Originally by: Gift Originally by: Chuskarl's Grandfather All this "Why don't you come to 0.0 and fight like real men" is everytime an attempt to my health. I mean that it makes me laugh so hard that my heart may stop. You all "0.0 big boys" are unable to do anything else than repeating, like a broken record, "Come to 0.0 and you shall see". Are you the big boys? Are you the more experienced, better organized, more honourable and with uber skills players? Excellent. You can travel to empire and incinerate us all just snapping your fingers. After all we are paying billions of war bills to make empire as close to 0.0 for you. You can shoot us wherever you want, you can camp all the gates you want, you can podkill us over and over again. Just like in your beloved 0.0. And since, by your own words, Empire is a place for noobs, pro players like you should easily rule here. You could also protect your haulers and your trainee with a small effort. But it doesn't happen. All that is happening is you barking "come to 0.0". Let me suspect that the few differences between a warring empire and 0.0 just move the balance of the question to something you can't handle: - in empire you cannot launch bubbles. I understand that this imply the need for you to have some good skill at locking ships quickly enough and/or chasing them, maybe including the capability of using a scanner, but its part of the game as well. A part you can cope with by learning to play it. - in empire you cannot get the help that would come from some hundreds of players not part of your alliance but friendly with you, unless they are at war with Privateers as well. I understand this means that instead of having your 100 ships fleet plus your friends' 100 ships fleet, you are forced to be on your own with 100 ships only. But, again, its part of the game. A part you can cope with by getting your friends declaring on Privateers. -in empire you cannot use capital ships, unless you are in 0.4 or lower. It's a rule we have to respect too. But since i am sure that your greater experience, your better organization and your uber skills are no match for us, why dont you just jump on a smaller ships and give us hell? -in empire you cannot rely on the several camps established at gates along the way down to the systems where you hide, that would hit any fleet coming to you during the trip. You cannot also rely on warnings that people living in your space may raise to alert you of a fleet approaching, giving you time to dock. So if your opinion is that "0.0 life is for real men", my opinion is that "0.0 life is for real carebears" who love to hide as far as they can from empire, farming npc 24/7, sheltered by a long way to reach them and a number of camps along the way to protect and alert them of any hostile incoming. If empire is such a noobish place, come kill the noobs. We are paying for it after all. Amen. Last time I checked it takes very little skill to lock a ship outside a Jita station and blow it up while its pilot is on the Black Screen Of Death. Privateers are a non-factor to any alliance worth their salt. Hey people ever hear of logistic corps and alts to run to market hubs for ya? The only time I enter empire is when I am looking for a fight... and lo and behold there is never one to be found. As I said Privateers are a non-factor really, relegated to being a bug on the windshield of Eve.
Chuskarl's Grandfather Minmatar Chuskarl's Family Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:08:00 - [244] Originally by: Boliknar Last time I checked it takes very little skill to lock a ship outside a Jita station and blow it up while its pilot is on the Black Screen Of Death. Privateers are a non-factor to any alliance worth their salt. Hey people ever hear of logistic corps and alts to run to market hubs for ya? The only time I enter empire is when I am looking for a fight... and lo and behold there is never one to be found. As I said Privateers are a non-factor really, relegated to being a bug on the windshield of Eve. True. A whole killboard filled only with ships popped in Jita. Poor kid.
Pitt Gallente Loot	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:17:00 - [245] Not sure I've read everything in the post but for the most part it seems that there are only a few main arguments happening between PA members and Non-PA members. While it is somewhat amusing to read, it is abit frustrating as well. 1. "Come to 0.0 and play with the 'Big Boys'"!!!! Ok, I'll give you that some PA members have probably never lived and/or fought in 0.0, I don't know all PA members so I can only speak for those that I do know. Alot of the members I know in PA have lived in 0.0, faught in 0.0, and done the whole 0.0 experiance. I know I have lived in 0.0 for over half of my eve experiance. So please give up this argument, it's old, tired, over used, and blanket statements alway's make you look like a fool. 2. "You wait for the black screen of death at jita stations"!!! Some PA members may? I have no idea what the other 600 alliance members do and don't do. I can say it's a lame tactic but, no worse than some that I've run into in my 4+ years in eve. Anyone else remeber mOo jet can lagging JIP's? I can say I nor any of my corp members have done the jita thing and you can accept that or not. Lame tactics happen everywhere. It wasn't in empire where the whole BM copy'ing lag fest happend, it was in 0.0 done by the "Big Boys". 3."If You're great PvP'ers you should be fighting in the "WAR"" Or something to that affect. There is alway's a "great war" going on. CA vs everyone, FA vs some ppl, PA (Not priv) vs Bob. Iron&G vs Stain etc. etc. etc..... I've been a puppet in a number of these "great wars". A nameless, faceless, pilot taking orders from someone I really don't know to achive something that really doesn't benefit me. I was a puppet. I cut my strings and walked away. Now, if it's something you really enjoy and/or belive in. More power to you. It's your game and you should play it as you choose. Just don't call me lame because I choose not to join you in the current conflict. This is game. We're all playing the game the way we wish to. I can respect your your playstyle so why can't you respect mine? I'm not speaking for all PA members or on behalf of PA itself. This is just a personal view of how things are the way I see them. Fly safe and good hunting. Pitt *How many must die in the name of God before the Devil is satisfied*
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:51:00 - [246] Edited by: Gift on 27/02/2007 21:49:13 Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: Gift Originally by: Chuskarl's Grandfather All this "Why don't you come to 0.0 and fight like real men" is everytime an attempt to my health. I mean that it makes me laugh so hard that my heart may stop. You all "0.0 big boys" are unable to do anything else than repeating, like a broken record, "Come to 0.0 and you shall see". Are you the big boys? Are you the more experienced, better organized, more honourable and with uber skills players? Excellent. You can travel to empire and incinerate us all just snapping your fingers. After all we are paying billions of war bills to make empire as close to 0.0 for you. You can shoot us wherever you want, you can camp all the gates you want, you can podkill us over and over again. Just like in your beloved 0.0. And since, by your own words, Empire is a place for noobs, pro players like you should easily rule here. You could also protect your haulers and your trainee with a small effort. But it doesn't happen. All that is happening is you barking "come to 0.0". Let me suspect that the few differences between a warring empire and 0.0 just move the balance of the question to something you can't handle: - in empire you cannot launch bubbles. I understand that this imply the need for you to have some good skill at locking ships quickly enough and/or chasing them, maybe including the capability of using a scanner, but its part of the game as well. A part you can cope with by learning to play it. - in empire you cannot get the help that would come from some hundreds of players not part of your alliance but friendly with you, unless they are at war with Privateers as well. I understand this means that instead of having your 100 ships fleet plus your friends' 100 ships fleet, you are forced to be on your own with 100 ships only. But, again, its part of the game. A part you can cope with by getting your friends declaring on Privateers. -in empire you cannot use capital ships, unless you are in 0.4 or lower. It's a rule we have to respect too. But since i am sure that your greater experience, your better organization and your uber skills are no match for us, why dont you just jump on a smaller ships and give us hell? -in empire you cannot rely on the several camps established at gates along the way down to the systems where you hide, that would hit any fleet coming to you during the trip. You cannot also rely on warnings that people living in your space may raise to alert you of a fleet approaching, giving you time to dock. So if your opinion is that "0.0 life is for real men", my opinion is that "0.0 life is for real carebears" who love to hide as far as they can from empire, farming npc 24/7, sheltered by a long way to reach them and a number of camps along the way to protect and alert them of any hostile incoming. If empire is such a noobish place, come kill the noobs. We are paying for it after all. Amen. Last time I checked it takes very little skill to lock a ship outside a Jita station and blow it up while its pilot is on the Black Screen Of Death. Privateers are a non-factor to any alliance worth their salt. Hey people ever hear of logistic corps and alts to run to market hubs for ya? The only time I enter empire is when I am looking for a fight... and lo and behold there is never one to be found. As I said Privateers are a non-factor really, relegated to being a bug on the windshield of Eve. Please, o.o alliances come & go. There are a few legendary ones but the rest are just seat fillers. We actually offer something to eve, a new threat, targets for thousands, combat spanning the whole of the galaxy for all to see. How many threads does hydro have about them covering crime & punishmnet, general & corp & alliance? I would say the Privateers are leaps & bounds more significant than your little band. We are doing great works. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:14:00 - [247] why do you keep babbling on about all this "come and kill us" stuff, when you just mwd away in your nano huginns as soon as a gang enters your system? honestly, every time i see undocked privateers, they are in nano ships getting an occasional gank and running away. skills? challenge? I think not. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:28:00 - [248] Originally by: Chuskarl's Grandfather Originally by: Boliknar Last time I checked it takes very little skill to lock a ship outside a Jita station and blow it up while its pilot is on the Black Screen Of Death. Privateers are a non-factor to any alliance worth their salt. Hey people ever hear of logistic corps and alts to run to market hubs for ya? The only time I enter empire is when I am looking for a fight... and lo and behold there is never one to be found. As I said Privateers are a non-factor really, relegated to being a bug on the windshield of Eve. True. A whole killboard filled only with ships popped in Jita. Poor kid. I can only spak form my own experience with you guys. But it seems for a group "thats only in it for PVP" you sure do spend a lot of time running and hiding when the numbers of experience are anywhere close to even. Funny how you pick out the one section of my post meant to be a grabber yet conpletely ignore the part about you total lack of relevance.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 22:32:00 - [249] Please, o.o alliances come & go. There are a few legendary ones but the rest are just seat fillers. We actually offer something to eve, a new threat, targets for thousands, combat spanning the whole of the galaxy for all to see. How many threads does hydro have about them covering crime & punishmnet, general & corp & alliance? I would say the Privateers are leaps & bounds more significant than your little band. We are doing great works. Being an annoying little fleab of an alliance that is the flavour of the month on the forums is hardly "doing great works". Play the game the way you like thats fine but do not try and pass the line that you are somehow changing the game or that you really have any relevance at all.
Chuskarl's Grandfather Minmatar Chuskarl's Family Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 23:56:00 - [250] Edited by: Chuskarl''s Grandfather on 27/02/2007 23:56:02 Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: Chuskarl's Grandfather Originally by: Boliknar Last time I checked it takes very little skill to lock a ship outside a Jita station and blow it up while its pilot is on the Black Screen Of Death. Privateers are a non-factor to any alliance worth their salt. Hey people ever hear of logistic corps and alts to run to market hubs for ya? The only time I enter empire is when I am looking for a fight... and lo and behold there is never one to be found. As I said Privateers are a non-factor really, relegated to being a bug on the windshield of Eve. True. A whole killboard filled only with ships popped in Jita. Poor kid. I can only spak form my own experience with you guys. But it seems for a group "thats only in it for PVP" you sure do spend a lot of time running and hiding when the numbers of experience are anywhere close to even. Funny how you pick out the one section of my post meant to be a grabber yet conpletely ignore the part about you total lack of relevance. Funny how you didn't even realize that the part that i picked up from your post was in fact the totality of your post, as the rest was a meaningless whole quoting (the third one, i guess) of my previous post. Total lack of mental presence.
Ventosus x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:38:00 - [251] Originally by: Breed Love why do you keep babbling on about all this "come and kill us" stuff, when you just mwd away in your nano huginns as soon as a gang enters your system? honestly, every time i see undocked privateers, they are in nano ships getting an occasional gank and running away. skills? challenge? I think not. I dont get it. Last time FATEL tried to bait me, they ended up in a pod, besides their nanodomi, which got away. I recieved a mail from the covert pilot, stating they would come back. And they did. x13 waited with a fleet half the size/power of the FATEL fleet on the other side. They bailed out, went to another gate and ran. That's my impression of FATEL so far. Now did you see me go making a FATEL nanopussies thread about it? No off course not.. this is how the game works. accept or go back to CS. Of x13 1050+ kills last moths, some where solo, some gank, some 4vs4, one time we jumped a 30 man ROADKILL fleet with 24 pilot, and lost battleground. We do all sorts of stuff and try to do diffrent stuff all the time. No, we are not afraid of 0.0, we have been there half our lifecycle, it changes from time to time, we do what we want, stop beeing crypilots. Last night me and a fellow pilot got ganked in Badevefi, with 90+ wartargets i in local. we took a chance and got killed, though luck. I didnt see any of the alliances present, holding back their fire did i? In fact, i never ever saw any alliance who didnt gank me, when they had the oppertunity. Everyone does it. Stop beeing a crypilot. Now.. If i should go make a thread everytime i saw one of the big alliances, logging, smacking, etc etc, i could make 3-4-5 new threads everyday. But if a stupid privateer drops a feking can outside Jita, or call himself a Mo0 or whatever, many of you blaim the whole alliance. Now.. This game has a average age of 28y+, theese days its even worse than AWP***** screaming CS kids on a public server. Stop being a crypilot. Facts: * Every alliance had good and bad PVP'ers * Every alliance have shoot someone in Jita * Every alliance have loggers, smackers, stabbed pilots * Empire is a warzone as well as 0.0 - another type of war. Not about territory, but it's a warzone * This forum has more and more crypilots * No one really gives a **** if your alliance m8 got ganked in Jita * BoB, D2, LV, GOON and everyone else, gank as much as anyone else, if they are given the chance. * This is a game! Play the game not the forums!!!!! Disclaimer: This is my own personal view - not x13 or alliance point of view. ............... I will win Eve
Bob Clive Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 10:04:00 - [252] Originally by: Ventosus No, we are not afraid of 0.0, we have been there half our lifecycle, it changes from time to time, we do what we want, stop beeing crypilots. Last night... Everyone does it. Stop beeing a crypilot. But if a stupid privateer drops a feking can outside Jita, or call himself a Mo0 or whatever, many of you blaim the whole alliance. (crypilot implied) Now.. (yarr) Stop being a crypilot. Facts: * This forum has more and more crypilots
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 10:18:00 - [253] Originally by: Ventosus I dont get it. Clearly. Your post is just completely irrelevant to what I've been saying. I just gave some examples why people dont like privateers, and likely never will. 1. hypocricy: saying they want challenge, but fight in empire (easy mode), gank blackscreened peeps at 4-4, mostly seen in nano ships (easy mode this too). 2. overpowered fotm setups.. fine if you like them but you wont earn respect for it. 3. the "im not with them!" attitude. If you are in a corp or alliance, you condone what they do, eg their lame tactics of camping 4-4 etc, and saying "they are bad, but im good lolz!!1" makes you look even worse. After all, if you really dont like what they do, you are free to leave. In the end, if you really want some recognition, which is, as I see it, why this thread was made, you can just say out loud what you are, and stop pretending. Like, "yeah we want easy pvp and we want to pirate in hisec, we dont want challenge, we want your loot and lots of killmails, and we dont care what you think of us". You are still likely to be disliked by many, but at least some will respect you a bit more. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Bibi Minmatar North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:04:00 - [254] Edited by: Bibi on 28/02/2007 11:09:40 Easy mode, Nano ships no honor in what they do bad people etc etc... after reading this its very clear hmm.. I guess its always been, alot of people focus there power talking bla bla bla on the forum insted of just fighting haveing fun as they should. who needs respect from anyone in a game really ??? I dont. I just play Never care about anyone that talk about respect in a game.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:08:00 - [255] Edited by: JMcClane on 28/02/2007 11:06:44 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Ventosus I dont get it. Clearly. Your post is just completely irrelevant to what I've been saying. I just gave some examples why people dont like privateers, and likely never will. 1. hypocricy: saying they want challenge, but fight in empire (easy mode), gank blackscreened peeps at 4-4, mostly seen in nano ships (easy mode this too). 2. overpowered fotm setups.. fine if you like them but you wont earn respect for it. 3. the "im not with them!" attitude. If you are in a corp or alliance, you condone what they do, eg their lame tactics of camping 4-4 etc, and saying "they are bad, but im good lolz!!1" makes you look even worse. After all, if you really dont like what they do, you are free to leave. In the end, if you really want some recognition, which is, as I see it, why this thread was made, you can just say out loud what you are, and stop pretending. Like, "yeah we want easy pvp and we want to pirate in hisec, we dont want challenge, we want your loot and lots of killmails, and we dont care what you think of us". You are still likely to be disliked by many, but at least some will respect you a bit more. 1. Hypocricy -> 1% of the alliance have perhaps done the 4-4 ganks. Let's take a look at FATAL and see if we can find 1% doing scams for example. I think we might be able to find some sort of dirt on ya! 2. Overpowered flavour of the month setups -> Let's see if we can find 1% in FATAL who try out the new popular setups. Again I think we might get lucky! 3. My initial post was about this. The fact that you choose to see Privateers as a unit. When in fact, we may not have anything in common what so ever with the corp next to us in morale or etique. My corporation show that they don't condone of Jita 4-4 kills. In fact... I think we've been involved in only 1-2 kills in jita. No more than 10. We dislike the lag while fighting as much as the next guy, and no... we don't believe it to be a fair fight. We'd rather fight otherwise. That being said it is necesarry for us to be in a near vicinity of the trade hubs. That's where you guys actually fly! :) Yes we want loot (it's our way of living), Yes, we want killmails (That's our way of documenting what happens in combat), and yes we want to pirate in high sec. The point where you skid of the road is your assumption of that being easily done. We have larger gangs hunting us all the time. We are often outnumbered our 'camps' / gangs are often challenged! And one last, and perhaps new aspect, if not in general, then at least in this thread! Who do you believe pay for all the wars. Each corporation pays 50 million a week = Max. of 1 war. Some corporations choose to buy extra wars if they make good profit in loot = 1-2 extra wars a week (if any). The rest of the wars mate, are bought. Many of them by NPC characters, just a few days old. Could it be, that the alliances pay us to war dec other alliances, so that we disrupt their opponents empire activities. Could it be that the alliances see that they actually get a whole lot out of their 50 million when hiring 600 'mercs' (in one sense of the word) working in most parts of empire. It takes only 1 or 2 kills before 50 million worth of damgage have been inflicted on the hostile alliance. And they take no risk in letting us fight. Your precious alliances are funding us. And hereby, as they are involved with us... I guess they condone of us... At least if we use your logic ;)
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:37:00 - [256] Originally by: JMcClane 1. Hypocricy -> 1% of the alliance have perhaps done the 4-4 ganks. Let's take a look at FATAL and see if we can find 1% doing scams for example. I think we might be able to find some sort of dirt on ya! 2. Overpowered flavour of the month setups -> Let's see if we can find 1% in FATAL who try out the new popular setups. Again I think we might get lucky! Thats the hypocricy Im talking about. 1% of 600 is 6. So you are saying that only 6 people in the whole alliance have ever camped 4-4? Right. And most privateers I see are in nano ships. Quite a bit more than 1%. In fact, at one point I think I've seen more than your 1% in space at the same time. Also, once again are you claiming that you are out for a challenge. Empire wars are easy. You don't die if you dont want to. I've done this. I know. Quote: My corporation show that they don't condone of Jita 4-4 kills But your corporation joined privateers anyway, also known as empire hub campers. It certainly doesnt make you look better than the rest now, does it? Actions > words. Quote: Yes we want loot (it's our way of living), Yes, we want killmails (That's our way of documenting what happens in combat), and yes we want to pirate in high sec. The point where you skid of the road is your assumption of that being easily done. We have larger gangs hunting us all the time. We are often outnumbered our 'camps' / gangs are often challenged! See above, hypocricy etc. The remaining part of your post is irrelevant to my point. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:52:00 - [257] Quote: The remaining part of your post is irrelevant to my point. My understanding of the above "I don't want to discuss this, as I know he's right about the alliances funding Privateers" You're trying to argue that Privateers hold some bad eggs, that the rest of us approve of by our mere presence in the alliance. You're trying to argue that Privateers are unworthy of comparison to your alliance. And after doing so, you refuse to take into consideration that you are actually funding our wars and our organization yourselves! Empire wars... You don't die if you don't want to... Does this only work for Privateers, or does this work for both parties. Doesn't this mean that ppl could avoid us unless they actually wanted a fight. Doesn't this mean that we are fighting only ppl who choose not to "not die"? So make it 2% or 5% .... The number isn't important. The important thing is that any alliance have their bad eggs. And Nanoships are atm (unfortunately) used by most in small gang warfare due to their superiority. We often have nano ships knocking on our door, so don't tell me that the alliances don't use the flavour of the month setup! That my friend is hypocricy! Offcourse due to fleet warfare and their nature, you're used to flying fleet setups where dogfighting doesn't happen in the same extend. Yes we may be using more nano ships than you do, but hey... WOW... you use fleet setups more than we do! :) Most pilots using the nano setups recognize the fact that it has made the game unbalanced. That, however, is a totally different subject!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:07:00 - [258] Originally by: JMcClane My understanding of the above "I don't want to discuss this, as I know he's right about the alliances funding Privateers" Wrong. Its exactly what I said it is - irrelevant. I was saying why people dislike privateers, and why you received so much flame in this thread. This has nothing to do with funding. Let make put it very short and clear. You use lame-ish tactics and annoy the crap out of people in empire. This is fine in itself, many do that. But then you come to the forums and try to make yourselves look totally different. You say this and do that. That, my friend, makes you a hypocrite. And nobody likes them. P.S. Quote: Does this only work for Privateers, or does this work for both parties. Doesn't this mean that ppl could avoid us unless they actually wanted a fight. Doesn't this mean that we are fighting only ppl who choose not to "not die"? Nope. I believe most of your kills are people who you caught off-guard. Personally, I find it very easy to dodge privateers in empire, regardless of my ship type. However, some might not feel like taking the necessary precautions, and they get ganked. Tough luck. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 - [259] Originally by: Breed Love I was saying why people dislike privateers, and why you received so much flame in this thread. This has nothing to do with funding. tbh i think "dislike" over states the majority of feels towards PA, i would guess most just dont care either way about them.. Further to that, of those that do dislike them.. i suggest the majority dislike them due to forums, rather than actually anything in game.. but ofc these are inet "random" observations :P _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:51:00 - [260] Originally by: Breed Love why do you keep babbling on about all this "come and kill us" stuff, when you just mwd away in your nano huginns as soon as a gang enters your system? honestly, every time i see undocked privateers, they are in nano ships getting an occasional gank and running away. skills? challenge? I think not. You can talk all you want. Fact: - Your F4T4AL gang ran away when you outnumbered us near rens a while ago. - Your own nano phoons and domis are dying to our nanophoons and domis. - Yes, we havent caught you yet. - I like nano ship as much as tanked ships. All I have to say. Gordon Cain
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:54:00 - [261] nanoships rule
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:58:00 - [262] Originally by: NeverL nanoships rule QFT - For a while anyway. Gordon
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:04:00 - [263] Edited by: Plan Neun on 28/02/2007 14:02:57 This is how the public majority that you have shot down in Jita most probably see the cough urk cough "the honorable" Privateers and your violations towards the Yuali treaty. Does scoundrel's, vultures and jackal's ring a bell?
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:22:00 - [264] Originally by: Plan Neun Edited by: Plan Neun on 28/02/2007 14:02:57 Does scoundrel's, vultures and jackal's ring a bell? vultures do. We have killed a few of them. Gordon
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:32:00 - [265] Originally by: gordon cain Originally by: Plan Neun Edited by: Plan Neun on 28/02/2007 14:02:57 Does scoundrel's, vultures and jackal's ring a bell? vultures do. We have killed a few of them. Gordon
Demolition Gunit Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:43:00 - [266] we got wardecced by you guys yesterday ( Yoohoo !!) we went specially for you guys to empire to kill you and what do you do ? dock ... wait for back-up ... camp the station ... bump ppl off the station ( wich you guys suck in by the way ) challenge my ass .. the challenge for you guys is how fast you can all group up and have a station camped /me starts the stopwatch --- We are Sparta , Hear us ROAR !!!
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:01:00 - [267] Originally by: Demolition Gunit we got wardecced by you guys yesterday ( Yoohoo !!) we went specially for you guys to empire to kill you and what do you do ? dock ... wait for back-up ... camp the station ... bump ppl off the station ( wich you guys suck in by the way ) challenge my ass .. the challenge for you guys is how fast you can all group up and have a station camped /me starts the stopwatch And this comes from the same alliance that last time after we and several others wardecced you choose to dispand instead. /me starts the stopwatch on how long you last this time. gordon cain
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:21:00 - [268] Edited by: JMcClane on 28/02/2007 15:18:03 Yeah! We all remember the smart move by Sparta when they went 180 on their north-west friends and went +10 on goonswarm instead... Sadly... for them.. D2 interfered. I didn't hear of no Sparta gang coming to empire. How large was this gang?
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:32:00 - [269] Edited by: Boliknar on 28/02/2007 15:29:49 Originally by: gordon cain Originally by: NeverL nanoships rule QFT - For a while anyway. Gordon Yep they rule too bad the require absloutely no skills or tactical abilities to fly huh? Here is another example of the "thrilling PvP" and "game changing" ways of the Privateer Alliance. The other day while running through Obe myself (In a typhoon) and three alliances mates in various cruisers and battle-cruisers. We warp to the P3 gate just in time to hear that 5 Privateer alliance were jumping into Obe. Now notice the numbers Them 5 ships, you know the alliance thats in it only for the PvP. The alliance that is doing "great things" and "changing the game" us 4 ships. Odds in their favor right? They did have a nano-phoon and 4 suppport ships including a Jaguar AF. So what happens on jump in the Nano-Phoon hits his MWD leaves range and warps out.(Just in it for the PvP huh.) The other members of the "game changing" "great things" doing alliance start spamming the warp button. We do catch and blow up the Jag. So the questions are 1)Why run when you out numbered us? 2)If you are just in it for the PvP and to have more targets why not engage? 3) Was it because for a change your targets were ready for you?
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:38:00 - [270] the real question should be, if your so damn leet, how come all you could catch is a jag? ------ snip please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo CCp nerfed my sig and all i got was this crummy message ^^^
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:03:00 - [271] Originally by: Boliknar Edited by: Boliknar on 28/02/2007 15:29:49 Originally by: gordon cain Originally by: NeverL nanoships rule QFT - For a while anyway. Gordon Yep they rule too bad the require absloutely no skills or tactical abilities to fly huh? Here is another example of the "thrilling PvP" and "game changing" ways of the Privateer Alliance. The other day while running through Obe myself (In a typhoon) and three alliances mates in various cruisers and battle-cruisers. We warp to the P3 gate just in time to hear that 5 Privateer alliance were jumping into Obe. Now notice the numbers Them 5 ships, you know the alliance thats in it only for the PvP. The alliance that is doing "great things" and "changing the game" us 4 ships. Odds in their favor right? They did have a nano-phoon and 4 suppport ships including a Jaguar AF. So what happens on jump in the Nano-Phoon hits his MWD leaves range and warps out.(Just in it for the PvP huh.) The other members of the "game changing" "great things" doing alliance start spamming the warp button. We do catch and blow up the Jag. So the questions are 1)Why run when you out numbered us? 2)If you are just in it for the PvP and to have more targets why not engage? 3) Was it because for a change your targets were ready for you? What was their exact ship types and your ship types before you cry about the numbers. If it was only that one nanophoon and a few tacklers he would stand no chance of killing you guys before you had viped out the support. Think ffs. Tell us what ships you where flying and what ships they where flying. We might be in it for the pvp, but we still dont engage anything stupid that would result in 3 dead support and no kills. Gordon Cain
Demolition Gunit Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:10:00 - [272] And this comes from the same alliance that last time after we and several others wardecced you choose to dispand instead. /me starts the stopwatch on how long you last this time. gordon cain guys ... u only read your own posts on the forums ? our leader left the game cause of r/l issues and n00bs took over the alliance and went +10 to goon ... d2 shot the ppl who took over and sparta disbanded (true spartans were not involved in this disicion)... we did not disband because of the war dec of privateer(ROFL) no need for another stopwatch m8. Sparta is Back !!! P.S. wardeccing Sparta and then recalling it isint really a wardec now issit keep us war decced for atleast a week this time ... im bored and killing Xelas sucks --- We are Sparta , Hear us ROAR !!!
Demolition Gunit Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:13:00 - [273] Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 28/02/2007 15:18:03 Yeah! We all remember the smart move by Sparta when they went 180 on their north-west friends and went +10 on goonswarm instead... Sadly... for them.. D2 interfered. I didn't hear of no Sparta gang coming to empire. How large was this gang? all i know is that when its 3:1 odds for privateer .. that is the time when you guys start undocking and camping and bumping ( wich you guys really need to learn how to do that ) --- We are Sparta , Hear us ROAR !!!
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:41:00 - [274] Originally by: Demolition Gunit And this comes from the same alliance that last time after we and several others wardecced you choose to dispand instead. /me starts the stopwatch on how long you last this time. gordon cain guys ... u only read your own posts on the forums ? our leader left the game cause of r/l issues and n00bs took over the alliance and went +10 to goon ... d2 shot the ppl who took over and sparta disbanded (true spartans were not involved in this disicion)... we did not disband because of the war dec of privateer(ROFL) no need for another stopwatch m8. Sparta is Back !!! P.S. wardeccing Sparta and then recalling it isint really a wardec now issit keep us war decced for atleast a week this time ... im bored and killing Xelas sucks So let me get this right. When one privateer is stupid enough to drop a can infront of exit in jita 4-4 we are all docking and ganking noobs. but when your leadership of the alliance back then when to kamikaze mode it was only them that where noobs. Not the people backing them up. aha ok Gordon Cain
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.28 17:47:00 - [275] Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: USN CVN72 I convoed an x13 dude tonight wont mention names and arranged a 1v1 and after 30 seconds it became 7 v 1 but i put all wcs on knowing that it wouldnt be a fair fight and i warped off. As for your 1v1 offer your all full of ----. Dude, We have killed you 10+ times last year. We know you hate us. Fair enough. But is this really needed? You really hate us this much? However, if this should be the thruth, give me some proof and ill handle it with the particular x13 pilot. I've sent you an ingame mail, requesting information. until then i consider this propaganda. I don't hate you guys at all. If you are able to see my alliance mails i send in ROADKILL i give x13 very high respect because you guys are excellent pvpr's and bring credibility to the Privateer Alliance. I post on forums for two reasons which i have admitted since June of 2003. I post to create propaganda and to have fun. Absolutely i don't hate anyone in game as this is a game that i enjoy to play... USN
Ventosus x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 19:57:00 - [276] ok USN, thats sorted then. thx ............... I will win Eve
Patient 4127 Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 09:29:00 - [277] Originally by: Plan Neun Does scoundrel's, vultures and jackal's ring a bell? Aye they be me favourite of all things! YARR!!! P.S. Phtt, honour. This be piracy!
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:45:00 - [278] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan NPC corp Hauler alt > Privateers i loll'd
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 12:12:00 - [279] Originally by: babylonstew the real question should be, if your so damn leet, how come all you could catch is a jag? Reading compehension (or lack there of) FTL. Never once did I say we were in any way "Leet" as you put it. I was simply pointing out that when the numbers were semi even (in their favor really) they chose to run rather than fight a prepared enemy. How is this in any way, shape or form "game changing" or "doing geat things?" As for the gang we were in it was... A Typhoon (non-nano cause nanos are for *****s), Stilleto, Stabber and a Brutix. They were in a Typhoon (nano variety), Jaguar, Elite Destroyer(sorry forget which one), Celeste and a Drake. The Privateers are high sec pirates looking for easy ganks thats what they are thats what they do. This is fine its your 15$ play the game the way you want. But dont come here saying your changing Eve or doing great things. You're not. Ya know the other day I saw a Nub corp mining Veld in a .8 system. They were mining into a jet-can and having someone else haul it. Man they are changing this game and doing great things aren't they!
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 14:58:00 - [280] Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: babylonstew the real question should be, if your so damn leet, how come all you could catch is a jag? Reading compehension (or lack there of) FTL. Never once did I say we were in any way "Leet" as you put it. I was simply pointing out that when the numbers were semi even (in their favor really) they chose to run rather than fight a prepared enemy. How is this in any way, shape or form "game changing" or "doing geat things?" As for the gang we were in it was... A Typhoon (non-nano cause nanos are for ***s), Stilleto, Stabber and a Brutix. They were in a Typhoon (nano variety), Jaguar, Elite Destroyer(sorry forget which one), Celeste and a Drake. The Privateers are high sec pirates looking for easy ganks thats what they are thats what they do. This is fine its your 15$ play the game the way you want. But dont come here saying your changing Eve or doing great things. You're not. Ya know the other day I saw a Nub corp mining Veld in a .8 system. They were mining into a jet-can and having someone else haul it. Man they are changing this game and doing great things aren't they! Looking for easy ganks my *. you where 14 people on that jaguar killmail. If thats not gank I dont know what is. Gordon cain
Johnny ReeRee	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:08:00 - [281] The OP is an auction-scammer. He has one up now in The Forge, advertising a billion isk purchase price for a Navy Apoc, while the contract only actually offers 1 million. Legal, but really lame. There should be a way in Contracts to put people like the OP on an 'ignore' list.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2007.03.01 15:51:00 - [282] could really care less either way on the topic. But what I do see is that privateers are war decing to get easy kills. Now if they were war decing a bunch of industrial corps that are recruiting new players to the game I could understand your comment. But arent they war decing the largest alliances in the game? Arent said alliances filled to the brim with fighting characters? Seems a good portion of the alliances wont hardly talk to a player unless they have certain amount of skill pts ect. So what exactly is it that they are doing to get easy kills and all? I dont completely get the arguement. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:51:00 - [283] Edited by: JMcClane on 02/03/2007 11:52:34 Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: babylonstew the real question should be, if your so damn leet, how come all you could catch is a jag? Reading compehension (or lack there of) FTL. Never once did I say we were in any way "Leet" as you put it. I was simply pointing out that when the numbers were semi even (in their favor really) they chose to run rather than fight a prepared enemy. How is this in any way, shape or form "game changing" or "doing geat things?" As for the gang we were in it was... A Typhoon (non-nano cause nanos are for ****s), Stilleto, Stabber and a Brutix. They were in a Typhoon (nano variety), Jaguar, Elite Destroyer(sorry forget which one), Celeste and a Drake. The Privateers are high sec pirates looking for easy ganks thats what they are thats what they do. This is fine its your 15$ play the game the way you want. But dont come here saying your changing Eve or doing great things. You're not. Ya know the other day I saw a Nub corp mining Veld in a .8 system. They were mining into a jet-can and having someone else haul it. Man they are changing this game and doing great things aren't they! You as an individual can choose which actions you judge us by. Here's a little story from one of our 0.0 road trips last night. To Hydre space. It's not allowed to post killboard links, so I'll have to explain what happened. We set out from Obe... P3EN and fly towards C-FP70. We have a gang of 2 cruisers, 4 intercepters and 1 destroyer. The destination system shows 66 pilots on map. As we fly towards our destination a ratting raven just barely escape my tackle. He warps towards a planet and log in the process. We proceed... 3 jumps out of C-FP70 we find 3 Hydra in local... and start checking belts. We go through all 25+ belts.... and despite the fact that we have been in local for more than 5 minutes the lot of us, we find a dominix in the belts. We shoot him down, gank style offcourse... One should believe that the close to 10 war targets we passed on our way or the dominix pilot... would have alerted his alliance mates. One hostile leave local... I pursue towards C-FP70. I tackle a Raven as he jump to your station system, a system where there is 43 war targets, mainly hydra, in local. My friends fly two jumps, we fight the raven for 5 minutes, and your backup arrives as we're shooting his pod. So we flew into your 0.0 main castle, and manage to tackle and kill a bs on the gate, while 43 of his mates is one warp away. When you came, you brought interdictors, command ships, recon cruisers, battleships, the lot... in numbers of 15-20 ... to handle our 7 man gang. We found an alternative route out of the system. Thanks for playing with us. ... This is a reply not only to Hydra alliance, but to all in general. How is flying into a 45 man hostile 0.0 base of the enemy not a risk? And howcome we are able to get away with such a stunt... Perhaps we have just a small idea of what we're doing!But then again... it seems in the eyes of the public... I know nothing about anything but shooting haulers! If you feel we have let your* alliance down, have no worries... We will try to pay you a visit when we have the chance to!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 11:51:00 - [284] Edited by: JMcClane on 02/03/2007 11:52:34 Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: babylonstew the real question should be, if your so damn leet, how come all you could catch is a jag? Reading compehension (or lack there of) FTL. Never once did I say we were in any way "Leet" as you put it. I was simply pointing out that when the numbers were semi even (in their favor really) they chose to run rather than fight a prepared enemy. How is this in any way, shape or form "game changing" or "doing geat things?" As for the gang we were in it was... A Typhoon (non-nano cause nanos are for ****s), Stilleto, Stabber and a Brutix. They were in a Typhoon (nano variety), Jaguar, Elite Destroyer(sorry forget which one), Celeste and a Drake. The Privateers are high sec pirates looking for easy ganks thats what they are thats what they do. This is fine its your 15$ play the game the way you want. But dont come here saying your changing Eve or doing great things. You're not. Ya know the other day I saw a Nub corp mining Veld in a .8 system. They were mining into a jet-can and having someone else haul it. Man they are changing this game and doing great things aren't they! You as an individual can choose which actions you judge us by. Here's a little story from one of our 0.0 road trips last night. To Hydre space. It's not allowed to post killboard links, so I'll have to explain what happened. We set out from Obe... P3EN and fly towards C-FP70. We have a gang of 2 cruisers, 4 intercepters and 1 destroyer. The destination system shows 66 pilots on map. As we fly towards our destination a ratting raven just barely escape my tackle. He warps towards a planet and log in the process. We proceed... 3 jumps out of C-FP70 we find 3 Hydra in local... and start checking belts. We go through all 25+ belts.... and despite the fact that we have been in local for more than 5 minutes the lot of us, we find a dominix in the belts. We shoot him down, gank style offcourse... One should believe that the close to 10 war targets we passed on our way or the dominix pilot... would have alerted his alliance mates. One hostile leave local... I pursue towards C-FP70. I tackle a Raven as he jump to your station system, a system where there is 43 war targets, mainly hydra, in local. My friends fly two jumps, we fight the raven for 5 minutes, and your backup arrives as we're shooting his pod. So we flew into your 0.0 main castle, and manage to tackle and kill a bs on the gate, while 43 of his mates is one warp away. When you came, you brought interdictors, command ships, recon cruisers, battleships, the lot... in numbers of 15-20 ... to handle our 7 man gang. We found an alternative route out of the system. Thanks for playing with us. ... This is a reply not only to Hydra alliance, but to all in general. How is flying into a 45 man hostile 0.0 base of the enemy not a risk? And howcome we are able to get away with such a stunt... Perhaps we have just a small idea of what we're doing!But then again... it seems in the eyes of the public... I know nothing about anything but shooting haulers! If you feel we have let your* alliance down, have no worries... We will try to pay you a visit when we have the chance to!
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 12:41:00 - [285] The thing that annoys me most about Privateers is not their empire ganks and all that. What annoys me is the constant spam of corps leaving Privateers. I mean, wtf? You would think that they actually want to have some fights, but it seems that whenever it gets tough, corps leave Privateers "to earn some isk before getting back in". What kind of wuss attitude is that? Atleast have some balls and fight, even when it's not on your own terms. That's when it gets fun, anyway.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 12:41:00 - [286] The thing that annoys me most about Privateers is not their empire ganks and all that. What annoys me is the constant spam of corps leaving Privateers. I mean, wtf? You would think that they actually want to have some fights, but it seems that whenever it gets tough, corps leave Privateers "to earn some isk before getting back in". What kind of wuss attitude is that? Atleast have some balls and fight, even when it's not on your own terms. That's when it gets fun, anyway.
Klasper x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 15:52:00 - [287] Originally by: Frygok The thing that annoys me most about Privateers is not their empire ganks and all that. What annoys me is the constant spam of corps leaving Privateers. I mean, wtf? You would think that they actually want to have some fights, but it seems that whenever it gets tough, corps leave Privateers "to earn some isk before getting back in". What kind of wuss attitude is that? Atleast have some balls and fight, even when it's not on your own terms. That's when it gets fun, anyway. This "Flaw" of yours is what Privateers is all about... Getting alot of wars, and not being bound or restricted in any way concerning the alliance, apart from paying for a at least 1 war... This is in fact the perfect solution for people, like me, who's tired of politics and restrictions... Wether or not corps leave the alliance because they don't wanna fight would seem a bit strange, since we have like 20-50 alliance mails a day with a mix of expired wars and new ones... Actually I've never once said or thought: "Hell no, not that alliance... That will lead us to utter destruction, which the other several thousand players we've been at war with couldn't do" (Sarcasm included)
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 16:09:00 - [288] You as an individual can choose which actions you judge us by. Here's a little story from one of our 0.0 road trips last night. To Hydre space. It's not allowed to post killboard links, so I'll have to explain what happened. We set out from Obe... P3EN and fly towards C-FP70. We have a gang of 2 cruisers, 4 intercepters and 1 destroyer. The destination system shows 66 pilots on map. As we fly towards our destination a ratting raven just barely escape my tackle. He warps towards a planet and log in the process. We proceed... 3 jumps out of C-FP70 we find 3 Hydra in local... and start checking belts. We go through all 25+ belts.... and despite the fact that we have been in local for more than 5 minutes the lot of us, we find a dominix in the belts. We shoot him down, gank style offcourse... One should believe that the close to 10 war targets we passed on our way or the dominix pilot... would have alerted his alliance mates. One hostile leave local... I pursue towards C-FP70. I tackle a Raven as he jump to your station system, a system where there is 43 war targets, mainly hydra, in local. My friends fly two jumps, we fight the raven for 5 minutes, and your backup arrives as we're shooting his pod. So we flew into your 0.0 main castle, and manage to tackle and kill a bs on the gate, while 43 of his mates is one warp away. When you came, you brought interdictors, command ships, recon cruisers, battleships, the lot... in numbers of 15-20 ... to handle our 7 man gang. We found an alternative route out of the system. Thanks for playing with us. ... This is a reply not only to Hydra alliance, but to all in general. How is flying into a 45 man hostile 0.0 base of the enemy not a risk? And howcome we are able to get away with such a stunt... Perhaps we have just a small idea of what we're doing!But then again... it seems in the eyes of the public... I know nothing about anything but shooting haulers! If you feel we have let your alliance down, have no worries... We will try to pay you a visit when we have the chance to! Again how is any of this "game changing" or "doing great things?" That question still remains unanswered. You fell into a hostile system...ganked two ships either not paying attention or out of communications. The ran back down the pipe when a response warped to ya. Congrats yep none of that has ever been done before in Eve. Yep that sure is "game changing." I am gonna run right out and tell my friends that you guys have stumbled onto something here. Small gank squads shooting down inattentive ratters of an alliance. Wow why didnt some one think of that earlier. Again play the game the way you want and keep visiting us its fun...But dont try and make yourself out to be anything more than what you are. Its just silly and quite frankly beneath you.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 16:09:00 - [289] You as an individual can choose which actions you judge us by. Here's a little story from one of our 0.0 road trips last night. To Hydre space. It's not allowed to post killboard links, so I'll have to explain what happened. We set out from Obe... P3EN and fly towards C-FP70. We have a gang of 2 cruisers, 4 intercepters and 1 destroyer. The destination system shows 66 pilots on map. As we fly towards our destination a ratting raven just barely escape my tackle. He warps towards a planet and log in the process. We proceed... 3 jumps out of C-FP70 we find 3 Hydra in local... and start checking belts. We go through all 25+ belts.... and despite the fact that we have been in local for more than 5 minutes the lot of us, we find a dominix in the belts. We shoot him down, gank style offcourse... One should believe that the close to 10 war targets we passed on our way or the dominix pilot... would have alerted his alliance mates. One hostile leave local... I pursue towards C-FP70. I tackle a Raven as he jump to your station system, a system where there is 43 war targets, mainly hydra, in local. My friends fly two jumps, we fight the raven for 5 minutes, and your backup arrives as we're shooting his pod. So we flew into your 0.0 main castle, and manage to tackle and kill a bs on the gate, while 43 of his mates is one warp away. When you came, you brought interdictors, command ships, recon cruisers, battleships, the lot... in numbers of 15-20 ... to handle our 7 man gang. We found an alternative route out of the system. Thanks for playing with us. ... This is a reply not only to Hydra alliance, but to all in general. How is flying into a 45 man hostile 0.0 base of the enemy not a risk? And howcome we are able to get away with such a stunt... Perhaps we have just a small idea of what we're doing!But then again... it seems in the eyes of the public... I know nothing about anything but shooting haulers! If you feel we have let your alliance down, have no worries... We will try to pay you a visit when we have the chance to! Again how is any of this "game changing" or "doing great things?" That question still remains unanswered. You fell into a hostile system...ganked two ships either not paying attention or out of communications. The ran back down the pipe when a response warped to ya. Congrats yep none of that has ever been done before in Eve. Yep that sure is "game changing." I am gonna run right out and tell my friends that you guys have stumbled onto something here. Small gank squads shooting down inattentive ratters of an alliance. Wow why didnt some one think of that earlier. Again play the game the way you want and keep visiting us its fun...But dont try and make yourself out to be anything more than what you are. Its just silly and quite frankly beneath you.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:04:00 - [290] Again how is any of this "game changing" or "doing great things?" That question still remains unanswered. You fell into a hostile system...ganked two ships either not paying attention or out of communications. The ran back down the pipe when a response warped to ya. Congrats yep none of that has ever been done before in Eve. Yep that sure is "game changing." I am gonna run right out and tell my friends that you guys have stumbled onto something here. Small gank squads shooting down inattentive ratters of an alliance. Wow why didnt some one think of that earlier. Rolling Eyes Again play the game the way you want and keep visiting us its fun...But dont try and make yourself out to be anything more than what you are. Its just silly and quite frankly beneath you. _______________________________________________________________________________________ When have I claimed the Privateers was game changing in it's ways of PVP? But now that you say it... I do believe Empire is slightly changed compared to pre-privateers. Ain't claiming it to be some greater achievement. But a game change it is! Doing great things... The key essence is that we do not want to do great things. We don't want to successfully deploy Titans, cap ships, build outposts, claim sovereignty, or anything like that. We want to press F1-F8... Target being pods or dreadnaughts, I couldn't care less. And regarding your ratting carebears, Hydra Alliance, one should believe that spending 30 minutes going 10 jumps past 10 players should at least bring some sort of intel to your channels! You amongst others questioned our willingness to fight outnumbered. We did! 43 possible hostiles... 7 of us in cruisers and frigs. Do the math Einstein. The fact that your players choose to stay docked while their mates are being assaulted is not my fault. The fact is. We use guerilla warfare... We don't desire to match your fleets. Why should we?
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:12:00 - [291] Originally by: Klasper Originally by: Frygok The thing that annoys me most about Privateers is not their empire ganks and all that. What annoys me is the constant spam of corps leaving Privateers. I mean, wtf? You would think that they actually want to have some fights, but it seems that whenever it gets tough, corps leave Privateers "to earn some isk before getting back in". What kind of wuss attitude is that? Atleast have some balls and fight, even when it's not on your own terms. That's when it gets fun, anyway. This "Flaw" of yours is what Privateers is all about... Getting alot of wars, and not being bound or restricted in any way concerning the alliance, apart from paying for a at least 1 war... This is in fact the perfect solution for people, like me, who's tired of politics and restrictions... Wether or not corps leave the alliance because they don't wanna fight would seem a bit strange, since we have like 20-50 alliance mails a day with a mix of expired wars and new ones... Actually I've never once said or thought: "Hell no, not that alliance... That will lead us to utter destruction, which the other several thousand players we've been at war with couldn't do" (Sarcasm included) I think you are missing my point. As an entity, Privateers are great. Empire should not be safe, and that is one of Privateers major slogans, so to speak. Yet at the same time Privateers condone own corps leaving the alliance and by doing that, choosing not to fight. The exact same thing you deny other corps with your empire war decs. It's a bit double-standards. This is ofcourse only my personal view, but I really would respect Privateers to welcome fights, and not have corps leaving right and left all the time, when they feel like it. I know you don't care about my respect or honor, so I won't go on a long tirade on how you should respect your opponents and not just leave the alliance whenever it gets a bit rough. But as stated, you don't care about what the EVE community thinks, which is why I am wondering why you bother posting about your all the time?
Klasper x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:01:00 - [292] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Klasper Originally by: Frygok The thing that annoys me most about Privateers is not their empire ganks and all that. What annoys me is the constant spam of corps leaving Privateers. I mean, wtf? You would think that they actually want to have some fights, but it seems that whenever it gets tough, corps leave Privateers "to earn some isk before getting back in". What kind of wuss attitude is that? Atleast have some balls and fight, even when it's not on your own terms. That's when it gets fun, anyway. This "Flaw" of yours is what Privateers is all about... Getting alot of wars, and not being bound or restricted in any way concerning the alliance, apart from paying for a at least 1 war... This is in fact the perfect solution for people, like me, who's tired of politics and restrictions... Wether or not corps leave the alliance because they don't wanna fight would seem a bit strange, since we have like 20-50 alliance mails a day with a mix of expired wars and new ones... Actually I've never once said or thought: "Hell no, not that alliance... That will lead us to utter destruction, which the other several thousand players we've been at war with couldn't do" (Sarcasm included) I think you are missing my point. As an entity, Privateers are great. Empire should not be safe, and that is one of Privateers major slogans, so to speak. Yet at the same time Privateers condone own corps leaving the alliance and by doing that, choosing not to fight. The exact same thing you deny other corps with your empire war decs. It's a bit double-standards. This is ofcourse only my personal view, but I really would respect Privateers to welcome fights, and not have corps leaving right and left all the time, when they feel like it. I know you don't care about my respect or honor, so I won't go on a long tirade on how you should respect your opponents and not just leave the alliance whenever it gets a bit rough. But as stated, you don't care about what the EVE community thinks, which is why I am wondering why you bother posting about your all the time? Respect for your oppinion, it's a fair point... For me, it's just that the only thing important to me in this game is fun... I personally make money on our wars (most of the time anyways ) so I myself don't really have any reasons to leave, if I want more quite surroundings I'll just use my jump-clone and dissappear to somewhere remote :) That works fine for me, but my corp might not want half the members being somewhere and the rest somewhere else, which in it self results in less gangs due to less PvP-active members, and therefore also less fun for everyone... This would be the only reason I could see for my corp to leave Privateers: Getting its own members united and together figuring out what to do to have fun in the future... (Maybe rejoin the alliance, if we think that was what brought the most fun... ) (I might be repeating myself or just not making sense, but I tried at least )
AlphaGeek1 VSP Corp. R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:49:00 - [293] Originally by: PHPR Freighter Edited by: PHPR Freighter on 26/02/2007 22:49:12 VSPC kicked me for being a "spy" and for being a noob in 0.0... DEATH TO VERONICA SP/ALPHAGEEK1/ALPHAGEEK4!! (seriously.. they suck ) You make me smile. I love you too. So how's your mining slave corp doin these days man? How was your choice to be in LV? For all your talk, why haven't I seen you up here? Blah blah blah. Too much talk, not enough walk. Bring the targets. Akiko says hi. What we think, we become.
Gift Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:44:00 - [294] Originally by: JMcClane When have I claimed the Privateers was game changing in it's ways of PVP? Actually I was the one who said that, we must all look alike to him. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!

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