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JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/02/2007 09:22:29 Originally by: JMcClane Quote: #2: We don't like fair fights. #Response to Problem# It's not a problem. It's what we want. A challenge... 2. Yes we do, with all the war targets and the larger gang movements due to the war, we actually see a while lot of fights which are up hill for us. I don't see you wardecing pirate corps and going into low-sec to kill them. Is it because they're not in haulers or NPC setups? Most pirate corporations in low sec are smaller corporations of 10-20 which will never be seen in empire. Their playground is below 0.5, ours is higher atm. It's also about isk. Why would I pay 50 million to war dec a 10 man corp with a max of perhaps 5 players online at all times, living in one little corner of eve, when i can pay 50 million and war dec 500 to 2000 or even more, flying about everywhere!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:44:00 - [92] seriously, who are you trying to fool, there is no risk to be taken in empire. I've fought lots of empire wars and know that if you have half a brain you will never die. Their whole alliance is based on "lets annoy some alliances by ganking their empire stragglers". People join them for access to easy ganks, not for a challenge. If they wanted a challenge, they would roam out in zeros. nothing wrong with them having fun with this, there are people who think mining veld is fun . doesnt make them cool or earn them any respect though. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:46:00 - [93] Hi JMC. No matter what, you can be sure about one thing. Me and JMC will always be shooting eachother
Tigrotta	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:49:00 - [94] noobs... they like to be OUTBREAK... but no chance... because OUTBREAK is a great PVP Corp with honor...
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:51:00 - [95] You sound as if you couldn't go in 0.4 and under. High-sec is your playground because you choose to stay there. As for numbers, isn't one of PA's excuses that they want to avoid blobs? Leave your alliance, declare war on a single pirate corp, every pirate corp in a single region if you want, and go pew-pew them. Then you'd have skirmishes against prepared enemies... But I guess you find haulers more fun... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:55:00 - [96] Originally by: Major Stormer Hi JMC. No matter what, you can be sure about one thing. Me and JMC will always be shooting eachother LOL... There's a known fact :) Nice gank on me the other day... went out on a chance there... Know you guys from living with Xelas in Fountain, but hey... ... hmm... wouldn't this mean that a privateer pilot took a risk to try and find a good fight... OMG.... I must change alliance right away :) Sarcasm aside... I think Breed Love would find a sunday evening of flying around in empire as a privateer in just a half decent ship to be quite a challenge and quite a risk. Last night we had roaming gangs x4 of sizes 10-20 plus up our 'behinds'... Even in empire it's hard and risky to operate with hosties around! Does the major alliance take unnecesarry risk? Do they not put their freighters in NPC corporations ? I think so! And yes... the consequence of Privateers will be many will join NPC corporations to make THEIR way of playing EVE easier! Sadly, this is true!
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:57:00 - [97] U r pirates, nd pirates ned kelling! Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 09:58:00 - [98] Originally by: Shadowsword You sound as if you couldn't go in 0.4 and under. High-sec is your playground because you choose to stay there. As for numbers, isn't one of PA's excuses that they want to avoid blobs? Leave your alliance, declare war on a single pirate corp, every pirate corp in a single region if you want, and go pew-pew them. Then you'd have skirmishes against prepared enemies... But I guess you find haulers more fun... You comment without thought. Look up the carrier kills on our killboard mate... This would indicate that we actually do fly in low sec. Ask Myriad alliance if they had the pleasure of our company in Tama! And why pay good isk to get to shoot someone who you can already shoot in low sec due to their low sec. standing? Wouldn't it make more sense to just go there and shoot them, as there's no concord in low sec anyhow. Where is the logic and common sense in war deccing?
oniplE Cereal Killerz deadspace society	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:00:00 - [99] Privateers do what they do to have fun, and it seems to be working, and in the end, thats what this game is all about, so nice job on that one. However, that doesnt mean you gain or earn respect for what you are doing, its low-risk empire ganking without honor and you should not look surprise when you are looked down upon because of this.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:01:00 - [100] Originally by: Gibmundur U r pirates, nd pirates ned kelling! Privateers, Pirates, call it as you like... ... but please come kill us! It's actually what we're waiting and hoping for! :)
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:02:00 - [101] Originally by: oniplE Privateers do what they do to have fun, and it seems to be working, and in the end, thats what this game is all about, so nice job on that one. However, that doesnt mean you gain or earn respect for what you are doing, its low-risk empire ganking without honor and you should not look surprise when you are looked down upon because of this. How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region?
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:03:00 - [102] Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:07:00 - [103] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:09:00 - [104] you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:12:00 - [105] Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) omg your delusional! we 0.0ers have to come all the way back up to stinking empire to resupply! where you make it hell for us to move stuff to 0.0 for... if we could simply build stuff in 0.0 do you think wede ever bother coming up to empire to be killed outside jita 4 - 4 by you? and no in 0.0 you cant just dock! the majority of 0.0 does not have stations. stop making yourself look like a fool! go live in 0.0 for a little before you make wild assumptions!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:14:00 - [106] Originally by: JMcClane And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) You dock in your station - enemy comes in and kills your poses etc. If you want to defend your property you dont dock, you fight. Privies have nothing to defend, so docking isnt a problem for them. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:15:00 - [107] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:04:33 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane How is being chased by 4 major hostile gank squads of 10-20 pilots a lower risk than sitting 25 ppl on a bubble camp 'defending' your 0.0 region? because in empire you can just dock and those 4 major gank squads chasing you are rendered useless? And you do not have the option to dock in your 0.0 space? You do not have the option to supply yourselves with new ships from your station? .... Where we on the contrary have to fly 10-50 jumps back to get a new ship.... I wonder why we don't often choose to go to 0.0 where you have all the low risks, and we take all the highs! Think about it ;) omg your delusional! we 0.0ers have to come all the way back up to stinking empire to resupply! where you make it hell for us to move stuff to 0.0 for... if we could simply build stuff in 0.0 do you think wede ever bother coming up to empire to be killed outside jita 4 - 4 by you? and no in 0.0 you cant just dock! the majority of 0.0 does not have stations. stop making yourself look like a fool! go live in 0.0 for a little before you make wild assumptions! I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple!
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:15:00 - [108] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. I am afraid to say that the only retard there is you sir, He is dam right, the OP spamed loads of crap about wanting a fight when the fact is you don't want to fight, you want to kill people wile they are looking at a black screen. Step off the high horse as it's made of wood and rocks my dear friend.
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [109] Good explanation, waterproof concept. Sounds like fun. join us today!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:18:00 - [110] Edited by: Breed Love on 26/02/2007 10:15:33 Originally by: JMcClane I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple! Then dont try to prtray yourselves as some noble heroes of teh empire, caus thats what makes you look stupid. Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Just stand for it, and ppl will respect you . If you pretend like you want risks, you just make yourself look like a fool. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:20:00 - [111] Originally by: Minigin you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game. Is it honerably to war dec all the major alliances in eve? YES, because your assumptions of us catching only stragglers and expensive haulers are way wrong. Quote: your never going to fight a battle you cant win. Would you fight a battle you didn't stand a chance of winning if you had no POS, outpost or whatever to protect? Would you engage 15 hostiles with 4, just because it was the honerable thing to do? I think not! And as of your comment on the divisions between the alliances at the moment. Yes it is perhaps oppertune for us. But Privateers have existed from before the beginning of this 'oh so great eve war'! Join us Minigin, and let's see how rich you will get!!! At least I have the guts to make my isk of PVP'ing instead of mining Crokite, moon mining or ratting which in established (and not attacked) 0.0 is the lowest risk ever!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:24:00 - [112] Originally by: Breed Love Edited by: Breed Love on 26/02/2007 10:15:33 Originally by: JMcClane I've spend my time in 0.0. I still am spending my alt time in 0.0. Stop thinking I'm a fool. Realize that your advantages lie in 0.0, and ours does not! It doesn't get more simple! Then dont try to prtray yourselves as some noble heroes of teh empire, caus thats what makes you look stupid. Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Just stand for it, and ppl will respect you . If you pretend like you want risks, you just make yourself look like a fool. I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. Quote: Privateers are empire gankers who are in it for easy kills. Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:25:00 - [113] Edited by: JMcClane on 26/02/2007 10:23:26 Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Flinx Evenstar IS this post needed? You hang around Jita and gank people undocking from station 4-4, when they are lagged by black screen of death. It's not a mystery as to what you do.... Retards like you are why we need the above post. I am afraid to say that the only retard there is you sir, He is dam right, the OP spamed loads of crap about wanting a fight when the fact is you don't want to fight, you want to kill people wile they are looking at a black screen. Step off the high horse as it's made of wood and rocks my dear friend. Read the thread please... 4-4 has already been discussed to death earlier in the thread! And btw... It's not much easier for us to undock at 4-4 with wars ongoing with half the alliances ;) ... We get ganked there as much as the next one!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:31:00 - [114] Originally by: JMcClane I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. nothing wrong with enjoying the game the way you do, if you stand for it. You like easy ganks, just say it out loud and accept it. I look down upon you because you pretend like you want a challenge, while the whole concept of privateers is access to easy pvp. Im not saying it isnt fun. Im saying its easy. Quote: Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets! I've been fighting empire wars for a year and a half before moving to 0.0, I know what it is all about. If you know what you're doing, the risks are minimal, saying otherwise means you are a liar . ofcos if i some day decide i want some easy kills, ill join privateers without a doubt. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:33:00 - [115] Originally by: JMcClane You can argue that the war system need an overhaul. I, on the other hand, would argue that players older than 3 months should not have the option to stay in an NPC corporation and live a 100% protected life in EVE. They should be forced to participate in the massive multiplayer game that EVE is, and not be allowed to securely profit day after day without having to worry . Make a 25% tax toll in NPC corporations... Make them unable to use freighters... Make ppl play this game as a multiplayer game, and make them not 'bend the rules' and have their alts fly in NPC corporations so they can operate safely even while war decced.... If you want to play this game without risk, join a NPC corporation. You're safe and sound there to do whatever you wish to do. ATM... I personally hope it won't stay like that! CCP realised one importent thing: If you have a game where the penalty of death is harsh, you have to have a sanctum area where people can go to lick thier wounds and get ready for another day in the fight. WHat you do is break that very basic priciple. You only leave your targets with the option of joining the NPC corps to get that sanctum. (And YES its needed. We dont all get free easy kills to keep us fat.) Besides I dont for one minute belive that Privateeers dont have ****loads of alts in safe corps in empire... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:33:00 - [116] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36 SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they *** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway). So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives. And what do these people do? They cry some more. Good show Privateers! Wtf are u talking about... how does war decn every .0 alliance effect empire carebears? Granted there are quite a few people who have alts to make isk in empire but they're risking their mains in .0. I could see your point if they war dec'd individual corps but... I don't think people really care, it gets a bit tedious having to transfer everything to an alt then send them to jita but no biggy. What honks people off and why they think privateers are so pathetic is some of their a5shat members come on here claiming to be the next m0o and how fantastic they are at pvp. There are some good pvp corps in there ranks, so what? Originally by:** CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: JMcClane I'm not portraying me as a noble hero of empire. I'm attempting to describe to you the concept and reasons behind our corporation being in Privateers. You are trying to look down upon us due to the fact that we don't pick our fights in your high castles, and that we do not enjoy this game in the same way you do. nothing wrong with enjoying the game the way you do, if you stand for it. You like easy ganks, just say it out loud and accept it. I look down upon you because you pretend like you want a challenge, while the whole concept of privateers is access to easy pvp. Im not saying it isnt fun. Im saying its easy. Quote: Try it for a while mate... You would be surprised of the challenge it actually brings, though it doesn't involve the organization of 100 man large fleets! I've been fighting empire wars for a year and a half before moving to 0.0, I know what it is all about. If you know what you're doing, the risks are minimal, saying otherwise means you are a liar . ofcos if i some day decide i want some easy kills, ill join privateers without a doubt. Privateers is easy access to PVP. Not access to easy PVP! 1. I stand for it... I like what I'm doing 2. I'm having fun 3. It's not easy ganks as we take the fights against also larger gangs, if we are capable of matching them without us getting ganked. 4. Problem atm is... your larger gangs are all fighting in 0.0, so we don't see too many of them... This result in more ganks at the moment. Before the GREAT EVE WAR, the circumstances were different. 5. Risks are perhaps minimal in empire as you could choose to dock and outwait the hostile forces. But how is Ctrl Q in 0.0 much different? (Or Ctrl + Q in empire for that sake... We do get quite a bit of that)
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:38:00 - [118] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Minigin you still havnt adressed the issue of honour and even morality. is it honerable to war dec all the major alliance in the game, knowing that you will most likely only catch straglers and some expencive haulers? lets be serious now... your never going to fight a battle you cant win. you get money by making empire into 0.0 for yourselves. given the divisions between existing alliances you know that you have the upper hand in empire. Lets not be foolish... PA is a get rich quick scheme which lacks honour and is misusing the existing war dec feature of this game. Is it honerably to war dec all the major alliances in eve? YES, because your assumptions of us catching only stragglers and expensive haulers are way wrong. Quote: your never going to fight a battle you cant win. Would you fight a battle you didn't stand a chance of winning if you had no POS, outpost or whatever to protect? Would you engage 15 hostiles with 4, just because it was the honerable thing to do? I think not! And as of your comment on the divisions between the alliances at the moment. Yes it is perhaps oppertune for us. But Privateers have existed from before the beginning of this 'oh so great eve war'! Join us Minigin, and let's see how rich you will get!!! At least I have the guts to make my isk of PVP'ing instead of mining Crokite, moon mining or ratting which in established (and not attacked) 0.0 is the lowest risk ever! youve got me all wrong my friend... i ONLY pvp. i dont rat i dont mine i dont do anything! and this is my only char! i know how to make a living off pvp and i do it in more honerable ways than you! granted i may have wardeced a few corps i knew i could defeat almost single handedly and gained considerable riches from this... but i am not greedy or selfish enough to war dec half of eve to fill my pocket!(which btw is filled enough out of 0.0 pvp that i will likely never have to rat again) grow up and stop thinking you are doing this because its a challenge. its easy as pie! if you want hard come join me in 0.0 and ill show you just what hard is!
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:45:00 - [119] Originally by: JMcClane Privateers is easy access to PVP. Not access to easy PVP! 1. I stand for it... I like what I'm doing 2. I'm having fun 3. It's not easy ganks as we take the fights against also larger gangs, if we are capable of matching them without us getting ganked. 4. Problem atm is... your larger gangs are all fighting in 0.0, so we don't see too many of them... This result in more ganks at the moment. Before the GREAT EVE WAR, the circumstances were different. 5. Risks are perhaps minimal in empire as you could choose to dock and outwait the hostile forces. But how is Ctrl Q in 0.0 much different? (Or Ctrl + Q in empire for that sake... We do get quite a bit of that) ctrl-q is ebil, but tbh docking > ctrl-q. Atleast you are still in game and can smacktalk in local . kudos to you for taking on challenging fights if you really do that. however, then speak for yourself and not the whole alliance. Personally, when I travel in a gang > 5 ppl, the only privateers I see are docked ones. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.26 10:48:00 - [120] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Altar Mei Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 26/02/2007 08:09:36 SO many people here cry about how people in empire have no risk; they ***** about how much money can be made in empire. They whine about mission runners and how much money they make, and how it CAN'T POSSIBLY be fair that mission runners can make nearly as much as 0.0 ratters (which has very little risk anyway). So, along comes an alliance/organization that makes empire dangerous again. They put some risk into the empire carebears' lives. And what do these people do? They cry some more. Good show Privateers! Wtf are u talking about... how does war decn every .0 alliance effect empire carebears? Granted there are quite a few people who have alts to make isk in empire but they're risking their mains in .0. I could see your point if they war dec'd individual corps but... I don't think people really care, it gets a bit tedious having to transfer everything to an alt then send them to jita but no biggy. What honks people off and why they think privateers are so pathetic is some of their a5shat members come on here claiming to be the next m0o and how fantastic they are at pvp. There are some good pvp corps in there ranks, so what? I haven't claimed that we're fantastic in pvp... nor we are the next m0o... Don't start an argument about that in an otherwise nice thread. I guess it boils down to a question of what we want EVE to be like. The 0.0 alliances don't wanna make the bother of protecting their gear in empire. They like a risk free way of transporting their stuff and making money to provide their main out in what they believe is EVE's only true playground. What I'd like is a game that had consequence for ALL players. Where there is some sort of consequence, high or low, for everyone, whereever they may choose to be. We do need sanctuaries where ppl are relatively save. Not Safe Havens where they can not be touch and otherwise backup the cause of their 0.0 activities! high sec = less profitable Low sec = more risk 0.0 = alot more risk those are the conseqences... so basicaly you are griefing the folks making the least isk... be proud of your achievments PA your weeding out the younger players...

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