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Styfle Preface
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:08:00 -
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A beautiful map, but I demand that you get rid of the hexagons and instead use the MC Escher "Sky and Water" lithograph.
 Originally by: Hardin
I like the look of this map - however Joshua's map had much more detail about other things happening in the universe. It's not all about BoB vs the Coalition you know...
GS can only put the information that they have on the map - obviously that's largely going to relate to the coalition's activities. As was suggested earlier in the thread, if there's a conflict or anything else that you feel should be on there, post in the thread. This sort of thing really has to be a community effort in order to be accurately maintained.
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Aindrias
Amarr
Fomus-Amarr Industrial
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:09:00 -
[92]
It does say "GOonswarm Map", so maybe biased was built in, but I'm not judging. You may want to add the perma-war between CVA and UK given the fact that a shift there will change a lot for the South.. etc. I don't know the detail, but I'm sure someone is pushing somewhere there =-)
Aindrias
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Hermia
HIVE
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:15:00 -
[93]
Josh's work on "The Map" is duly appreciated by the community, however maybe the torch should be handed to someone else, again. This new incarnation would be an excellent candidate.
I do share Hardin's point that any map must have an adequate legend, filling an entire vertical column should be no problem. The format given as: 'political commentary' and respective 'map markers' should stay! From looking at this map it already takes this form but obviously needs to cover a greater scope to be taken seriously.
good work tho 
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Sheriff Badden
Amarr
Legion Federation
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:17:00 -
[94]
oooh hexagony    
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:20:00 -
[95]
this is the goon map and it reflects whats important for goons current agenda.
dont compare it with josh as his has a much more universal aproach.
the maps should coexist as they fullfill different purposes
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:20:00 -
[96]
Nice clean format. I like it
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:21:00 -
[97]
Very good map indeed!
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lin Dze
Originally by: Crellion
New cell graphic is very cool.
Accuracy is very poor.
You're just upset that he didn't give war credit to Cult of Gank in GW. Especially since when the fleet is there, the cows have gone home.
Tissue ?
Anyway, I wonder, why there is a southern and northern coalition that is named as that, but the other side is named 'Band of Brothers', which includes LV, ISS etc.
Looks like you see LV and ISS as some vasalls of BoB. That's the goonfleet view, so the map lacks neutrality.
And well, RAGoon have claimed some of the new regions, but when I'm there I don't notice much of it.
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Ekon Bor
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:27:00 -
[99]
Nice map and I like the graphics but I'd have to say I prefer joshua's for clarity and actually being able to see the underlying systems.
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Laythun
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:28:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
I remember when AAA used to be good, before they had to make up fantasy claims to explain why they can't hold their own in small fights.
Thats a very sweeping statement there 'mate'
challenge is it?
on is it?
*snip* please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo
Black Lance Brother
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Callistus
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:36:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You also wouldn't believe the real the reason why the last update date was missed. 
zomg, did you get laid? 
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:42:00 -
[102]
Quote:
christianethic (4 days ago)
Once Remedial pays me my 600mil isk it will be released onto Eve-O for everyone. The main motivation behind the new political map is simply because we want to take away the only thing that****got, Joshua 4chan holds dear.
We want to tear down every aspect of the old order of EVE, We want to remove Bigotry, Racism and this "Old Boys Club" Attitude from the game, A new map is just one part of this cleansing.
So how is this unbiased or a service to the community? Looks to me a bunch of pubbies from some internet forum trying to screw up another game they joined. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:47:00 -
[103]
/me likes. Only missing the "Chribba's Veldspar Empire" dot over the Amarr system
Keep up the good work!
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hardin
I like the look of this map - however Joshua's map had much more detail about other things happening in the universe. It's not all about BoB vs the Coalition you know...
QFT, its a brilliant looking map but its been created with tunnel vision 
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:48:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Callistus
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You also wouldn't believe the real the reason why the last update date was missed.
zomg, did you get laid?
No technically i was face down on the floor sleeping that specific night. Or so i was told. Don't remember myself tbh.
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Taivek
Caldari
The Order of Chivalry
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:51:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Taivek on 26/02/2007 18:51:59
Good to see an updated map but those hexagons look bad and are hard to read.
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Nikolias
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:52:00 -
[107]
Only problem i have is i cant actually see the systems. =/ and have to assume whats where. maybe tone down the colours to more pale colours.
plus having a problem viewing with firefox
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velocoraptor
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:53:00 -
[108]
According to out K/B since 22/01/2007 (a bit more than a month ago) we have 1.299 kills over Curse alliance members and 241 losses. While 1.540 total kills may not be THAT much, I think it's a considerable number for the map to show SOMETHING there (north by north-east Great Wildlands).
An alliance losing 1.299 ships in a month, most around some 5-10 systems cannot seriously consider that a "non-issue". Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say "we pwn you" (I've taken little part in that war myself anyway, due to rl issues).
It's merely to show the map maker that there ARE fights taking place there. Also, it makes me (and rightfully so imho) doubt the credibility of the map as a whole. Of course if it was to be fixed.....
If you really want to make an unbiased map (an effort I personally applaud) you should try to talk with friends and enemies alike-maybe even more to enemies than friends
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:58:00 -
[109]
I am glad there is a new map, but please learn from what you disliked about the old one....
keep it unbiased, please, these things are a great little tool but become worthless when they are used as propaganda
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Nuvanito
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:03:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Nuvanito on 26/02/2007 19:00:40
Originally by: RedSwarm One
To anyone that has recommendations for changes:
Please list briefly the change you want to see, the area it effects, the specific systems/constellations if you can, and your justification for the change. Since we can't be all over the universe at once, if you say Alliance X is attacking Alliance Y or that Alliance Z is dead, we have to take your word for it. That's why we intend to update it often, so that even if people post somewhat inaccurate information, chances are the map will be changed back quickly to account for the truth of the matter
Also: anybody that wishes to edit the map and repost it in these threads is welcome to do so. This map is held by GoonSwarm as property and we allow everybody to modify it for their own purposes so long as it's in a constructive manner. We reserve the right to take your modifications and incorporate them into our new maps, of course.
Enjoy!
Just in case you guys saying the map is poor because it left your war out missed it. If you feel like you've been left out or something is inaccurate, either say so here or edit the map yourself and post it and it'll probably be incorporated into the next iteration.
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Zae'dra Xanthe
Fist of the Goat
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:11:00 -
[111]
I love it! I wish it was on it's own website though. I'd love to use Vista's active desktop to keep a constant look at the ever-change Eve territories.
No matter what, it's good to have choices in maps. 1 isn't going to work for everyone. Choice is good!
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:19:00 -
[112]
The trick to interpreting this, is probably put it next to Joshuas map, contrast and compare.
Lets be honest, theres no one neutral left in 0.0. The ISS have been functionally obliterated as a true neutral corp (for 0.0 purposes), the role play corps have role play biases (What ya mean [UNITY], the minmitar are in the fields not in spaceship!) , IAC have a terribly angry hangover, and, well yeah.
And actually I just dont believe in neutrality anyway. One thing studying journalism taught me was that balance is where you get one guys opinion and use it to hang another guys opinion with. Its a myth, because no-opinion, philosophically speaking, is still an opinion.
So, in light of that , get josh's map. Get Stahlregen's map. Contrast and compare. Where you see differences of interpretation (once stahlregen refines it a little bit with community input), you'll see the most interesting part of the game emerging;- the difference of opinion.
For analogy, when an astronomer is looking for commets. He'll take 2 identical photos of the sky at , say 1 hour intervals. Then he'll flip back and forward quickly between the two. If a star 'pulses' from there to not there. It means somethings changed. a comet!
Likewise, if you compare and contrast, chances are where theres a difference, you'll pick up an insight as to the values josh would bias towards as a friend of BOB and the values Stahl would bias as a goon. But instead of a comet, you'll see a territory dispute!
And thus the bias becomes the *tool* to reveal the truth!
Good work Stahl, and keep it up as well josh. Compare notes, keep your biases, and let the community use a bit of logic to work out where the truth is hiding.
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Ritchler
Gallente
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:27:00 -
[113]
Josh should sue that deisgn, much better than his tbfh
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:34:00 -
[114]
Originally by: The Beatnuts
Edited by: The Beatnuts on 26/02/2007 15:48:50
Originally by: Ty'derian
Exuro Mortis? is this the alliance with the stabbed commandships? lol...
Damn i didn't believe my corp mates when they told their sleipnirs had stabs and nanos!
God, I can feel the pain from here.
umm, LOL? don't be jealous and make up stuff just because you are getting spanked.
This map seriously is way way too broad.
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Lireil Crow
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Request for change:
You can remove the AAA invasion of MC space, after that first weekend, AAA hasn't made any attempts to attack MC in their home.
You never went to war with AAA havnt you? You lost your space already and you don't even know it. They are playing you like a 1 Isk *****... Lol come back in a few weeks and post if you still have any space left.
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:27:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Raid on 26/02/2007 20:23:58
A Bee Hive "Honey Comb" map made by a member of Oonswarm. The whole thing looks like a big advertisment for Oonswarm!
Putting that aside however, the map is very two dimensional in its look at eve. Theres almost no mention of anything going on other than a push on LV in the south east and a push on BoB/Xelas in the south West. What happened to the rest of eve?
Also, the map maker called LV/ISS "Band of Brothers". Thats probably there because the map maker doesnt know as much about the History of eve..
One last thing. The 7-K region is controlled by goonswarm? um LOL! 99% of Oonswam pilots are in Scalding pass or off fighting LV.
Conclusion, MUCH more bias than anything Josh has put out.
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PDoggy
Minmatar
Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:30:00 -
[117]
Personally, I feel that Josh's map is a little easier on the eyes, though I have a preference for the source of this one. I'll be watching both - my point here is that it's ALWAYS good to have an alternative. There isn't any harm in it and it gives people a choice.
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Flying DogbearRatcat
Cornerstone Unlimited
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:37:00 -
[118]
great map!, much better than the previous.
good work
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:37:00 -
[119]
Neat looking map, though not exactly functionally readable - and ESA doesn't hold anything in geminate anymore IIRC.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:47:00 -
[120]
Nice attempt, But Joshuas is still ftw. Maybe make the hexagons a bit smaller and everything a little less migraine inducing. Also, the arrows have a bit of a Dad's Army vibe.
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