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Kalahn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kalahn on 26/02/2007 14:58:27
Edited by: Kalahn on 26/02/2007 14:57:53
Due to the rapidly changing political scene of eve, Goonswarm would like to offer the eve community a new and innovating political map to provide both a functional tool, and an informative addition to the eve community.
The map will be updated more than once per week, which contains as much relevant political information as can be transcribed onto a two dimensional map of New Eden.
We are releasing this map for two main reasons (and with no disrespect to the current political map).
The first reason is the current(and only) political map isn't updated frequently enough to give an accurate measure of the rapidly changing meta game that coexists in eve. The second, the current map tends to favour certain powers and as a result distorts the actual power plays that exist in the meta game.
While no source can ever be considered purely unbiased Goonswarm believes we can produce a more accurate and detailed picture of current events.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0702/galactic_political__arena26.2.07.jpg
All credit goes to Stahlregen (of GoonSwarm), who designed and created the map by himself. Stahl and other GS members will be updating the map as often as possible and will maintain as much political detachment as possible.
We request this thread be either stickied or merged into the political map thread from the mods.
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Tequilapepper
Amarr
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tequilapepper on 26/02/2007 14:58:43
link?
/me is curious
Regards
Edit: you added the link afterwards :D
Teq
FIX Grunt
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:02:00 -
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Silly question I'm sure, but where is the map then?
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:02:00 -
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good idea as the old one was so much in bobs pocket.
 Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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TheArchJudge
Gallente
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:02:00 -
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a link would go a long way tbh 
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Le Cook
Amarr
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:03:00 -
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Excellent Idea,
so where is it ?
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Kalahn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:05:00 -
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Apologies, if you've just posted, you will have missed the refresh, sadly my clicking of the update button is slower than some of you guys :(
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:05:00 -
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for number 2 you forgot morhus mihi i think
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Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
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Poolpy
dev zero
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: nickky01
for number 2 you forgot morhus mihi i think
rawr = morsus mihi.
Nice map ^^.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 -
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Looks pretty good.
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Tequilapepper
Amarr
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: nickky01
for number 2 you forgot morhus mihi i think
YUP Indeed :)
FIX Grunt
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Himani Yeshua
Caldari
PezCo - Ice Services
United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:06:00 -
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I like it!
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Seznid
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:07:00 -
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Nice looking map
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Laird
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:09:00 -
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Hexagons? Truly Eve is a war game then 
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The Anointed
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:10:00 -
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Props for creating a new map, I must admit more than anything I love the look of it.
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Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:10:00 -
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Nice work Goons, plz mark the lower 87- region as war zone cos we going after Guardian Coalition, k tnx !
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SirMolle
2006.12.13 12:18:00
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:11:00 -
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nice one.
gonna be lovely when you all have pushed bob and lv out and turn coats on each other :D
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Poolpy
Originally by: nickky01
for number 2 you forgot morhus mihi i think
rawr = morsus mihi.
Nice map ^^.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh my bad...its a good map to.
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:13:00 -
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Interesting look, very clean and to the point. Well done.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:13:00 -
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w00t DOWN WITH JOSHUA'S MAP 
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:15:00 -
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looks very nice
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Vladimir Yuchenko
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Yuchenko on 26/02/2007 15:15:04
Hey I'm all for a constantly updated map but you are as bias as Joshua, and his map looks better. Seriously drop the hexagons and focus in a bit so people can actually see the systems/constellations you are talking about in the map.
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:17:00 -
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I see little here that differs from Joshua maps..........
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:19:00 -
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i like how alot of the pentagons are missing in lv space, rofl.
very nice map, the current one sucks so bad.
I demand this gets stickied as an alternative to bobs map
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:22:00 -
[25]
I'm very interested to see more viewpoints on the state of eve empires. Good work!
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:23:00 -
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Good job, but it needs an update. ESA is not in IPS since January. /waves to Cruel Intentions
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:23:00 -
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Best thing is that you're showing Tenants, just noticed that.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:25:00 -
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No thanks.
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Fear Not
Veni Vidi Dormivi
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:26:00 -
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This just looks biased to me. Joshua's is much easier to read and shows better where the claims start and end. After all there are no hexagons in eve.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:28:00 -
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Nice looking map, no idea if its accurate or not.
I do find it kinda funny though that now the map is a BoB tool as well 
I never did quite get all the hub-bub over a week long incursion into a Xelas station in fountain being a point of high contention for ASCN leadership at the time.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:28:00 -
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Very nice map. Very informative, specially showing the hidden vassals and the current movments. Only thing I still prefered on old map was the greater precision (that comes form not using hive structures).
Anyway.. congratulations.
If I may give a suggestion. You could put small marks on knows outpost locations. That would give even more depth of info on where tha advancements are directed.
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Virida
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:29:00 -
[32]
Nice, the old one starts to get kinda OUTDATED now, to be honest.
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Bural
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:31:00 -
[33]
very great map, its better than the old one
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RedSwarm One
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:32:00 -
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*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem ([email protected])
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RedSwarm One
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:34:00 -
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To anyone that has recommendations for changes:
Please list briefly the change you want to see, the area it effects, the specific systems/constellations if you can, and your justification for the change. Since we can't be all over the universe at once, if you say Alliance X is attacking Alliance Y or that Alliance Z is dead, we have to take your word for it. That's why we intend to update it often, so that even if people post somewhat inaccurate information, chances are the map will be changed back quickly to account for the truth of the matter
Also: anybody that wishes to edit the map and repost it in these threads is welcome to do so. This map is held by GoonSwarm as property and we allow everybody to modify it for their own purposes so long as it's in a constructive manner. We reserve the right to take your modifications and incorporate them into our new maps, of course.
Enjoy!
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Troubadour on 26/02/2007 15:33:47
it's misleading because in fountain, D2 aren't able to hold anything and aren't making any progress, perhaps the arrows should not be there or facing the other way. Also, Aftermath Alliance are doing far more consistent damage to D2 then Xelas in fountain, why no mention of them?
And in delve, AAA is doing nothing more then running big fleets through and then getting ganked, not really challenging any sov or anything. not much of a front if you ask me.
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The Knight
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:36:00 -
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Great map, I think I can almost see me on there!
I'd prefer this one gets stickied rather than the other one.
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:37:00 -
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I find it actually a bit more clear then the other map, because of the hyves structure you see the position of each alliance a bit beter, maybe tune the hyves a bit down so you could see the underlying systems a bit more.
On the otherhand who are you kiding, this is as much propaganda as every other post on this forum. SO I'm sorry too say but actually hope this one doesn't get a sticky. And I really don't think a up to date maps makes any difference, it's not like you are going to loose the station/system/region when it's not changed on the map within a week 
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: The Beatnuts on 26/02/2007 15:35:41
Originally by: Troubadour
And in delve, AAA is doing nothing more then running big fleets through and then getting ganked, not really challenging any sov or anything. not much of a front if you ask me.
lucky us, we don't.
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Jin Steele
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:41:00 -
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forgot schism, pure, eve animal control for 2 as well
Fatalix IS RECRUITING!
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:41:00 -
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Where is TRI on this map? We don't hold any space but our capital fleet in Querious was a important part of coalition force. We have also most of our forces at south and working closely with Iron. If it is political map we should be on it. If it is only a souvereignity map no point in making it because I can get it ingame.
I think you should mark BoB allies in different colors just like you did with coalition forces (again: this is political map not souvereignity map).
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:43:00 -
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Nice map, nice look.
However, your impartiality will immediately come under question. Your opponents are going to have a hard time believing that you will not use this for propaganda purposes.
Having said that Joshua is not impartial either, he is a BoB tennant. Yes he has been one of the best mapmakers EVE has had, but he is too close to one of the major powers.
I think it is possibly time for ISD to choose a new mapmaker... an impartial one.
Over time he will become biased too.. but that is the way of EVE.
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Christopher Multsanti
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 26/02/2007 15:41:49
Originally by: RedSwarm One
To anyone that has recommendations for changes:
Please list briefly the change you want to see, the area it effects, the specific systems/constellations if you can, and your justification for the change. Since we can't be all over the universe at once, if you say Alliance X is attacking Alliance Y or that Alliance Z is dead, we have to take your word for it. That's why we intend to update it often, so that even if people post somewhat inaccurate information, chances are the map will be changed back quickly to account for the truth of the matter
Also: anybody that wishes to edit the map and repost it in these threads is welcome to do so. This map is held by GoonSwarm as property and we allow everybody to modify it for their own purposes so long as it's in a constructive manner. We reserve the right to take your modifications and incorporate them into our new maps, of course.
Enjoy!
I made a modification in fountain, I wonder if you could incorporate into the next update please.
Thanks.
Clickeh!
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:45:00 -
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Nice Map :)
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Ty'derian
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 26/02/2007 15:33:47
it's misleading because in fountain, D2 aren't able to hold anything and aren't making any progress, perhaps the arrows should not be there or facing the other way. Also, Aftermath Alliance are doing far more consistent damage to D2 then Xelas in fountain, why no mention of them?
And in delve, AAA is doing nothing more then running big fleets through and then getting ganked, not really challenging any sov or anything. not much of a front if you ask me.
Exuro Mortis? is this the alliance with the stabbed commandships? lol...
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:50:00 -
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That map is teh sex!
Awesome job Stahl!
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: The Beatnuts on 26/02/2007 15:48:50
Originally by: Ty'derian
Exuro Mortis? is this the alliance with the stabbed commandships? lol...
Damn i didn't believe my corp mates when they told their sleipnirs had stabs and nanos!
God, I can feel the pain from here.
Nice map but you're in GS and that's your main problem at the moment :) ... unbiased you will not be... the real question is...
More or less than Josh?
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:52:00 -
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since when is Feyth a multi-factional warzone?
Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. |
thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: TheArchJudge
Edited by: TheArchJudge on 26/02/2007 15:07:49
Map looks sweet althou imo the honey hive theme hurts the eye if you stair at it for a long time 
/signed.
It's a map, it covers the info.. but please no honeycombs 
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FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:56:00 -
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Very nice work! Looks very accurate based on events in the south and the battle reports from the north/west.
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Marcusi
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:59:00 -
[51]
Look ma! I'm playing Battletech!
<3 the hex map.
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General Reaper
Gallente
THE EXECUTORS
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:05:00 -
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Loving that map. Keep up the good work, and make sure its updated :P Hehe.
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CreEDLom
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:07:00 -
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Hey this is a good map. Awesome job! 2 things . .
1 We now can get info from another source
2 Is it possible to make the honeycomb shapes just a bit smaller to give a higher resolution?
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Jebizael Hunter
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:09:00 -
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The arrows as a symbol seem a bad idea to me. They remind me of the opening credits to Dad's Army if anyone remembers that ^^.
Also makes it quite hard to show fighting impartially, since you have to show one side as 'winning'. Other than that, good work!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:11:00 -
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A suggestion.
Perhaps you could change the colors around to make for example Red and their allies various shades of Red, BoB and allies various shades of blue, and D2 and allies various shades of green with non-afiliated entities yellow or gray. That way even on a zoomed out level, its easier to distinguish the powerblocks.
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Diego Cali
Caldari
The Roots
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:14:00 -
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Nice front goonies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDr182CXeL0
Quote:
christianetic on YouTube
Once Remedial pays me my 600mil isk it will be released onto Eve-O for everyone. The main motivation behind the new political map is simply because we want to take away the only thing that****got, Joshua 4chan holds dear.
We want to tear down every aspect of the old order of EVE, We want to remove Bigotry, Racism and this "Old Boys Club" Attitude from the game, A new map is just one part of this cleansing.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:14:00 -
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Excellent map, and a much overdue balance to the alternative. It'll take time to build up a reserve of credibilitywith the community, of course, since you're one of the major combatants, but the lack of major arguments with it is a good sign. I'm also impressed by the adult attitude from the bulk of the posters from both sides: only a couple of let-downs there.
Nice work. And hexes are luvverley. I can delete the text and use it to fight Jena-Auerstadt when logged-off.
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Drakma
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jebizael Hunter
The arrows as a symbol seem a bad idea to me. They remind me of the opening credits to Dad's Army if anyone remembers that ^^.
Also makes it quite hard to show fighting impartially, since you have to show one side as 'winning'. Other than that, good work!
I'd have to agree. Front's are usually show as a rectangle if they have not moved. Or as a rectangle with an arrow showing which way the front has moved from last map update if they have moved.
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:15:00 -
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We actualy saw this time time ago
I almost like this map. I'm not 100% fan of the octagons, they seem... I dunno, too imposing.
Also, josh's map has WAY more info on it, you seem to have just scaled down the info.
Otherwise it's nice.
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Alizeee
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:35:00 -
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It's the same map only with hexagons and alot ot arrows. Is this a joke ?
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jebizael Hunter
Also makes it quite hard to show fighting impartially, since you have to show one side as 'winning'.
Winning? I see them as "attacking". You may attack someone and still lose the fight. It just marks aggressor.
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Jake Noble
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:40:00 -
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Actually a very nicely done map well done.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:40:00 -
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Nice map. Some suggestions/remarks though.
1) Turn down the intensity of the hexfield a little bit, it is a bit too bright.
2) Us different shades of the BoB colour for MC, FIX and Xelas.
3) For the frontline use rectangles with arrows inside indicating the direction of the recent change of the front. If no change use a slash inside the rectangle.
4) Mark the previous frontline in the upcomming maps so that it is easily visible how much and what changed from the last map to the current one.
5) Good job. Thanks for all the work!
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Jack Archer
Quantum Synergies
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alizeee
It's the same map only with hexagons and alot ot arrows. Is this a joke ?
What do you want this map to show, people pretty much live and fight in the same places on either map.
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Frothgar
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Archer
Originally by: Alizeee
It's the same map only with hexagons and alot ot arrows. Is this a joke ?
What do you want this map to show, people pretty much live and fight in the same places on either map.
Looks cool, and if its ACTUALLY UPDATED to reflect events (Current one is pewp for current events) then its <3
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:55:00 -
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A lot of people keep commenting on the impartiality or lack there of in Josh's map. The thing is that this map like his should be controlled by the parties invovled in the events shaping 0.0. get the mods to sticky this and limit the posts to allaince officals posting territorial claims and such.
Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.26 16:59:00 -
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Request for change:
You can remove the AAA invasion of MC space, after that first weekend, AAA hasn't made any attempts to attack MC in their home.
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Haizum
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour
Edited by: Troubadour on 26/02/2007 15:33:47
it's misleading because in fountain, D2 aren't able to hold anything and aren't making any progress, perhaps the arrows should not be there or facing the other way. Also, Aftermath Alliance are doing far more consistent damage to D2 then Xelas in fountain, why no mention of them?
And in delve, AAA is doing nothing more then running big fleets through and then getting ganked, not really challenging any sov or anything. not much of a front if you ask me.
As far as the arrows go, I'm not too sure on that whole issue. However thanks for the mention of Aftermath Alliance, we're liking the rich supply of targets and as of yet have managed to remain largely hidden in the war, generally grouped as the "Co" in BoB, MC, FIX, Xelas and "Co".
We'll fight for our home, but as far as mentions on maps go - he's put PANIC on there (our ticker, not immediately obvious), and on the whole, Xelas does hold more Sov than Aftermath but as it is such a fragmented region I feel to make an accurate label would take a lot of investigation and bickering.
We're happy that we get to fight a lot, D2 have been very interesting so far, and our killboard proves we fight just as hard as the next guy/alliance.
It's proving to be a very interesting war really when viewed both from a constellation/system by system basis as we see it and viewed from a larger perspective over regions and the galaxy, a new map might be just the thing to help eliminate existing bias, and forums are indeed the place for new opinions and views to come forth. It's a very nice looking map, perhaps yes a bit hard to read precisely, changes to hexagon size and opacity should help that. Well done on such a nice creation, I look forward to seeing how it progresses.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:03:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 26/02/2007 17:03:47
Originally by: Diego Cali
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The main motivation behind the new political map is simply because we want to take away the only thing that****got, Joshua 4chan holds dear.
Oh dear, the map is the only thing i hold dear? Now i feel like Dr. Phill material
Seems they still haven't gotten the pot kettle thing figured out yet, against racism yet quite happy to use****got as an insult. 
Originally by: TrippyX
Joshua has been slacking cause he doesn't wonna admit his favorite alliance BoB is losing. same happened during ASCN war when we were in period basis / fountain.
Technically they'd have to take a station/system sov for that. And yes, the same thing happened with ASCN, they didnt take any stations either. You also wouldn't believe the real the reason why the last update date was missed. 
Anyhows, the arrows are quite useful.
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Laythun
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:04:00 -
[70]
Wow. So much hate for just an alternative map...
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:06:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Helganstandt on 26/02/2007 17:02:30
I like this map better than the other one. I think it's a bit harder to see the individual constellations than Joshua's, but overall it just has a cooler feel to it.
I disagree with those that are saying the arrows are misleading, they actually give a better picture of what's going on. BoB and LV are defending their space. Regardless of what's happening on the battlefield, even if it's a stalemate, it shows who is the aggressors vs. the defenders. It even says "Regional Aggression" not "who's winning, who's losing, are they tied?"
So I humbly request that you keep those arrows as they are. If BoB and/or LV push the front line back and start invading their aggressor's space, then the arrows can be switched around. No need for rectangles or any other jargon that's just going to clutter up the map. This one is simple and to the point, and I like it that way
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fugazii
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:06:00 -
[72]
cruel intentions hold IPS in geminate, not ESA.
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:09:00 -
[73]
I honestly doubt that the old mapmaker isnt able to maintain a somewhat accurate map.
The only difference with this new map seems to be wh controls it - just yet a propaganda method?
In any case, cudos for the effort and gl with it :)
I guess, as everything atm seems to have to be black and white, one side will look at the old map and the other at the new map :I Maybe you should get together with Josh and do 1 official map? I mean why involve "that" in the war too?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:10:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
I honestly doubt that the old mapmaker isnt able to maintain a somewhat accurate map.
Being friends with Bob makes you biased by default.
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
I Maybe you should get together with Josh and do 1 official map?
Ill leave that up to certain Gs members to answer.
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:11:00 -
[75]
Nice map !
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:13:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 26/02/2007 17:09:59
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
I honestly doubt that the old mapmaker isnt able to maintain a somewhat accurate map.
Being friends with Bob makes you biased by default.
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
I Maybe you should get together with Josh and do 1 official map?
Ill leave that up to certain Gs members to answer.
Well i mean, maybe then you can update it even more, or do more pew pew in game and we wont have to check 2 maps (or one that may or may not be biased strongly in one factions direction* assuming both parties "bend" it to suit their view)
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:19:00 -
[77]
Nice map.
I give you 6/7 stars.
You win.
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Valeo Galaem
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:25:00 -
[78]
Might I recommend adding a graphic date stamp to the map as well. I keep an archive of all the EVE maps and have my own naming convention. If the file names get mucked up people would still like to know when the map is from.
Thar be Pirates
You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe
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Zeno Kang
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:25:00 -
[79]
That's a very nice map, indeed.
It reminds me of Star Fleet Battles.
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Not wanting to get wardec'd = n00b
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:29:00 -
[80]
New cell graphic is very cool.
Accuracy is very poor.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:33:00 -
[81]
Quote:
We want to tear down every aspect of the old order of EVE, We want to remove Bigotry, Racism and this "Old Boys Club" Attitude from the game, A new map is just one part of this cleansing.
The goons are a force of PC in space?
No matter who wins I think this song, older than most of our player base, sums it up nicely.
Quote:
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
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Black Torment
Caldari
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:34:00 -
[82]
The only thing I don't like about this map is everything is FAR too big. The text is too big, the hexagonal cells are huge, its an eve map for short sighted people! :D
Don't get me wrong its a great map, the arrows are a brilliant touch, but if you made it less big, bright and imposing itd be a lot easier to read.
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DamienV
Caldari
MetaForge
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:37:00 -
[83]
A grid system is an excellent way to go. This one however is very hard to see the stars. I know personally I try to learn to locate things by constellations and how the lines connect together. Here its almost impossible to do so by comparing in game to out of game.
I will be interested to see what happens after the war is over, if Goon will remain with good reporting on combat movements of all forces in the entire universe. Right now anyone who spends more then 5 minutes on the forums could figure out who is with who and who is attacking where.
No offence, but I believe goon is trying to "steal the spotlight" now that its easy to do so.
Do a continuing good job with this new map concept and I'd definitely be happy to see weekly or bi-weekly updates as you've promised.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:37:00 -
[84]
Originally by: The Beatnuts
Edited by: The Beatnuts on 26/02/2007 15:48:50
Originally by: Ty'derian
Exuro Mortis? is this the alliance with the stabbed commandships? lol...
Damn i didn't believe my corp mates when they told their sleipnirs had stabs and nanos!
God, I can feel the pain from here.
I seriously just fell out of my chair laughing at your utter idiocy. Coming from a group that we have been smacking the crap out of over the past few days and is totally reliant on nanosetups in small gangs, you really have no place to talk. By the way, you might want to update your killboard - you're down 67 losses for only 23 kills in the past six days. I DARE you to find proof of us using nano-fitted and stabbed Command ships, because you will find precisely zero.
I remember when AAA used to be good, before they had to make up fantasy claims to explain why they can't hold their own in small fights.
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Einheriar Glad
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:41:00 -
[85]
I like the real map better ... than this innovating political map which is both a functional tool and an informative addition, which contains as much relevant political information as can be transcribed onto a two dimensional map of New Eden by Goonswarm.
- Glad
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Urduar
UrdCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:42:00 -
[86]
Sweet looking map, a couple of suggestions if they're wanted though..
- The map looks more like a finished poster than an informational tool due to all of the color effects in it (the dramatic gradients, shadow effects on the hexagons and such). Maybe as others said, turning the opacity down a bit on all of that, leaving regions primarily their alliance's color with a somewhat subtle hexagon effect would let people see what's going on more clearly.
- The hexagon motif would be perfect to add a bit more information to the map, such as currently active systems and such. Basically, if a lot of fighting is going on in a system, have the hexagon be "lit up" (maybe white with a subtle yellow and orange glow around it). Hexagons that have changed soverignty since the last map could also be tinted darker. The end effect of this would be that instead of arrows, which could be argued as biased, it would look more like the frontline was a grassfire burning away an alliance's territory, with the burned (taken over) systems left in it's wake.
Overall, kudos for a great map though!
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Dregann
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:43:00 -
[87]
Nice map but i prefer Joshua's
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:47:00 -
[88]
I like the look of this map - however Joshua's map had much more detail about other things happening in the universe. It's not all about BoB vs the Coalition you know...
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 17:49:00 -
[89]
I like the map but would remove the arrows as they remind me too much of the start of the old sitcom Dad's Army and they also are a bit biased in that the attacker would always look to be winning.
Overall though very attractive and clear.
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Lin Dze
PsyCorp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:02:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Crellion
New cell graphic is very cool.
Accuracy is very poor.
You're just upset that he didn't give war credit to Cult of Gank in GW. Especially since when the fleet is there, the cows have gone home.
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Styfle Preface
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:08:00 -
[91]
A beautiful map, but I demand that you get rid of the hexagons and instead use the MC Escher "Sky and Water" lithograph.
Originally by: Hardin
I like the look of this map - however Joshua's map had much more detail about other things happening in the universe. It's not all about BoB vs the Coalition you know...
GS can only put the information that they have on the map - obviously that's largely going to relate to the coalition's activities. As was suggested earlier in the thread, if there's a conflict or anything else that you feel should be on there, post in the thread. This sort of thing really has to be a community effort in order to be accurately maintained.
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Aindrias
Amarr
Fomus-Amarr Industrial
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:09:00 -
[92]
It does say "GOonswarm Map", so maybe biased was built in, but I'm not judging. You may want to add the perma-war between CVA and UK given the fact that a shift there will change a lot for the South.. etc. I don't know the detail, but I'm sure someone is pushing somewhere there =-)
Aindrias
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Hermia
HIVE
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:15:00 -
[93]
Josh's work on "The Map" is duly appreciated by the community, however maybe the torch should be handed to someone else, again. This new incarnation would be an excellent candidate.
I do share Hardin's point that any map must have an adequate legend, filling an entire vertical column should be no problem. The format given as: 'political commentary' and respective 'map markers' should stay! From looking at this map it already takes this form but obviously needs to cover a greater scope to be taken seriously.
good work tho
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Sheriff Badden
Amarr
Legion Federation
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:17:00 -
[94]
oooh hexagony  
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:20:00 -
[95]
this is the goon map and it reflects whats important for goons current agenda.
dont compare it with josh as his has a much more universal aproach.
the maps should coexist as they fullfill different purposes
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:20:00 -
[96]
Nice clean format. I like it
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:21:00 -
[97]
Very good map indeed!
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lin Dze
Originally by: Crellion
New cell graphic is very cool.
Accuracy is very poor.
You're just upset that he didn't give war credit to Cult of Gank in GW. Especially since when the fleet is there, the cows have gone home.
Tissue ?
Anyway, I wonder, why there is a southern and northern coalition that is named as that, but the other side is named 'Band of Brothers', which includes LV, ISS etc.
Looks like you see LV and ISS as some vasalls of BoB. That's the goonfleet view, so the map lacks neutrality.
And well, RAGoon have claimed some of the new regions, but when I'm there I don't notice much of it.
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Ekon Bor
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:27:00 -
[99]
Nice map and I like the graphics but I'd have to say I prefer joshua's for clarity and actually being able to see the underlying systems.
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Laythun
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:28:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
I remember when AAA used to be good, before they had to make up fantasy claims to explain why they can't hold their own in small fights.
Thats a very sweeping statement there 'mate'
challenge is it?
on is it?
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Callistus
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:36:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You also wouldn't believe the real the reason why the last update date was missed.
zomg, did you get laid?
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:42:00 -
[102]
Quote:
christianethic (4 days ago)
Once Remedial pays me my 600mil isk it will be released onto Eve-O for everyone. The main motivation behind the new political map is simply because we want to take away the only thing that****got, Joshua 4chan holds dear.
We want to tear down every aspect of the old order of EVE, We want to remove Bigotry, Racism and this "Old Boys Club" Attitude from the game, A new map is just one part of this cleansing.
So how is this unbiased or a service to the community? Looks to me a bunch of pubbies from some internet forum trying to screw up another game they joined. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:47:00 -
[103]
/me likes. Only missing the "Chribba's Veldspar Empire" dot over the Amarr system
Keep up the good work!
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hardin
I like the look of this map - however Joshua's map had much more detail about other things happening in the universe. It's not all about BoB vs the Coalition you know...
QFT, its a brilliant looking map but its been created with tunnel vision
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:48:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Callistus
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You also wouldn't believe the real the reason why the last update date was missed.
zomg, did you get laid?
No technically i was face down on the floor sleeping that specific night. Or so i was told. Don't remember myself tbh.
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Taivek
Caldari
The Order of Chivalry
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:51:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Taivek on 26/02/2007 18:51:59
Good to see an updated map but those hexagons look bad and are hard to read.
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Nikolias
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:52:00 -
[107]
Only problem i have is i cant actually see the systems. =/ and have to assume whats where. maybe tone down the colours to more pale colours.
plus having a problem viewing with firefox
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velocoraptor
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:53:00 -
[108]
According to out K/B since 22/01/2007 (a bit more than a month ago) we have 1.299 kills over Curse alliance members and 241 losses. While 1.540 total kills may not be THAT much, I think it's a considerable number for the map to show SOMETHING there (north by north-east Great Wildlands).
An alliance losing 1.299 ships in a month, most around some 5-10 systems cannot seriously consider that a "non-issue". Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say "we pwn you" (I've taken little part in that war myself anyway, due to rl issues).
It's merely to show the map maker that there ARE fights taking place there. Also, it makes me (and rightfully so imho) doubt the credibility of the map as a whole. Of course if it was to be fixed.....
If you really want to make an unbiased map (an effort I personally applaud) you should try to talk with friends and enemies alike-maybe even more to enemies than friends
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.02.26 18:58:00 -
[109]
I am glad there is a new map, but please learn from what you disliked about the old one....
keep it unbiased, please, these things are a great little tool but become worthless when they are used as propaganda
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Nuvanito
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:03:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Nuvanito on 26/02/2007 19:00:40
Originally by: RedSwarm One
To anyone that has recommendations for changes:
Please list briefly the change you want to see, the area it effects, the specific systems/constellations if you can, and your justification for the change. Since we can't be all over the universe at once, if you say Alliance X is attacking Alliance Y or that Alliance Z is dead, we have to take your word for it. That's why we intend to update it often, so that even if people post somewhat inaccurate information, chances are the map will be changed back quickly to account for the truth of the matter
Also: anybody that wishes to edit the map and repost it in these threads is welcome to do so. This map is held by GoonSwarm as property and we allow everybody to modify it for their own purposes so long as it's in a constructive manner. We reserve the right to take your modifications and incorporate them into our new maps, of course.
Enjoy!
Just in case you guys saying the map is poor because it left your war out missed it. If you feel like you've been left out or something is inaccurate, either say so here or edit the map yourself and post it and it'll probably be incorporated into the next iteration.
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Zae'dra Xanthe
Fist of the Goat
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:11:00 -
[111]
I love it! I wish it was on it's own website though. I'd love to use Vista's active desktop to keep a constant look at the ever-change Eve territories.
No matter what, it's good to have choices in maps. 1 isn't going to work for everyone. Choice is good!
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:19:00 -
[112]
The trick to interpreting this, is probably put it next to Joshuas map, contrast and compare.
Lets be honest, theres no one neutral left in 0.0. The ISS have been functionally obliterated as a true neutral corp (for 0.0 purposes), the role play corps have role play biases (What ya mean [UNITY], the minmitar are in the fields not in spaceship!) , IAC have a terribly angry hangover, and, well yeah.
And actually I just dont believe in neutrality anyway. One thing studying journalism taught me was that balance is where you get one guys opinion and use it to hang another guys opinion with. Its a myth, because no-opinion, philosophically speaking, is still an opinion.
So, in light of that , get josh's map. Get Stahlregen's map. Contrast and compare. Where you see differences of interpretation (once stahlregen refines it a little bit with community input), you'll see the most interesting part of the game emerging;- the difference of opinion.
For analogy, when an astronomer is looking for commets. He'll take 2 identical photos of the sky at , say 1 hour intervals. Then he'll flip back and forward quickly between the two. If a star 'pulses' from there to not there. It means somethings changed. a comet!
Likewise, if you compare and contrast, chances are where theres a difference, you'll pick up an insight as to the values josh would bias towards as a friend of BOB and the values Stahl would bias as a goon. But instead of a comet, you'll see a territory dispute!
And thus the bias becomes the *tool* to reveal the truth!
Good work Stahl, and keep it up as well josh. Compare notes, keep your biases, and let the community use a bit of logic to work out where the truth is hiding.
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Ritchler
Gallente
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:27:00 -
[113]
Josh should sue that deisgn, much better than his tbfh
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:34:00 -
[114]
Originally by: The Beatnuts
Edited by: The Beatnuts on 26/02/2007 15:48:50
Originally by: Ty'derian
Exuro Mortis? is this the alliance with the stabbed commandships? lol...
Damn i didn't believe my corp mates when they told their sleipnirs had stabs and nanos!
God, I can feel the pain from here.
umm, LOL? don't be jealous and make up stuff just because you are getting spanked.
This map seriously is way way too broad.
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Lireil Crow
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Request for change:
You can remove the AAA invasion of MC space, after that first weekend, AAA hasn't made any attempts to attack MC in their home.
You never went to war with AAA havnt you? You lost your space already and you don't even know it. They are playing you like a 1 Isk *****... Lol come back in a few weeks and post if you still have any space left.
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:27:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Raid on 26/02/2007 20:23:58
A Bee Hive "Honey Comb" map made by a member of Oonswarm. The whole thing looks like a big advertisment for Oonswarm!
Putting that aside however, the map is very two dimensional in its look at eve. Theres almost no mention of anything going on other than a push on LV in the south east and a push on BoB/Xelas in the south West. What happened to the rest of eve?
Also, the map maker called LV/ISS "Band of Brothers". Thats probably there because the map maker doesnt know as much about the History of eve..
One last thing. The 7-K region is controlled by goonswarm? um LOL! 99% of Oonswam pilots are in Scalding pass or off fighting LV.
Conclusion, MUCH more bias than anything Josh has put out.
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PDoggy
Minmatar
Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:30:00 -
[117]
Personally, I feel that Josh's map is a little easier on the eyes, though I have a preference for the source of this one. I'll be watching both - my point here is that it's ALWAYS good to have an alternative. There isn't any harm in it and it gives people a choice.
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Flying DogbearRatcat
Cornerstone Unlimited
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:37:00 -
[118]
great map!, much better than the previous.
good work
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:37:00 -
[119]
Neat looking map, though not exactly functionally readable - and ESA doesn't hold anything in geminate anymore IIRC.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:47:00 -
[120]
Nice attempt, But Joshuas is still ftw. Maybe make the hexagons a bit smaller and everything a little less migraine inducing. Also, the arrows have a bit of a Dad's Army vibe.
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Schmobag
Southern Cross Incorporated
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 20:52:00 -
[121]
You may remove the regional aggression between Pure and Smash (Vale of the Silent and Geminate). You may also add Pure to the Northern Coalition forces fighting in Querious.
The IPS constellaion (in Geminate) now belongs to Cruel Intentions, not ESA (I believe that has been referenced in a previous post, apologies for redundancy if it has).
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Lin Dze
PsyCorp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:02:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Lin Dze on 26/02/2007 20:58:50
Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Lin Dze
Originally by: Crellion
New cell graphic is very cool.
Accuracy is very poor.
You're just upset that he didn't give war credit to Cult of Gank in GW. Especially since when the fleet is there, the cows have gone home.
Tissue ?
Anyway, I wonder, why there is a southern and northern coalition that is named as that, but the other side is named 'Band of Brothers', which includes LV, ISS etc.
Looks like you see LV and ISS as some vasalls of BoB. That's the goonfleet view, so the map lacks neutrality.
And well, RAGoon have claimed some of the new regions, but when I'm there I don't notice much of it.
No tissue needed, thanks. :) I'm with the fleet when I'm online. Which means there's no cows to tip... Cloakers hiding, everyone else running.
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Welfare State
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:07:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Raid
Edited by: Raid on 26/02/2007 20:23:58
Putting that aside however, the map is very two dimensional in its look at eve. Theres almost no mention of anything going on other than a push on LV in the south east and a push on BoB/Xelas in the south West. What happened to the rest of eve?
I don't know. I suggest posting exactly what's missing so it can be added to the map. That way we can improve it.
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V0rador
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: V0rador on 26/02/2007 21:13:03
A new point of view in the galaxy can't be wrong.
Stahlregen did a very nice job once again , that with the movies and the wallpapers , gratz man.
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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:22:00 -
[125]
I think it's awesome.
A lot of you guys are whining because it doesn't show the small regional conflicts. Well, without a thread like Joshua's where alliance diplos can post about what's happening, it's tough to keep track of such things. I'm sure that if you guys post specifics about some smaller regional conflicts, they will be incorporated into the new map within a few days.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:22:00 -
[126]
I don't know what you people are whining about. The Goonswarm creators have asked that if you have a suggestion you can post it and they will incorporate it. Having said that you've either missed that post or you're just trying to be a bitter antigoon.
Now in all fairness, you can't come out and say this map > that map. There are different advantages to them and each one fulfills their purpose. If Stahl and his pals are willing to incorporate new suggestions into their map then one day we may have only one map on these boards. But for now, lets sticky both and quit this fanboi bickering; each person can view whichever one they like best.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:40:00 -
[127]
Fix Geminate, and the hexagons hurt. I liked josh's translucent blocks better tbh and was a very nice format.
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Ben Derindar
KelBen Productions
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:41:00 -
[128]
Nice idea with the honeycomb look, though as others have said, it's a little overbearing. I'd definitely tone it down somehow.
I also agree with the sentiment that it focuses too much on the high-profile stuff. Try to bring in details of the smaller conflicts as they come to hand. However, unlike what has been said regarding the arrows, I rather like them. But then I never watched Dad's Army. 
One other suggestion: while most of the fonts used look pretty good, I'd change the font used for alliance names for something less... plain.
All in all though, not a bad effort.
/Ben
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Kal Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:42:00 -
[129]
I like both maps.
I give a pass to any slight or precieved bias in any map that gets maintained by others efforts. Both will be nice to have around for comparison.
I give a special thanks to Joshua though, as his map has been what I have relied upon since I can ever remember.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:42:00 -
[130]
well looks pretty cool but some comments
- Hexagons are way too dark, the point of the map is that it is a map. you gotta be able to see the constalations.
- Drop the obvoius propaganda. The missing blocks in lv space...
I'm sorry but both maps seem pretty similar in core content, while some sides may think josh's maop is slightly bob favoured other will think Gs is slightly RAGoon favoured.
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Gutsani
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.26 21:46:00 -
[131]
Idunno .. when i first opened the map, and it got rescaled for my widthscreen, i thought "stuff i cant read". I dont like the hexagons either. And the arrows.
I do however like the fact people do this kinda stuff, competition usually leads to better products. It needs work, but it can be a decent competitor for the alliance map.
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Altar Mei
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:04:00 -
[132]
I like Josh's design more but is it really that damn hard to update more often....
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
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redeyehunter
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:06:00 -
[133]
while I think this map is a good attempt, I still think the old ones are more meaningful.
I know you have posted that the old one is not update on a regular basis, but it is updated. Not sure if you will get bored of updating this map and then we end up with no map to look at. If you can fix some of the changes suggested and keep it up to date, then I your enemy pay my respect to you.
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JackOfHearts
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:06:00 -
[134]
cool map, I like the new features.
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Tharim
Crabbs
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:22:00 -
[135]
As someone who isnt involved in the war, i do like the idea of a more regular updated map. I also like the arrows and stuff. But joshuas map is more informative in many ways, and way better on my eyes. Id like to see you two work together. Joshuas map, with the new arrows, and a regular update would be sweet.
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Alex Under
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:27:00 -
[136]
Wow... very nice looking map. Love the hexagons... So how often can we expect this to be updated? and where can we find the location of the new map? |
Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:30:00 -
[137]
It should be setup like the original maps, each update a new link. Also mods need to give the map a sticky.
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:32:00 -
[138]
I lke Josh`s map better, even with the bias.
But this is a great first attempt! Make it more pleasing to the eye, and get back!
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:34:00 -
[139]
In my opinion the hexagons should be made more transparent. It's hard to see the actual star-systems the alliances hold.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:40:00 -
[140]
I tried to move around the map but my copy of eve didn't come with any 12 sided dice.
Like others have said tone down those hex... can't see the underlying star systems.
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XANTIOS
The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:41:00 -
[141]
Joshua's map is slow in coming during important conflicts. That is the only fault.
I seriously cannot stand the hexagons, hurt my eyes and cannot c the systems. Has tnt on it and that is good but seems biased to me. Including LV as part of BoB coalition is just one such example that is not a neutral opinion.
Btw before flaming, I am allied to coaltion forces.
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.26 22:42:00 -
[142]
Josh's is much easier on the eyes.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.26 23:10:00 -
[143]
I know the map would be unrecognizable from the ingaming map but I wonder if it would be possible to plot the Eveverse at 1 system hex.
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Anaximander Monk
Mandala Group
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Posted - 2007.02.26 23:12:00 -
[144]
I don't mind the beehive look exactly, but I think its a little strong, ie (if you're using photoshop) perhaps turn down the opacity of the behive graphic to like 25% and have it over the top of plain colour so that its just a sort of vague behive texture over colour. Right now the other map looks a lot nicer to me. This one seems to have more detailed showing of border lines, which is nice. And I like the marks indicating which way the wars are flowing.
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.26 23:38:00 -
[145]
To be honest I think that the hexagons take up unecessary space and are an eyesore. I prefer the smoother look of Joshua's map.
However this is a lot more accurate and I'll be linking this when corpmates ask for a political map =P
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.26 23:54:00 -
[146]
Very nice map. Love the design. It is much easier to read and gives a better idea of general situation. Frequent updates double the map value.
Arguments about this map being biased and used a propaganda tool really have no ground. One should always assume that everything is biased in EVE, and everything is a propaganda tool Use several sources and make up your own mind.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:01:00 -
[147]
you left a while region off, welldone.
On a side note, I sincerely hope you manage the work involved for an update once a week.
If you fail at least you will realise how hard the offical map makers job is.
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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:01:00 -
[148]
This alternativ map is pretty interesting tbh.
But I'd like to tell the peoples that are complaining about josh's impartiality (on page one and two) that this is not the subject of this post and to keep it off flame bait. (Also considering Josh's corp was an enemy of RA long before he moved to bob region, means he can keep a decent level of unbias, or have been biased for a very long time now, which I doubt is true, as he wouldn't be making the map anymore if so).
Josh's map is updated less often but is designed to show the important/lasting movements of wars/invasion/defence, and thus serve its purpose, there is not really any use to update the map, just to have it updated back to last state one week later (save oc for the concerned parties).
That it is not necessery, doesn't make it a bad thing though, but tbh the two maps contents looks very much alike, save for the bits where goons misname alliance or pick the wrong name (willingly or not), or for the graphics.
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Jade Herron
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:18:00 -
[149]
To be honest thought, in needs some cleaning up. its very.., messy.
But its always good having two maps, as one can look at both, and have an understanding from different views. Thus, there should be a third to put them both together..
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.27 00:48:00 -
[150]
Xelas, AXE, OSNAP, and PANIC are not involved in the defense of Querious in any way, shape, or form.
The defenders consist of:
BoB, FIX, GUN
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:22:00 -
[151]
I like the graphics although people are probably right the hexagons need to be faded a bit I sort of like the appearance. But it also seems like he just copied the old map (only way he could think ESA is still in Geminate) and added more detail where he thought he had more current knowledge, and left some detail out in other places. So it would remain to be seen if this were the only map how well he would do on his own. Also you should either shade the allies based on power block or make them all different colors, not color the BoB block the same but not the northern or southern blocks.
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Adeptus mecanicus
The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:30:00 -
[152]
nice map and the hexagons remind me of the good old days when SSG was on top
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Sebo Darrens
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:32:00 -
[153]
I'm all for more maps and from all perspectives
but that map hurts the eyes - can you get someone with artistic experience to work on it?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:37:00 -
[154]
That looks quite sexy. If you can keep it up to date and keep it unbiased, you're on to a winner there.
Its always nice having multiple maps available. It means that you can keep each other in check- if one map changes to match a current event (territory change) the other can't very well omit it.
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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:38:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Sebo Darrens
can you get someone with artistic experience to work on it?
obviously you have not seen stahlregens eve vids
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:57:00 -
[156]
Edited by: hotgirl933 on 27/02/2007 01:54:18
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VBboy
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.27 01:58:00 -
[157]
Very nice design!
Good work on making it impartial as well, long may it stay that way.
I'm sure keeping that up-to-date is not easy but competition to the eve map is always a good thing!
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furlock
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.27 02:00:00 -
[158]
imho i think this map is better.
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Narilka Iezu
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Posted - 2007.02.27 04:13:00 -
[159]
Plot the stars on top of the colors instead of behind and you can see the systems much better.
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 04:20:00 -
[160]
TBH I prefer the old one. Though it doesn't get updated enough. And has some innacuracies. I think the whole 'looks cool' effect of this one has been a more important design factor than functionality.
If you want a 'battlefront' map, this is probably the most accurate though. It's just too granular to give an accurate indication of territorial control.
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Vile rat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.27 05:30:00 -
[161]
Thanks for the constructive input guys!
This map is designed to be as impartial as possible and we will work hard to make sure it is maintained in such a manner. We are going to take all artistic input seriously and try to make the map as easy to read and useful as can be done.
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Anaximander Monk
Mandala Group
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Posted - 2007.02.27 05:49:00 -
[162]
I think another idea would be to make the hexes smaller, they are a bit chunky right now. Thats how I'd do it anyway.. This is just my artistic pickyness.
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CHAOS100
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.27 06:19:00 -
[163]
I really like the look of this map. However as others said, it is not good for covering every war in eve thus it this is only a good map for large scale conflicts like the current one.
PS: lol at exuro mortis... worse smacking alliance I've seen in a while.
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Razor Jaxx
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 07:23:00 -
[164]
So, ah, if I move over green hexes I get +5 movement points, right? Or is that blue?
Nice map, though, but as was suggested (1) maybe tone down the hex display a bit and (2) you're not any less partial than Joshua, which somewhat defeats part of your original purpose. However, a faster update frequency is clearly a plus if you can keep up with it. Good luck.
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Kalahn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.27 08:07:00 -
[165]
As has been previously stated, this map will be updated on a regular basis, and this is not limited to just in game movements, this also means we will try to improve how the map looks, features, even a few technical functions which have not been tried yet.
Id like to thank everyone for their feedback thus far (both positive and negative), and encourage people to continue giving their opinion.
Further, as previously stated, we will endeavour to keep this map as impartial and as accurate as possible. For those calling bias, if there is any it is not intentional and again, if you feel that there is some misrepresentation on the map please post your thoughts so we can, if necessary, fix/modify/etc the problem.
And for those who've been saying they've seen this map before, yes, it was in Stalh's latest eve video which was released earlier this month.
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Rancid Beef
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:01:00 -
[166]
This is a very nice map, I dig it.
It would be bit nicer for accuracy if you put in the alliance's who live in BoB space and are allied to Mr. BoB.
But other than that very nice, and thanks for putting in the work to make it.
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:26:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Menf on 27/02/2007 09:22:17
I really like the style of the map.
and i have alot of respect for people who take care of such project with all the endless work to do.
but do yourself and the map a favour and get people from the "other" side into your team so the map allways represent both sides of view.
otherwise the map wont be accepted and is a waste of time.
in every bigger ally there are people who support such projects. just ask them in a really neutral offer to work with you on this map.
good luck. keep up the good work.
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Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:51:00 -
[168]
GL with the map project. Imho the most important thingie is the frequent updates. I don't care so much about slight bias and **** like that. The map is not the end of the world. But frequent updates to show stuff is happening is an absolute must imho, that's what makes it a fun feature and a community resource and that's where Josh has failed abit imho, he seems to think it's a boring but high profile job he is not putting 100% into. Or maybe I just underestimate the work it takes to keep it updated.
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Krystian
Caldari
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:52:00 -
[169]
It is a nice map. Right to the point of what the anti-bob forces are up too. May not be 100% accurate but gives me a better mental picture of what is going on (besides numerous rambling forum posts and word of mouth). The hexagon is cool looking too. Tho I get the honeycomb pun. Giving Josh a little competition hehe.
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Athelas Loraiel
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.27 09:53:00 -
[170]
reat work, prey continue.
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Biotide
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 10:22:00 -
[171]
i support this new map :)
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Kaia Kua
Macabre Votum
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:15:00 -
[172]
Very good map,
just two things though,
ESA dont own any space anymore thats owned my CI last i checked.
And if the hexagons where half the size you could add more detail to the bigger picture.
as a sidenote i think help from diplomats of alliances in major conflicts would benefit all, by them approaching you or vice versa.
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M3ta
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:22:00 -
[173]
Interesting.
It just needs a spellcheck on the legend, so it stops looking as if a teenager wrote it. :) Apart from that, i like it.
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:26:00 -
[174]
Map looks nice, but since your from goons will the map remain unbiased, Joshs map is good but some of the regions are full of ****, for example Venal on both maps is claimed by d2, yet its a NPC REGION!!! Come on lads 0.0 or not its owned by Gurista Pirates. But agian the map looks very sleek.
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DonJuan deMatos
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:34:00 -
[175]
Originally by: R0ot
Map looks nice, but since your from goons will the map remain unbiased, Joshs map is good but some of the regions are full of ****, for example Venal on both maps is claimed by d2, yet its a NPC REGION!!! Come on lads 0.0 or not its owned by Gurista Pirates. But agian the map looks very sleek.
your home in fountain is npc region too. but its bob claimed on both maps
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morhinee
Gallente
S.W.A.T Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.27 14:12:00 -
[176]
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.27 14:16:00 -
[177]
Originally by: DonJuan deMatos
Originally by: R0ot
Map looks nice, but since your from goons will the map remain unbiased, Joshs map is good but some of the regions are full of ****, for example Venal on both maps is claimed by d2, yet its a NPC REGION!!! Come on lads 0.0 or not its owned by Gurista Pirates. But agian the map looks very sleek.
your home in fountain is npc region too. but its bob claimed on both maps
No, look at your map m80, there are a few systems in Fountain (core) that have serpentis sov, but ALL the systems in Venal are Gurista Pirates 
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Smalum
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.27 16:38:00 -
[178]
excellent map, good work Stahlregen and the rest of GS!
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shuckstar
Gallente
Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.02.27 17:13:00 -
[179]
Nice map will be using this in future aslong as its kept upto date as you say it will
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.27 17:16:00 -
[180]
ESA is no more, and has nothing to do with Geminate.
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OpticonBiatch
Gallente
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.02.27 17:20:00 -
[181]
dude KOS is taking space and moving on LV space plz add
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Nhoj Sllew
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.27 17:27:00 -
[182]
Yeah fix Geminate and i'll be happy
1.Put Smash in the right spot.
2.Move all the Pure out of Geminate
3.Remove the aggression arrow
4.Use your ingame map to accurately display the territory of RK.
5.Change ESA to Cruel Intentions
6 Maybe use smaller hexes. Just a suggestion.
nice work though!
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Doomed Predator
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.27 17:41:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Doomed Predator on 27/02/2007 17:40:46
Looks nice. You can figure out who controls what a lot faster than on the old map( no disrespect)
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Steve Nash
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Posted - 2007.02.28 07:29:00 -
[184]
Sticky this map please, there is no reason not to have multiple viewpoints.
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Valgren
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.28 08:21:00 -
[185]
Good map, it's replaced the other one as my desktop wallpaper.
Yes, i'm an Eve nerd. Deal with it.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
mega mining corporation
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.28 14:55:00 -
[186]
Looks good enough, maybe smaller hexes. Having 2 maps from totally dissociated factions is good.
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Kael Zeratul
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:29:00 -
[187]
Yes, good map i like the Hexs
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:35:00 -
[188]
Good map :)
Maybe highlight hex with outpost?
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Xplained
The Edge Foundation
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:38:00 -
[189]
Very nice map goons :)
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The Knight
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:43:00 -
[190]
You know, the hexagon idea is growing on me more and more each day except that maybe if they were just slightly smaller and more translucent, it would give the viewer a better idea of the exact star system and the map would be even more detailed than it already is since you could actually see where some major battles are taking place on a regional level.
I wish CCP would show more of an interest in this type of information, especially since the data is already available to them through the ingame map statistics menu, which shows all kinds of relevant info like: pilots in space, ships killed, jump gate activation, and pods killed.
I would really dig having this available off-line to khow things are progressing when I'm unable to log on and trying to kill Bob pets.
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Kelron Neesna
Diligent Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.28 16:47:00 -
[191]
Map looks ok, but there are a couple problems I have with it.
- The Hexagons are very hard on the eyes. Perhaps make them diamonds instead, and make them smaller and more opaque, so that they are more easy on the eyes.
- You have the same color for many alliances you have marked on the map. (i.e. -A- + RAWR + KATET, TNT + PURE., FOF + TCF, CVF + RA, FREGE + YouWhat)
- There are blank spots all over Feythabolis, Omist, + Detorid, but no explanation why.
- The War Fronts are not correct.
- Many of the conflicts NOT related to the Great War are completely forgotten.
- Many alliances that currently claim soveriegnty in the new regions are left out, as well as some of Guardian Legion's latest claimed space.
- Joshua's map has a small, easy to read summary of conflicts. Your's is big, bulky, takes up WAY too much space, and is hard to read because of the bright background and red text. (Did you know that 65% of the male population is colorblind to the color red? Perhaps you should pick a different color combo.)
It was a good decent effort, but Joshua's map shows more information, is easier to read, and everyone isn't lumped all together. The map is 1) biased, 2) inaccurate, and 3) too difficult to easily understand.
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.28 16:52:00 -
[192]
looks goood
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Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:25:00 -
[193]
Awesome map , alot better then the other one , keep up the good work
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.28 17:57:00 -
[194]
nice map better than the other one
btw u missed out RISE  ...... we are FEYTHABOLIS
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Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.28 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Enthes goldhart
nice map better than the other one
btw u missed out RISE ...... we are FEYTHABOLIS
wouldnt that be "you are bob slaves" ?
and tbh joshua's map has always been edited in favour of bob very fast and very reluctantly and slow when it wasnt in bob's interest.
so a map that is not maintaned by pro bob persons is just a good thing for the eve community considering the scandals surrounding cheating lately.
perhaps people can now actually look on the map and see a more accurate and not bob skewed view on the eve political state.
Originally by: "darth solo"
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 00:33:00 -
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Quite an accurate picture of the war going on.
About the part I know (new regions) it seems to be pretty accurate.
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Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:11:00 -
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Mail the mods to get this stickied.
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Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:39:00 -
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The Hexagons are a nice touch.
The font is kinda on the ugly side though and I think the arrow markers are either too large or maybe there are too many of them. Also why are there all sorts of black empty hexagons all over detorid, tenerifis, omist and feyth?
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Baline Aegis
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:42:00 -
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Nice to have a "no BoB aligned map". Please stick it.
(and make a "low rez map" that my 1280x1024 holoscreen can handle)
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Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 02:23:00 -
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I think it's an interesting additional contribution to the concept. I'll still be using the other one as it shows more detail but this one seems like it'd be easier to get a rough overview of the situation for someone who doesn't follow alliance conflicts (or is new to EVE). The 'low resolution' provided by the hex grid tends to gloss over some stuff as well.
While we're on the topic of new approaches: Has anyone made a credible attempt at a Flash (or Java applet) that live-renders at different levels of detail and be zoomed and configured to show various information?
Google maps for EVE, perhaps.
I know it'd be quite project, but there have already been some amazing projects devoted to EVE.
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Kalahn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.01 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lake
I think it's an interesting additional contribution to the concept. I'll still be using the other one as it shows more detail but this one seems like it'd be easier to get a rough overview of the situation for someone who doesn't follow alliance conflicts (or is new to EVE). The 'low resolution' provided by the hex grid tends to gloss over some stuff as well.
While we're on the topic of new approaches: Has anyone made a credible attempt at a Flash (or Java applet) that live-renders at different levels of detail and be zoomed and configured to show various information?
Google maps for EVE, perhaps.
I know it'd be quite project, but there have already been some amazing projects devoted to EVE.
As previously mentioned, we will be attempting (or rather stahl will :)) to implement various new innovations which have not been tried in maps (that i've seen anyway) yet.
This map is our first, and since we are not omnipotent, there will be naturally a thing or two missing, please bear with us on that.
Also if any mods are reading this thread or whatever id like to reaffirm my reqest for this thread to be stickied like the other map thread.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.01 04:01:00 -
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sweet map mate, hope you keep it up to date and such.
Was half expecting it to all be covered in with "GS/D2/coalition" owning everything, least its seeming accurate enough (i actually dont follow the war that closely, I just know BoB will overcome all and win ;))
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Posted - 2007.03.01 05:14:00 -
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The hexes can be made more subtle and clean but do not lose them. They give the map a singular style that is cool. Please sticky this map mods. I salute both mapmakers, but having 2 options will serve to make both less biased over time. Competition will breed accuracy.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.01 07:20:00 -
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Thats one sexy map.
Reminds me of the 80s gameshow Blockbuster featuring the mighty Bob Holness.
Its great being Amarr, and having 27 charisma, isn't it?
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Oli4Oli4
Viper Squad
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.01 09:18:00 -
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Love this map
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Obijameskenobi
Caldari
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.01 16:27:00 -
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nice one
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Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.01 19:19:00 -
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Good map guys, better than the other (biased) map.
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Xori Ruscuv
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.01 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
good idea as the old one was so much in bobs pocket.
Cool, now we have a map that is in the other guy's pocket. ^_^
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Noumena
the Organ Grinder and Company
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.01 21:49:00 -
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nice looking map.
although, when constellation sov comes into play, it may be wise to change from hexagons to constellations.
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Kalahn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.02 07:13:00 -
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Now updated with the PSD file
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Baline Aegis
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.02 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Baline Aegis on 02/03/2007 08:25:14
PSD link : "The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."
Zip file : OK
Still not a 1024x768 or so version ?
(good job :))
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Xeno Xandovar
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 09:50:00 -
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Very nice map! Sticky material?
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:07:00 -
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Arrows indicate aggression guys, not who's winning. That's what those blank hexagons are.
Thought it was pretty obvious that it meant the resident alliance was losing control.
Downloading Zip so I can play around with it a bit, make those aesthetic changes people have been asking for.
Can't correct any glaring mistakes, as it's DT and ingame map doesn't work so well during DT
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Stahlregen on 02/03/2007 11:19:43
Sup dudes ^_______________^
What a totally amazing map, Well done goons!
I'd kill to be able to make something that cool!
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 02/03/2007 11:23:38
Dump the hexagons or at least make them very small (unless they're meant to represent constellations?). Could make the colours a bit more cohesive too.
Should incorporate some kind of dot for station locations? Shrink the size of the font and just use something blocky and futuristic not the current goth/vampire one.
Make it clear what the arrows mean, it's obvious to me but to anyone facing the arrows it obviously means their impending doom. Try and find out how exactly the assaults are going....
If any attacks have been halted and some kind of stalemate ensues put a horizontal bar in front of the attacking arrow( |<-- ). If the attack is working and space is being taken perhaps ( <<---- ). If the attack has been repelled and the tables turned then obviously just turn the arrows around. Obviously as the attacking force moves forward you could change the colour of the cells. Most importantly get both parties play on events but always refer to map sovereignty/ask people who has sovereignty.
I'm not saying this is a "great way to do it!", just an idea.
Good that you've finally recognised who actually holds the space and given them their dues.
It's ok atm and I think after a few revisions it'll end up looking alot prettier and with actually displaying sovereignty it'll be pretty accurate. Joshuas map looks great but it'd be better if it reported actual sovereignty and perhaps station locations.
Remember you're never going to satisfy everyone and no matter how much crap you take, take it on the chin and listen to everyones opinions. It's the only way you're ever going to get close to impartiality in this game.
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Dawson
Caldari
British Space Corporation
D-L
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dawson on 02/03/2007 11:28:42
Edited by: Dawson on 02/03/2007 11:28:19
I'm suprised no ones done this in Flash or something like that.
Could even do it dynamicly, alliance diplomats of each alliance log in state there claim. Each alliance diplomat then has a vote on weather they agree etc, winning party gets there update on the systems they claim.
Alternativly they could make a claim, then the map mapper has the final go ahead on weather update is made.
would have to find a way to export the map data. Infact i'm sure someoen did it once in a 3rd party program. Convert that to php or something.
php/flash, i'm sure it could be done.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:50:00 -
[217]
hmmmm.....
How can it be that you have stated in the map that Curse Alliance is holding GW??...
Last i checked they don't have souverenity in any region... And us in CoW and others keeps knocking their socks off in every battle.. including the 23 billion worth freighter *loL*...
So better to set GW as contested space instead of just making CA the owners, now that they are your allies.... (almost throwing up by that thought)
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
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MeanMachineDK
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Posted - 2007.03.02 11:50:00 -
[218]
hmmmm.....
How can it be that you have stated in the map that Curse Alliance is holding GW??...
Last i checked they don't have souverenity in any region... And us in CoW and others keeps knocking their socks off in every battle.. including the 23 billion worth freighter *loL*...
So better to set GW as contested space instead of just making CA the owners, now that they are your allies.... (almost throwing up by that thought)
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 12:58:00 -
[219]
Easy to read version added (see my previous post)
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Tako Alvarez
Gallente
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tako Alvarez on 02/03/2007 13:12:24
Kudos to Goons and especially to Stahlregen,
I like the map for its being a bit different. What I like is the addition of aggressors and where they moving to through the arrows. And with the vissible underlying systems added it even got better.
I like Josh¦s map as well and afterall I like it much more to have a choice between 2 maps then just 1.
Unbiased maps are hard to maintain to all sorts of reasons, lack of info and missunderstandings and so on and so forth.
But I assume and believe that both map makers are trying their best to get the info out to all us players which are not right in the middle of action. For that you have my greatest respect and appreciation.
regards
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.02 13:34:00 -
[221]
side note * with every change u do to the map dont forget to take a pic before its changed, that way in x amount of months u can string them all together for a nice animation of all panned out ... yarghhh
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Marcus Quo
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:16:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Map, now with visibility!
I gotta say, I really like this version of it.
Kudos to the Goons for making the map, I really like the new ideas in it, and having it update more often will certainly be nice.
Oh yeah, and SMASH and PURE are no longer fighting, may want to remove that agression arrow in Geminate. Feel free to look at the posts in Joshua's map thread for confirmation.
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Abye
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:43:00 -
[223]
I recompressed the psd file with 7zip out of curiosity, was down to 24 MB (if you bother about the massive traffic )
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semp
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:13:00 -
[224]
Nice map, although a little too colour by numbers for me. Ideal for your average goon pilot though im sure.
But as always, its what isn't on this map that makes me smile. Looking at it, you would think the goonies were safe in their own homes
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Map, now with visibility!
Much better version imo. Good job on the map. I feel this map offers a better overview of the situation when zoomed out. I preffered josh's old map before the resolution change.
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Quincy TawHarr
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Posted - 2007.03.04 17:12:00 -
[226]
Very nice, regardless of the accuracy I love the use of a hex grid as your borders.
Nice and familiar, and slightly easier to follow than the other major map. Which is probably slightly more precise than yours due to the loss of hexes.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.04 20:06:00 -
[227]
Which thread is the default one for this ... this one or the other one?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:10:00 -
[228]
When's the next update scheduled?
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zaltock
Caldari
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:33:00 -
[229]
make this a sticky and get rid of the other one
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Kalralahr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:37:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Kalralahr on 05/03/2007 20:33:54
New thread is at http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=485203 with updates every 72 hours.
Next update is big. Every major power - and some smaller ones - has sieged at least one system over the weekend.
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