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Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:57:00 - [31] I can agree for a role back. ---
Lord Guerdo	Posted - 2003.12.17 11:59:00 - [32] Quote: 1. You shut the server off each week day during my peak time. Very disheartening. 2. Due to whats required to kill things I need a group of friends/corp. I am now forced to join a corp and then ask those players to wait up unit 1am their time to help me kill things. Thats a bit absurd for me to demand such a thing from the US players. These arent problems with Castor, These are your problems not CCP's. And no one is demanding anything from you. Typical...... Lord Guerdo Biomass Cartel Warning... the universe just got teeth and a pair of cast iron balls to match!!!!! I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ).
White Tiger	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:04:00 - [33] I only hate the sec rating hit and the resulting agent screw up. I worked for three months to get those standings and in an instant they are gone. Yet a pirate with a -9.4 rating instantly get a benefit from it. I get "punished" and he is "rewarded"...A little screwed up if you ask me... Other than that I love this patch. All those people rushing out to 0.0 are coming back minus a ship; A lot of them are grievers...Who ever said there wasn't justice in the Universe? White Tiger Founding Member and CEO of Tactical Advisory Group "The Only Easy Day was Yesterday."
Ariell Lucinwind	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:06:00 - [34] Quote: These arent problems with Castor, These are your problems not CCP's. And no one is demanding anything from you. Typical...... I was going to give you a tool award but you just take out the whole toolshed. 1. Does my PC turn the servers off? CCP have stated that they will try to minimise this but sadly I am still waiting for them to get around it. 2. Without a middle ground I am really being forced to either shoot fish in a barrel <yawn> or join a corp that has a lot of people online. The later is not to likely. But since CCP is looking into a possible middle ground, and I to have started to notice some things about these spawns, it may be possible to enjoy EVE with myabe just a little bit of tweaking. Now please go and run along and pester some one else. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P
Neamess	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:06:00 - [35] I like many features of the new patch, however the way the agent system is going, the tech2 market is gonna be killed off before its had chance to develope. Research skills and Blueprints are dropping on mass, which while good for those that can currently do the agent missions its leaves the rest of us out in the cold. I personally cant see the point in continuing along the agent missions route if by the time the system is fixed the market has already been flooded with skills/prints. We have been told we would still be able to use any agents we could use before the patch regardless of faction. This is not happening, if something is not done about it soon, we will have missed the boat and wasted many hours.
Lidza	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:10:00 - [36] I didnt have much time to see all the new features.... but... I HATE THE WAY THAT TECH 2 ARE IMPLEMENTED for 2 main reasons. 1st - I dont like to play alone, for me doing missions is like playing alone and to play alone I'd prefer other games that don't need internet neither a montly fee. 2nd - Bring back the corporation independency for BP aquisition. Corporations that do research and production cannot be dependant from members and their wishes. I suppost that CCP doesn't buy everything from their emploees, right! If so, why you have changed from one thing that more or lesse worked ok? This game wasn't real but was getting there, now with the LVL2 only in missions... its a pity, and a shame... its just other game with twisted reality where in fact you could do better than just a twiested idea. :( So far I'm unhappy just with this new feature of LVL2 only in missions as lotery... I'm sorry but I've to say....WHAT A STUPID IDEA :(
Keenon	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:12:00 - [37] I vote on a role back =============================================== Help keep carebear population under control!!!! POD U LATER
Ch'ryl	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Ch'ryl on 17/12/2003 12:14:24 stupid double post Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure?
Samsson	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:13:00 - [39] Not happy at all with the mining nerfs in empire space. 1.Mining lasers now drain cap at a rediculous rate. 2.NPC demand for common minerals tri and Pye has all but dried up. 3. If a corp has the 4 main cruiser BPs and a few battleship BPs then mining in empire space benefits them tremendously as they dont have to rely on the NPC market to convert minerals to Isk but the small to medium corporations are now totally in big trouble , since they cant convert minerals to isk from NPC demand = they probably will never be able to get expensive BPs I.E. battleship BPs. 4. The large corps now have a huge advantage over midsize corps and small corps. See post3 5. I hope CCP rethinks this mining nerf and NPC demand for minerals as all it hurts are new players and intermediate players = Hurting CCPs overall player base
Kerry	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:18:00 - [40] Quote: I don't like the changes at all. You have effectively nerfed travelling in a game that DEPENDS on travelling. And I have voted with my dollar. Account expires on Jan 5. I just don't have the ten minutes for each jump gate or any time I want to dock...
Max Doppler	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:20:00 - [41] They have deleted my post. My original was: I don't like the changes at all. You have effectively nerfed travelling in a game that DEPENDS on travelling. Quit messages get deleted, its our forum policy. We encourage constructive discussions so please continue with that. Thank you -Eris Discordia "He who fights monsters must see to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you."
Bottle	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:26:00 - [42] I've felt that the patch puts a real challenge into EVE, there was no risk before spawning 5 even 10 NPC's now at least there is pressure. And as far as loosing ships or not able to afford the costs and not being a poweruser (i play for about 10 hours a week) myself and my corp of only 6 have lived in 0.0 space for a long time now. We've lost and earnt plenty. If people are upset becuase they have become to relaxed with the simplicity of the game so far then remember not to think your invunrable.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:27:00 - [43] Quote: I didnt have much time to see all the new features.... but... I HATE THE WAY THAT TECH 2 ARE IMPLEMENTED for 2 main reasons. 1st - I dont like to play alone, for me doing missions is like playing alone and to play alone I'd prefer other games that don't need internet neither a montly fee. 2nd - Bring back the corporation independency for BP aquisition. Corporations that do research and production cannot be dependant from members and their wishes. I suppost that CCP doesn't buy everything from their emploees, right! If so, why you have changed from one thing that more or lesse worked ok? This game wasn't real but was getting there, now with the LVL2 only in missions... its a pity, and a shame... its just other game with twisted reality where in fact you could do better than just a twiested idea. :( So far I'm unhappy just with this new feature of LVL2 only in missions as lotery... I'm sorry but I've to say....WHAT A STUPID IDEA :( then dont do the agent missions and let other players do the so calld alome boring stuff and get the bps no ones forcing you.. but for me its liek this i do what ever it takes to bring the corp up to a good lvl against other corps and if that meens doing againt missions for 1 year then so be it.. so stop doing them please so i can have a bigger chans of getting the bps I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Kram Calama	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:28:00 - [44] All that CCP has done is taken away your safety blanket and upset your cute cuddly world I felt the same and started to focus on the negatives (NPC's too hard, travel too slow etc) but then I saw a lot more positives to this patch. We need to evolve with the game but then again if it isn't your thing anymore kthxbye Station camping, ship jamming, forum spamming, milk drinking, deep thinking, gooner loving, goat hugging, pirate killer............AVE IT LARGE!!!!
Kamara T'lak	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:42:00 - [45] Oveur, I understand that you are making changes, but a change like this really hurts,I do not wish to play, tried after losinf My BS, but just could not do it, had spent the past 3 months saving for it. I even went out in a group because there was a warning. I got on just as Castor was starting, wish I didnt even turn on the game. I am in venal, and I got two partners to go with me and look at a belt. Picked the 50 Km range as suggested, and warped into a hive of 12 to 16 ships of all types, since I was the first in all of then seemed to lock on me, and there was a wall of missles, I died before I even could turn. Another partner went down seconds later the third warped out at 29% hull these were all BS's and every one had 3.5 mil skills with good combat numbers. I am not saying that Castor is all bad, I liked almost all of the changes. But If this spawn frequency was wrong how do you not roll it back and say to everyone - hey fixed some small things and now you know what we are putting out there. I now understand why people stopped playing after losing a BS to a crash. BTW you have to have the isk for good insurance - 25 mil was 1/3 my ships price. I had to work hard for months to get the 80 mil for the ship I could not afford the premium blend. :( Would like to see a responce from you I edited out some personal remarks, and its is not allowed to discuss petitions on the forums.
Aaron Meyers	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:46:00 - [46] So entire empire is now safe from player pirates except in the asteroid belts in <= 0.4? Another great thing is that I'm currently docked at one of our offices that pre-patch was 0.4, and now is 0.5, oh joy. :) How is a cruiser pirate supposed to make a living now?
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:49:00 - [47] Quote: I had to work hard for months to get the 80 mil for the ship I could not afford the premium blend. :( Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. I've only just got a BS myself, and I've been here a long time. I just didn't bother getting one, unless I could afford to properly equip it, and insure it. And any ship you get, expect to lose it at one point or another. .
Bunson BuRnEr	Posted - 2003.12.17 12:56:00 - [48] Please CCP The nerf on BS Mwd is good, but the Cap useage is so bleep up, NPC do i need to say anything? DEADLY :D, So after this patch there is¦t anything to do if you dont have 20 budies next to you. Roll back and fix the stuff! Thank god that there are other games to play when CCP gets "creative" I hope you guys can fix this game Soon. edited out the n0rty languege - Eris Discordia
LordXL	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:11:00 - [49] NPC are evil ! WAY TO MANY!
IIVY	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:14:00 - [50] the only thing i don't like is the huge MWD nerf i think it was to much my BS went from 1300m/s to 230m/s i was expecting it to be nerffed in half like say...hmmm 400m/s ----------------------------------------------- Proud Member Of TPOD Alliance Director and Queen of TPOD Corp TPOD ALLIANCE is Recruiting......click here for more info.
IIVY	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:16:00 - [51] Quote: NPC are evil ! WAY TO MANY! haven't tryed those yet but i don/t think i want toneither ----------------------------------------------- Proud Member Of TPOD Alliance Director and Queen of TPOD Corp TPOD ALLIANCE is Recruiting......click here for more info.
Leitari	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:17:00 - [52] Yes, as DM said, dont use anything you cannot afford to loose. Im quite happy with this patch besides that Sentry guns in 0.1 - 0.4 space are forcing us to move entirely to 0.0, there arent that many places with traffic that are "profitable" for a pirate to operate in. Pirating isnt meant to be easy but c'mon, its not meant to be impossible as well is it? I thought that this issue was going to be addressed but appearantly not. Patch rating on the scale 1 - 10 : 5 atm I hope we will see some changes made in the next coming days. Here, Only the silent survive.
Tek Na'Shakk	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:24:00 - [53] Quote: Yes, as DM said, dont use anything you cannot afford to loose. Im quite happy with this patch besides that Sentry guns in 0.1 - 0.4 space are forcing us to move entirely to 0.0, there arent that many places with traffic that are "profitable" for a pirate to operate in. Pirating isnt meant to be easy but c'mon, its not meant to be impossible as well is it? I thought that this issue was going to be addressed but appearantly not. Patch rating on the scale 1 - 10 : 5 atm I hope we will see some changes made in the next coming days. Yes, the only problem are the sentry guns. Even when they are removed a player can easily travel the 10km back to gate and jump. But it gives us a chance of taking him out or demand a fee for a safe passage. Now their is simply no room for pirates in EVE.
Oveur	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:33:00 - [54] Quote: But If this spawn frequency was wrong how do you not roll it back and say to everyone - hey fixed some small things and now you know what we are putting out there. The spawn frequency or the difficulty is not wrong, it's the distribution of the pirates. There are to many "very very very diffucult" systems as opposed to "very very" and "very" and just plain difficult systems. I'm very sorry for your loss, I've been there myself (yes, I do play the game), but there will not be a rollback because of the powerful NPC's. And on a personal note, I only fly ships I can afford to loose, Armas and Scorpions. They are easily insurable and are pretty "cheap". We scouted out the "plain difficult" systems and are doing quite fine. Lost some bs's, sure, but it was ****loads of fun, we were insured and the bounty/loot more than compensated for the trouble. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Purvy	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:33:00 - [55] i for one do not really like this patch so far, for one if you thought mega. was hard to come by before then wait another week or so when your paying 30k a piece. sure there is alot of good roids out there, but with 16 npc's guarding and another 20 spawning on top of you then it may not be possible to even get any serious amounts of it. but i guess time will tell, maybe after alittle more play then ppl can figure out how to deal with the new npc's but in the short term its going to hurt. As far as BP's only being released through agents i think this is a awful idea, it brings back memories of earth and beyond where the only way to level was to do the job terminal missions. talk about slow and boring for the most part. i'm not really fond of the new travel speed or the jump system but its still workable just no more long trips for me. i don't really have much feelings towards the new refining or building skills as i've never really done much of either but should provide more specialized players instead of everybody being able to do everything and may help the market, that is if the ore can be gotten to build with.
toaster	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:36:00 - [56] I certainly don't 'hate' this patch. Actually I love it. My only criticisms are 2. 1) Game almost forces players into large corps or alliances (in order to mine bist and arknor/ kill BS NPCs). 2) NPC BSs are riduculous from what I've heard (no personal experience cause I"m too scared now). At a 150k bounty and BSs that are far superior to player BSs, it is nowhere near worth it to hunt large npcs...you would need a fleet of BSs to do so (see #1). otherwise, I love the patch...nice work CCP. :) ------------------------------------------------
Oveur	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:38:00 - [57] Quote: Yes, the only problem are the sentry guns. Even when they are removed a player can easily travel the 10km back to gate and jump. But it gives us a chance of taking him out or demand a fee for a safe passage. Now their is simply no room for pirates in EVE. I'll have Game Design take a look at it. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:44:00 - [58] I don't like the thought of having to travel 30 jumps back to empire just to mine low end ore. Production in 0.0 will effectively cease to exist if the uber god NPC's don't get sorted. If the NPC thing is a bug, then I vote for a rollback to give everyone the ships they lost back. The NPC's have MWD's, you can't even pick a sensible range to fight them at. The risk isn't worth it, especially with the fact that mining megacyte is going to be a joke, and noone will want to do it, so battleships are going to become rare. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:50:00 - [59] Minor ***: On the Info for MWD, the mass rating... er... was it REALLY necessary writing it out? My eyes are bleeding from checking over 100000000000000000000 and going "7 zeroes? no, six? rats...." drones has a cute lil' m3 on it now, there's really no reason not to simply list 1 mn, 10 mn, 100 mn. PLEASE!!!! Less minor ***: I have a cruiser. I have only a cruiser. I have no frigates. I have no battleships. All my MWD have become either frigate or battleship MWD. Oh come ON..... on the plus side, anyone wanna buy a battleship-class Quad Lif? You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2003.12.17 13:50:00 - [60] Hmm.. very very very difficult NPC spawns in some belts, Hmm, go ahead and keep those, but lower the insurance premiums or even set it up like a RL insurance company. I dunno, either way we will have to adapt to these changes, and after awhile we WILL change our playstyles to match the gameplay the patch demands.

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