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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:56:46 -
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Huang Mo wrote:How about you keep IGB until CREST can provide the same features ? One thing is that ALT-TABBING in and out of the game hurts immersion, but it's quite another thing to remove features that people rely on - like the Contracts interface Some handwaving that it will be dealt with "in the future" is not enough. We know how that plays out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5127183#post5127183 two years ago and nothing happened
Funny you should say that:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=485359&find=unread
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
915
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:59:55 -
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Alexhandr Shkarov wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:o7 Good bye IGB. One of my favourite tools from the IGB was that I could link fittings directly from our doctrine page. Would there be a way that we can do something similar with CREST by giving them the option to download all fittings within the corporate/alliance doctrines. Right now I can simply put them into an HTML page within the auth, but after this it'll be really frustrating to import fits as new member (or after an update).
You can use CREST to push fittings up to your account on Eve. I already do that from pyfa, so yes, it's possible to take a fitting from an outside app and push it to Eve without copying and pasting.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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MyLoudVoice
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:02:35 -
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Sigh. Yet another bad decission.
Does anyone there even remember why you put it in in the first place? I doubt someone said 'hey. we have too many people. let's make something completely irrelevant'.
That in-game browser is an integral part of the Eve experience. Even if you reduce its functionality. Once again something sacrificed by short sighted management that prefer to **** away money in things like Dust. A browser is just not sexy enough I suppose.
Management should start to consider that Eve is not exactly growing at a big rate. Making stuff less 'easy' and pissing off people is not really a growth strategy.
What is more enjoyable then mining while reading up on another part of Eve in a full screen setting? Whatever new solution someone chooses, it will break the emergence and be less comfortable. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
916
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:07:45 -
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Brian Harrelstein wrote:worst idea ever
You obviously weren't around for Greed is Good.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
916
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:09:28 -
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Pavlakakos wrote:Total nerfing of gatecamp fleets..... Why join them when porn links and gifs can no more be appreciated?
Forget gate camping. What about mining fleets? Those poor bastards will be begging CODE to come by and alleviate the boredom.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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bucegi
Imperial Dreams
0
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:13:10 -
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Another one bites to dust, I don't trust you anymore dear dev's. After each change I log in to see what changed for the worse first then see the improvements. To me it feels like CCP is going one step forward and two steps backwards. I honestly think EvE would be better in other hands. The good/sad thing is that EvE it's like an addiction to me and many others and that's what keeps ccp going no matter how many wrong decisions they make. But for how long?
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Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:16:24 -
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@CCP FoxFour
How would one use the 'open specific contract' or 'Opening the market details for a specific item type' endpoint? |
Cleanse Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
2
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:18:44 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Cleanse Sin'led wrote:This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...
So sad. 1. this was announced years ago that the IGB will die. but of course people wait until the last moment to look for alternatives 2. thank god the gif spam might get reduced by that.
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Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
4
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:20:18 -
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Elenahina wrote:Brian Harrelstein wrote:worst idea ever You obviously weren't around for Greed is Good.
Well, SKINS and aparel are there anyway. It would be great if they were reasonably accessible, but they only perform a visual function which is not as such a big deal, however, the in-game browser serves a great variety of practical functions. |
Angry Arnst
W.O.R.M-S.W.A.R.M Spartan Republic
2
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:20:28 -
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I Don't know who calling shots at ole CCP but Your not making game better. You have taken a lot of core basics of game and throw out window. Example skill injectors wtf can I get my cpl years of money back so can buy into what want? it was a real time strategy I mean I don't like long trains either but people do them now in 2 days can be cap pilot fooking ridiculous. I also liked old Camera view, why did not make option to use like did new map etc. is beyond me. What you deem as upgrades are not seen bye all players it be nice have options. I for one have a lot skills trained long time in and now half are obsolete cause you think it betters game. So how do we get back money time spent for nothing now??? next towers gonna be gone I would hope you keep them as cheaper option or there goes a lot time spent on skills and researching fuel block bpo's and such also down the drain. Put a Damper on it if want change something every week make another game keep original eve way was minus the glitches and extorted game mechanics. now browser gone too. I predict Eve be gone under 4 years now way ruin it keep up Good work Killing game and loosing older players cause of it |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4362
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:21:12 -
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Blacksmoke16 wrote:@CCP FoxFour
How would one use the 'open specific contract' or 'Opening the market details for a specific item type' endpoint?
Send a post request to: https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/characters/[character_id]/ui/openwindow/marketdetails/ Body of it should look like:
{ "type": { "href": "https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/inventory/types/0/", "id": 586 } }
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
48
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:23:02 -
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I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away. |
Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc Band of Boogers
113
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:23:45 -
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That's how to do it imo. As a member of the CSM, can you push for a similar focus group regarding the removal of the IGB ?
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4364
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:26:03 -
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Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away.
This food sucks.
VS
Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :)
Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours?
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:26:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Blacksmoke16 wrote:@CCP FoxFour
How would one use the 'open specific contract' or 'Opening the market details for a specific item type' endpoint? Send a post request to: https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/characters/[character_id]/ui/openwindow/marketdetails/ Body of it should look like: { "type": { "href": "https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/inventory/types/0/", "id": 586 } }
Thanks! |
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:26:46 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Caldranna wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:
Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay?
CCP, you wrote that "To be clear CCP does not officially endorse or support overlays and therefor does not guarantee that they work or don't cause unexpected problems with the EVE Online client." How are we supposed to use something that you do not really support? Is it really that hard to keep the In Game Browser with its basic functionality that has been used for many years? Leaving it as it is would be a risk and we want to ensure our users are as safe as possible.
Could you please elaborate on those risks? |
Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc Band of Boogers
113
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:33:55 -
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Have you considered going in the opposite direction and create a fully integrated browser ? With multiple windows running state of the art javascript providing integration through CREST ?
If integrated into menus, people could load web based plugins for sites like EVE Central, RF Freight, Evepraisal, DScan, etc. It would be the extension mechanism people have been asking for, yet it would be tightly controlled through what was doable through CREST
It would be awesome ! Think about it |
Kaltag the Chinook
Kaltag and Co.
0
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:35:20 -
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https://youtu.be/F_XaIuw6K6Q?t=7 |
Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
13
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:35:24 -
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Caldranna wrote: Could you please elaborate on those risks?
Software dev for a mid-sized company, here (not related to CCP in the slightest, though). My guess is... with the IGB being an old version of Chrome it was open to a lot of security flaws, and trying to update and maintain it was costing more time than it was worth. As CREST implementations become more robust, they can take over for the IGB.
One of the biggest issues with something like an integrated browser is that a user might decide to file suit if they receive malware through it due to unpatched security holes, causing them to lose money, identity, etc. Even if the suit gets tossed out, it's time and money down the drain for the defendant.
In my own experience, there are a lot of features that our clients would love to have available that are simply too much effort to properly maintain. The worst come from users who don't have a clue about what it's like to develop software, make a "small" request, then get upset when it doesn't get implemented due to it being a huge problem to plan out, create, test, iterate, push, and maintain.
With something as public-facing as a browser, you have to be very security-conscious with it, as new exploits are popping up on a daily basis. Hell, they're popping up on an hourly and minute-by-minute basis. Maintaining the IGB properly would probably require a dedicated team working full-time. |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2550
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:36:33 -
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Take #2:
Fiddled a bit around:
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game when you access it. Which is absolutely unacceptable. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works. Evolve apparently does not really work with EVE. It recognized EVE in the library, tells me I can use the overlay, but nothing happens when I press the overlay key combo even after multiple client/launcher restarts. Overlay is not listed in the EVE Online entry in the gamesdb.xml file and even after manually adding the entry to the file, pressing the overlay hotkey does not show it. Overwolf so far seems the only overlay that is barely usable, although it has no bookmarks which is quite important to me because I regularly visit certain sites and do not really want to type each url every single time I need to use that page.
And overall, I need to do more clicks and more keyboard strokes to access the overlays in the first place in all instances.
Any other suggestions? Or does someone care to try to explain how to get evolve or overwolf working properly (properly == retaining the functionality of the IGB)?
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Unelias
Interstellar Newcomers Inc. Home Front Coalition
2
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:41:37 -
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NO!NONONONONO! |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4365
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:49:10 -
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Hey everyone,
Thanks for the great conversation so far. Going to head home and watch the new GoT episode. I will be back later. :)
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Brain Gehirn
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:03:32 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Take #2:
Fiddled a bit around:
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game when you access it. Which is absolutely unacceptable. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works. Evolve apparently does not really work with EVE. It recognized EVE in the library, tells me I can use the overlay, but nothing happens when I press the overlay key combo even after multiple client/launcher restarts. Overlay is not listed in the EVE Online entry in the gamesdb.xml file and even after manually adding the entry to the file, pressing the overlay hotkey does not show it. Overwolf so far seems the only overlay that is barely usable, although it has no bookmarks which is quite important to me because I regularly visit certain sites and do not really want to type each url every single time I need to use that page.
And overall, I need to do more clicks and more keyboard strokes to access the overlays in the first place in all instances.
Any other suggestions? Or does someone care to try to explain how to get evolve or overwolf working properly (properly == retaining the functionality of the IGB)?
My suggestion: Get over it and use your normal browser. IGB was a thing to help not a thing for you to stop living if it goes away.
As a developer this is just great news. No more outdated UI's and no more headaches with outdated libraries. |
Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
50
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:08:23 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away. This food sucks. VS Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :) Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours?
No reason to be this passive-aggesive, my feedback was frank not out of malice, but to save you time reading through it while getting my point across.
I use (amongst other things) IGB to check KOS status of neutral pilots in nullsec, to view items on the market and their trends (via 3rd party, can't name it now, I'm away from home) and to view my alliance's forums. The biggest advantage of the IGB is that it stays withing the game client, so I can use the IGB while being able to play EVE and not needing to tab out or obscure the game's interface in other ways. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
378
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:19:26 -
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Angry Arnst wrote:I Don't know who calling shots at ole CCP but Your not making game better. You have taken a lot of core basics of game and throw out window. Example skill injectors wtf can I get my cpl years of money back so can buy into what want? it was a real time strategy I mean I don't like long trains either but people do them now in 2 days can be cap pilot fooking ridiculous. I also liked old Camera view, why did not make option to use like did new map etc. is beyond me. What you deem as upgrades are not seen bye all players it be nice have options. I for one have a lot skills trained long time in and now half are obsolete cause you think it betters game. So how do we get back money time spent for nothing now??? next towers gonna be gone I would hope you keep them as cheaper option or there goes a lot time spent on skills and researching fuel block bpo's and such also down the drain. Put a Damper on it if want change something every week make another game keep original eve way was minus the glitches and extorted game mechanics. now browser gone too. I predict Eve be gone under 4 years now way ruin it keep up Good work Killing game and loosing older players cause of it
lol i agree it seems like seagull still is allowing the devs to pick and choose what they want to work on. we still have cloaky camping we still have a broken bounty system we still have a broken war dec system and we still have the stargate debacle plus other issues with citadel structures soon to come.. (just wait for winter lolz)
with all that said it was obvious they went after and killed the clawless puppy.. the IGB.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2550
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:36:27 -
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Brain Gehirn wrote:My suggestion: Get over it and use your normal browser. IGB was a thing to help not a thing for you to stop living if it goes away. I suggest you take your nick name a bit more serious and use the second part of it more. Using an OOGB is not exactly a great option because it requires me to either use window mode, which is a lot more performance hungry than full screen, or requires me to alt-tab out of the game constantly to check thing, which means I cannot check things ingame and run the risk of not getting info necessary to survive in Null (like neutrals entering my system). Furthermore, I use market sites for EVE every day and sometimes hundreds of times to check prices and determine where to buy things. Doing this with alt-tabbing is excruciating and with window mode not really convenient either because my OOGB is not placed like the IGB and moving these windows around just to compensate for laziness sounds like a great option.
Using the IGB is in fact a thing that keeps me living in EVE, as ironic as it may sound.
I also do not see at all how the IGB is a burden for any developer. As a developer, you do not need to develop your app for the IGB, you can already develop standalone apps with CREST that do not rely on the IGB. If you develop for the IGB regardless, it's entirely your fault. Now go back to Saranen and do something useful.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:53:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D
Except that it doesn't actually work most of the time while IGB tracking does. If CREST would actually work reliably instead of on paper it would be less bad that IGB is going away.
But even then it's going to be bad unless there is a way to link to in game fittings and similar that is very convenient with IGB right now. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
153
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:53:44 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Brain Gehirn wrote:My suggestion: Get over it and use your normal browser. IGB was a thing to help not a thing for you to stop living if it goes away. I suggest you take your nick name a bit more serious and use the second part of it more. Using an OOGB is not exactly a great option because it requires me to either use window mode, which is a lot more performance hungry than full screen, or requires me to alt-tab out of the game constantly to check thing, which means I cannot check things ingame and run the risk of not getting info necessary to survive in Null (like neutrals entering my system). Furthermore, I use market sites for EVE every day and sometimes hundreds of times to check prices and determine where to buy things. Doing this with alt-tabbing is excruciating and with window mode not really convenient either because my OOGB is not placed like the IGB and moving these windows around just to compensate for laziness sounds like a great option. Using the IGB is in fact a thing that keeps me living in EVE, as ironic as it may sound. I also do not see at all how the IGB is a burden for any developer. As a developer, you do not need to develop your app for the IGB, you can already develop standalone apps with CREST that do not rely on the IGB. If you develop for the IGB regardless, it's entirely your fault. Now go back to Saranen and do something useful.
maybe it was bad that all that information was available ingame in first place. |
Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:58:07 -
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@CCP FoxFour
2 things:
href: 'https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/inventory/types/0/' - should the 0 be the typeID you want, or should it actually be 0?
Also my post request keeps returning this error when using the body format in your post. Is there a specific header i need to include?
POST https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/characters/2047918291/ui/openwindow/marketdetails/ 415 (UNSUPPORTED MEDIA TYPE) |
Feodor Mihailovici
Mare Anguis
2
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:00:21 -
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I haven't had the patience to search through the forum for this particular issue, so I am writing it below:
If you remove IGB you are practically kicking in the nuts all the serious Incursion-running communities (see WTM's WL Manager site which is being used by hundreds of people daily). That thing has a login token and notification system possible only through the IGB.
Another thing important to me and probably to other traders, my "view market details" is actually "open IGB" , bc my homepage is set to eve-central.com and I am able to check the real price of any item (while having a separate tab opened with the incursion waitlist).
You say you want to make our experience better ... then don't remove an old but valuable tool from the game. I am not even getting into breaking the immersion by having to use overlays or alt-tab, this is also an issue, but smaller than the above. |
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