I've been on the sidelines for this, but you can be very sure that this choice was a huge decision made after lots of discussion and follow-up prep work over multiple years among members of a number of teams as well as Eve Development leadership. The team is still working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog.

"Working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog" which to me is removing the browser from the client seems like a lot of work indeed.

While I wasn't part of the discussion, and haven't seen the code, I _highly_ suspect the schedule is more giving people a chance to adjust, than to give CCP time to make the change.


Edit: The internal discussion, that is. The plan to remove the IGB has been well known in the Third party development community, for a few years now. It's been held off on, as some functions for sites weren't available. They are now. I've yet to meet a third party dev who isn't happy they won't need to support the IGB for much longer. Total PITA to work with.

If what you're saying is true then 3rd party devs care about as much about EVE players in this case as do CCP. I hope you're only speaking for yourself, though. Which bothers me as I always thought keeping as much functionality In-game should be everyone's goal.

Ahem. You know that 3rd party devs (in almost all situations) make no money from providing services, and instead are forking out what can be a reasonable sum each month? Which means they're paying for you to use their services. And you say they don't care about Eve players?



We also tend to be reasonable people, who've been talking to CCP for a fair time about this. This isn't a spur of the moment decision on CCP's part. It's been in the offing for _years_. Would it be nice to keep having an in game browser? Yes. Is the current one suitable, nope. Would it take a bunch of resources CCP could better spend elsewhere? Yes.

That's the cost/benefit argument.

Ahem. You know that 3rd party devs (in almost all situations) make no money from providing services, and instead are forking out what can be a reasonable sum each month? Which means they're paying for you to use their services. And you say they don't care about Eve players?



We also tend to be reasonable people, who've been talking to CCP for a fair time about this. This isn't a spur of the moment decision on CCP's part. It's been in the offing for _years_. Would it be nice to keep having an in game browser? Yes. Is the current one suitable, nope. Would it take a bunch of resources CCP could better spend elsewhere? Yes.

That's the cost/benefit argument.

The problem with the argument "But they're spending time on [insert thing here]", is that not all code is equal. People have specialities. Integrating a new version of the browser is a very different code requirement, than putting in, say, docking animations.

People _keep_ missing that.

People of all specialities are paid by same money. CCP should fire those who cant make something really usefull with their specialities and hire those whos specialities are needed for years

Ahem. You know that 3rd party devs (in almost all situations) make no money from providing services, and instead are forking out what can be a reasonable sum each month? Which means they're paying for you to use their services. And you say they don't care about Eve players?



We also tend to be reasonable people, who've been talking to CCP for a fair time about this. This isn't a spur of the moment decision on CCP's part. It's been in the offing for _years_. Would it be nice to keep having an in game browser? Yes. Is the current one suitable, nope. Would it take a bunch of resources CCP could better spend elsewhere? Yes.

That's the cost/benefit argument.

The problem with the argument "But they're spending time on [insert thing here]", is that not all code is equal. People have specialities. Integrating a new version of the browser is a very different code requirement, than putting in, say, docking animations.

People _keep_ missing that.

TL;DR the above, I've replied to the dev post already once, I'd stil like to know if CCP still didn't put this terrible idea on ice. I still wonder how hard it could be to get chromium put into the game, the code is already developed, getting security and bugfix updates is outside of the game devs responsibility, the chromium project guys take care of that, a ton of other normal game developers managed without any hassle about high development costs and all those other excuses of CCP.

I've yet to meet a third party dev who isn't happy they won't need to support the IGB for much longer. Total PITA to work with.

However, bear in mind that it has to be embedded into the 3d engine that Eve uses. (Which is custom. So no, it's not as simple as they make out)

It's not a one off task though. Because you have to redo it each time they have a new release (unless you want to get into the situation we're in right now. which they don't want. Hence the removal)

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Edit: The internal discussion, that is. The plan to remove the IGB has been well known in the Third party development community, for a few years now. It's been held off on, as some functions for sites weren't available. They are now. I've yet to meet a third party dev who isn't happy they won't need to support the IGB for much longer. Total PITA to work with.

Hmmmm

Trading tools such as Everuns have some very useful IGB features, among those:

- show market details of an item in game from out of game application

- expanding on the above: preparing lists of orders (e.g. all, outbid, finished, filtered in some custom way, etc.) which can be displayed in IGB tab and where such tab have button(s) to call market detail window with single click. This is eons more flexible and fast (not mentioning FPC) than mindless double clicking on wallet's orders.

How / do you plan to retain this kind of functionality ?

They don't. The only response from devs has been either:

A: Alt-Tab - Inappropriate and inconvenient, I should be able to access the tools required for the game IN the game.

CCP is in trouble. This sounds like company streamlining to reduce costs. Seen alongside the new free to play accounts, I worry for my EVE.