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Jessika Lee
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2016.06.28 23:53:18 -
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Cismet wrote:You're mistaken if you think that CCP ever actually developed the browser. It's a variant on Chromium, the development comes in wrapping it into Eve, they didn't develop the browser. If they had actually developed it from scratch then it's removal would be even more baffling due to the time they'd have thrown into doing so.
What they really need is some work on making it much easier to apply any security patches/updates to flash or shockwave/silverlight or whatever else is required. If you think for a moment that CCP developed that browser from scratch and the attendant technologies that went with then, you are sadly mistaken. That's what's so disappointing about this decision. In this case it is enough to change the browser Chromium on something is simpler development of that stopped 5 years ago or so it. |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
115
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Posted - 2016.06.29 05:48:32 -
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Jessika Lee wrote:[quote=bucegi] third - data transfer from external services through a browser into the game (feats, interface settings, standings, etc);
fourth - in the future we would like to see in-game option (via context menu) to export data into the currently active IGB window through a standardized set of variables (character / star system name, fully qualified (region-constellation-system-orbit-satellite) object coordinates, etc);
fifth - the specification of IGB supported standards and features.
All the other bells and whistles can be safely removed - IGB is an expansion tool for data storage / processing, not a full-featured browser. Third will be, IMHO, covered by Crest. Fourth would be nice to have but IMHO overkill because the side can get these infos through CREST when it has the name. The irony is, that CCP implemented a tool that allows thrid party tools easy access to EVE's datas but removes the option to see it ingame. It's like changing the gearbox for higher performance but removing the gear lever at the same time. Whats the use of a shiny CREST if you can't access the sides using it?
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
492
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Posted - 2016.06.29 17:20:51 -
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Removal of the IGB will probably lead to the same consequence as the Removal of the < 24 skill training que
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
492
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Posted - 2016.06.29 17:31:55 -
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bucegi wrote:I am baffled. How is it possible for CCP to find resources and allocate the time for such an useless thing like the docking animation,but it is absolutely impossible to find resources to keep the IGB going..............................
You have to ask the CEO that imho, ultimately CCP Hellmar is responsible for gaining or losing Customers
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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Syri Taneka
Un4seen Development Sev3rance
138
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Posted - 2016.06.29 18:27:36 -
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Would it be possible to have the Necom button launch the system default browser the way links will from now on?
Maybe even as a shell process inside the client so we don't have to deal with Alt+Tab BS on single monitor setups? |
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
401
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Posted - 2016.06.29 18:47:38 -
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Speared wrote:So I'm wasting my Hours for PLEX on this as my subscriptions are cancelled.
The point of this post isn't too keep the IGB at all costs though, but to keep the important functionality it offers NRDS pilots from within the game.
Being an NRDS solo pvp whiner I jump into a 0.0 system full of neuts. In order to check for hostiles without the In-Game Browser functionality I would have to: - Copy local to clipboard - Alt+Tab to the external browser - Paste the results into KOS checker - Find out that only one of the characters was checked - Alt+Tab back to game - Copy one name - Alt+Tab back to the browser - Type/Paste the name - Check which entity is KOS (character, corp, or alliance) - Copy the name of the entity - Alt+Tab back to game - Paste the entity name in some input field - Link the entity so I can set standings - Click on the created link in order to set the standing - Copy another neut's name into clipboard - Alt+Tab back to the KOS checker - Paste the pilot name into the KOS checker - Check if the pilot is KOS and which entity exactly - and so it goes for each neutral character in the system... - ...
The current IGB offers the following: - Copy local - Paste into KOS checker without having to Alt+Tab - Click on each red entity to call the show info window - Set standings on the fly - Hunt them down
So to sum it up: In-Game Browser functionality in game = NRDS PVP FUN. versus No In-Game Broswer functionality in game = lots of Alt+Tabbing in order to identify who the enemy is and their numbers. Should there be no enemies the whole thing would have to be repeated for every system you jump into meaning lots of administrative Alt+Tab BULL in NRDS while being Safed-up or Ship Spinning in station instead of the pvp. NO THANK YOU CCP. SUBSCRIPTIONS CANCELLED.
If you have a clipboard monitor that is loading stuff in an app that is connected with crest this is still doable;
- Misclicks; just recopy all, monitor update (see pirate little helper) - Crest sets standings (see dev blogs), so, when you copy something, set standing on the fly in app, commit and its in your eve standings too. - KOS listings can be distributed in the APP, just like on the website.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Daniel Neyiami
Let's annoy'em
0
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Posted - 2016.06.29 22:52:56 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:
If you have a clipboard monitor that is loading stuff in an app that is connected with crest this is still doable;
- Misclicks; just recopy all, monitor update (see pirate little helper) - Crest sets standings (see dev blogs), so, when you copy something, set standing on the fly in app, commit and its in your eve standings too. - KOS listings can be distributed in the APP, just like on the website.
So I'm wasting another of my accounts Hours for PLEX.
CCP decided to remove the In-Game Browser for security reasons.
Are those monitors you mentioned free of security risks or would I have to write my own monitor to be somewhat sure of its safety? If you see my point, why would CCP as a gaming company even require their players to use non-supported 3rd party apps in order to make the most of their game?
You wrote that KOS listings can be distributed. "Can" as there is a possibilty of it but it's not included at this very moment, correct?
But let's say I was going to use a few accounts simultaneously. Would I have to change the used API key in the monitor each time I was using a different account to set my standings? Thus far I did not have to mess with my API key to set my standings for each individual account, as the In-Game Browser was an inherent part of every client...
Also, could you please list those dev blogs that concern setting standings? Perhaps, just perhaps, I'll look into it and write my own monitor in order to be able to play what used to be my favorite game for almost 9 years... |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
15
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Posted - 2016.06.30 00:05:15 -
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Projecting as a reasonable customer now; I understand why you removed the ingame browser, albeit it leaves me flabberghasted how you failed to implement something that has been long sought after, and long demanded to balance it;
I don't care for an ingame-browser, if I can get a CREST-interface. I want the inhouse, ingame tool that access the inhouse, ingame database. For that, I would completely be fine with no web-application going from inside of eve to the outside. I would even sacrifice the aforementioned image-viewer webshell. |
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
401
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Posted - 2016.06.30 03:38:20 -
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Daniel Neyiami wrote:TheSmokingHertog wrote:
If you have a clipboard monitor that is loading stuff in an app that is connected with crest this is still doable;
- Misclicks; just recopy all, monitor update (see pirate little helper) - Crest sets standings (see dev blogs), so, when you copy something, set standing on the fly in app, commit and its in your eve standings too. - KOS listings can be distributed in the APP, just like on the website.
So I'm wasting another of my accounts Hours for PLEX. CCP decided to remove the In-Game Browser for security reasons. Are those monitors you mentioned free of security risks or would I have to write my own monitor to be somewhat sure of its safety? If you see my point, why would CCP as a gaming company even require their players to use non-supported 3rd party apps in order to make the most of their game? You wrote that KOS listings can be distributed. "Can" as there is a possibilty of it but it's not included at this very moment, correct? But let's say I was going to use a few accounts simultaneously. Would I have to change the used API key in the monitor each time I was using a different account to set my standings? Thus far I did not have to mess with my API key to set my standings for each individual account, as the In-Game Browser was an inherent part of every client... Also, could you please list those dev blogs that concern setting standings? Perhaps, just perhaps, I'll look into it and write my own monitor in order to be able to play what used to be my favorite game for almost 9 years...
* DEV BLOG > https://developers.eveonline.com/blog/article/crest-updates-for-january-2016
* the multiple api thing is something that is a problem, I did not consider unmerged clients. I would prefer to work with the same contacts over all loaded api chars. Seems the most easy is some kind of filter in the clipboard monitoring based on your char in the list you copy or something. But still, I dont think its around.
* (KOS) I was not assuming they were not, I was just pointing out you can switch platform on them.
* I dont get your point about hours for plex.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
15
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Posted - 2016.06.30 04:59:22 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:* I dont get your point about hours for plex. Probably mentioning it to say "my account is unsubscribed and I use hours for plex to reactivate only to write on the forum" since it's prohibited to use any eve services, including the forum, without an active subscription. Incidentally I find it a bit too "convenient for the narrative" for his accounts to be expired around patchday. Likewise my opinion of being unable to write on the forum with an inactive account is not a good idea either. There should at least be a grace period. |
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Cismet
Saiph Industries BIack Tie Affairs
62
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Posted - 2016.07.01 20:03:12 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:TheSmokingHertog wrote:* I dont get your point about hours for plex. Probably mentioning it to say "my account is unsubscribed and I use hours for plex to reactivate only to write on the forum" since it's prohibited to use any eve services, including the forum, without an active subscription. Incidentally I find it a bit too "convenient for the narrative" for his accounts to be expired around patchday. Likewise my opinion of being unable to write on the forum with an inactive account is not a good idea either. There should at least be a grace period.
Not the best way to engage and try and keep your customers really is it. Surely you want them to be discussing the game to entice them back?
Still, I'm disappointed that there has been no further input from developers since FoxFour's departure, the points raised in this thread have been largely ignored and/or passively aggressively attacked by developers, which is sad to see. The reasons for the removal still don't really add up and this hasn't been addressed either. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12489
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Posted - 2016.07.01 20:39:45 -
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ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed an offensive post. Please keep it civil and within the rules!
Perhaps you could police your rude ex-colleague's responses, too?
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Burn Monroe
Suddenly Dreadnoughts BIack Tie Affairs
1
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Posted - 2016.07.02 05:33:35 -
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I understand the desire to remove the in game browser. I'm sure it's huge amounts of work to maintain. But, I'm very concerned that this will significantly disrupt WH life.
Right now, WH residents use things like siggy or tripwire with the IGB. So, when you want to come back from HS, you just right click the system closest to your WH, from the WH mapping software, and select "Set destination". I know that CREST allows for this as well, but what if the person has multiple characters on different accounts? How is that going to be accommodated? Mainly this will be a problem because even if the WH mapping tool allowed logging into two accounts with CREST, you'd have to log out of one to login with the other. And I'm guessing that would then invalidate your original CREST login, no?
I think the easiest way is to give your main account approval to be the authorizer for your other accounts. Then, when you login, CREST should tell the client all the accounts that have been authorized. This would allow WH mapping software to use two different browser windows for different characters.
Either way, WH mapping software is definitely going to be VERY clunky from this point forward.
So, I'm curious how this issue will be resolved? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6077
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Posted - 2016.07.02 23:36:06 -
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Burn Monroe wrote:I understand the desire to remove the in game browser. I'm sure it's huge amounts of work to maintain. But, I'm very concerned that this will significantly disrupt WH life.
Right now, WH residents use things like siggy or tripwire with the IGB. So, when you want to come back from HS, you just right click the system closest to your WH, from the WH mapping software, and select "Set destination". I know that CREST allows for this as well, but what if the person has multiple characters on different accounts? How is that going to be accommodated? Mainly this will be a problem because even if the WH mapping tool allowed logging into two accounts with CREST, you'd have to log out of one to login with the other. And I'm guessing that would then invalidate your original CREST login, no?
I think the easiest way is to give your main account approval to be the authorizer for your other accounts. Then, when you login, CREST should tell the client all the accounts that have been authorized. This would allow WH mapping software to use two different browser windows for different characters.
Either way, WH mapping software is definitely going to be VERY clunky from this point forward.
So, I'm curious how this issue will be resolved?
The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once.
Not too hard to manage, really.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
118
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Posted - 2016.07.03 18:07:03 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once.
Not too hard to manage, really.
That's not the real problem! Tripwire etc can get the datas from CREST but the problem is how do we!!! access Tripwire without the IGB? You made a connection to get datas out of Eve to the site but how do they give the processed datas back to the players inside Eve? Or better: How do we access these sides without closing the Eve window? Eve is outsourcing a lot of informations and the IGB was THE way to get it back to the players. someone listed all the shortcommings of the overlays. Could we please talk about this problem and the solution CCP is offering? Is CCP offering something? I don't think so and THAT's the problem! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6079
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Posted - 2016.07.03 19:03:57 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote: The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once.
Not too hard to manage, really.
That's not the real problem! Tripwire etc can get the datas from CREST but the problem is how do we!!! access Tripwire without the IGB? You made a connection to get datas out of Eve to the site but how do they give the processed datas back to the players inside Eve? Or better: How do we access these sides without closing the Eve window? Eve is outsourcing a lot of informations and the IGB was THE way to get it back to the players. someone listed all the shortcommings of the overlays. Could we please talk about this problem and the solution CCP is offering? Is CCP offering something? I don't think so and THAT's the problem!
That's what an OOG browser, or a browser overlay is for? No need to shut down eve to do it. (run in fixed window, if you want to be able to alt tab, leaving Eve visible)
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Denisok94ru Denisok94ru
Rat' Domovityh Rudokopov
1
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Posted - 2016.07.03 19:48:03 -
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Cismet
Saiph Industries BIack Tie Affairs
62
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Posted - 2016.07.03 20:28:58 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Geronimo McVain wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote: The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once.
Not too hard to manage, really.
That's not the real problem! Tripwire etc can get the datas from CREST but the problem is how do we!!! access Tripwire without the IGB? You made a connection to get datas out of Eve to the site but how do they give the processed datas back to the players inside Eve? Or better: How do we access these sides without closing the Eve window? Eve is outsourcing a lot of informations and the IGB was THE way to get it back to the players. someone listed all the shortcommings of the overlays. Could we please talk about this problem and the solution CCP is offering? Is CCP offering something? I don't think so and THAT's the problem! That's what an OOG browser, or a browser overlay is for? No need to shut down eve to do it. (run in fixed window, if you want to be able to alt tab, leaving Eve visible)
See, this is the problem. It's been stated several times that those are not substitutions for a perfectly functional in-game tool. They have their own downsides that have been espoused several times on this thread. In addition they are absolutely not supported, nor guaranteed to remain within the TOS. As a result it's not appropriate to tout them as a replacement for the IGB. |
Amilee Freed
Let's annoy'em
0
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Posted - 2016.07.03 21:45:09 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
That's what an OOG browser, or a browser overlay is for? No need to shut down eve to do it. (run in fixed window, if you want to be able to alt tab, leaving Eve visible)
So, I'm wasting Hours for PLEX on my 3rd account.
An OOG browser is for stuff that is not related to EVE and for the sake of immersion and positive player experience should stay that way. As much as possible of EVE related functionality should stay in-game.
Now I've been wondering, why a CSM represantative would so fiercely defend CCPs decission concerning the In-Game Browser removal. A decission that is bad and, for the sake of EVE let's hope I'm mistaken about it, the real havoc will take place in October when the In-Game Browser gets removed. That's when every In-Game Browser user will get really furious.
I can see that you're an OOG CREST aps developer Steve Ronuken. Do you really want to make other players experience worse? I am really pleased to see that your gaming rig supports 3 monitors. Unfortunately, though, many players have only one screen and their computer specification will not allow them to run a variety of EVE related 3rd party stuff. I am also sure that they would rather spend their money on the game they like playing instead of another monitor and/or hardware to enjoy the current functionality as much as possible.
Also, if I were an app developer I'd rather vote for more accessibility to those tools. Not less. As such the OOG browser, overlays or 3rd party apps create an environment in which your tools are less accessible. EVE's a complicated and challenging game and that's the beauty of it. However, making players life even more complicated by forcing them to use Out of Game tools seems like a bad idea. Not every EVE Online player has to be as big a geek as you are. |
Speared
Let's annoy'em
4
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Posted - 2016.07.04 02:42:26 -
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Alright, so I'm back. No other game like EVE right now.
I've just ran 2 clients in a fixed window mode. My video card went crazy hot. I'm glad I didn't add any kind of overlay to it. So I switched back to full screen on both acocunts. It would leave me with Alt-Tabbing to an external browser in October if I planned to use some API features the In-Game Browser provides access to, correct? Or running just one account with some overlays hoping it wouldn't have too great of an impact on my graphics card.
I also really hate that additional amount of clicking I have to do in order to open a link in the In-Game Browser. Please make a switch to turn that pop-up off and allow opening the links in New Tab as we used to be able to, for as long as the In-Game Browser isn't removed.
Those additional clicks I have to do also have a noticeable impact on the quality of pvp. If I had to Alt-Tab to an external browser or any other 3rd party program, I think I'd quit EVE again. You don't get that in any other pvp game.
I know it won't concern the vast majority of EVE players who are either carebears or lemmings, but it might hit solo pvpers hard. Especially those flying under the Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) policy were we have to run KOS checks for every neutral jumping into the system and as we jump to different systems filled with neutral characters.
I know you're probably busy responding to and working on all the issues that your new update caused, however, please let us know what is your stance on the In-Game Browser removal and possible solutions in the light of all the feedback. Is there a chance at least for the API related stuff to remain In-Game or not?
It would be great to still be able to access CVA's KOS list from within the game and set standings on the fly without having to Alt+Tab or use any 3rd party software. It would also be nice if fleet composition intel copied from the Directional Scanner could be shared In-Game as it's now by means of the In-Game Browser. |
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Azzadal
The Second Quarter
3
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Posted - 2016.07.04 10:23:06 -
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From time to time Overwolf browser causes runtime error and closes. Also sometimes it works very slow (the EVE works fine) on my I7 4790K 16 RAM GF 980Ti. I understant that is not the CCP problem but I vote for IGB to stay. |
Oli Picard
The First Core - Main Branch
6
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Posted - 2016.07.04 20:14:02 -
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Does this mean the end to the XML API now?
If so how are transactions going to be recorded. |
Trader Hansen
Failure Assured Fail Nation
5
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Posted - 2016.07.05 12:00:12 -
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Possibly already mentioned in this thread, but with the removal of the IGB, can any in-game links that are actually URLs for external content please be made a different colour to in-game links for in-game content. |
bucegi
Imperial Dreams
9
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Posted - 2016.07.05 19:49:26 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Burn Monroe wrote:I understand the desire to remove the in game browser. I'm sure it's huge amounts of work to maintain. But, I'm very concerned that this will significantly disrupt WH life.
Right now, WH residents use things like siggy or tripwire with the IGB. So, when you want to come back from HS, you just right click the system closest to your WH, from the WH mapping software, and select "Set destination". I know that CREST allows for this as well, but what if the person has multiple characters on different accounts? How is that going to be accommodated? Mainly this will be a problem because even if the WH mapping tool allowed logging into two accounts with CREST, you'd have to log out of one to login with the other. And I'm guessing that would then invalidate your original CREST login, no?
I think the easiest way is to give your main account approval to be the authorizer for your other accounts. Then, when you login, CREST should tell the client all the accounts that have been authorized. This would allow WH mapping software to use two different browser windows for different characters.
Either way, WH mapping software is definitely going to be VERY clunky from this point forward.
So, I'm curious how this issue will be resolved? The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once. Not too hard to manage, really.
You sir are starting to sound like a future person with CCP prefix lol What is so hard to understand that many players around here do not want to be disturbed by the client minimizing just to browse something? Also I strongly believe that I shouldn't be forced to use third party apps that will or will not work and they don't replace the functionality of the ingame browser entirely and are not endorsed by ccp? I do not want to run EvE in windowed mode, how will I quickly check the local for reds without having the surprised to wake up in a pod because I had to alt tab or whatever CCCP thinks is OK for me to do? And last but not least, why should I browse out of game to look at those really funny gif's?
Why isn't there a poll sent out by CCP to all eve players to ask them if they agree or not with the removal of the ingame browser?? Is it so hard to implement?
Too many questions, I will stop here :) I would be pleasantly surprised to see a proper plan of action next time something happens in eve. Not just we will do it and let's see how it goes (capture the flag....)
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Damocles Orindus
Shadow State Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.07.06 06:16:12 -
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Definitely not encouraged by the feedback from the troubleshooters and the lack of response from the devs since all the "solutions" have been looked at and found lacking.
We just hoping this will quietly go away? |
Duke Garland
Solar Vista. The Anubis Accord
23
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Posted - 2016.07.06 09:31:39 -
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Damocles Orindus wrote:Definitely not encouraged by the feedback from the troubleshooters and the lack of response from the devs since all the "solutions" have been looked at and found lacking.
We just hoping this will quietly go away?
I sincerely hope that with whatever circumstance lead to FoXFour's departure from CCP plans are at least put on hold for now until a new DEV is assigned on the matter and worked through this threadnaught and is perhaps able to share insight on updated plans on this matter. Otherwise the help channel will certainly, in October, see an even bigger uproar than it did with the (un-)docking animation...
Anyhow for the time being a statment from anybody affiliated with the team responsible for the original decision (or some statement from the PR/community management folks) would be greatly appreciated. Or did Logibro mysteriosly disappear from payrolls too and nobody noticed? |
Cismet
Saiph Industries BIack Tie Affairs
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Duke Garland wrote:Damocles Orindus wrote:Definitely not encouraged by the feedback from the troubleshooters and the lack of response from the devs since all the "solutions" have been looked at and found lacking.
We just hoping this will quietly go away? I sincerely hope that with whatever circumstance lead to FoXFour's departure from CCP plans are at least put on hold for now until a new DEV is assigned on the matter and worked through this threadnaught and is perhaps able to share insight on updated plans on this matter. Otherwise the help channel will certainly, in October, see an even bigger uproar than it did with the (un-)docking animation... Anyhow for the time being a statment from anybody affiliated with the team responsible for the original decision (or some statement from the PR/community management folks) would be greatly appreciated. Or did Logibro mysteriosly disappear from payrolls too and nobody noticed?
This. Foxfour is no longer on the dev team. Fair enough. Either put this on hold until something can be sorted, but something from the devs who have taken over this project would be nice.
A Crest interface in-game would probably do it. Log in out of the game, and have the output piped to an in-game crest interface if that's a possibility. I don't know how much more development would be required, but there are tools used "in-space" that it's simply dangerous to use in an OOGB. Almost as bad as the damned hacking mini-game. I've been caught twice by that because I was hacking and couldn't adequately split my focus on the Overview...... That's my personal problem though and has no bearing on this matter, forget I mentioned it.... |
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CCP Darwin
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I've been on the sidelines for this, but you can be very sure that this choice was a huge decision made after lots of discussion and follow-up prep work over multiple years among members of a number of teams as well as Eve Development leadership. The team is still working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Cismet
Saiph Industries BIack Tie Affairs
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Posted - 2016.07.07 13:59:11 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I've been on the sidelines for this, but you can be very sure that this choice was a huge decision made after lots of discussion and follow-up prep work over multiple years among members of a number of teams as well as Eve Development leadership. The team is still working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog.
Noone is questioning that it was a huge decision. The question is over the wisdom of the decision given the lack of viable and officially supported in-game alternatives. I'm sorry for being blunt, but that's what this comes down to. This isn't a wise decision for a large group of your player base given the lack of viable/officially supported alternatives.
I won't reiterate the reasoning that has already been iterated on this thread, but I'm disappointed that the only response has been to continue to propose "solutions" that the community have already advised you are not viable. Instead, you seem determined to further alienate large portions of your customer base.
Still, I appreciate that you took the time to at least come on and provide a dev comment following the departure of FoxFour. |
Speared
Let's annoy'em
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Posted - 2016.07.07 17:30:54 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I've been on the sidelines for this, but you can be very sure that this choice was a huge decision made after lots of discussion and follow-up prep work over multiple years among members of a number of teams as well as Eve Development leadership. The team is still working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog.
It was "a huge decission made after lots of discussion" to make the plyers Alt-Tab and favor those who can use another monitor or secondary device such as a smartphone or tablet?
Your "follow-up prep work over multiple years" resulted only in CREST meant for 3rd party unsupported apps?
"Working to the schedule stated in CCP FoxFour's dev blog" which to me is removing the browser from the client seems like a lot of work indeed.
Are you kidding me CCP? |
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