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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:11:28 -
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Emrys Alf wrote:This is all after telling us all that overlays were illegal.. is the left hand talking to the right.. HyperFlareX wrote:Another overlay alternative would be Evolve's overlay. As a Mac user this is hard... What do we use? Wormhole mapping wonder how that is going to work?
Uh, you mean the one where the security team specifically calls out browser overlays as ok?
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/
Quote:We also do NOT consider it unfair if you use other comfort overlays which do not affect how the game is played. This includes overlays for chat and IM applications, the Steam overlay, and Web-Browser overlays for example.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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l0rd carlos
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
1283
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:12:16 -
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Duke Garland please don't be silly. Thank you.
Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2589
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:16:31 -
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The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game when you access it. Which is absolutely unacceptable. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works. Evolve does not really work with EVE. It recognized EVE in the library, tells me I can use the overlay, but nothing happens when I press the overlay key combo even after multiple client/launcher restarts. Overlay is not listed in the EVE Online entry in the gamesdb.xml file and even after manually adding the entry to the file, pressing the overlay hotkey does not show it. Overwolf so far seems the only overlay that is barely usable, although it has no bookmarks which is quite important to me because I regularly visit certain sites and do not really want to type each url every single time I need to use that page. However, the browser apparently does not keep .net addresses like evemaps.dotlan.net stored in the auto complete feature of the url bar, so another thing that makes this overlay less usable than the IGB
And overall, I need to do more clicks and more keyboard strokes to access the overlays in the first place in all instances.
Any other suggestions? Or does someone care to try to explain how to get evolve or overwolf working properly (properly == retaining the functionality of the IGB)?[/quote]
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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Emrys Alf
Seagull Fleet DRONE WALKERS
4
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:34:23 -
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Later was said Pirates Little Helper is legal.. but it was started with Overlays are illegal. Streaming local of another char to the web and then overlaid is now legal if they used the web? Which makes the whole overlay thing a waste of time and words.
But I wonder what about us Mac users... we don't have overlays and even so an overlay is not the same as IGB..
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Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
13
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Posted - 2016.06.21 17:53:32 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ahuraa wrote:I dont understand any of this.
You are removing a function in the game and then say you want third-party devs to take over with CREST.
I have googled and i have not found any software named Crest that does the function of checking Jita prices.
Where is this CREST you talk about all the time, are you creating this software into the game or are you contracting other to crate this Crest Software that i can use to check prices?
Wouldn't it be better to use the money you spent on Project discovery, that does nothing for the game, to keep up the IGB so we can use it for TRADING, THAT IS PART OF THE GAME? https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/viewer/ perhaps? CREST isn't a bit of software. It's an API for developers to use, to get access to data from CCP.
Could you please tell us if there is a possibility to use this CREST in-game without having to rely on any non-CCP supported out of game applications? |
Tamoyo Hoshi
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.06.21 18:00:39 -
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I understand the need to evolve and the reasons to schedule IGB for death.
But in a game so complex with such wide variation of players, removing it without a proper replacement solution is a big issue. Many tools are based on that. I'm not sure if you realize the impact of that on many players.
Using a normal browser will work for those with big screens and multiple monitors.
In my case I I have a single monitor, with 2 clients which I alternate in full screen mode (required since my graphic card won't work smooth in windowed mode);
Changing to another client or OOG browser takes valuable time if you are in space. Time enough to cause ship losses. So tools for hostile checking will be useless...
I tried Overwolf but it seens to work only in a single client, so it is not adequate also. Is there any other overlay that works on multiple clients?
Of course CCP won't endorse any overlay. But some guidance is required here. Unfortunately it is needed when you remove a feature with so many resources that made this game great.
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Farmer Johnson's Daughter
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2016.06.21 18:47:04 -
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Does CCP actually wonder why devs wont touch this game with a ten foot poll?. Crest is honestly one of the worst things I've ever seen. The static dumps are ridiculously hard to work with as well (let me query 9 tables just to figure out what an item is made of).
I like the game overall but the lack of a decent api or a DB dump with a proper schema has kept me any many devs from even bothering to create sites and aps for it. (I know "we don't need you", "Good riddance", don't worry, don't care.)
Enjoy your time and keep pissing off devs, then wonder why your game has such crap 3rd party dev support.
Another nail in the coffin of EVE.
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Kiera Oramara
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2016.06.21 19:22:40 -
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Ok so the IGB is not your best work But most of the time it works There`s alot of ppl using it continuously when they are playing (including myself)
And now your planing to just remove it without anything out the we can use instead (and overwolf sucks bigtime so iam not even thinking that way)
Why
Seriously put the dev`s on something useful and leave the IGB alone
K
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Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
27
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Posted - 2016.06.21 19:49:17 -
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Farmer Johnson's Daughter wrote: Enjoy your time and keep pissing off devs, then wonder why your game has such crap 3rd party dev support.
EVE has some of the best third-party dev support in the entire gaming industry. Sure, there aren't modders like Elder Scrolls and similar games have, but that's because EVE is an MMO. The type and quality of software that EVE has available for it is absolutely top-notch compared to what exists for pretty much every other game. |
Tass Caffington
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
6
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Posted - 2016.06.21 19:54:16 -
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Bawb Zennshinagas wrote: Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay?
Because There aren't any for Mac users?
pretty much this.
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
"We're not happy until you're content!"
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Leo Apocrypha
Senescence
1
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Posted - 2016.06.21 20:25:19 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away. This food sucks. VS Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :) Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours? I want to start off by saying, this post concerns me. I've never seen such a hostile response from a dev to someone just for posting their opinion. Especially when theres so many posts of people completely over-dramatizing the effect this will have on their gameplay experience. That being said, my faith in this change not having a negative effect is derived from my experience with the shutdown of EVElopedia. (EVEuni and Brave's site were far from being "more complete" resources in my experience but thats a whole other topic) Removing tools and resources without a viable alternative is always going to be frustrating for the players, and frankly thats what has happened, and what seems is going to happen in both instances. The solutions listed so far (as much as you would like them to be) are not and will not be viable alternatives to IGB So far what I've seen is 1. Use windowed mode or alt tab The loss of in game awareness with this "solution" is far more than enough to put me off (even in windowed mode the lack of screen space will have a negative effect) 2. Use a second screen Its mostly been edgelords, elitists, and apologists posting this, but obviously it is not going to be possible (or desirable) for a lot of people including myself. 3. Use an overlay This is the best option so far, however that overlay would have to have very specific features and to my knowledge (I'm not an expert in overlays nor do I intend to become one just to fix the loss of IGB) no overlay with all of those features exists. Most importantly, it can't lock out in-game controls like steam overlay does, which from what I've read in other posts really only leaves overwolf. However unless they add bookmarks to the browser and let me choose to open any in-game links in the overlay instead of with the regular browser it will be far less convenient than just using a regular browser, and the problems with that are listed above. So from now on lets just assume anyone with a short, simple post like Sheeana's are in agreement with at least some of what I've written above, as no matter what it is you do in eve these reasons are applicable. I'll end by saying that this is my favorite MMO and that no other is worth playing in my opinion, but this game is clicky, waity, and hard enough as is without removing convient tools, resources and of course, the ability to browse dank memes. |
Jiradus Tazinas
EVE University Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2016.06.21 20:27:38 -
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nezroy wrote:Jiradus Tazinas wrote:This is not a solution for individuals who are NOT running windows. The FORM of the solution is, however. "Always on top" is literally a right-click option for Gnome/GDK users already. (In fact, ANY form of customized window management is about a million times easier on a Linux platform in general, so the issue is completely moot there). Approximately 15 seconds of searching for OS X always on top options yielded multiple possibilities. Check out afloat, for instance. ...
I'm glad that there are solutions that you as a non-windows/Linux user can use.
Afloat requires disabling system security protections to prevent malware from writing to system protected areas.. (SIP to be specific)
I haven't seen any options that work without requiring that the user disable SIP, but I'm game to try out available alternatives. |
Malou Hashur
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2016.06.21 20:31:05 -
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"whenever you click on a link in the client you will be warned that the link will open in an external browser.
You can choose to accept this and open the external browser or cancel. The dialog also has the option to remember your choice."
If I have selected to remember this choice, but now want to revert to being asked each time, which is the setting I need to reset ?
CCP Philosophy ==>>
If it works, break it. If itGÇÖs broken, leave it and break something else.
Ignore all Forum comments that raise issues and concerns about our "features", and bring said "features" in anyway.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
485
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Posted - 2016.06.21 20:40:08 -
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Postman wrote:CCP once again missed the point completely. Sites as Dotlan and the old EVElopedia are used almost always ingame. First they remove the EVElopedia, then they nerf Dotlan use. Good thing I already cancelled my subscriptions because of vacation, now I have zero reason to come back after. Here is a idea for the next big thing to remove from the game CCP: the actual client. Its probably to much work to maintain that and using CREST you don't need it anymore anyway, seeing how magical that CREST is.
As customers I do not believe we get the same value we used to get out of our $ then before.
CCP has scraped the in-game-browser, evelopedia, tech 3 cruisers still need to be balanced, pay-to-win at skill training time, Ambulation is dead, after years we finally get new citadels but no Modular design
This devaluation of bang for your buck could be because the Company does not take Inflation into account
Regards, a Freelancer
ps: source https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bidding-farewell-to-the-in-game-browser/
Quote:Browsers advance at an incredible speed and maintaining them and keeping whatever browser is in the client up to date takes a lot of effort. This is development effort that we would rather commit to projects that make EVE more awesome with additional CREST functionality and more feature work.
Dust 514 to PC is still ONLY is ink on a piece of paper imho
Eve online is :
A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online
D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow Test Alliance Please Ignore
1800
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Posted - 2016.06.21 21:09:46 -
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I've been playing EVE since Trinity. And much of that time using Linux.
CCP, what about Linux players? There are issues with GNOME3 and MATE where leaving the EVE window (alt tabbing, changing virtual desktops) causes EVE to stop receiving mouse input when it regains focus. The IGB wasn't perfect but it did work most of the time.
I'm going to have to play in windowed mode all the time now. I use out of game resources too frequently to lose the IGB.
I had enough issues getting EVE to work with your new launcher (why did we even need the launcher anyway? In-game updates on the login screen never failed for me on Linux or Windows).
Due to Microsoft's recent, bizarre, decisions regarding telemetry Windows 10, 8, and 7 are no longer viable options due to telemetry collection. EVE is one of the few good games that worked consistently on Linux for as long as I can remember. But it seems like every patch makes it less and less compatible with WINE.
Heck, the new camera lags like crazy compared to the old one. I've started getting periodic stuttering ever since it was introduced.
Things are only impossible until they are not.
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Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad Soviet-Union
1
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Posted - 2016.06.21 21:27:50 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away. This food sucks. VS Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :) Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours?
OK, now watch this -
I wanna click some url ingame, AND i need it open in small window on top of my client. I dont want it closed or minimized when i play eve, and i need it stay on top until its no longer needed. Having bookmarks also sounds good.
In other words - can you actually show us at least one overlay that works as described? |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1646
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Posted - 2016.06.21 22:14:37 -
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I have removed an offensive post. Please keep it civil and within the rules!
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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DUBLYUR
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2016.06.21 22:57:02 -
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RIP IGB - RIP CCP |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
273
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Posted - 2016.06.21 23:12:41 -
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This is a sad day. A sad day indeed.
Eugene Dupont wrote:I wanna click some url ingame, AND i need it open in small window on top of my client. I dont want it closed or minimized when i play eve, and i need it stay on top until its no longer needed. Having bookmarks also sounds good.
In other words - can you actually show us at least one overlay that works as described? More displays? I used to play EVE with 12.. Cut down to 4 now, no thanks to NVIDIA (dicks).
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Bain Bloodguard
Wings of Destiny
2
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Posted - 2016.06.21 23:14:40 -
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Taking away my in game browser ? does my subscription cost go down ? or do I take my credit card number away from CCP ? of all the bad ideas and changes Ive seen in Eve over the years, this one is going to make me leave.... no you cant have my stuff ! will give it away to someone else |
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Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad Soviet-Union
1
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Posted - 2016.06.21 23:32:59 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:More displays? I used to play EVE with 12.. Cut down to 4 now, no thanks to NVIDIA (***** ************** **********).
Actually i was going to buy 2 extra displays, for a long time... But for 3 account, not for two + browser! |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
303
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Posted - 2016.06.21 23:41:13 -
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LOL! Given the fact that "devs" around this place is using the term quite loosely: If it's beyond our bare-bones minimum salary allotment, we cut it loose. If it can be built quickly and cheaply, and painted to look cool, then let's get on it right away!
Here's to the stationary ships! May they sit there motionless and...do whatever! Yay!
Three things set EVE apart...the real EVE, that is...er, was....the notepad, the calculator and the BROWSER.
Like Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad." Wayttaminnit...Meatloaf SUCKS!
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad Soviet-Union
1
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Posted - 2016.06.22 00:11:43 -
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Well, lets hear what CCP FoxFour have to say about his/her overlays |
purebegoid
IM A COP YOU IDIOT
2
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Posted - 2016.06.22 00:48:07 -
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In the dev blog it says:
Quote:Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so. The only reason that we are not removing the IGB with the release tomorrow is to give all those developers who have tools created that utilize it time to move their projects over to an external browser.
Quote:Again however we must advise against using the IGB if you can do so.
What again? There is no mentioning of not using the in game browser in the dev blog up until that point.
To me that reads like the initial draft of the blog had some mentioning of why not to use the in game browser but has since been removed in later drafts before posting. This whole thing stinks of a cover up. What are you not telling us CCP? Why are you censoring your dev blogs? Why are you FORCING us to out of game browsers to look at fleet porn? Now we have to remember to clear cache and cookies god damn it.
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Drabbin Mishi
Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2016.06.22 01:04:39 -
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Sorry if this has been asked, but how do I cause EVE to send my links to the Overwolf client (which is working great for TS3), instead of my desktop Firefox? |
Eugene Dupont
Barrel Roll Squad Soviet-Union
3
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Posted - 2016.06.22 01:37:10 -
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Ah, there's a catch - you can't I hoped CCP FoxFour will say that, but... |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
306
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Posted - 2016.06.22 04:13:10 -
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Drabbin Mishi wrote:Sorry if this has been asked, but how do I cause EVE to send my links to the Overwolf client (which is working great for TS3), instead of my desktop Firefox? Short answer? You don't. You might try dragging them into the notepad if your new browser can pick them up from that.. I just downloaded that thing. I'm not sure I trust those people, though. They look like your typical deluge with clicktraps folks.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
302
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Posted - 2016.06.22 04:21:27 -
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And new FireFox ignores all embedded color profiles... so all pictures are displayed as sRGB...
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1127354
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Jin O'harlen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.06.22 04:27:06 -
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This is taking something very unique away from this game. This is taking such a big part of the immersion away from the game. Stop trying to make shooters, put down the VR goggles, and get back to making the best online game ever made. You guys did that before, remember? |
Bawb Zennshinagas
Pelican.
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Posted - 2016.06.22 04:48:31 -
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Haha, screw your color accuracy. -CCP as they continue to push ********, unthought out, unusable overlay solutions.
Browsers are in a pretty sad state these days. So much feature creep, too little usefulness. |
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