Feeling pretty superior I see. Always a good attitude to take with someone you do not know.

The OP said it needed to be a special group. Your points taken in the vacuum that is only your posts in this thread seem perfectly good ideas. However, the entire thread is about forming a "special group" to avoid wardecs. Perhaps you can now understand my confusion.

Or you can just call me an idiot again.

To respond to your ideas about more social tools and to stray further off topic: If there are current methods for achieving these goals then why should a game development company shift or add resources to duplicate those inside the game environment? Is this time not better spent maintaining and growing actual game play?
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Feeling pretty superior I see. Always a good attitude to take with someone you do not know.

The OP said it needed to be a special group. Your points taken in the vacuum that is only your posts in this thread seem perfectly good ideas. However, the entire thread is about forming a "special group" to avoid wardecs. Perhaps you can now understand my confusion.

Or you can just call me an idiot again.

To respond to your ideas about more social tools and to stray further off topic: If there are current methods for achieving these goals then why should a game development company shift or add resources to duplicate those inside the game environment? Is this time not better spent maintaining and growing actual game play?

Oh and I've been part of incursion groups that do all of these things with in game tools.

And yet, when you responded suggesting what I wrote just meant a chat channel, you responded to my post.

If you wanted it to be in relation to the OP, then you probably should have addressed him. Since you quoted me and asked if that just meant a chat channel, I responded accordingly, because it isn't like any of this information is secret.

It's all public if you just took the effort to go read it. Unfortunately, you took the lazy way of assuming something different, so you got the response you asked for.

If you didn't want that, then go do some reading first before replying like an idiot.

Of course, the sociopaths have rushed to exclaim "something something KILL KILL KILL". However, since the vast majority of gamers would pay real money to play a game where the one eye-browed knuckle-draggers could only diddle with each other...and since a lot of gaming companies who went t!ts up and broke at the clamoring this PvP minority felt they just had to create (just to survive as a group...not all stupid, eh?) it would behoove a company to ignore the sociopathic, yet very loud minority (who largely pay in PLEX) and listen to those who actually use MONEY...in terms of enlightened self-interest and seriously consider the OP's point.

But, they won't. This proves my theory that everybody in the world (except me) has lost their minds.

I may be ignorant of something proposed "a couple of years ago" that has little relevance to the topic at hand I will admit. I may be na+»ve to expect posts in a certain topic to be on topic - which you are saying yours was not.

But I am certainly an idiot...

My post was on topic, as the mechanisms the OP proposed have been discussed previously, and proposed by CCP:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5443410#post5443410 (and discussed with the CSM)

and CCP apparently still plan on implementing the idea in one form or another:

http://i.imgur.com/TAn95ZG.png (note, that is not from 27 days ago as indicated. The screenshot is a bit older than that).

As to the last bit quoted, it's good we agree.

It is on topic if the topic of stopping wars to Invincicorp is the same topic as adding "X social network" and "X Productivity Software" in game to organize a group is the same topic.

That is one side effect. Yes.

Why not go read the 45 page thread that is linked, which just happens to say right in the very third post: Apparently there are talks to create un-war deccable corps in hi sec.

Reading is not hard.

I had a silly idea when I read the OP. What if you could pay off concord?

[snip]

Yes, that is what a war dec is essentially. Somebody has paid CONCORD to look the other way when they come to shoot your stuff.

Anyway, I suggest that a fundamental change allowing a player to be exempt from PvP is a bit more than a side effect. From what I read of your other posts, I believe that you agree with me.

So, what am I missing? Are you suggesting that these "social tools" are so important that people are willing to sacrifice one of the tenents of the game?

Well.....kinda.

I do accept that wars are part of Eve. A very important part. But i'd like to make a suggestion on behalf of those of who just aren't into pvp. I hope that the reaction of the community will be a considered response and not just the usual "learn to fight" and "can I have your stuff". I've been around since just after launch in 2003. 13 years (without taking a break) and I hope the community will allow me a voice.

As I said, not everyone is into pvp. I still have the original game CD box on my shelf, which says I can "be anything I want to be". Well, what I want is to be left in peace to build my stuff and mine my ore with my friends. The current game mechanics simply won't allow that.

So what do I want then? Well, i'd like to be excluded from wardecs. Please read on before you hit the flame button:

I think it would be a great idea if CCP allowed corps who have no interest in pvp to sign into an opt out clause, which carries penalties for that corp. For instance, they can't build any structures (it's only fair that structures are vulnerable). They can't declare war. They pay additional taxes to buy and sell on the market and additional manufacturing costs. They suffer a mining penalty, perhaps even a general penalty to all aspects of their ships stats. They get lower mission rewards, etc etc. and they are of course as vulnerable as anyone else in low and null sec.

In short, they are disadvantaged. They must pay the price of peace.

I know....go join an NPC corp then. But as we all know the purpose of a corp is to have that small space in the game shared with you and your buddies. Concord already effectively takes bribes (the wardec fees) to turn a blind eye to aggression. Surely it wouldn't be taking it out of character if it charged "protection money" to those who don't want to fight?

If you're into fighting there are plenty of players willing to give you a fight. But I see many people who just want to mine and chat or build and sell things who quickly realise that they just aren't going to be allowed to do that in a casual, peaceful corp. So they play for a month or so and quit. In a time of falling subscriptions I wonder if it would be so harmful for CCP to finally consider those who don't consider their time in Eve to be solely fighting?

I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?

For someone whose supposedly been around a long time...you're as dumb as a sack of potatoes.

The only valid things you listed in your argument are deployment of structures...

Nothing prevents you from forming your own fleets to get command boosts of various types and kinds.
Taxation wise - you don't loose that much in isk.

All I see here is a dribbling moron crying over something that many hundreds if not thousands know how to deal with the issue.

If anything you've just made yourself a target by complaining about war decs here.

If you can't cope with it...then don't join a corp.

As I said, not everyone is into pvp. I still have the original game CD box on my shelf, which says I can "be anything I want to be". Well, what I want is to be left in peace to build my stuff and mine my ore with my friends. The current game mechanics simply won't allow that.

So I see.

I see numbers will rise again.

In Doomheim.

Acompanied by "**** EVE" on the tombstones, as someone said to me in game recently.

Sorting out the wheat from the chaff, I guess

All I see here is someone who can't even spell "lose" calling out another poster for being "dumb" and a "dribbling moron".
Hilarious.

I'm sure you can argue your case without resorting to personal insults.

So many players hate this wardec systems, so many players CHOOSE to dock up for a week to avoid their copr to be permadecced...

...1 week of paid gameplay BEING FORCED to play...

...only totally AWESOME game developers can DESIGN something like that in a subscription based mmo...

...AND they seem to UNDERSTAND it anyway...

They are probably OPTIMISTIC about players NOT BEING GIGANTIC CRYBABIES.

Capitalized the bits i fixed for you, kthxbai.