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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
376
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Posted - 2016.07.25 02:12:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jasmine Deer wrote:Mortlake wrote:
What social aspects are they losing by having to drop corp for a week? None.
They still have comms, they can create another channel in game to chat if they don't have comms, they can still mine or mission together in an NPC corp or alt corp of their choice. Most opportunistic decs won't interfere with your installations, meaning you can still leave holding characters in to manage jobs etc.
While I agree with this , in practice there is usually some corp membership leakage of players who decide to stay in an npc corp, change corp or drop out altogether. For new corps this can prove quite disruptive. You can say those corps are doomed to fail, poorly led, etc but the point still stands that when a wardec comes along it is rarely without negative impact to the social aspect of corp life for beginner corps. and ... its perfectly legitimate gameplay to grind a corp to a messy pulp for making a "de jue claim" on the wrong system , or mouthing off to the wrong people because they are a corp, who gives a **** if their feelings get hurt , they said they were ready for it when they formed up, had every available opportunity to fold and reform or just plain leave the war at no cost to themselves whatsoever. to quote brokk "Training wheels got to come off some time" , forming a corp is exactly that. Ralph...telling it like it is since whenever the hell he started.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Gavascon
need more power inc. Murder By Numbers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2016.07.25 12:53:30 -
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this topic has been regurgitated so many times..... i'll try to keep this short.
1) players are attempting to seek fairness in an environment which is unfair. but, real life isn't fair (never was and never will be). i'm glad eve mirrors the "real life" concept. all of you, put your hands around that - eve isn't fair. never was and never should be.
2) some of you should watch some tv. such as: star trek, star trek generations, babylon 5, stargate sg-1, farscape and a whole host of others. in all of those shows, war/confilct abound. the shows depict space as unsafe. why shouldn't eve be the same?
3) safe mining? please think about what you do the next time a few computer generated pirates appear. oh, launch drones and defend yourself.
4) eve: missions/ded complexes/incursions.....you're learning pvp.
5) your corp gets war dec'd......all of you are supposed to be banded together for a common cause/goal. in theory, you're supposed to stand up for yourselves. those that leave weren't there for the same reason as everyone else. as such, the war does what the CEO should have done.....trim the "fat".
it's time all of you embraced the game for what it is, as opposed to they way you want it to be.
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Dave Day
Universal Freelance
130
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Posted - 2016.07.28 12:21:27 -
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Gavascon wrote: it's time all of you embraced the game for what it is, as opposed to they way you want it to be.
Or alternatively, leave by the thousand, as is happening.
"The game" is one thing....CCP's profit margins are another. When they have lost enough subs and introduced all the "pay to win" aspects that they can think of then all you'll have left is pvp er's in max skilled accounts with maxed out ships cancelling each other out. Wardecs will then be won by those with the deepest real life pockets, the miners and industrialists having long ago gotten fed up with being shot in the face and quit.
CCP cares about the game because the game makes them a profit, but don't be deluded about which one they will prioritise when the player subs no longer cover their costs.
Sounds great....(sigh) |
Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club Domain Research and Mining Inst.
21
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Posted - 2016.07.28 13:20:44 -
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Dave Day wrote:Gavascon wrote: it's time all of you embraced the game for what it is, as opposed to they way you want it to be.
Or alternatively, leave by the thousand, as is happening. "The game" is one thing....CCP's profit margins are another. When they have lost enough subs and introduced all the "pay to win" aspects that they can think of then all you'll have left is pvp er's in max skilled accounts with maxed out ships cancelling each other out. Wardecs will then be won by those with the deepest real life pockets, the miners and industrialists having long ago gotten fed up with being shot in the face and quit. CCP cares about the game because the game makes them a profit, but don't be deluded about which one they will prioritise when the player subs no longer cover their costs. Sounds great....(sigh)
Honestly. The game was doing well with continually rising subs when CCP catered to the hardcore player. As soon as ccp started swinging the nerf bat this way and that at emergent play styles is when the train started going off the rails. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
257
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Posted - 2016.07.28 13:45:11 -
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OP I applaud your reasonable approach and suggestion to fix your problem. But...no. You should be safe nowhere in eve. That is how eve is designed. If we start making exceptions to the rule and making some places almost completely safe, it will ruin the game.
You have options. And the best option for you given current game mechanics and the fact that its highly unlikely those mechanics are going to change is to embrace current game mechanics. Your biggest problem is you are trying to "live it up" in high sec. Which is literally the worst place in eve to live. You have to deal with wardeccers and gankers and so many neutrals you do not know who is going to gank you. You dont know if your war targets are going to hang out in hubs and wait for you to show up or if they are going to actually try to find you.... what a crappy way to live an eve life.
But fear not! You have options. Move to null, mine in relative peace and profit! You will get better profits and be able to spend more time doing the stuff you want. Ill use my alliance as an example:
- We are a null pvp oriented alliance that owns our own space. - We live in a relatively quiet area because we keep it that way. - We dont care about wardecs because deccers wont dare step foot in null where they have to fight people that pvp all the time. - We have good intel.Giving you warning 99% of the time that an enemy is getting close. - We get a few small roams throughout the day. They come and go. 10-15 minutes is usually all you have to dock up for. - Our pvpers actively defend the space. We dont sit in the dock while people kill us and burn our stuff to the ground. We are more like" ohhh! targets we dont have to hunt for!" -We dont force our members to pvp( though some corps are more strict about it than others but as an alliance its not forced) - Our bears can either help defend or they can just wait in the dock till the coast is clear. If we are deployed and its more than a roam. the pvpers will come back to defend. - Everyone contributes to the alliance, the difference is you have many ways to contribute. Bears are still expected to contribute but they contribute by stocking the market, building doctrine stuff, ammo, drones, charges, capitals, citadels, whatever. Mining Ice for the caps. bears fuel jump bridges poses citadels,provide alliance logistics, find wormhole chains( if exploring is your thing) etc. THIS is how they contribute to the alliance. - we have buyback for ices and ores and such though i dont know a lot about the indy side just what i read in the alliance forum.
In return you get a relatively safe place to mine and do indy all day. No guessing if someone is going to pop up and shoot you. People in the area are either friendly or they are going to try to kill you. its very black and white.
So the answer to your problem already exist, (good) null alliances will provide the security you are looking for while you contribute to the alliance with your industrial expertise. And as a bonus the profits are much higher even if you have to dock up for 10-15min a few times a day. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2016.07.28 13:51:42 -
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I can tell you what is the main problem in my opinion.
Several ( not to say a huge amount ) of hisec mining / industrial corps are made of mature ( middle age ) players that simply relax and play to socialize with others, play with market, create goods to sell, things like that.
They don't do and they don't like pvp much, they have some pvpers in the corp but a little amount.
They are sometimes target of Wardeccing pvpers corps for several reasons I don't want to explain.
Wardecs have a duration of one week and can be prolonged ( usually are prolonged if the "target" is profitable )
For that reason members of that corps often suggest corpmates to stay docked or to limit themself on movements and so on during wardecs, afraid wardec to be prolonged if they lose many ships.
Because one week is a long time, and it's 1/4 of a monthly subscription, mature players are annoyed by it because if they leave company they have some disadvantages on their "social" activity and social activity is the main reason that keep them playing eve.
So, some of them they are annoyed but they stay docked and they use Eve as a chat only some others think that chatting only without even the basic ( and lowly lucrative ) activity of mining / hauling is a waste of money, because 1 weeks is 1/4 or subscription.
So they resist some time and after some time they get bored of wardecs and quit game. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8449
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:08:58 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Mature player stuff
EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players.
Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:23:07 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Mature player stuff EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players. Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else.
Maybe you're right.
I would suggest CCP to make Wardecs permanent, or to delete hisec completely (or maybe leaving it as a hisec only for NPC corporations).
They could try it and take the responsability to make the game a full pvp game.
I think that kind of "halfway" situation is so annoying for "social" players and for pvpers also, a "take of responsability" from CCP would put an end to this situation in my opinion.
But they need to be brave to do something so radical....
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8451
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:30:23 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Mature player stuff EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players. Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else. Maybe you're right. I would suggest CCP to make Wardecs permanent, or to delete hisec completely (or maybe leaving it as a hisec only for NPC corporations). They could try it and take the responsability to make the game a full pvp game. I think that kind of "halfway" situation is so annoying for "social" players and for pvpers also, a "take of responsability" from CCP would put an end to this situation in my opinion. But they need to be brave to do something so radical....
You obviously don't want to play this game, and are expecting CCP to cater to your specific play-style. Please take your "ideas" to the proper forum area where such input is solicited, or better yet, to another game where competition and loss are meaningless.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:32:44 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Mature player stuff EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players. Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else. Maybe you're right. I would suggest CCP to make Wardecs permanent, or to delete hisec completely (or maybe leaving it as a hisec only for NPC corporations). They could try it and take the responsability to make the game a full pvp game. I think that kind of "halfway" situation is so annoying for "social" players and for pvpers also, a "take of responsability" from CCP would put an end to this situation in my opinion. But they need to be brave to do something so radical.... You obviously don't want to play this game, and are expecting CCP to cater to your specific play-style. Please take your "ideas" to the proper forum area where such input is solicited, or better yet, to another game where competition and loss are meaningless.
It sounds quite amazing to me that you firmly say this is a pvp game and if I suggest to make it a pvp game you answer like that!
I don't see any logic but it's only a forum post so not a problem at all for me.... |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8451
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:40:06 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Mature player stuff EVE is a PVP game. Period. Full Stop. This is not a game for those who do not like or want to PVP. You do not even have to leave your station to compete (PVP) against other players. Players also don't have to dock up for a week or more when war decced. They have options such as fighting, hiring mercs, or *gasp* moving someplace else. Maybe you're right. I would suggest CCP to make Wardecs permanent, or to delete hisec completely (or maybe leaving it as a hisec only for NPC corporations). They could try it and take the responsability to make the game a full pvp game. I think that kind of "halfway" situation is so annoying for "social" players and for pvpers also, a "take of responsability" from CCP would put an end to this situation in my opinion. But they need to be brave to do something so radical.... You obviously don't want to play this game, and are expecting CCP to cater to your specific play-style. Please take your "ideas" to the proper forum area where such input is solicited, or better yet, to another game where competition and loss are meaningless. It sounds quite amazing to me that you firmly say this is a pvp game and if I suggest to make it a pvp game you answer like that! I don't see any logic but it's only a forum post so not a problem at all for me....
EVE is *already* a PVP game, everywhere, all the time, 23.5/7/365.
What you are "suggesting" is that CCP fundamentally change the game because it does not meet your limited definition of PVP.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:43:17 -
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Oh, ok.
You don't like my suggestion because you deem I have a "limited definition of pvp"
Clear now, thanks for the explanation. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
257
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:50:37 -
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Quote:Many pvpers here think that this is a game for pvpers only, they don't care if the "social" players I talked about leave the game because they think Eve is nt the game for them. Eve is a pvp game. It depends heavily on losing ships and modules to keep the economy balanced and the game functioning.
The misconception is that pvpers will not or do not pve and thus without bears the game will die. Thats not the case. The bears make everything cheaper because of competition between them and they maximize efficiency. If there were no true bears in the game, the economy would still function because pvpers still do pve( most of them) and they would just do it to more of a degree than before. I can build 200k units of ammo while still pew pewing. I can still research blueprints, mine goo etc. since i dont pew pew my entire time in game i have time to engage in pve activities.
Furthermore a majority of bears embrace this is a pvp game. And some actually love it. Doing pve in basically a battlefield excites them. I know many pvers that are perfectly happy doing their thing while trying to avoid being killed. In fact a majority of the pvers ive met are like this. Only a very small portion of pvers make a big deal out of "no safe place" in eve. They just appear to be larger in numbers because they are the ones that always complain.
Its like when you read a review on something , a much higher percentage of people will complain about something than people who are satisfied. You might have 500 people that are happy with something and 40 that arent But 35 of those 40 will write a review and complain about it while maybe only 20 of the 500 who are happy with it will bother.
The few people that complain about gankers and wardecs, etc are in the minority. Such activities either do not apply to everyone else because they got out of the kiddie pool( IE high sec) and started swimming in the big boy pool( ie null/low/wspace) or they simply know how to skirt gankers and deccers so it doesnt affect their gameplay.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8451
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:54:59 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Oh, ok.
You don't like my suggestion because you deem I have a "limited definition of pvp"
Clear now, thanks for the explanation.
When you demonstrate that you believe PVP is exclusive to war and combat, you meet the criteria for possessing a limited definition of PVP.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1154
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Posted - 2016.07.28 15:47:35 -
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People do realize that there are ample ways to work around a war dec? |
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
42
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Posted - 2016.07.28 15:49:44 -
[136] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:People do realize that there are ample ways to work around a war dec?
I'm gonna have to say.......... no. Well, not THESE people anyway. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
494
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Posted - 2016.07.28 15:50:31 -
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Doc Fury is correct.
EVE is all PVP in every aspect of the game. That does not have any impact on the 'social' aspects of the game though. You can play this game solo and be good at it.
Players using the term "PVE" either do so out of an understanding that it is EVE PVE (not the same as other MMO's PVE) or incorrectly using it as it pertains to other MMO's PVE, which doesn't exist, so it's used in error.
Officially, there is no PVE in EVE. You are competing for EVERYTHING in this game. You can choose to ignore other players activities and their impact on your productivity (say a miner that leaves other miners alone and chooses to let them take the same resources you are mining for, or a Combat Site runner that ignores other Combat Site runners that are draining your systems of those sites and taking away ISK that could be yours) but that is a CHOICE, not PVE. You can easily flip it to PVP, lay claim to systems and defend them, even in HiSec. This is why War Dec/gank mechanics still exist, to austensibly allow for ship to ship PVP to still exist in Concord protected locations like Hi/Lo Sec.
The only thing that comes close to true other MMO PVE is mission running. The only drawback to that is that you can be sent on missions in dangerous PVP space so that kind of takes it out of true PVE.
So, be very careful tossing the term PVE around. Always remember that as other MMO's use the term, it doesn't exist in EVE. However, in EVE, when you are primarily fighting computer based targets, is how the term "PVE" is used.
No place is safe for ship to ship PVP other than dock. In dock, your ISK/resources aren't safe if you do market based activities.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
494
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:13:27 -
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Now, having said all that stuff about PVP in the game (I'm breaking this out as a different post) you can play the game solo and with a PVE play style by choice. This irks the living crap out of some other players and their play styles so they actively look for, fight, and campaign against that play style choice. These are the players that love HiSec gank mechanics, many/most War Dec Corps, etc. They feel the game is supposed to be all ship to ship PVP all the time. It's how they get their jollies.
If you choose to have an EVE PVE play style, then you must accept this risk as the cost of doing business and move on. Your best weapon is to IGNORE the 'I want to ruin your game' play stylers out there and just plan for them to pop up on occasion and take the steam out of your roll for a moment or two. If you really need to relate this back to other MMO's, call them a high level 'wandering world class monster' that obliterates you and your mission, you res and move on with your game.
Here's the reality check: Some CCP devs don't even like that PVE solo play style, the game isn't really designed to support it, however, it's a large chunk of the populace. Even in NullSec and some LoSec corps, these players have happily nested and put up with the occasional perturbances to their play style. Players call players of this play style (usually in HiSec) Carebears due to their lack of combativeness. They do exist in all Security areas of the game though.
My personal opinion is that all play styles are valid. It's a sandbox, thus playing your game your way is 'by definition'... allowed. So my only complaint is that people come here to the forums, to Reddit or Twitter and keep trying to voice some change to the game in the form of a whine or complaint, and it bothers me.
If all play styles are valid, it's okay to note some kind of problem with a mechanic or balance issue, but not okay to whine or complain that the game is hard. It's supposed to be hard. If you want easy, there are bunches of other MMO's out there for you.
It's you against the entire freaking universe in this game, that means it's your game to play your way but you have to own it. Go pound out your game, your way.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:15:13 -
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I think on the long run Wardecs as they are now, ganking as it is now and maybe other factors will slowly make the players you thing there are not suitable for a pvp game like Eve abandon the game and look for something else.
So I suppose you should be very happy for it, only true (not limited) pvp lovers will be here playing.
I have a different vision and would be happy to have also another kind of players but it's only my personal point of view. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
258
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:15:37 -
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Quote:The only thing that comes close to true other MMO PVE is mission running. The only drawback to that is that you can be sent on missions in dangerous PVP space so that kind of takes it out of true PVE. thats not even really true because you are still interacting with baiters, loot thieves, and salvage thieves and you still hve to deal with potential deccers and gankers.
The only truly pve aspect of this game is the project discovery in which you are not competing at all with other players and other players can, in no way, affect you doing that activity. |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1155
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:33:33 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:I think on the long run Wardecs as they are now, ganking as it is now and maybe other factors will slowly make the players you thing there are not suitable for a pvp game like Eve abandon the game and look for something else.
So I suppose you should be very happy for it, only true (not limited) pvp lovers will be here playing.
I have a different vision and would be happy to have also another kind of players but it's only my personal point of view.
And yet the game is over 10 years old and still going. People like the added challenge the nature of eve brings to the game. Plus, it allows for some truly unique events that do not occur in other games.
For example, at some points large groups attempted to stage a gank based interdiction of Jita. Any hauler going into it out of Jita was targeted for destruction. Granted, the interdiction was heavily announced, so many people were prepared. But even this preparation took many forms. Some used the war dec mechanic to declare war on the gankers to try and get easy kills. Others stock Jita and surrounding systems with the ships and modules used in a typical ganking ship in the hopes of making a profit. Others tried to setup regional trade hubs for more profit and some made more of the haulers that were destroyed believing that would be purchased as a replacement for lost ships.
That is part of what makes EVE unique. There are few other games where such unique gameplay exists. It creates entire new playstylies that people can experience. It's why many come here and many stay. So while some may not like this aspect, it is the very core that draws so many others to say this is the game for me and join in the fun. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
494
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:35:00 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote: thats not even really true because you are still interacting with baiters, loot thieves, and salvage thieves and you still hve to deal with potential deccers and gankers.
Not really. Once you know the tricks, they are easy to avoid. Sure, they're a challenge for the newbies but its easy to learn to spot the traps so you don't fall for them. As for the loot/salvage ninjas, they don't really hurt the bottom line much and they are pretty rare. They're just the guy that grabs the coin on the sidewalk before you and gives you a raspberry. You chuckle and move on. Decs and Ganking will always exist in HiSec, but you just change your behavior slightly and it's a non-issue. Thus my comments.
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The only truly pve aspect of this game is the project discovery in which you are not competing at all with other players and other players can, in no way, affect you doing that activity. I wasn't really counting that mini-game which I think of as an on-going charity event. So yes, I agree, the only competition there is bragging rights.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1056
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:55:19 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The only truly pve aspect of this game is the project discovery in which you are not competing at all with other players and other players can, in no way, affect you doing that activity.
Incorrect. You are in direct competition with other players when you do Project Discovery, as there is not an infinite market for the rewards which you earn.
There's nothing wrong with danger in Hi Sec - danger and risk is literally the only thing that makes anything you do in EvE valuable or exciting. If anything Hi Sec is far too safe given how rewarding it is, virtually zero risk, and some of the most rewarding PvE in the game, by far.
That being said, this also makes WarDecs one of the most hilariously broken violations of Risk ~ Reward in the game. Hi Sec incursions offer some of the most lucrative PvE in the game, at effectively zero risk to the player. Hi Sec Wardecs offer some of the most lucrative kill mails in the game, at effectively zero risk to the wardeccer. The logical conclusion is that you should be in a player corp if you want to earn CONCORD rewards from incursions, but at the same time actually make wardecs meaningful, where there is some risk to actually declaring war, thus there would be -player- enforcement of risk and reward.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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roberts dragon
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2016.08.03 07:52:53 -
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I would say the when I played runescape when you made law runes you there was gankers pk just waiting to kill you it was a easy kill it got so bad in the end jagex changed it and most of the gankers left the game wads left , so jagex did loose wads of cash but 100 million accounts later game is still going . the day they change the game for more safe pve in certain areas no ganking then half the players might leave the game so its a massive risk for ccp to much revenue loss could close them down . example if they lowered the price of plex then players would not be able to sell it on ebay then more revenue for ccp . so if you want a game model with safe areas you need to find better ways to get the pvp players onboard or it wont happen anytime soon . would also say long term future the game will have to move on after a while players move on many reasons so in time they will have to plan ahead with a formula to suit all this can be done like with some of the suggestions you have made . I haven't done no pvp in eve yet but are active alpha tester in total war arena and total war series also in world of warships so I do a bit of everything missing me mate hopes he come back .
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Igor Kozar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:43:12 -
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Mr. Day, whilst I can see what you want is for the cluster to be free of violence of any sort in hisec, do you not or did you not when you checked the box that you agreed to the Terms of Service? It tell you there that you accepted the consequences of being podded once you undock right?
As others have already stated and I too will tell you in a nice way of course, that you'll have to accept the fact that you are a target irregardless. Your points however and in pretty much all of it I disagree with.
Eve is a cold harsh reality, a sandbox. You can as others said already be/done anything you want to be/do. |
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup.Ru
166
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Posted - 2016.08.04 19:39:54 -
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Pilot Day, in a fair and unbias way there's has been in recent times from other new players such as you come to the forums and bring up this subject. Not so much as it had been, but the fact of the matter is that Eve is a sandbox. We have control over every facet you can think of to certain limits if I'm correct. There is risks, and there is rewards. No matter what path you choose or I chose to be a pirate, we both have our own destiny. We can make our legacy have far reaching impact within the cluster.
Being wardecced is not fun I agree, but it is a way of life for those of us who choose to wardec a corp. alliance, or even a coalition. I agree it does put a dent into your playtime and I symphathize with you, but I am not discouraged. If I undock and loose a ship, so what I can always reship and go again, provided of course if the undock is clear or not.
I hope you will sit back and take into account that you signed up to play, but you also need to realize the mantra of "Risk and Reward". Do I take risks to undock? yes very much so, do I get rewarded, very much so. Can I sit back at the end of my playtime and feel good about what I did, very much so. Even if I get podded, I don't even worry about the losses I just go on my merry way to another session knowing I can do something that I enjoy and feel good in the end. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1731
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Posted - 2016.08.10 10:30:08 -
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These threads make me wonder whether the people that don't want to get wardecced are aware of player Channels. Those work fine for the corps that want to play together, but don't want to form an alliance. Just stay in an NPC corp so you don't get corporate advantages and can't get wardecced. You either accept both those things or none at all. You can't have the advantages of something without accepting it's downsides. Use a Channel to socially group people, use Corporations to group them mechanically and elevate them to corporate warfare levels. It's that simple. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
730
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Posted - 2016.08.10 10:44:13 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:These threads make me wonder whether the people that don't want to get wardecced are aware of player Channels. Effort and responsibility....mostly responsibility.
If I'm going to expend effort, it's going to be to whinge about how I don't want to take responsibility. CCP should do it for me. I pay, therefore I'm entitled. |
Dwai Attic
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2016.08.10 10:56:28 -
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I hope CCP will remove highsec one day. Sure, there would be shortages of everything, but maybe that would be cool. You simply wouldn't have access to all the ships in Eve. As long as there'd be something to shoot people with, I'd be happy. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
385
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Posted - 2016.08.10 13:51:04 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:These threads make me wonder whether the people that don't want to get wardecced are aware of player Channels. Effort and responsibility....mostly responsibility. If I'm going to expend effort, it's going to be to whinge about how I don't want to take responsibility. CCP should do it for me. I pay, therefore I'm entitled. Mostly this.
Wardecced some corps, just to try it out as well as ease my newbie corpmates into PvP. The amount of stuff I have been called during those two weeks was incredible. It is not all highsec players that feel this way, but the ones I wardecced felt they were entitled to safety and we were being assholes for disrupting that peace.
As I explained to the CEOs of those corps, if you can't defend your corp and you tell your corpmates to stay docked and logged for the duration of a wardec, then you probably shouldn't create that corp in the first place. The worst thing is, that those CEOs are recruiting total newbies and then just leave them out to dry when conflict arrives. They don't give a damn about their corpmates. While I didn't get in contact with all the newbies, I did persuade one to leave the corp and seek out a better corp or look into EvE Uni. Damn, I hate those CEOs that just recruit newbies and tell them to go mine, while they just stay docked in some citadel and do jack **** themselves.
CEOs like those, are the reason why new players leave the game.
I persuaded 3 of my IRL friends to finally join me in EvE. Feeding them skill injects and blow up/getting blown up in lowsec and WHs, seems to be a great strategy to keep people playing EvE so far compared to leaving them alone mining in highsec.
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