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Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2137	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:11:43 - [211] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Dracvlad wrote: If you read anything I wrote on this you will find that I want the war dec fees reduced, the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities. I want that the war dec follows a character if he joins another player corp within the 7 days of leaving. On the other side I want something to balance off against perpetual war decs. I also want a OS that will give watch list functionality in a constellation which is vulnerable when active. Can I sigh now....? Sorry for not stalking you around, having read all your posts, having knowledge of your political views and perverse tendencies. Is it normal in your view, for other people to know exactly all of the details surrounding an internet persona? If you've posted it in this thread, then I can just say that I haven't read the whole thread through thoroughly, nor would I remember your specific view in a topic. While I know you do lurk around these forums a lot, I honestly don't find you interesting enough a character that I would note down in detail all your views and notions on game balance. Yes, you can sigh now, if it somehow makes you feel better. I just responded to part of your post. Cause it reminded me of the thousand complaints I have heard about wardec balance and how unfair it is to the defender. While in reality, it is quite the opposite. Well you have replied to me a few times and I have said that multiple times, but what ho. And by the way I have not accused you of doing a Jonah. The game is about balance so it is interesting to play, one cannot simply ignore the other persons point of view when looking at game balance, I went out of my way to understand Dirty Forum Alts point of view because he showed me something more in terms of his posts,, same thing with a couple of other war dec players. But I am happy to have shown you that this player (me) who is accused of wanting 100% security in hisec by people like Jonah is nothing of the sort. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17370	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:14:43 - [212] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Can I sigh now....? no because Quote: the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities. you just pulled that out of your arse. Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too... dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac. =]\|[=
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26594	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:16:49 - [213] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Well you have replied to me a few times and I have said that multiple times, but what ho. And by the way I have not accused you of doing a Jonah. The game is about balance so it is interesting to play, one cannot simply ignore the other persons point of view when looking at game balance, I went out of my way to understand Dirty Forum Alts point of view because he showed me something more in terms of his posts,, same thing with a couple of other war dec players. But I am happy to have shown you that this player (me) who is accused of wanting 100% security in hisec by people like Jonah is nothing of the sort. Regularly accuses me of being his own personal stalker, has an unhealthy obsession with me Ignoring the other players point of view is something you're pretty accomplished at by the way, you regularly do exactly that to people who manage to remain safe through their own efforts. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2137	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:17:10 - [214] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Dracvlad wrote: There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans. [Citation needed] Also still wondering how 1M cargo fits into a single DST, containers or no. Why? I am not giving that to you, do your own analysis. That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2137	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:18:28 - [215] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Can I sigh now....? no because Quote: the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities. you just pulled that out of your arse. Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too... dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac. Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Giaus Felix Hedion University Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:27:22 - [216] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too... dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac. Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed. Nobody is denying that mass deccing occurred before the watchlist changes, but there were other options. Now they're pretty much the only option, hence the use of the word "becomes". I am Ralph's junk DNA.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17371	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:27:27 - [217] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac. Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed. no ****, read what i actually typed rather than what you want to dismiss =]\|[=
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2137	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:30:41 - [218] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac. Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed. no ****, read what i actually typed rather than what you want to dismiss I disagree it was the main mode of operation before the watch list change and it happened because of the war dec fees being increased. That is my opinion, you have a different opinion. I was actually keeping a fairly close watch on war dec entities for the last 5 years because I was debating trying it out. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17843	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:31:04 - [219] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans. Its more likely they will earn isk if you have a 50% drop rate on 100 items than just one.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 90	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:34:09 - [220] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: I don't want your stuff. Can I have your SP instead, please? Can you share?
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17843	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:34:38 - [221] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat. 1 million still does not go into 60k.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2146	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:36:09 - [222] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Dracvlad wrote: That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat. 1 million still does not go into 60k. And I repeat most people do not use them. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17843	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:38:06 - [223] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: And I repeat most people do not use them. Then thats their fault.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14423	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:41:25 - [224] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. This is an example of "they didn't think it through". People have all sorts of ideas about stuff (even the DEVs), and they think it's a brilliant idea. Then that idea comes into contact with reality and does the exact opposite of what was intended. I remember the old pos based sov system everyone hated. Some of us predicted that Dominion's sov system would be a disaster, we were shouted down by the crowd that said "you just want to keep your advantages, you are scared of the idea of small entities being compettive in null sec!!". Result: The BLUE DONUT that was several times WORSE for small entities than the old sov. Those small group guys sure showed us....as they sold themselves into rental slavery just to stay in null sec LOL. Same with the Barge changes. "But more EHP will mean the gankers will have a harder time!!!" Result: WAY more ganking. "YEA! low slots for my Freighter! Eat it CODE" Result: "WTF you mean the ganked my empty freighter? WTF? They just don't get it. You cannot "legislate away" you enemies by lobbying CCP for changes. Enemies ADAPT and many times, the changes you think are going to help you end up SCREWING you. Hell, the 'bad guys' love a challenge.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 555	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:48:18 - [225] - Quote Yay! I'm finally with Jenn again! Agree with it entirely. You go girl! I also want to fully support the idea that lobbying CCP to change minor play points is problematic for the game. Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive. HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null. Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE. I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 8563	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:52:12 - [226] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Dracvlad wrote: There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans. [Citation needed] Also still wondering how 1M cargo fits into a single DST, containers or no. Why? I am not giving that to you, do your own analysis. That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat. Gotcha. Your claim is simply anecdotal, or pulled from your nether region. While all this rinse-repeat (as you say) is going on, the DST is a valid and vulnerable target. The claim that "most don't use them [containers]" is also just another claim made without supporting evidence. This is no different than miners who don't tank or go AFK, they made a choice for better or worse. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17843	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:54:21 - [227] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Yay! I'm finally with Jenn again! Agree with it entirely. You go girl! I also want to fully support the idea that lobbying CCP to change minor play points is problematic for the game. Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive. HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null. Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE. I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs. Ironically, ice miners had their best level of income back when ganking was a much bigger thing.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2148	Posted - 2016.08.12 16:54:40 - [228] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: dec fees increased , merc entities formed watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi. This is an example of "they didn't think it through". People have all sorts of ideas about stuff (even the DEVs), and they think it's a brilliant idea. Then that idea comes into contact with reality and does the exact opposite of what was intended. I remember the old pos based sov system everyone hated. Some of us predicted that Dominion's sov system would be a disaster, we were shouted down by the crowd that said "you just want to keep your advantages, you are scared of the idea of small entities being compettive in null sec!!". Result: The BLUE DONUT that was several times WORSE for small entities than the old sov. Those small group guys sure showed us....as they sold themselves into rental slavery just to stay in null sec LOL. Same with the Barge changes. "But more EHP will mean the gankers will have a harder time!!!" Result: WAY more ganking. "YEA! low slots for my Freighter! Eat it CODE" Result: "WTF you mean the ganked my empty freighter? WTF? They just don't get it. You cannot "legislate away" you enemies by lobbying CCP for changes. Enemies ADAPT and many times, the changes you think are going to help you end up SCREWING you. Hell, the 'bad guys' love a challenge. Starts off OK because the road to hell is paved with good intentions, generally tinkering with economics creates unforeseen consequences. Dominion was applied because people had the logistics nightmare of looking after POS's however the system before Dominion created some epic wars which were far better than what came afterwards. Barge changes, as normal completely misses the change to destroyer DPS which created the imbalance, typical Jenn, but in the end people now can chose tank over yield and there are still enough people around to gank going for yield. The balance is about right, only people moaning are gankers wanting to be able to easily gank every miner. Freighter low slots, I noticed a few people pushing that, made no difference to me at all at that point, they would still gank them, it was pretty evident to me. The gankers started ganking empty freighters when hyperdunking made them so rich it was silly. So when we talk about the consequences I have suggested I am pretty sure taht with Citadels they can get around them, just more skin in the game. The entire approach is to make it less of a cake walk for them and I have pointed out the areas that need adjustement, for me taht would pretty much sort it in my opinion, apart from the odd tweak afterwards. But Jenn of course misses it completely, just loves to say things like WTF and state the bleeding obvious missing key facts. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2148	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:02:29 - [229] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Yay! I'm finally with Jenn again! Agree with it entirely. You go girl! I also want to fully support the idea that lobbying CCP to change minor play points is problematic for the game. Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive. HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null. Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE. I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs. In terms of haulers, its checkmate with the Blackbird to point so the bumper can get on you, only way to get around that is gank the Blackbird, I don't have that number of accounts to do that and my friends don't play at the same time, result I sold the freighter. No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way. Mining, no problem for me, I jump in a Skiff and accept lower yield, but the gankers are whining about it being too tough. You cannot make ISK at the same rate as null, unless you do Incursions, but that is even more boring then doing level 4's. So mass war decs was not happening before the watch list change, pah!!!!! Total rubbish, I got a number of blanket war decs before the watch list changed. o7 When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26595	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:02:52 - [230] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive. Some claim mining and hauling is boring, which is why they do it AFK; and then they scream like stuck pigs when somebody comes along and makes it less boring Quote: HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null. Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE. Some would disagree, making it harder for others to enliven or interfere in their gameplay is CCPs responsibility, not theirs (this is sarcasm for the hard of reading) Quote: I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs. Unfortunately putting the genie back into the bottle is going to be nigh on impossible, the bottle is already full of the tears caused by blanket wardecs. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17376	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:08:29 - [231] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: But Jenn of course misses it completely, just loves to say things like WTF and state the bleeding obvious missing key facts. thats considerably better than dismissing them as " differing opinion" and spouting such misinterpreted half-truths as to have the cause and effect of two separate mechanic changes (4 yearsapart from one another) arse backward . =]\|[=
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17376	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:12:29 - [232] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Quote: I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs. Unfortunately putting the genie back into the bottle is going to be nigh on impossible, the bottle is already full of the tears caused by the increase in blanket wardecs. i dare say i know a couple of people who would gleefully rip those apart if they knew they wouldn't be replaced before the next downtime =]\|[=
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2148	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:24:12 - [233] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: But Jenn of course misses it completely, just loves to say things like WTF and state the bleeding obvious missing key facts. thats considerably better than dismissing them as " differing opinion" and spouting such misinterpreted half-truths as to have the cause and effect of two separate mechanic changes (4 yearsapart from one another) arse backward . The change in war dec fees was the start of a major change, also war dec entities wanted to get bigger to be more effective, so they needed content to shoot and the easy content was shooting idiot 0.0 players around the pipes and Hubs. This now cost a lot of ISK so caused a consolidation into bigger entities which had more people so created the need to mass war dec. The mass war decs were well established as the main way to operate before the watch list change. Mass war decs go back to the Orphanage which perfected it before the war dec fee changed. Initially the war dec fee caused an issue for them as their main prey was the 0.0 alliances. After that people came in to bank roll the war decs and certain entities then started to get into the swing of it, Marmite being one. Other war dec entities started to increase the war decs, looking at people moving through the pipes with freighters and Orcs and war decking them. That was my first war dec as Second-Dawn because a certain person saw me webbing an Orca with a Loki, I knew the person as a war decker and he passed me in local and then bang I had a ward dec, I laughed... You might say that was targeted, LOL... Of course after the watch list change it became the only way, but there was so many people doing mass war decs before the watch list change. So the change towards the larger entities happened before the watch list change. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17381	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:45:28 - [234] - Quote https://media.giphy.com/media/NHIecaiSc7YjK/giphy.gif =]\|[=
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1837	Posted - 2016.08.12 17:45:37 - [235] - Quote Sandy Point wrote: self-entitled garbage I don't have to show you anything, moron. Hisec is much more safe now then it used to be. This is an indisputable FACT. Deal with it. Or not, as the case may be. Used to be, you could avoid CONCORD after a gank. Used to be, you could fight CONCORD....and win. Now, you can't. So sorry, you don't win a copy of our crappy consolation prize, k'thanxbye. Moron. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Solecist Project 32031	Posted - 2016.08.12 18:11:34 - [236] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: Sandy Point wrote: self-entitled garbage I don't have to show you anything, moron. Hisec is much more safe now then it used to be. This is an indisputable FACT. Deal with it. Or not, as the case may be. Used to be, you could avoid CONCORD after a gank. Used to be, you could fight CONCORD....and win. Now, you can't. So sorry, you don't win a copy of our crappy consolation prize, k'thanxbye. Moron. And every time they nerfed us ... ... they nerfed unpredictabilities that could have happened. And one can not say a word ... ... without having all the self-entitled sesselfurzer coming out of their holes. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Solecist Project 32031	Posted - 2016.08.12 18:13:41 - [237] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: https://media.giphy.com/media/NHIecaiSc7YjK/giphy.gif This is a great gif. Made me laugh! Thanks! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2148	Posted - 2016.08.12 19:17:25 - [238] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: Sandy Point wrote: self-entitled garbage I don't have to show you anything, moron. Hisec is much more safe now then it used to be. This is an indisputable FACT. Deal with it. Or not, as the case may be. Used to be, you could avoid CONCORD after a gank. Used to be, you could fight CONCORD....and win. Now, you can't. So sorry, you don't win a copy of our crappy consolation prize, k'thanxbye. Moron. Rubbish, you say hisec is safer because you cannot run away from CONCORD ROFL... When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1838	Posted - 2016.08.12 19:23:46 - [239] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Rubbish, you say hisec is safer because you cannot run away from CONCORD ROFL... It's safer, moron, because back when you could dodge CONCORD there was no guarantee you would lose your ship after the attack. So there was an element of risk, and people would attack you with ships that may not have been the most optimum. Nowadays, you know the ship is gone, so you plan for it. Or in the case of CODE, get reimbursed. Not very smart , are you? Nullbears, I swear. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2148	Posted - 2016.08.12 19:40:22 - [240] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Rubbish, you say hisec is safer because you cannot run away from CONCORD ROFL... It's safer, moron, because back when you could dodge CONCORD there was no guarantee you would lose your ship after the attack. So there was an element of risk, and people would attack you with ships that may not have been the most optimum. Nowadays, you know the ship is gone, so you plan for it. Or in the case of CODE, get reimbursed. Not very smart , are you? Nullbears, I swear. So when exactly did this change to CONCORD take place? When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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