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Sustrai Aditua Intandofisa 451	Posted - 2016.07.24 01:53:30 - [91] - Quote Elsia Browne wrote: I CALL BS! TOTAL F'n BS! Thanks. Another intelligent person stands up to the blizzard of bovine scatology. Noooooo, they're not REALLY saying "Play any way you want as long as it's the way I want." Nuuuuuuuu.... They're being "rational" and "logical" and all that -al stuff! If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 269	Posted - 2016.07.24 02:09:34 - [92] - Quote Decaneos wrote: TO be fair to the game, you pay a bribe to allow concord to turn a blind eye to a war, so why can you not bribe concord to not let it happen? While it is an interesting and amusing idea, I don't see it as a good idea as either there would be no wars, or the bid/counterbid game would lead to only one or two entities able to play at war games.
Jasmine Deer Perkone Caldari State 20	Posted - 2016.07.24 02:39:50 - [93] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting. That is true. Some players see the forums as part of the meta-game. I'm just wondering if it is healthy for forum discussion and fostering a sense of community in general for experienced, well resourced players to be targeting players in-game just because they express a contrary opinion.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 16984	Posted - 2016.07.24 04:04:21 - [94] - Quote Jasmine Deer wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting. That is true. Some players see the forums as part of the meta-game. I'm just wondering if it is healthy for forum discussion and fostering a sense of community in general for experienced, well resourced players to be targeting players in-game just because they express a contrary opinion. yes, this is eve. when your stated opinion is " one more nerfGäó " to a beleaguered play style you should expect reprisals. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 627	Posted - 2016.07.24 05:23:41 - [95] - Quote Decaneos wrote: TO be fair to the game, you pay a bribe to allow concord to turn a blind eye to a war, so why can you not bribe concord to not let it happen? Because CONCORD only accepts bribes to not do their work. They respond by default. We don't need to pay them more ISK to do what they already do, only to not do it.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 13861	Posted - 2016.07.24 06:14:16 - [96] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Decaneos wrote: TO be fair to the game, you pay a bribe to allow concord to turn a blind eye to a war, so why can you not bribe concord to not let it happen? Because CONCORD only accepts bribes to not do their work. They respond by default. We don't need to pay them more ISK to do what they already do, only to not do it. You seem to forgot that if someone comes to CONCORD and wants wardeck they have to send mail to you, and declare something. Having doors shut for every such client who comes and wants something is actually less work. So bribing them to not do their work would work in this case. Less work for CONCORD. Move to null if you want war then. Actually CCP may be on the tracks there. I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4994	Posted - 2016.07.24 09:21:53 - [97] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: I had a silly idea when I read the OP. What if you could pay off concord? [snip] Yes, that is what a war dec is essentially. Somebody has paid CONCORD to look the other way when they come to shoot your stuff. Yes but if you hadnt "snipped" and instead read you wouldve read a funny idea to turn that pay off into both an isk sink and an interesting lil mini game, a psychological game of isk "chicken" between players, corps or alliances..... good thing you dont read much though... It already is an ISK sink. Mini games tend to suck. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2368	Posted - 2016.07.24 09:30:57 - [98] - Quote In my experience, if you're not a schlong and you don't draw attentuon to yourself you're unlikely to be decced if your corp remains small. Of course you won't prevent random decs, but the key to not being redecced is to not be a johnson about it vocally and not lose shiny stuff. Don't give people a reason to redec you, basically. It's only a week, after all. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 28	Posted - 2016.07.24 10:14:11 - [99] - Quote Mortlake wrote: In my experience, if you're not a schlong and you don't draw attentuon to yourself you're unlikely to be decced if your corp remains small. Of course you won't prevent random decs, but the key to not being redecced is to not be a johnson about it vocally and not lose shiny stuff. Don't give people a reason to redec you, basically. It's only a week, after all. lol I would like you to experience a different situation: You have a job and your boss comes to you and says... "I will not pay you a week of your monthly job.....but it's only a week after all !" Same goes for the many players that dock for a week of paid subscription to avoid being blamed if their corps is chain-decced for he lost a ship during wardec....
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1441	Posted - 2016.07.24 11:04:14 - [100] - Quote So you want all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? Ok. Oh, i'm mentally pathological and people who don't want to be subject to wardecs are victims, right? When you call someone flawed because they disagree with you, that's totalitarianism. Announcing you're a victim is utterly meaningless, but very modern. Here's your solution for the pesky wardec problem... i end about half my posts with it... ...wait for it... get out of empire. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2368	Posted - 2016.07.24 11:06:39 - [101] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Mortlake wrote: In my experience, if you're not a schlong and you don't draw attentuon to yourself you're unlikely to be decced if your corp remains small. Of course you won't prevent random decs, but the key to not being redecced is to not be a johnson about it vocally and not lose shiny stuff. Don't give people a reason to redec you, basically. It's only a week, after all. You have a job and your boss comes to you and says... Stopped reading there. This is a game. Stop being a victim and adapt. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1441	Posted - 2016.07.24 11:07:41 - [102] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: I would like you to experience a different situation: You have a job and your boss comes to you and says... "I will not pay you a week of your monthly job.....but it's only a week after all !" Same goes for the many players that dock for a week of paid subscription to avoid being blamed if their corps is chain-decced for he lost a ship during wardec.... Your approach to this game is all wrong. It's not a job. Wardecs are not some surprise condition that was sprung on anybody. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 28	Posted - 2016.07.24 11:53:44 - [103] - Quote Nah, I'm not a victim and I perfectly know it's a game. I make it more simple then: Persons like to spend their money, they usually don't like to waste them. The wardec how it's now forces them to dock up ( or renounce to the social aspect of the game ), so they feel they waste one week of paid subscription money. I'm a seller in RL, I think it's a basic concept and it's so incredible to me seeing CCP developers being ok with this situation. Really incredible. Obviously hisec wargankers will not agree....
Morgan Agrivar Peace.Keepers 376	Posted - 2016.07.24 11:54:42 - [104] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Mortlake wrote: In my experience, if you're not a schlong and you don't draw attentuon to yourself you're unlikely to be decced if your corp remains small. Of course you won't prevent random decs, but the key to not being redecced is to not be a johnson about it vocally and not lose shiny stuff. Don't give people a reason to redec you, basically. It's only a week, after all. lol I would like you to experience a different situation: You have a job and your boss comes to you and says... "I will not pay you a week of your monthly job.....but it's only a week after all !" Same goes for the many players that dock for a week of paid subscription to avoid being blamed if their corps is chain-decced for he lost a ship during wardec.... People who lose a ship to a wardec from one of the major merc alliances were not paying attention and do not need further protection, for they deserved to lose said ship. Most ship losses (especially mining barges and exhumers) could be avoided just by watching local and being pre-aligned to the station. While traveling, avoid choke points like Uedama and anywhere within three jumps of a major trade hub. Seriously, it is not that difficult. Wardecs are part of life in New Eden. Instead of whining about it, why don't you spend about 10-20m isk and fit a bunch of cheap T1 frigs and destroyers and go hunt those bastards who wardecced you! If you show these guys your balls and slap them in the face with them, they might think twice about messing with your corp again. You never know, you just might like it...like I did. I will never return to the life of mining and industry. That was soul draining and listless career. This would cure me of the fear... CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 13867	Posted - 2016.07.24 12:18:00 - [105] - Quote I think people who said you can dock up already have PLEXED accounts for a long time, like me. I can dock up for 4 years. If that would be one month left, and subscription running out, and wardeck can be extended to 2 weeks, Industrial character, I would not bother docking, I would not bother playing really. I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2371	Posted - 2016.07.24 13:29:33 - [106] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Nah, I'm not a victim and I perfectly know it's a game. I make it more simple then: Persons like to spend their money, they usually don't like to waste them. The wardec how it's now forces them to dock up ( or renounce to the social aspect of the game ), so they feel they waste one week of paid subscription money. I'm a seller in RL, I think it's a basic concept and it's so incredible to me seeing CCP developers being ok with this situation. Really incredible. Obviously hisec wargankers will not agree.... First of all, nobody is interested in what you do IRL. It's your choice to dock up. Nobody is forcing you to. How about... Jump clones? Insta docks and undocks? Scouts? Wormhole traversal? NPC corps? Alt corps? Stabs? Cloaks? Actually growing a pair and fighting back ? Just how many tools do you want to enable you to continue playing? What social aspects are they losing by having to drop corp for a week? None. They still have comms, they can create another channel in game to chat if they don't have comms, they can still mine or mission together in an NPC corp or alt corp of their choice. Most opportunistic decs won't interfere with your installations, meaning you can still leave holding characters in to manage jobs etc. It's been like it for years, wars have been around for years and people like you have been around for years. What I think is so incredible is that despite your ilk being pandered to (and yes, you have) on many occasions it's still not enough. EVE was never meant to be Whimsydale and Bob willing it never will be. You are provided with a myriad of opportunities and tools to make isk in a relatively safe environment and yet that's still not enough. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 627	Posted - 2016.07.24 13:52:50 - [107] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Decaneos wrote: TO be fair to the game, you pay a bribe to allow concord to turn a blind eye to a war, so why can you not bribe concord to not let it happen? Because CONCORD only accepts bribes to not do their work. They respond by default. We don't need to pay them more ISK to do what they already do, only to not do it. So bribing them to not do their work would work in this case. Less work for CONCORD. Isn't that what I said? I thought so. Nana Skalski wrote: Move to null if you want war then. Wardecs don't apply at all to nullsec. They aren't needed, because there is no CONCORD. Wardecs only apply to highsec. As to me moving to null, just check my killboard (or lossboard) to see where I play. So easy to do before making dumb comments.
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 237	Posted - 2016.07.24 14:42:18 - [108] - Quote Hmmm... Could a non-deccable corp be in an alliance deccable one? 'Cause Gadget-corp would love to have a transport arm that displays our logo and not some random NPC corp... Y'know... since non-deccable corps would suddenly be full of freighter pilots. --Gadget Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 13875	Posted - 2016.07.24 17:17:20 - [109] - Quote Presumably non decable corp could be in nondecable alliance. They would just not be wartargets. Other, decable would be. If alliance would have only nondecable corps, the alliance would not be decable. CIVILIANS and Military wings of alliance could be created this way. Of course this would work only in high sec. I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Spaceship Samurai 941	Posted - 2016.07.24 17:17:42 - [110] - Quote theres pve games for that stuff eve is for pvp. Even when you're ratting, the pvp element is there to provide players with excitement. This is what eve was designed to be. Please stop invading my game and trying to change it into something it isnt. You dont see me playing WOW, demanding that blizzard turn it into permadeath pvp, do you? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 13886	Posted - 2016.07.24 17:32:20 - [111] - Quote Sorry, but this game is changing constantly, and they always wanted more players to stay. And I dont know other way they could appeal to non niche gamer. I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Lex Gabinia Res Repetundae 28	Posted - 2016.07.24 21:04:01 - [112] - Quote It is often said in these forums that any playstyle is valid. I think, perhaps, this adage is missing one important qualifier. Perhaps it should be that any playstyle is valid that fits within the confines of the games founding principles and mechanics. This seems to be more accurate.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1442	Posted - 2016.07.24 23:06:04 - [113] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: ... I'm a seller in RL, I think it's a basic concept .... I see, then i'll make this plain and country simple. Wardecs do not force docking up , pvp or any kind of behaviour. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Jasmine Deer Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2016.07.24 23:55:53 - [114] - Quote Mortlake wrote: What social aspects are they losing by having to drop corp for a week? None. They still have comms, they can create another channel in game to chat if they don't have comms, they can still mine or mission together in an NPC corp or alt corp of their choice. Most opportunistic decs won't interfere with your installations, meaning you can still leave holding characters in to manage jobs etc. While I agree with this , in practice there is usually some corp membership leakage of players who decide to stay in an npc corp, change corp or drop out altogether. For new corps this can prove quite disruptive. You can say those corps are doomed to fail, poorly led, etc but the point still stands that when a wardec comes along it is rarely without negative impact to the social aspect of corp life for beginner corps.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4996	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:43:30 - [115] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Nah, I'm not a victim and I perfectly know it's a game. I make it more simple then: Persons like to spend their money, they usually don't like to waste them. The wardec how it's now forces them to dock up ( or renounce to the social aspect of the game ), so they feel they waste one week of paid subscription money. I'm a seller in RL, I think it's a basic concept and it's so incredible to me seeing CCP developers being ok with this situation. Really incredible. Obviously hisec wargankers will not agree.... War decs do not force anyone to dock up. That is a choice. You couldn't be more wrong. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4996	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:45:53 - [116] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: I think people who said you can dock up already have PLEXED accounts for a long time, like me. I can dock up for 4 years. If that would be one month left, and subscription running out, and wardeck can be extended to 2 weeks, Industrial character, I would not bother docking, I would not bother playing really. I'm sorry, but what? It isn't a question of whether or not I can afford to dock up for a period of time, but do I want to not play the game or play the game. You...you dock up. Because you do not want to play Eve Online....at least not how the developers created it. I on the other hand do, and have no issues dealing with a war dec. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4997	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:48:01 - [117] - Quote Jasmine Deer wrote: Mortlake wrote: What social aspects are they losing by having to drop corp for a week? None. They still have comms, they can create another channel in game to chat if they don't have comms, they can still mine or mission together in an NPC corp or alt corp of their choice. Most opportunistic decs won't interfere with your installations, meaning you can still leave holding characters in to manage jobs etc. While I agree with this , in practice there is usually some corp membership leakage of players who decide to stay in an npc corp, change corp or drop out altogether. For new corps this can prove quite disruptive. You can say those corps are doomed to fail, poorly led, etc but the point still stands that when a wardec comes along it is rarely without negative impact to the social aspect of corp life for beginner corps. So? If the players were that weak kneed to begin with, then maybe staying in an NPC corp is what they should have done to begin with. There is a perfectly valid mechanic for avoiding any and all war decs: NPC corps. Does it put constraints on players? Sure. But holy Hell...stop wanting everything handed to you on a platter. This is not a game where the developers hold your hands and pat your poo-poo when things get a little bit rough. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4997	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:50:06 - [118] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Sorry, but this game is changing constantly, and they always wanted more players to stay. And I dont know other way they could appeal to non niche gamer. Explain number of players logged on from 2005-2010 when it was growing and war decs were cheaper and ganking was easier (i.e. you got insurance AND the loot)? "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Lex Gabinia Res Repetundae 29	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:54:45 - [119] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Sorry, but this game is changing constantly, and they always wanted more players to stay. And I dont know other way they could appeal to non niche gamer. Explain number of players logged on from 2005-2010 when it was growing and war decs were cheaper and ganking was easier (i.e. you got insurance AND the loot)? I think I figured it out. This all stems from those damn participation medals and ribbons they started giving out to the younger generation. Everyone is a winner these days and there are no losers. That age group is now starting to play online games and bring those same expectations with them
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17013	Posted - 2016.07.25 01:57:21 - [120] - Quote Jasmine Deer wrote: Mortlake wrote: What social aspects are they losing by having to drop corp for a week? None. They still have comms, they can create another channel in game to chat if they don't have comms, they can still mine or mission together in an NPC corp or alt corp of their choice. Most opportunistic decs won't interfere with your installations, meaning you can still leave holding characters in to manage jobs etc. While I agree with this , in practice there is usually some corp membership leakage of players who decide to stay in an npc corp, change corp or drop out altogether. For new corps this can prove quite disruptive. You can say those corps are doomed to fail, poorly led, etc but the point still stands that when a wardec comes along it is rarely without negative impact to the social aspect of corp life for beginner corps. and ... its perfectly legitimate gameplay to grind a corp to a messy pulp for making a "de jue claim" on the wrong system , or mouthing off to the wrong people because they are a corp, who gives a **** if their feelings get hurt , they said they were ready for it when they formed up, had every available opportunity to fold and reform or just plain leave the war at no cost to themselves whatsoever. to quote brokk "Training wheels got to come off some time" , forming a corp is exactly that. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=

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