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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.08.12 19:46:28 -
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Faceroll is a WoWism that came from when Hunters were so OP a player actually remapped his entire keyboard to a macro that set the 'perfect' shooting rotation on a Boss target and he [literally rolled his face across the keyboard the whole fight and took top DPS doing it. I'm not sure if the video is the original version of the term or a demonstration of it.
I don't know if anything in EVE that is 'faceroll' worthy. AFK mining is a reality but it's not the same thing as faceroll combat. The closest I can think of is the 'F1 monkey' term. I can't relate to that term because I'm busy as heck in a fight so it's far more than F1-F6 for me, it's a lot of clicking, tracking changes, etc. I'm probably inefficient but the flow works for me right now.
Look guys, please don't let this devolve further than it has.
Miners and haulers have valid play styles. CCP could do a lot more to make it more fun and entertaining for them. This would involve a change to the nature of mining and make it more active, like having asteroids that slowly reduce yield the closer it gets to 'zero' so you'd always be scanning and moving to the juiciest target. Same goes with hauling. You could have hauling drones, which would be nothing more than sensor drones with jump capabilities. You jump one ahead of you and keep one trailing behind you. This way you don't need an alt to clear the way, or make combat ones with AI so they could auto engage gankers bumping you without triggering Concord on you, but maybe they still show up and wipe out the drone. This way Concord has been effectively 'summoned' to wherever you are for the cost of a drone. Concord could charge the hauler a fee for 'disturbing the peace' and if the hauler does it a second time, they take a portion of the haul as a penalty eventually emptying the loot pinata making it less gank worthy but at least the hauler doesn't lose the ship. Even the gankers could change the nature of their play and say "Hey, we have you cold. Give us half your haul and we'll escort you the rest of the way to make sure you get there safe." The hauler loses some but not all, and keeps the ship. The gankers only get half if the ship is torched anyway, so it's about as close to a win-win as there is in EVE PvP. The point is there are a ton of ways to make the game more interesting all the way around without hurting any particular play style.
If you are going to push for changes in EVE, make sure they have little to no impact on other play styles. No style is superior to another one.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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Natural CloneKiller
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
153
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Posted - 2016.08.12 19:53:22 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Faceroll is a WoWism that came from when Hunters were so OP a player actually remapped his entire keyboard to a macro that set the 'perfect' shooting rotation on a Boss target and he [literally rolled his face across the keyboard the whole fight and took top DPS doing it. I'm not sure if the video is the original version of the term or a demonstration of it. I don't know if anything in EVE that is 'faceroll' worthy. AFK mining is a reality but it's not the same thing as faceroll combat. The closest I can think of is the 'F1 monkey' term. I can't relate to that term because I'm busy as heck in a fight so it's far more than F1-F6 for me, it's a lot of clicking, tracking changes, etc. I'm probably inefficient but the flow works for me right now. Look guys, please don't let this devolve further than it has. Miners and haulers have valid play styles. CCP could do a lot more to make it more fun and entertaining for them. This would involve a change to the nature of mining and make it more active, like having asteroids that slowly reduce yield the closer it gets to 'zero' so you'd always be scanning and moving to the juiciest target. Same goes with hauling. You could have hauling drones, which would be nothing more than sensor drones with jump capabilities. You jump one ahead of you and keep one trailing behind you. This way you don't need an alt to clear the way, or make combat ones with AI so they could auto engage gankers bumping you without triggering Concord on you, but maybe they still show up and wipe out the drone. This way Concord has been effectively 'summoned' to wherever you are for the cost of a drone. Concord could charge the hauler a fee for 'disturbing the peace' and if the hauler does it a second time, they take a portion of the haul as a penalty eventually emptying the loot pinata making it less gank worthy but at least the hauler doesn't lose the ship. Even the gankers could change the nature of their play and say "Hey, we have you cold. Give us half your haul and we'll escort you the rest of the way to make sure you get there safe." The hauler loses some but not all, and keeps the ship. The gankers only get half if the ship is torched anyway, so it's about as close to a win-win as there is in EVE PvP. The point is there are a ton of ways to make the game more interesting all the way around without hurting any particular play style. If you are going to push for changes in EVE, make sure they have little to no impact on other play styles. No style is superior to another one. M8ners and haulers do hire our services to escort or protect their assets. |

Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
559
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Posted - 2016.08.12 20:17:20 -
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Natural CloneKiller wrote:M8ners and haulers do hire our services to escort or protect their assets.
Yes, and that's perfectly fine and one of many things that could happen for protection. The miners (and admitted rare haulers) that come and pitch a fit here about how dangerous HiSec is are the ones that need to relax and start hiring your services.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
733
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Posted - 2016.08.13 04:14:55 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:https://media.giphy.com/media/NHIecaiSc7YjK/giphy.gif This is a great gif. Made me laugh! Thanks! ****** Robot Girl is the best (along with Physics Girl):
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
424
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Posted - 2016.08.13 04:25:15 -
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Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
I have removed the offending content, and those quoting it.
I have also removed a few off topic remarks.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
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I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
733
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Posted - 2016.08.13 04:25:43 -
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Dracvlad wrote:No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way Yes, but many of us wish you would just do that in private instead of all over the forum. |

Solecist Project
32033
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Posted - 2016.08.13 06:54:35 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dracvlad wrote:No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way Yes, but it would be better if you just do that in private instead of all over the forum. That would clash with his need to expose his ego and how knowledgable he is.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2148
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:19:55 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dracvlad wrote:No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way Yes, but it would be better if you just do that in private instead of all over the forum. That would clash with his need to expose his ego and how knowledgable he is.
Flog means to sell something in the UK, obviously you are a Septic and do not understand such words going towards your own inadequacies instead.
Surely you are talking about Jenn a'Snide..., he is so great he does not get his bling fitted Macherial ganked by CODE, I am in awe of such brilliance, especially when CODE don't gank mission boats in the main... That still has me chuckling every time I think about it...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Solecist Project
32034
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:21:53 -
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You really just prove my point. If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...
You and Jenn have a lot in common. :)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2148
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:25:18 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Natural CloneKiller wrote:M8ners and haulers do hire our services to escort or protect their assets. Yes, and that's perfectly fine and one of many things that could happen for protection. The miners (and admitted rare haulers) that come and pitch a fit here about how dangerous HiSec is are the ones that need to relax and start hiring your services.
I think you will find this is a complete non-starter, first of all the price would be way above what miners and haulers could afford, secondly while I could see mercs jmping with a freighter and perhaps ganking the blackbird, I cannot see them sitting at a belt protecting a miner for hours on end.
But Vendetta are a more serious merc group so I could be wrong in terms of them. Other mercs told me in no uncertain terms that due to the boring nature of convoy or guard duty that the price would be very high because they see themselves as hunter killers.
In 0.0 there is not exactly a rush of people willing to protect mining ships by the way.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2149
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:48:11 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You really just prove my point. If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...
You and Jenn have a lot in common. :)
Not so much, I only say what I have done in game when challenged, but that makes me the same as that other windbag, well if you say so. But in these forums one has to give as good as you get and I judged your comment as attacking me and not what I said on the subject matter, then you try to say its is me being childish for being humorous, though I did appreciate you calling a'Snide out like that. Anyway if people are rude and offensive to me I give it back.
The top sentence in my reply was aimed at Shae who was being especially childish.
EDIT: Point taken on your reply, sometimes I am a bit too combative, I will try to do better.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Solecist Project
32040
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:57:34 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You really just prove my point. If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...
You and Jenn have a lot in common. :) Not so much, I only say what I have done in game when challenged, but that makes me the same as that other windbag, well if you say so. But in these forums one has to give as good as you get and I judged your comment as attacking me and not what I said on the subject matter, then you try to say its is me being childish for being humorous, though I did appreciate you calling a'Snide out like that. Anyway if people are rude and offensive to me I give it back. The top sentence in my reply was aimed at Shae who was being especially childish. Now you only need to realize when you're the one who starts being rude and all is well again. Yeah you do that.
Anyhow, enough derailment. It's an old habit i need to get rid of.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
386
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Posted - 2016.08.13 09:32:02 -
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This thread needs a comforting hug. Badly...
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3445
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Posted - 2016.08.13 11:15:25 -
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I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people!
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
735
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Posted - 2016.08.13 11:48:25 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dracvlad wrote:No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way Yes, but it would be better if you just do that in private instead of all over the forum. That would clash with his need to expose his ego and how knowledgable he is. ...obviously you ... do not understand such words going towards your own inadequacies instead. To react with like that suggests you knew the alternate meaning of what I quoted, which itself implies I understood what I wrote.
As usual, you are self evidently wrong. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2150
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Posted - 2016.08.13 12:00:02 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people!
Or perhaps it is we never understand why people declare war on someone and don't do anything, silly people...
Actually more important is people who fail to do any analysis of their prey before declaring war, so they then find absoultely nothing to shoot....
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
387
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Posted - 2016.08.13 22:34:18 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people! Or perhaps it is we never understand why people declare war on someone and don't do anything, silly people... Actually more important is people who fail to do any analysis of their prey before declaring war, so they then find absoultely nothing to shoot.... Yeah I learned that the hard way.
Make sure they are active before you declare war on a corp. 
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Bishop Bob
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
20
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Posted - 2016.08.13 22:49:50 -
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Dave Day wrote:....I think it would be a great idea if CCP allowed corps who have no interest in pvp to ...?
Only if you don't get any of the advantages of playing against other players, so no market, mails, chat or contracts from anyone outside the community that wants to be excluded from PvP, either. You will have to do EVERYTHING yourself, you can't choose to get the benefits without the disadvantages, |

Natural CloneKiller
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
153
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Posted - 2016.08.15 08:30:49 -
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The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2165
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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:15:59 -
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Natural CloneKiller wrote:The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow.
That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved.
1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however.
2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances
3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp.
4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Natural CloneKiller
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
154
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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:41:21 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Natural CloneKiller wrote:The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow. That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved. 1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however. 2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances 3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp. 4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers.
1. Small indy corps can get help or they can learn how to fight back. This is eve and the beauty of eve is it is a pvp world weather you like it or not. To take that away takes the foundations out of the game. Yes there are ways to get rid of decs like dropping corp but the bottom line is no space is safe space.
2. Sure I'll go with that but I think the cost is about right. We spend billions each week on wars and there should be a cost to this. We need to make sure there is an income source to pay for this.
3. Agree. But hard to code I think as dropping into neutral corp first then joining would avoid that.
4. I like the new changes to the watch list. In my view get rid of local all together. Make it more realistic! Not sure of your idea but I'll have a read when I have more time. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2165
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Posted - 2016.08.15 10:39:31 -
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Natural CloneKiller wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Natural CloneKiller wrote:The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow. That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved. 1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however. 2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances 3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp. 4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers. 1. Small indy corps can get help or they can learn how to fight back. This is eve and the beauty of eve is it is a pvp world weather you like it or not. To take that away takes the foundations out of the game. Yes there are ways to get rid of decs like dropping corp but the bottom line is no space is safe space. 2. Sure I'll go with that but I think the cost is about right. We spend billions each week on wars and there should be a cost to this. We need to make sure there is an income source to pay for this. 3. Agree. But hard to code I think as dropping into neutral corp first then joining would avoid that. 4. I like the new changes to the watch list. In my view get rid of local all together. Make it more realistic! Not sure of your idea but I'll have a read when I have more time.
Item 4. links to 1., you have to get a mentality to fight back, back into hisec, this is a suggestion to create something that those who want to shoot can at least cause some sort of impact from it, from that point maybe something will develop in terms of 1.
But if it is chasing GTFO ships or meeting one of your bimg and neutral RR fleets they will not bother.
But to keep that corp war decked is just going to kill them and make some leave the game, you cannot ignore that impact, though in truth I noted that the majority of your better kills are on 0.0 alliances.
2. The issue is that cost increase pushed it towards bigger entities and caused a stagnation.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Faylee Freir
Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group
252
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Posted - 2016.08.15 13:07:23 -
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No.
I can explain why, but its a waste of time.
HTFU
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2169
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Posted - 2016.08.15 13:46:47 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:No.
I can explain why, but its a waste of time.
Well that was most un-enlightening. Do you think it is not worth doing because hisec carebears are too far gone, do you think that limiting the number of people who you can blanket war dec and hope they go through the pipes will diminish your ability to get a few kills. In any case most of your meaningful kills are from 0.0 alliances.
I will be pushing the OS structure with the CSM, because it is key intel which you should not get on a plate like it was before, but you have to earn it and it has to cost you something. CCP will be using an OS to give local data in 0.0, just so you are aware of where this is going.
You want that intel you should have to defend the assets that give it to you.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17424
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Posted - 2016.08.15 13:54:59 -
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no because he can see going round and round the merry go round with you is a waste of time.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2169
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:02:51 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no because he can see going round and round the merry go round with you is a waste of time.
Well from my prespective this is because you lot like to run around without a care in the world blapping stuff, I bet part of the reason they don't like it is that they will end up with some red on the killboard and people can cause them some inconvenience back.
Of course you don't like it, but you should not get free intel like the watch list without effort or risk. And the very act of doing this might develop a different attitude in hisec towards war decs.
But easier to attack the messenger rather than the idea. CCP is using the same mechanicsm for local in null sec going forward and that is a good thing.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17426
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:23:46 -
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well from anyone elses its because you are going to have whatever damn conversation you want, regardless of what any of us type.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2172
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:35:14 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:well from anyone elses its because you are going to have whatever damn conversation you want, regardless of what any of us type.
That is because I am looking for feed back other than I don't like it as it is fail harden up you damn carebear, or I don't like you so I will suggest you are on meds type rubbish which is the norm for the Eve forums.
In all the time I have floated this idea I have had not one single good reason why it is a bad idea, I even got some good feed back from Shae on making it less vulnerable which is why I suggested that it be vulnerable when active. So when you have finished your hard days mission baiting or roaming hunting you can send in an alt or use your main and turn the beauty off and it will be there for you the next day all safe and sound.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26600
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:43:17 -
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What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target one particular type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all is disingenuous.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2016.08.15 14:54:58 -
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Dracvlad wrote:In all the time I have floated this idea I have had not one single good reason why it is a bad idea, ...
Bullshit.
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