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Xylem Viliana
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
368
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:10:40 -
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War, War never changes. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
841
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:11:58 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Here's the solution:
You can have undeccable corps, but
Everything you mine instantly evaporates from your hold,
every ISK you get from rat bounties, instantly evaporates,
every isk and LP you get from a mission, instantly evaporates.
Then, when your actions will in no way affect your surroundings, you can be "left alone".
You do realize that because they are "there" someone will want to kill them and then never leave them alone because they are lil peasant trolls right?
The easiest way to troll someone that wants to kill you is to just never let them. You want salt mines? **** someone off and then just never let yourself ever get hit by a single punch.... trust me Ive done it in a real ring. Mohammed Ali style... is that all you got?! Rope-a-dope the dopes. Especially if they think theyre all leet "pvpers". 
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7662
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:17:53 -
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Dave Day wrote:I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?
Just one. EVE is a PVP-focused game. The PVE elements are all focused on enabling more PVP. Whether you like it or not, your mining/missioning/marketing is all as much in competition with other players as direct ship-to-ship combat is. So no, hell no. If you wanted to avoid PVP, then your option is don't log in to EVE, because everything you do here is PVP.
Seriously, even if you're mining in high sec, you're mining resources away from other players. Sure, it'll respawn, but then there's the time zone factor, and it only respawns once a day. Maybe a corp in your local space gets sick of your ****, mining all the local asteroids, and want to stop you, so they wardec you. It's a very simple example, to be sure, but you take that option away from them by 'opting out' of PVP.
This game already has an opt-out anyway. It's called not logging in.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Beta Maoye
120
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:33:58 -
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Dave Day wrote:
I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?
It is unlikely the game will allow complete safety in high sec.
Wardec should have consequence for both attacker and defender. Under current mechanic, the consequence of wardec for attacker is trivial. Temporary corp for the purpose of wardec can pay wardec fee and then licensed to kill while being protected by Concord. Wardec initiator should have at least a citadel put up in space so that the defender can attack the aggressor's home base to avenge. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16960
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:36:40 -
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Xylem Viliana wrote:War, War never changes.
this thread, this thread never changes.
Better the Devil you know.
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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
446
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:38:28 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:Sustrai Aditua wrote:Of course, the sociopaths have rushed to exclaim "something something KILL KILL KILL". However, since the vast majority of gamers would pay real money to play a game where the one eye-browed knuckle-draggers could only diddle with each other...and since a lot of gaming companies who went t!ts up and broke at the clamoring this PvP minority felt they just had to create (just to survive as a group...not all stupid, eh?) it would behoove a company to ignore the sociopathic, yet very loud minority (who largely pay in PLEX) and listen to those who actually use MONEY...in terms of enlightened self-interest and seriously consider the OP's point.
But, they won't. This proves my theory that everybody in the world (except me) has lost their minds. Wow such abuse of terms - idiot, sociopath. Words have meaning people and proper usage. Dictionaries are free and online these days. Oh and PLEX=Money to CCP. As has been oft cited in these forums - someone bought that PLEX with hard currency that went to CCP. That person then sold it for iskies in game to the knuckle-dragging, sociopaths. Also there are PLENTY of games where PvP is restricted. Why does this have to be one? Why can't it be different? Work the shaft. (Those words have meaning, too?)
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13850
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:43:41 -
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What an irony, there will be no dreams to wreck soon. Only the horrors dreamt by those who stayed.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
841
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Posted - 2016.07.23 12:49:46 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:What an irony, there will be no dreams to wreck soon. Only the horrors dreamt by those who stayed.
How many good dreams turn into nightmares before the dawn rises? And in the end all your left with is a pounding heart, sweaty sheets and a fear you cant shake as you get up to go about your day....
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13850
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Posted - 2016.07.23 13:05:00 -
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Luckily, I stopped sleeping on gates, so nothing from me.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
2968
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Posted - 2016.07.23 13:39:29 -
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OP.
I must apologize.
I sincerely thought you were trolling.
I know now that you are absolutely serious.
This horrifies me.
I was pure carebear for many years.
Thanks to the efforts of some very good people I was able to recover.
This happened after crimewatch was enacted, so I missed the golden days of PVP.
Instead, I found that strangely enough my PVE ways were actually beneficial to not only myself but those who I then worked with.
It turned out that my diligent efforts had raised the standings for our corp to the point where there were a few corps that we now were liked by enough for us to establish jump clones with. Now people who joined us could reap this benefit due to the work I had done. It felt kinda cool.
Then they patched it out. Now anyone anywhere can jump clone with anyone.
That's okay, it's not like I was working specifically towards that or anything. But there it was, that nagging voice in the back of my head, telling me that there were others who had worked their asses off JUST FOR THIS.
I had a tiny sad after that, not for me, but for them. Just a tiny one.
My other PVE thing was Locator Agents. Once I found out how valuable they were I chased after that standing increase like it was the holy grail. More agents, more potential targets you could try to locate. With a crew you could cover quite a few, especially if you were talking to each other. I worked my ass off to try and get these up.
Then in March I believe, they did the whole 'Buddy List' change. All of my watchlisted targets were now invalid. Without knowing whether or not they were online the 500 to a thousand potential targets suddenly turned into the proverbial 'needle in a haystack'. Hell, even running two accounts I could only locate 4 or so per hour that way. With even a conservative estimate of 400 targets, that's a hundred hours to try and check them all for me alone.
Locator agent work invalidated.
War became impractical on a contract level. You couldn't guarantee any kind of result to an employer unless your target had a structure in space that could be taken down. Merc work devolved into mass deccing and camping trade hubs and pipes.
Hunting a target corp became more than a chore. When I explained what actually needed to be done in order to be effective to a non-eve playing coworker, his response was 'that's WAY too much effort for a video game. '
This is true.
Back to the point.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.
In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
184
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Posted - 2016.07.23 14:52:36 -
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Get out of High-Sec, then you don't have to worry about wardecs. As often. |
Dave Day
Universal Freelance
128
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Posted - 2016.07.23 16:11:53 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.
In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'
Well.....there's a surprise (sigh)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12621
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Posted - 2016.07.23 16:25:51 -
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'Everyone Versus Everyone', not 'Everyone Versus Everyone But Me'
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13854
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Posted - 2016.07.23 16:32:23 -
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Oh you can always have fun out there.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26372
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Posted - 2016.07.23 16:39:41 -
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Dave Day wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.
In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.' Well.....there's a surprise (sigh) Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13854
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:11:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dave Day wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.
In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.' Well.....there's a surprise (sigh) Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting.
It was mentioned at fanfest also. When you are searching for some targets, you can always come here and say to everybody you really dont like the game because of them, that you dont like to be wardecced and you only have one account and no alts and you despise every PvP and everyone who ever shoot at someone. And you are sure they are a fat, autistic neckbeards in real, with cheetos in their keyboards.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Elsia Browne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:27:04 -
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Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.
For all those out there that obviously didn't read the OP post. Please....please read it again and pay attention to the fact that he doesn't want to remove war completely from the game.
He wants to create a way for players in player corps to basically become part of Interbus. You pay a fee every week or month, to be part of an NPC faction that doesn't participate in FW and can not be wardecced. With this your corp would have a minimum tax rate, not be able to anchor certain structures, plus other penalties. His other idea is an idea that people have been floating now for a while. Which is "Hey if a corp can bribe Concord to look the other way why can't we bribe Concord for protection?".
Why is that such a bad idea? seriously it fits into the whole Sandbox mentality. Also before you go and say "well he shouldn't be able to force his style of play onto me!" or "This is a PVP focused game with some PVE etc. etc."
I CALL BS! TOTAL F'n BS!
Wardecs as we are currently see them is forcing a style of play that obviously a majority of the players don't like which is oh why they are leaving. What this game needs is balance. Not nerfing, not a new style of game play but balance.
We as players need to stop telling other players to "quit because this game isn't for you" that's just absurd. Why would you do such a thing as to tell a player to leave a game that you enjoy playing. Let that sink in for a minute, telling a player to leave a game because they had a bad experience is just insane. If you want more players to play your game so you have "more targets" then you want them to stay. I saw a good response on another post the other day. "Join the corp that war decced your corp". That is smart, then they will learn something.
Also stop calling this game "PVP focused" I'm sorry its not. If it was NPCs would be selling ships, modules, and ammo. Not players. There would be no need for mining structures, no need for a player driven market, BPOs, BPCs etc. etc. etc. You would basically get a ship and fit it then go out and blow things up. Think if it like a Ship based version of MWO or any other FPS game out there, heck the game would be so close to dark prophecy it wouldn't be funny. But it isn't, EVE is an EVERYTHING BASED game, deal with it. All sorts of players play this game, and as you can see when one style of player is put up above the rest.....guess what happens the rest LEAVE! You want eve to die, all of those that are saying for players to quit are doing an awesome job at achieving their goal. Honestly if I was CCP I'd start temp banning players that told others to leave. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8401
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:35:06 -
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Elsia Browne wrote:Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.
He can do that any time he wants by logging on to the Singularity server instead of Tranquility.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13854
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:50:40 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Elsia Browne wrote:Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.
He can do that any time he wants by logging on to the Singularity server instead of Tranquility.
Why? He can just unsub and wait. Chill. It will be no different in some time.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26377
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:52:34 -
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Elsia Browne wrote:Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.
For all those out there that obviously didn't read the OP post. Please....please read it again and pay attention to the fact that he doesn't want to remove war completely from the game. He can play his own game, so can everybody else; that's the point people are making. You're right in that he doesn't want to completely remove war from the game, he just wants to remove the possibility of it happening to him; there's good news, he already can, using the existing mechanics.
Quote:He wants to create a way for players in player corps to basically become part of Interbus. You pay a fee every week or month, to be part of an NPC faction that doesn't participate in FW and can not be wardecced. With this your corp would have a minimum tax rate, not be able to anchor certain structures, plus other penalties. This is called an NPC corp, it already exists, if he wishes to play with like minded players in other corps he can set up a chatroom in lieu of corp chat.
Quote:His other idea is an idea that people have been floating now for a while. Which is "Hey if a corp can bribe Concord to look the other way why can't we bribe Concord for protection?". Because protection is not Concord job, punishment is.
Why is that such a bad idea? seriously it fits into the whole Sandbox mentality. Also before you go and say "well he shouldn't be able to force his style of play onto me!" or "This is a PVP focused game with some PVE etc. etc."
Quote:Also stop calling this game "PVP focused" I'm sorry its not. If it was NPCs would be selling ships, modules, and ammo. Not players. There would be no need for mining structures, no need for a player driven market, BPOs, BPCs etc. etc. etc. You would basically get a ship and fit it then go out and blow things up. Everything you say here is wrong; a player driven market and economy is the very essence of a PvP focused game where loss has meaning, an NPC driven market is the exact opposite, if you want to see what Eve would look like with an NPC driven market look no further than the test server where 99% of the stuff on the market is preseeded and loss means nothing.
Quote:Think if it like a Ship based version of MWO or any other FPS game out there, heck the game would be so close to dark prophecy it wouldn't be funny. But it isn't, EVE is an EVERYTHING BASED game, deal with it. All sorts of players play this game, and as you can see when one style of player is put up above the rest.....guess what happens the rest LEAVE! You want eve to die, all of those that are saying for players to quit are doing an awesome job at achieving their goal. Honestly if I was CCP I'd start temp banning players that told others to leave. Eve had a continual year on year growth for many years, despite the game being much more violent and unforgiving than it is now.
If someone leaves because they realise that Eve isn't for them then fair play, it's not designed to appeal to the mass market.
What doesn't go down well is the constant bleating from those that would like to turn Eve into something that is more mainstream, they should kindly leave our brutal little corner of the gaming universe alone and play something more mainstream that already caters to them.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
82
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Posted - 2016.07.23 17:54:49 -
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Damn, post above me got to it before I did. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13854
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Posted - 2016.07.23 18:09:23 -
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And when everybody leaves I will then declare all of the space mine. \o/
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
273
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Posted - 2016.07.23 18:23:48 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:You forget that new players are poor, they couldn't bid. Unless they play the "pay to win" game (buying PLEX with RL money to sell it in game for ISK). What a sense of achievement 
That's probably what will sell the idea to the EA guy.
A signature :o
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26379
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Posted - 2016.07.23 18:44:17 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:You forget that new players are poor, they couldn't bid. Unless they play the "pay to win" game (buying PLEX with RL money to sell it in game for ISK). What a sense of achievement That's probably what will sell the idea to the EA guy. There's more than one ex EA employee at CCP IIRC 
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bishop Bob
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
16
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Posted - 2016.07.23 19:12:39 -
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I think this thread is a reasonable excuse for:
RAZOR Alliance Glorious Informational Film #1 |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
80
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Posted - 2016.07.23 19:42:06 -
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Yes, stop the wars, think of all the poor hamsters! No... Wait... nm... |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
4990
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Posted - 2016.07.23 23:32:52 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:You forget that new players are poor, they couldn't bid. Unless they play the "pay to win" game (buying PLEX with RL money to sell it in game for ISK). What a sense of achievement That's probably what will sell the idea to the EA guy. There's more than one ex EA employee at CCP IIRC
At least 2...probably will be more as number of players logged in continues it's downward trend. Have to figure out a way to monetize those players that are left.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
373
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Posted - 2016.07.23 23:48:12 -
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It all boils down to who wardecced you.
If any of the major mercenary corporations/alliances have wardecced you, honestly...you are safe. Just stay away from trading hubs and shipping choke points and you will do just fine. Friend got wardecced by not one but two major merc alliances and never saw any of them for the whole week, since he operated not anywhere near a choke point or trade hub.
Now if you were wardecced by myself in my solo highsec wardec days, then you would be screwed because I would find out where you were and pay you a complimentary visit with my blasters...constantly for the whole week.
But rest assured, that type of wardec hunting is pretty much gone due to the changes to the watch list and not fixing locater agents to compensate.
So when you are wardecced, this is what you do:
1) Move local chat somewhere so it is not hidden by any other chat channel.
2) Don't AFK anything (mine, mission, rat, etc). If you have to go AFK, dock up...even if it just to go take a leak or get another Mountain Dew. I have popped war targets while they were afk making coffee.
3) If you are docked and you see a war target in local, don't undock. Can guarantee they know where you are and you are being watched...
4) When you see a war target come into system, dock up and stay there.
5) Assume that every neutral in system is one of their alts, looking for you. If you are mining and someone warps into your belt in a Venture, leave that belt...dock up for a couple of minutes and then go back to another belt. Always assume you are being watched...
And that concludes your safety lesson in wardec technololgy. Please send any and all 'contributions' to myself. Thank you and have a nice day...
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26393
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Posted - 2016.07.23 23:51:15 -
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@ Teckos
Yeah I know of at least one fairly recent hire that used to work at EA, the position that was filled is Chief Customer Officer. Sean Decker is the other one I know about, according to google he's the Senior VP of Product Development.
[tinfoil]
Is EA slowly infiltrating CCP in order to assimilate them like so many devs before them?
[/tinfoil]
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2016.07.24 00:56:42 -
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TO be fair to the game, you pay a bribe to allow concord to turn a blind eye to a war, so why can you not bribe concord to not let it happen? |
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