Say what?

You would be better off using an orca for the risk/reward if you didn't use the core... an extra 10% from level 5 between the two doesn't warrant fielding it in the slightest for base bonuses. Should we see all command ships/carriers/FAX/supers/titans siege to provide their boosts? Of course not, why are we even discussing this? These aren't even combat bonuses being given. Yet you want it to carry more risk than to those boosting in active combat.

HERE'S THE DEAL, many of us, probably most of us, have trained leadership skills only to trickle boost to our fleet if we need to. that mechanic is being removed so we should be refunded the sp. plain and simple there is no argument for that period. the other thing is miners/ indy corps out in null specifically are ALWAYS at risk when trying to do there indy thing, billions lost every month in exumers and T1 mining barges, jet cans exploded, PI haulers killed loaded to the brim, JF's killed all the time, ratting carriers, noctice's being used to make rigs. to when i see post about the 0risk to some or 100% risk post, its a load of pvper elitist bullshit that just want shiny KM's. you get them already out in renter space.

this is a great change for combat links i agree even though i use them off grid for pve fun we have in cruisers and such i still agree.

indy links should be preserved off grid, as at its core indy is a pve driven profession. kill my mining ships and indy haulers thats fine been doing it for years, at least leave us off grid boost's there is no reason not to.

considering you can make yourself invuln until your support show up i wouldn't say its more risk.... that is unless you have no intention of defending yourself then i can see your issue. but if that is the case go ahead and use the porpus


as for "but but the mean combat guys dun have to" the combat boosts don't give a huge increase to the amount of isk you are getting the mining one does

I'm sorry but only poorly set up groups are at risk in null. most are safely behind blue eyes (no pun intended) protected snugly by intel channels

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ur right, but that doesnt mean were not at risk, were always at risk regaurdless of intel channels dont be a fool

yet regularly when i attack mining fleets in provie they have support show up in under 60 seconds. sorry if the people you fly with can't be bothered sounds like you need to find some one better to mine for

not currently where your rorq is tucked under the shield of a POS

who cares about the rorq, why worry about a rorq when u can kill shiny ratting bs's and carriers? ohhhh i see, those propose a RISK lets not shoot those then because its a RISK so you want to kill shiny indy ships instead i see

considering it went from 0 risk to having risk

"Having risk" isn't the point, it's the level of risk that's unreasonable compared to the benefit.

.... if you see the risk as to high then don't use the rorqual that is your choice. But I already know of several who do plan to use it and are in love with the buff the boosts will be getting with this change

Yes, that's obvious and you claiming to know "several" that will use it is an anecdotal troll.

For real miners who understand risk management, putting the Rorq in an anom or belt as proposed is ludicrous.

They are still useful and are still used for supporting your fleet. So why would there be any refund?

Plus all the begging for an SP refund is a moot point as you can just extract and sell the skills.

please don't say again that the SP extracting is an oprion.

Meybe is an option to you but to the old players is not, because can extract 500K Sp and inject 150K

Let the neutral boosting alt salt flow.

good thing he said extract and sell not extract and inject


the skill has not been changed enough to warrant a refund even if some people will no longer use it.

I said it was not enough of a change. the change to carriers was far more drastic and not a refund to be found

This doesn't look like a nerf to be gloated over to me - it looks more like Eve's SWG moment...

im to old for the young kids lingo what is "SWG"

im to old for the young kids lingo what is "SWG"

One week after this release the entire character development process was changed in the so-called New Game Enhancements (NGE). Major changes included the reduction and simplification of professions, simplification of gameplay mechanics, and Jedi becoming a starting profession. This led to a number of players demanding their money back for the expansion. After a week or two of protests Sony offered refunds to anyone who asked for it. Many player towns became ghost towns due to the reaction of long term players who decided to depart en masse.

15 * 1.3 * 1.25 * 1.2 = 29.25km for the base (command destroyer)
29.25 * 1.5 = 43.875km for Combat Battlecruisers and T3's
29.25 * 2.0 = 58.5km for Command Ships
29.25 * 3.0 = 87.75km for Capitals

So capitals can still boost for a fleet spread over a 170km diameter. However, Command Ships will provide the strongest bonuses and having multiple CS providing the same bonus for redundancy will probably be the standard. In large engagements, I can see CS pilots reshipping and coming back into the fight or hopping from fleet to fleet depending on where they are most needed as well.

The one issue I have with it, is the ship that is most likely to be with a small gang of fast ships that tend to spread out will have the lowest boosting range. Though forcing such gangs to run with inconsistent boosts over a drawn out engagement might be a good thing in terms of balancing the haves fighting the have nots.