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Yorda	Posted - 2007.03.17 12:59:00 - [1] Edited by: Yorda on 17/03/2007 13:02:30 Hello, I have a simple interface improvement to help the player better understand what is happening in the heat of combat in regards to their own offensive measures. This improvement simply spits of the friendly and hostile damage messages into two locations so there is no change in the amount of lag generated by this change. This improvement would take up slightly more screen real estate but as a user with low resolution as it is, I feel the change would be more than worth it. Here are some pictures to explain: http://i19.tinypic.com/4bnvyxg.jpg <-- Basic Idea http://i18.tinypic.com/4360qie.jpg <-- Basic Idea + Color Coded for Wrecking hits Pretty neat huh? The old value would display for up to 1 minute or until replaced by the next value. Some advantages: 1. Received damage messages are easier to read because they donÆt compete for your attention in the old location. 2. Players quickly see just how many of their guns are hitting when burst firing. 3. Players can use staggered firing to ôtestö transversal on the fly. Some negatives: 1. The interface would have to be slightly shifted to accommodate the new bar. 2. Slightly more screen clutter. 3. Large numbers might have to be abbreviated. IE: 23,450 damage = 23.45 k? 4. CCP would have to find the guy who programmed the interface, perhaps he fell down a well? Thoughts and comments are more than welcome.
Misses Gap The Lantern Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:47:00 - [2] Love the idea - very nice feature indeed ! Gap
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:56:00 - [3] That is amazing! Especialy nice if you're a missile user and want to quickly know waht kind of missile is doing the most damage!
Fswd	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:56:00 - [4] Fell? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Raoden Tanstaafl Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.17 19:17:00 - [5] very very nice idea... /signed
Riddick Valer	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:18:00 - [6] /signed
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:54:00 - [7] /signed. This is an awesome idea.
Gnord	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:30:00 - [8] /signed
Ishma Nelass	Posted - 2007.03.17 23:58:00 - [9] /signed
Uskr	Posted - 2007.03.18 01:04:00 - [10] Nice idea /signed
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.18 01:07:00 - [11] How about optional blackborder behind ship interface as well( For those who play widescreen format ). /signed for your idea.
Yorda	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:01:00 - [12] Small addition: Same values might have to "flash" somehow to let you know they've registered. Also I took the liberty of assuming no one cares if they do 432.7 damage or 433 damage.
Nariana Verex Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:17:00 - [13] For damage that you take, could you also have a bar beside the main HP bar that shows up to the last few hits you took, too? Otherwise, /signed. CCP, please please -please- consider this idea for immediate application. We know every damage value is already processed in the log. This shouldn't cause any graphical or server-based lag at all. Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Mysterlee Gallente 5punkorp	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:30:00 - [14] Brilliant idea. Please, please, please add this CCP. /signed
Brother Magnus	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:52:00 - [15] signed!
Tikanom	Posted - 2007.03.19 05:18:00 - [16] /signed (if the devs can do it without adding more overhead to the poor client)
Lygos Finis Actum	Posted - 2007.03.19 05:33:00 - [17] Smart. It can be applied to other modules which would otherwise convey textual reports to logs. They should still go in the log naturally. --- T2 Risk \| Corp Divisions
Kitiara Armitage	Posted - 2007.03.19 09:42:00 - [18] /signed! :D
Sirenia Daptari	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:12:00 - [19] That is awesome, and so much easier to read than the big box that appears in the top middle of the screen! Excellent idea! /signed
minerdave Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:29:00 - [20] i like this idea too /signed
NumberFour	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:04:00 - [21] Very nice idea. As already mentioned, depends on client overhead. Maybe make it optional if possible.
velocity7	Posted - 2007.03.19 14:17:00 - [22] /signed I'm pretty sure you're getting a ton of messages in that black box up there during combat, with at least 60% of the messages being thrown away. Client overhead shouldn't be a problem.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2007.03.19 16:34:00 - [23] Pretty good idea. I usually leave the log off for client lag reasons, but I could see how this is useful. Merc Blog
Kisum Antel	Posted - 2007.03.20 05:11:00 - [24] /signed At the moment, I have no idea how well my weapons deal damage against targets and I can't be bothered sifting through logs to figure it out. This provides a simple on-screen reference. And quoting these two for very VERY good additional suggestions. Originally by: Nariana Verex For damage that you take, could you also have a bar beside the main HP bar that shows up to the last few hits you took, too? Otherwise, /signed. CCP, please please -please- consider this idea for immediate application. We know every damage value is already processed in the log. This shouldn't cause any graphical or server-based lag at all. Originally by: Yorda Small addition: Same values might have to "flash" somehow to let you know they've registered. Also I took the liberty of assuming no one cares if they do 432.7 damage or 433 damage.
Yorda	Posted - 2007.03.21 23:50:00 - [25] One poke before I let this idea die, never to be seen again.
Sicks Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Pure.	Posted - 2007.03.22 02:44:00 - [26] Simple, but absolute genius. I'm surprised noone came up with this already. /signed ------------------------------------------------- - EverythingForum - SickThought
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.22 03:27:00 - [27] Absolutely fantastic idea!
Aridan	Posted - 2007.03.22 06:43:00 - [28] very nice, cant wait to see this ingame :-) i hope the dev¦s notice this very soon :-)
Melyece Divinitas	Posted - 2007.03.25 01:32:00 - [29] I would love to see this implemented!
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.25 02:35:00 - [30] Looks good ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Garr Anders Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.25 08:42:00 - [31] Looks good, but I have one question, comment regarding this: What do you do if you have your weapons put into the lower slots, so they aren't on top anymore? Where do you want to Display the Numbers in that case? Do you want to spread out the distance between them ? Because I usually have my weapons put donw in the lower row, because I just have to activate them just once and have my shields booster on the upper row, to toggle it on off to save capacitor using them on "F1" rather "CTRL+F1" or "ALT+F1" Otherwise good idea, it would also allow better to track , im my case, to track which weapons is hitting for what amount of damage and if you are loading different ammo types, set the others to reload to the most damaging type. Garr Anders - Minmatar
adriaans Amarr The Sirius Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.03.25 10:48:00 - [32] /signed --sig-- Knowledge is power!
R0ger Wilco	Posted - 2007.03.25 11:50:00 - [33] /me signed cool idea
Surana Koburo	Posted - 2007.03.25 16:54:00 - [34] One other thing I miss is that you can't go back and see what happened in a combat. I.E. I'd like to be able to log all of the hits and boosts and see what happened post combat. or be able to quickly scroll back and see what the heck/ and who the heck just hit me for half my shield, when the pop up alert is gone. Most other games have this feature.
Argyle Jones Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.25 22:22:00 - [35] Nice option, but if included - it should be just that, an option > toggle-able if you will. It will generate a small fps loss. Personally, the current damage messages don't really bother me much. They're inaccuarate, true, but the little red bars that move are a nice indication if you're doing enough damage. /Argyle.
Thargat Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.03.25 22:42:00 - [36] The damage could be overlayed in the current "blinking" of the buttons. There might even be a "analouge" style clock to show the percentage of max damage the weapon does. Several different kinds of options for this style of messages should be available. GREAT IDEA from the OP. =D If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
Gen Raetix	Posted - 2007.03.25 23:20:00 - [37] /super signed
Aron Palatine	Posted - 2007.03.26 04:06:00 - [38] Damn fine idea. /signed
Nimfin	Posted - 2007.03.26 07:46:00 - [39] /signed devs, please, reply something.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:26:00 - [40] \o/ for good ideas :) .
EadTaes	Posted - 2007.03.28 07:54:00 - [41] /singed Now if only CCP would pay closer attention to the suggestion board.
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.28 10:55:00 - [42] ./signed
Ron Simon Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.28 17:46:00 - [43] /signed
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.29 08:45:00 - [44] awesome idea Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
OzDeaDMeaT	Posted - 2007.03.29 09:03:00 - [45] good concept. Any extended version of UI customization other than colour and transparency level is great. Only thing is some people have weapons in there lower slots as u can move modules around. I would probably recommend putting a bigger gap in between the high, med and low slots for that reason. OR you could have the number display over the actual module doing the damage. I would also kill for a module timer like there was very early on in the game. Something that gave u an idea when the next hit a module would put on your cap.
Mr Poletski	Posted - 2007.03.29 10:08:00 - [46] yeah great idea!
Barbaro55a	Posted - 2007.03.29 15:25:00 - [47] Love it, Green for miss, amber through red for glancing - full hit. Comes up when hit, then fades after 10-15 sec (very long time in a fight) or is over taken by the next shot. The back ground could have a hue on it, that would show other info, suck as reaload time, no glow once fired, then gradially increases (like a halo on them their angles) until its bright white, then fires again. I like it. Signed with a big red pen...
Lord Artemis Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.03.29 15:37:00 - [48] ^^ I like this idea as well as the OP's. Having the damage displayed until a new value (next shot fired) comes up is good for you to be able to glance down at after the shot is fired. Too many times I have missed information by it not displaying (too many messages at once) just flashed on screen and didn't have log open. Damage messages at the moment are spamming the prime real estate (i know they can be turned off) but it is good information. Having them by the modules makes sense. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC!
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.03.29 15:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Barbaro55a Love it, Green for miss, amber through red for glancing - full hit. Comes up when hit, then fades after 10-15 sec (very long time in a fight) or is over taken by the next shot. The back ground could have a hue on it, that would show other info, suck as reaload time, no glow once fired, then gradially increases (like a halo on them their angles) until its bright white, then fires again. I like it. Signed with a big red pen... Amke it like a bar that fills up, simpler than glows and such. For colours, perhaps yellow for glancing, amber for normal hits, red for well aimed, and crimson with exclamation marks and glowiness for wrecking!
Brain Kill	Posted - 2007.03.29 17:26:00 - [50] /signed love it
Artu Stargazer	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:22:00 - [51] /signed and to the top with you!
Lygos Finis Actum	Posted - 2007.04.01 07:07:00 - [52] The best thing to go with this is better logs management. For example, we should be able to toggle their activation, but only feed them into memory. There should be a second phase to toggle for writing them to HDD. One without the other would be popular along with better UI. --- T2 Risk \| Corp Divisions
Aron Palatine	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:59:00 - [53] I dug this suggestion out of page 6, because it's really that awsome. Really, it's that awsome.
Shigawahhhhh Caldari Metalworks	Posted - 2007.04.05 06:27:00 - [54] Awesome idea mate /signed
Suoh Amshar	Posted - 2007.04.24 00:30:00 - [55] /signed absolutely genius
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.04.24 01:13:00 - [56] /signed Excellent idea. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Stakhanov Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.24 02:23:00 - [57] This idea has my bump of approval.
Draekas Darkwater Sanctum Infinitas	Posted - 2007.04.24 02:56:00 - [58] Terrific idea!
John McDuff Caldari Jovian Labs	Posted - 2007.04.24 07:23:00 - [59] hmz seen this before and did not sign - ashamed /signed --- SIG
Jawas Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.24 08:35:00 - [60] Combine this with a countdown timer for the weapon/module cycle time and it would get my vote. -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.24 10:13:00 - [61] great idea. i wants it ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
adriaans Amarr Interstellar StarShipWrights Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.04.24 11:39:00 - [62] /signed --sig-- Knowledge is power!
Hermosa Diosas	Posted - 2007.04.24 12:14:00 - [63] yes got to agreed good idea
Kakita Jalaan Viriette Commerce and Holding	Posted - 2007.04.24 13:31:00 - [64] Yep, I want that. As a couple of people have said, it would be cool to also have more than only the last damage received displaying at a time. While the combat log does both things at once, it is incredibly laggy (client side) and takes up way too much space. Wasn't there some dev post a long long while ago that CCP were looking into this matter...? ______________ Join the Family
Tsuki Rashala Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.24 13:48:00 - [65] Lovely Idea.
retzki	Posted - 2007.04.24 14:39:00 - [66] /signed. Love it. All hail Yorda. :-D Great idea
Ezeikiel Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.24 15:22:00 - [67] Awsome idea And yeah, I think that this signature rocks.
Alexa Stryker	Posted - 2007.04.24 15:28:00 - [68] signed
Bentula	Posted - 2007.04.24 15:35:00 - [69] I like this alot.
Xortak	Posted - 2007.04.24 22:07:00 - [70] Love it! Simplicity at it's finest. Number and color code for hit type is all we need. Don't have time to read those long sentences with new messages coming every second anyway, making the current system almost unusable. Could also do the same for incoming damage as numbers above our ship's shield/armor/hull view.
GloFF HekaTombe Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:43:00 - [71] Nice idea, but I have one thing to point out concerning this. The UI is already slowing the game down heavily. Some UI optimization before adding any more to it would be HIGHLY appreciated. Even a single window open on the UI steals way too much performance. Mentioned earlier is the overview and its transparency, begone with it, or... at least give us the option to make it none-transparent.
Alaron Giancol Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.25 04:57:00 - [72] I think a simple (and usable) combat log would be easier and more useful. Currently, the combat log acts more like a list than a log which causes all sorts of screwy behavior, and is reset when jumping or docking.
Aneroi Amarr VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 06:37:00 - [73] /signed http://aneroi.tk
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:31:00 - [74] Very nice, /signed -AS
Sir Scorpion	Posted - 2007.04.25 10:54:00 - [75] /signed
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.04.25 20:02:00 - [76] /signed been thinking we have needed something like this, as the log can scroll way too fast to read something
INTACTized Gallente The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:26:00 - [77] Back to the start. /signed. ---Sig--- Before I put some crap in here I rather write it above.
Vergil Kankuro	Posted - 2007.09.21 21:14:00 - [78] /Signed! im a noob and still know thats awesome
Admiral Armstrong The Church of YRC	Posted - 2007.09.21 23:28:00 - [79] Well I definitely like it. I read someone else mentioning this, but for when you're trying to gauge which of your ammo types is doing the most damage, instead of straining between the combat windows that pop up and are quickly replaced, you could just look down at the nice digits displayed above your modules. :D /signed "I call him free who is led solely by reason." - Baruch Spinoza
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.09.23 04:47:00 - [80] Nice, someone found the thread again. Now I can link it in Commonly Proposed ideas. Oh deeevvvss. . . -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Lyta Alexander Gallente Lyta Alexander Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.23 19:04:00 - [81] /signed, very good idea
kimish	Posted - 2007.09.23 20:04:00 - [82] YES TY :D a decend interface would be lovely _____ _____ "When the moderators are gone, the trolls dances on the table."

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