Originally by: Ealiom

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Oh yeah and trust me on this you will feel like a complete muppet after youve killed your millionth murloc in a search for 20 pairs of there balls.

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Originally by: Aragog

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Ahem, if you nerf nos, what exactly is the curse left with? I think guns should be nerfed, because, one day you know, someones going to get hurt with them things

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Originally by: Shania Eria

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dampners.. the next in line is these buggers, with 3 of them and 1 rig you can reduce someones lock range from 100km to 3km

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Originally by: Aragog

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Ahem, if you nerf nos, what exactly is the curse left with?

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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After all this I think tier 3 bs will be nerfed for having overpowered tanks with repping bonuses (You can't kill a decently fitted one solo without nos

But good list

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Originally by: Aragog

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Ahem, if you nerf nos, what exactly is the curse left with? I think guns should be nerfed, because, one day you know, someones going to get hurt with them things

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Originally by: madaluap

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-Passive shield tanking nerf?

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-Nos nerf?

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-Dominix removal?
-Energized adaptive membranes require 50 cpu?

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Originally by: Elain Reverse

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Another whine about pasive shieldtank ?
When you need 8-9 modules +3 rigs (yes, thats 12 slots Drake wasting to be ubertank - all midle, most of lows and 3 rigs, thats prety all except highs) for comparably same armortank, then we can speak again.

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Originally by: Aries Acheron

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passive shield tanking doesn't need a nerf, since there's only 2 ships that can do it normally (Not counting the weirdass SPR Myrmidon), and both ships have tanks that are easilly defeated once you cross their regeneration threshhold with just enough DPS. Passive tanks are not for PVP, unless you expect massive amounts of NOS.

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Originally by: Evil Carebear

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I think it's unfair that guns / launchers do different damage. We should normalize them, so everything does the same amount of damage. Do the same with tanking...so that shield and armor tanking is EXACTLY the same except that you need different slots.

Finally EVE will be fair

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Originally by: Nether Haze

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so, ur whining about not getting an easy kill? well tough luck, not like a drake can really do much else than take dmg with a passive tank..

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Originally by: NIkis

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About not having different damaage types.. lol, why not go play mario theres only one damage type there ?

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Originally by: NIkis

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now that jamming is almost useless and pvpers will inevitably train for dampening

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Originally by: NIkis

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now that jamming is almost useless and pvpers will inevitably train for dampening

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Oh wow. Really?

I wish my corpmates who fly rooks and scorps knew that. I wish my ex-corp leader knew that, when he brought those rooks along.

I wish we knew that when we've beat great odds due to having a rook and/or scorp in the gang.

Dayum. :(

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Originally by: NIkis

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Originally by: Evil Carebear

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I think it's unfair that guns / launchers do different damage. We should normalize them, so everything does the same amount of damage. Do the same with tanking...so that shield and armor tanking is EXACTLY the same except that you need different slots.

Finally EVE will be fair

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Fair and dull like the above about passive shield tank

If anything missiles should do more dps because it is delayed

About not having different damaage types.. lol, why not go play mario theres only one damage type there ?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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and less DPS because it scales better against small ships

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Originally by: DeadRow

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Originally by: Shania Eria

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dampners.. the next in line is these buggers, with 3 of them and 1 rig you can reduce someones lock range from 100km to 3km

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Leave my damps alone

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/03/2007 22:36:10
put all the ECCM on a cruiser that you want, it wont stop it from getting jammed by a blackbird or scorpion. Put all the damps you want on a cruiser and it wont stop it from ramming into your face and targeting you.

Most ships dont have mid slots to spare for ECCM unless they are jamming ships.

ECM scales better against small ships[easier to jam]. Damps scale better against large and slow ships[they cant get in range as easily].

We call this "a trade off"

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Originally by: Tista

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/03/2007 22:36:10
put all the ECCM on a cruiser that you want, it wont stop it from getting jammed by a blackbird or scorpion. Put all the damps you want on a cruiser and it wont stop it from ramming into your face and targeting you.

Most ships dont have mid slots to spare for ECCM unless they are jamming ships.

ECM scales better against small ships[easier to jam]. Damps scale better against large and slow ships[they cant get in range as easily].

We call this "a trade off"

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you cant ram things that are faster than you... silly

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Originally by: Tista

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ohhh noes i love damps myself... damper myrm, damper-pest- damperion, damperdomi.. ultraness.. nothing beats us 1v1 damperkings

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Originally by: NIkis

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Edited by: NIkis on 17/03/2007 22:50:24

Originally by: Goumindong

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and less DPS because it scales better against small ships

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scourge heavy explosion radius 125 mm
heavy neutron blaster (and med rail) signature resolution .. surprise 125 mm

Care to ellaborate on 'scales better' ? unless you use rockets as an example. And if you really need a skill for lowering your guns sig res by 25% when its maxed, go ahead and ask for it.
And tbh in this game you shouldn't worry about smaller ships unless they 'swarm' ya

Besides theres more differences between missiles and turrets for example missiles can be smartbombed, turret charges cant and so on (implants come to mind).

edit: what 'high volley damage' when anyone but the dumbest have warped away long before the missiles got to land on them ?

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Originally by: NIkis

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Edited by: NIkis on 17/03/2007 22:55:30

Originally by: Tista

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ohhh noes i love damps myself... damper myrm, damper-pest- damperion, damperdomi.. ultraness.. nothing beats us 1v1 damperkings

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unfortunately that is bound to happen sooner or later.. remember the 1v1 ECMkings lol (everybody and their mother fitted ecm on ships)

at least we got the almighty painter left

goumindong youre making me lol.. check target range on frigates lately ? and it was about scaling against LARGER ships anyway

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: Tista

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/03/2007 22:36:10
put all the ECCM on a cruiser that you want, it wont stop it from getting jammed by a blackbird or scorpion. Put all the damps you want on a cruiser and it wont stop it from ramming into your face and targeting you.

Most ships dont have mid slots to spare for ECCM unless they are jamming ships.

ECM scales better against small ships[easier to jam]. Damps scale better against large and slow ships[they cant get in range as easily].

We call this "a trade off"

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you cant ram things that are faster than you... silly

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Your damping boats are faster than frigates and cruisers?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: NIkis

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Edited by: NIkis on 17/03/2007 22:50:24

Originally by: Goumindong

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and less DPS because it scales better against small ships

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scourge heavy explosion radius 125 mm
heavy neutron blaster (and med rail) signature resolution .. surprise 125 mm

Care to ellaborate on 'scales better' ? unless you use rockets as an example. And if you really need a skill for lowering your guns sig res by 25% when its maxed, go ahead and ask for it.
And tbh in this game you shouldn't worry about smaller ships unless they 'swarm' ya

Besides theres more differences between missiles and turrets for example missiles can be smartbombed, turret charges cant and so on (implants come to mind).

edit: what 'high volley damage' when anyone but the dumbest have warped away long before the missiles got to land on them ?

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Scales better as in "you do more damage to smaller ships"

A Heavy Neutron blaster that cannot track a frigate does 0 DPS. A frigate that fits an afterburner will be able to out transverse any cruiser sized gun.

A precision heavy has an explosion radius of what? 75m? So it does about 60% damage to frigates? 1250 exp velocity so it does about 50% damage to most MWDing frigates?

So an MWDing frigate takes 30% of the damage from missiles.

An ABing frigate takes 0% of the damage from turrets.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: NIkis

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Edited by: NIkis on 17/03/2007 22:55:30

Originally by: Tista

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ohhh noes i love damps myself... damper myrm, damper-pest- damperion, damperdomi.. ultraness.. nothing beats us 1v1 damperkings

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unfortunately that is bound to happen sooner or later.. remember the 1v1 ECMkings lol (everybody and their mother fitted ecm on ships)

at least we got the almighty painter left

goumindong youre making me lol.. check target range on frigates lately ? and it was about scaling against LARGER ships anyway

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Yes, trade-offs. ECM works better against smaller ships and worse against bigger ships[but still very well against bigger ships]. Damps work worse against smaller ships and better against bigger and slower ships. Same for tracking disruptors[larger optimal + worse tracking = nastier penalty]

You might be able to damp a cruiser from 20km to 5km[or 3km] locking range. But that doesnt matter as much because they can travel the distance in 7 seconds with an MWD. You can damp the locking range of a battleship from 70 to 10 and hold them there if they are unable to close the distance.

Smaller = worse for damps and disruptors. Smaller=better for ECM

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Originally by: maGz

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Nerf Tuxford?

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Originally by: maGz

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Nerf Tuxford?

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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux

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I dont see where the damp crying is coming from; sure if you stick 3 on someone he can't lock you from over 10km, but what ship has 3 damps, scramblers, enough speed to stay at range to prevent the lock and then the DPS to actually kill the target...

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Originally by: NIkis

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That goes to prove that no weapon system is perfect. If you think missiles are, train and give them a try Lets just nerf damps for now

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Originally by: Tista

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500-1000m lock range + the fact that all those ships have drones to counter smaller ships + the fact that it takes 1 hell of alot of them to harm a battleship.. me thinks unless you have a fleet vs 1 that wont work :D

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Originally by: madaluap

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Edited by: madaluap on 17/03/2007 18:29:44
-Passive shield tanking nerf?

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Originally by: NIkis

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Originally by: Evil Carebear

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I think it's unfair that guns / launchers do different damage. We should normalize them, so everything does the same amount of damage. Do the same with tanking...so that shield and armor tanking is EXACTLY the same except that you need different slots.

Finally EVE will be fair

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Fair and dull like the above about passive shield tank

If anything missiles should do more dps because it is delayed

About not having different damaage types.. lol, why not go play mario theres only one damage type there ?

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Originally by: Vandrion

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You all are looking at NOS all wrong. NOS is nothing more then another weapon, much like a 425mm rail without the 150+ km ranges.

Want stacking penalties for NOS?
Then I want stacking penalties for launchers and guns!

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 18/03/2007 06:47:31
I will say Remote Sensor Dampeners is kinda overpowered atm, and that's because a Raven actually had me dampened for like 5 mins on sisi without any breaks, and my lock range was like 7-10 km max. So i just sat there and tanked the hell out of everybody that was shooting me in my Tempest, until i got bored of not be able to lock anyone after the 5 minutes i was in FFA, so i warped out.

And that's not funny at all, so maybe it would be an idea to make them chance based like the ECM or maybe lower the Targeting Range Bonus from -48% to like 30%?

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Originally by: TZeer

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 18/03/2007 06:47:31
I will say Remote Sensor Dampeners is kinda overpowered atm, and that's because a Raven actually had me dampened for like 5 mins on sisi without any breaks, and my lock range was like 7-10 km max. So i just sat there and tanked the hell out of everybody that was shooting me in my Tempest, until i got bored of not be able to lock anyone after the 5 minutes i was in FFA, so i warped out.

And that's not funny at all, so maybe it would be an idea to make them chance based like the ECM or maybe lower the Targeting Range Bonus from -48% to like 30%?

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Get a clue on how they work before u suggest how to fix it...

They are already chancebased like ecm. When you get out of their optimal they start failing.
Optimal with max skills are about 45km.

Another question. How many sensorbooster did you have fitted?

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 18/03/2007 06:47:31
I will say Remote Sensor Dampeners is kinda overpowered atm, and that's because a Raven actually had me dampened for like 5 mins on sisi without any breaks, and my lock range was like 7-10 km max. So i just sat there and tanked the hell out of everybody that was shooting me in my Tempest, until i got bored of not be able to lock anyone after the 5 minutes i was in FFA, so i warped out.

And that's not funny at all, so maybe it would be an idea to make them chance based like the ECM or maybe lower the Targeting Range Bonus from -48% to like 30%?

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Originally by: Akita T

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1. Sensor Dampners vs Sensor Boosters

Think T2 dampner with basic skills on non-specialized ship barely neutralizing a T2 sensor booster.
Right now, it's *1.6 and *0.52 -> *0.832 with one of each, so a clear advantage of the dampening ship, even without any skills nor any specialised ship bonuses whatsoever.

T2 damps should be more like -35% or so, not -48% as current.


2. NOS (mostly, heavy NOS, but rest too)

Unlike any other weapon in the game, it does not USE any capacitor and at the same time ALWAYS hits "in range", and for FULL damage at all times.
That's just screaming "overpowered" no matter how you put it.

Adding tracking values and sigradius to all NOS, even adding a falloff value and modulating crystals (more range and less drain, or less range and more drain), basically making them turret-like (without the need to fill a turret slot, but being affected by all generic turret skills and modules)... now that's one of the possible ideas.


3. Adding stacking nerfs on capacitor and shield recharge time affecting modules.

It would surely hurt passive shield tankers to a degree (the recharge-based ones), but it would also hurt all other forms of active tanking and even remote support (because all other tanks rely on capacitor recharge a lot too).
It will however hugely boost the Capacitor Booster/Charge using ships in comparison (well, they'd be the same while all others went down in tanking ability).
It will and also hugely boost all hitponits-based tanks.

Personally, I would see most of my ships suffer a huge drop in effectiveness, but I really don't mind.
Combine this change with the previous NOS change and you have something interesting.

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Originally by: Darth Kenzie

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Originally by: Vandrion

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You all are looking at NOS all wrong. NOS is nothing more then another weapon, much like a 425mm rail without the 150+ km ranges.

Want stacking penalties for NOS?
Then I want stacking penalties for launchers and guns!

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the day i can fit missles or ammo that stops my foe from being able to tank my dmg or fire their own guns is the day i will advocate nos being treated like guns/missles.

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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Originally by: Darth Kenzie

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Originally by: Vandrion

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You all are looking at NOS all wrong. NOS is nothing more then another weapon, much like a 425mm rail without the 150+ km ranges.

Want stacking penalties for NOS?
Then I want stacking penalties for launchers and guns!

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the day i can fit missles or ammo that stops my foe from being able to tank my dmg or fire their own guns is the day i will advocate nos being treated like guns/missles.

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Nos stops you from fire/tank?

Projectiles and missiles do not use cap.
Passive tanks do not use cap.

If thats not enough and you really must rely on cap that much - fit injector, nos or capgenerating stuff if you really wanna be "nosproof"!

What is it with people? The counters are there - use them!

Then.. when you have your totally "nosproof" setup.. head out and meet something else you are not fitted for, like damping, die and immediately go create another 100pagethread about X being overpowered.

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Originally by: Darth Kenzie

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Right there are counters the problem is 1)injectors really only protect you from same sized nos and single nos against a nos domi for example most of your injected cap goes to feeding their tank not yours. 2) for some of us who like to fly amarr we doen't excatly have a lot of midslots, so other then dmg soak armor passive tanking is out and sometimes you can't fit a injector cause you need a web/scram/ab/mwd... a big issue on ships with 1-2 midslots and even the 3s. 3) I fly amarr i should be able to use the weapons my ships are built around... and i don't have missle slots and with no bounses projectiles are lackluster to say the least. 4) all my ships have nos.. i just think it is crap that the only viable amarr counter to nos is to out nos our oponents.

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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Funny... I do not share your opinion at all and guess what? I only fly amarr.

Nos is being used against you as a weapon, like every other turret, bay or ew.
There are very good counters to nos and you are simply saying that no, it¦s not enough because you want to fit X and Y also..and probably some Z and it won¦t fit if you have to use that counter? Come on...

Even if you had 8 midslots on your amarrship you would NOT be totally protected against dampening, trackingdisruption, jamming and nossing... alongside having a total tacklingsetup PLUS speed AND everything else you¦d probably want in order to be a cheerful little pilot. All cap- and electronic warfare have the potential to mess you up big time, just as intended, and personally I think it¦s perfectly ok.

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You mention nosdomi. What¦s the problem? Don¦t engage a nosdomi if you must rely on cap and don¦t have setup to ensure capfeed long enough to bring it down. There are amarr battleship-setups quite capable of ruining a nosdomi¦s day btw. Try thinking outside of your oh-so-tiny-box for a second plz.

Every ship has its ups and downs and suits better or worse for different tactics and situations. If a low amount of midslots bothers you and mess up your kind of gameplay it¦s alright to invest skillpoints in other ships.

One can not and sure as **** should not master every situation in every ship at all times! That kind of thinking sickens me and is the seed for all these "nerf blabla overpowered yadayada"-threads! Why is that?.. Is it ex-WoW players that found their way to EVE and just can¦t cope with the fact that in this game you actually have to use your brainmatter and that losses do hurt, a lot.

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If CCP were to listen to all this we would soon have a eve|wow-hybrid where, after a fight, you wake up in Jita with a fresh nice clone.. all your sp¦s intact. The ship you lost?.. Nono! It¦s not lost.. you see.. it survived and got towed to your station along with all your modules except one.. repaired and everything, free of charge ofc. Just hop in and get back to where you were five minutes ago. Would that be the EVE you are looking for perhaps?

*/me pukes in a corner*

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Originally by: NIkis

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Just cant wait to see new whine threads about being damped to 3 km target range, now that jamming is almost useless and pvpers will inevitably train for dampening :) People always whine instead of fitting counters, saves them thinking.

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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What is it with people? The counters are there - use them!

Then.. when you have your totally "w/ever-proof" setup.. head out and meet something else you are not fitted for, die and immediately go create another 100pg thread about X being overpowered.

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Originally by: Lirt

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Edited by: Lirt on 19/03/2007 21:52:32
Edited by: Lirt on 19/03/2007 21:51:01
Yeah nerf passive shield tank, ofc why not cause one(1) ship can get good shield recharge. But while you are at it can you explain me why shield gets 0% to em when armor gets 10% to explosive? Can you explain me why armor repairers are easier to fit than shield repairers? Can you explain me why armor plates are waaaaaaay better than shield extenders? If you mess with one thing you mess with others too, you cant just nerf something and be happy.
If a ship becomes overpowered with passive shield tank maybe nerf that ship, its shield recharge time for example.
Point is that there isnt such ship anyway cause even if you get good shield recharge you cant do anything else like scrambling, webbing etc. So:

PASSIVE SHIELD TANK IS FINE. LIVE WITH IT.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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That is an extra-ordinarily incomplete evaluation of the situation

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Originally by: magnus amadeus

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What other module can knock out a cruiser/frigate class ship in one cycle, guaranteed when in optimal?

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Your right.. no weapon should be able to hurt gank and tank and utility of any ship regardless of size, speed, and difference of skill and strategy.... oh wait NOS does this. Stop being stupid on purpose.

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The wow defense lol. This means two things.
#1 you do not have a leg to stand on, and since your retarded arguments hold absolutely no water its time to do personal attacks.

#2 you think you are somehow superior to others based upon MMO preference. Rabid fanboyism muddies any opinions you have, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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rabble rabble

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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Originally by: magnus amadeus

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Originally by: Hugoo Thraxxer

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One can not and sure as **** should not master every situation in every ship at all times!

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Your right.. no weapon should be able to hurt gank and tank and utility of any ship regardless of size, speed, and difference of skill and strategy.... oh wait NOS does this.

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That was not what I said.

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Originally by: magnus amadeus

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Edited by: magnus amadeus on 19/03/2007 22:27:41

Originally by: Goumindong

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That is an extra-ordinarily incomplete evaluation of the situation

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Thats an extra-ordinarily incomplete response, like this one :)

EDIT: BTW Goumindoug, I don't mean that as hostile. I enjoy your write-ups as most times they are very complete and not very biased, even though a blind man can see you prefer amarrian stuff like me.

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Originally by: Monticore D'Muertos

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Didn't read the whole post so excuse me if its been said.

Drones not losing lock when dampened or jammed is overpowered.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Most ships dont have mid slots to spare for ECCM unless they are jamming ships

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Originally by: Maeltstome

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Edited by: Maeltstome on 20/03/2007 04:01:04

Originally by: Goumindong

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Most ships dont have mid slots to spare for ECCM unless they are jamming ships

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Tempest

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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Originally by: Chewan Mesa

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at this thread.

"Guys, they fixed the speed imbalances, can someone point me to a new nerf I can ask for plz?"

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Originally by: s4mp3r0r

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"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".

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Originally by: madaluap

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-Dominix removal?

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Originally by: MikadoK

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So just use the "over-powered" dampners and he can't nos you...

Or jam him

Or get out of range

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Originally by: Chewan Mesa

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at this thread.

"Guys, they fixed the speed imbalances, can someone point me to a new nerf I can ask for plz?"

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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Originally by: Xequecal

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Recon cruisers with multiple sensor damps are pretty ridiculous. Think Pilgrim with 3x NOS and 3x T2 sensor damps, and two armor repairers in the lows. You can fly around until you find a solo ratting target. Orbit at 10km, web, scram, and turn on your damps. He can't lock **** and is helpless.

This is VERY difficult to counter. If he calls in friends, you can immediately recloak since you are not locked. If he has a sensor booster, with two armor repairers and 3x NOS you stand a good chance of draining his cap dry and deactivating it before he can kill you.

Basically, to kill a player doing this, you basically need to have either a sensor booster equipped AND friends who can come help you on very short notice, or have booster, 2+ Heavy NOS, web, and scram equipped to kill him.

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Originally by: Evil Carebear

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I think it's unfair that guns / launchers do different damage. We should normalize them, so everything does the same amount of damage. Do the same with tanking...so that shield and armor tanking is EXACTLY the same except that you need different slots.

Finally EVE will be fair

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Originally by: goodby4u

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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I dare you man...For one day fit our guns on your ship...See how you function and ill be happy to fit your guns to my ship

As for nos i fly amarr and the thing i have against it is if im in a small ship(inty af certain cruisers)my guns turnoff,i sit there and wait for my death...Im not saying frigates are suppose to kill bses but jeez dont give bses the insta win button.

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Originally by: bolo young

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Originally by: goodby4u

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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I dare you man...For one day fit our guns on your ship...See how you function and ill be happy to fit your guns to my ship

As for nos i fly amarr and the thing i have against it is if im in a small ship(inty af certain cruisers)my guns turnoff,i sit there and wait for my death...Im not saying frigates are suppose to kill bses but jeez dont give bses the insta win button.

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then dont get into a fight witha bs in a frig then brains

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Originally by: Fenderson

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Originally by: bolo young

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Originally by: goodby4u

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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I dare you man...For one day fit our guns on your ship...See how you function and ill be happy to fit your guns to my ship

As for nos i fly amarr and the thing i have against it is if im in a small ship(inty af certain cruisers)my guns turnoff,i sit there and wait for my death...Im not saying frigates are suppose to kill bses but jeez dont give bses the insta win button.

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then dont get into a fight witha bs in a frig then brains

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inties absolutely should be able to tackle battlships. thats their whole purpose. they should not be able to kill a BS without damage dealing support, but they need to be able to tackle a BS without always getting nossed out immediately.

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Originally by: bolo young

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Originally by: Fenderson

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Originally by: bolo young

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Originally by: goodby4u

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Originally by: MikadoK

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Has there been anyone besides amarr complain about NOS so far??

I think it's fine the way it is, can be countered easily as long as your willing to fit to counter it.

Maybe the prob isn't nos, but amarr.

Oh and stop looking to nerf everything!!!! Something will always kill you

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I dare you man...For one day fit our guns on your ship...See how you function and ill be happy to fit your guns to my ship

As for nos i fly amarr and the thing i have against it is if im in a small ship(inty af certain cruisers)my guns turnoff,i sit there and wait for my death...Im not saying frigates are suppose to kill bses but jeez dont give bses the insta win button.

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then dont get into a fight witha bs in a frig then brains

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inties absolutely should be able to tackle battlships. thats their whole purpose. they should not be able to kill a BS without damage dealing support, but they need to be able to tackle a BS without always getting nossed out immediately.

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i agree but if you have other bs's with you, you wont die will you

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Originally by: The Economist

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I don't think I've seen any calls for a dampener nerf since they had infinite range...

Since they haven't changed in a looong time...why the sudden rabbling about them?

What's catalysed this sudden spate of nerf demands? Boredom? Running out of things to complain about? Noticing them on market and thinking "hmmm, what do these do?"? Inability to see the counter?

Please enlighten me; as far as I can see they work the same as they always have done.

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Originally by: bolo young

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anyway taking (read nerf) a battleships only defence other than light drones for killing small ships is a bit harsh, if you choose to fly within its range and you are the only tackler then you have to accept the fact that you will loose the odd ship... same as if you do pvp at all

and if you insist on being in a intie jsut make sure your not the only one and that you dont get in range of the nos.. think that will solve the problem dont you think

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Originally by: Xequecal

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Recon cruisers with multiple sensor damps are pretty ridiculous. Think Pilgrim with 3x NOS and 3x T2 sensor damps, and two armor repairers in the lows. You can fly around until you find a solo ratting target. Orbit at 10km, web, scram, and turn on your damps. He can't lock **** and is helpless.

This is VERY difficult to counter. If he calls in friends, you can immediately recloak since you are not locked. If he has a sensor booster, with two armor repairers and 3x NOS you stand a good chance of draining his cap dry and deactivating it before he can kill you.

Basically, to kill a player doing this, you basically need to have either a sensor booster equipped AND friends who can come help you on very short notice, or have booster, 2+ Heavy NOS, web, and scram equipped to kill him.

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: NIkis

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About not having different damaage types.. lol, why not go play mario theres only one damage type there ?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: NIkis

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That goes to prove that no weapon system is perfect. If you think missiles are, train and give them a try Lets just nerf damps for now

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I was just saying that as a counterpoint to saying that missiles were worse than turrets. They arent. They are better in some situations, and worse in other situations.

As for damps.

They are very strong in one versus ones[or many vs 1] against larger ships that are unable to dictate their range against the damper or any other targets.

They can even be devastating with the proper application of high quality gang coordination and fitting.

But other than that, they are not as strong as people claim them to be.

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Originally by: Sieges

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I don't think anything is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. I hate nerf threads.

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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I'm not so sure. I mean, they also seriously increase your locking time. Between maneuvering to close, and the long time you spend locking, I've found the fight tends to be pretty much over at that point. And yes, frigates don't have this (as much, anyway, although they do still have to come very close indeed to be able to lock at that point) but cruiser sized up certainly does.

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Originally by: Majin82

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I think a simple fix to Nos is to make them stack nerf.
Extremely Stack Nerf
1st = 100%
2nd = 50%
3rd = 1%

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Originally by: murder one

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lmaaaoooo has made it into my sig.

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Originally by: DeadRow

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Minmatar.

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Originally by: Vandrion

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You all are looking at NOS all wrong. NOS is nothing more then another weapon, much like a 425mm rail without the 150+ km ranges.

Want stacking penalties for NOS?
Then I want stacking penalties for launchers and guns!

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Originally by: Sharupak

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Originally by: Vandrion

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You all are looking at NOS all wrong. NOS is nothing more then another weapon, much like a 425mm rail without the 150+ km ranges.

Want stacking penalties for NOS?
Then I want stacking penalties for launchers and guns!

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With the exception of that whole damage nonsense. LOL!

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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri

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After all this I think tier 3 bs will be nerfed for having overpowered tanks with repping bonuses (You can't kill a decently fitted one solo without nos

But good list

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Originally by: madaluap

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Edited by: madaluap on 17/03/2007 18:29:44
What should be anti-boosted in your opinion? Im having trouble finding something new to whine about. Thanks for your input.

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Originally by: me bored

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Edited by: me bored on 24/07/2007 13:53:08
nos, damps, speed tanks and ecm drones

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Originally by: Lore Isander

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Nos, ECM Drones and Damps.

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Originally by: Sebastien LaForge

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Vagabond.

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